Why would he need to drive out of state from Missouri to buy a gun?
Why would he need to drive out of state from Missouri to buy a gun?
He tried to buy a gun from an expo show but got denied, so he went with a private sale.
So... There is no gun show loophole?
There never was
I know, you are scaring away the fish...
Something: doesn't happen once
You: So it doesn't exist?????
The gun show loophole is literally about private sales. It's about shows where there are tons of private, unlicensed dealers in a row.
That's what this guy ended up doing. At the expo he probably went to an FFL who had to check and denied him.
So its not a gun show "loophole" then is it? Its about private sales, not gun shows.
Something: isn't named technically correct to cover all instances
You: Hmmm curious
What about the name being completely wrong and having nothing to do with gun shows at all?
Well, it certainly doesn't have nothing to do with gun shows.
Gun show loophole is a political term in the United States referring to the sale of firearms by private sellers, including those done at gun shows, that do not require the seller to conduct a federal background check of the buyer. This is also called the private sale exemption.
Do you usually prefer to do nothing at all before making claims on things you know nothing about?
Its a misnomer for political purposes of demonizing the gun community.
There are no special laws invoked or revoked at a gun show.
There is no correlation between gun show sales and gun crime.
There is no evidence that any significant number of gun related crimes can be traced back to private or FFL sales at gun shows.
The government wanted anyone who regularly sold guns to run checks on buyers.
They didn't want to make peer-to-peer sales unreasonably burdensome by holding them to the same standard.
People who wanted to be regular sellers of guns to those who failed a background check would conduct sales resembling private sales to get around background checks
The easiest place to congregate to do this without having to acknowledge what's going on is at a gun show.
It's not a misnomer. Maybe it's catchy, so it caught on more than "abuse of the private sale exemption" but it wasn't a misnomer. The name is also geared towards the solution pushed: require an FFL to conduct checks at gun shows. No one wanted to get rid of the private sale exemption. They just wanted to get rid of the abuse of it that was rife at gun shows
All of this is wrong.
Any FFL dealer always had to conduct the NICS check and fill out a form 4473, whether at a gun show or not; there was never any exemption.
If you are a regular seller, you need an FFL. If you sell at a profit, you need an FFL.
There is no such thing as a "sale that resembles a private sale" to somebody who already failed a background check. Its either a private sale or its not; and that has nothing to do with where it happens.
It should have read "unlicensed seller" not dealer. And what is an unlicensed dealer but a private seller. With that change, it is correct.
To address your last point, that's literally what the loophole is. Someone operating functionally as a dealer, but without registering and using gun shows and unrecorded transactions to turn their dealing into 'private sales.' That is the practice the gun show loophole advocates want to stop
And it doesn't exist.
Ever been to a gun show? Same people, week after week. Same cops too; same ATF guys.
And you're telling me they are watching some guy come in pretending to be selling off his private collection as a front for an illegal gun operation, and doing so in the most public, most law enforcement monitored way possible?
Stop. Think.
So you're saying the loophole does exist but that federal action has stopped it? Lmao cool
Why keep the legal loophole open, though? Why not require that gun sales at gun shows go through an FFL-licensed dealer?
No, I'm saying there is no such thing as a "gun show loophole.". There is and never has been any special laws pertaining to sales specifically at gun shows, and that the bugaboo of "gun show sales" somehow being a significant source of guns used in crimes is a false narrative.
You just don't like how it's named. The actual loophole that the phrase "gun show loophole" describes is real. The phrase "gun show loophole" is a misnomer today because people use it to generally refer to a lack of background checks in private sales. However, when it was created, it was not a misnomer because the people promoting the policy only wanted their solution to apply to gun shows; they did not view unchecked private sales as an issue writ large. The law was good when used 'as intended' and bad when used otherwise because of a drafting oversight. Ergo, a loophole. They were probably factually misguided, but that has never stopped politicians.
To recap:
If you had like five seconds to consider the nuance, it wouldn't be so hard.
Sure, its a misnomer, its factually misguided, and it has no particular meaning whether its a gun show or not- but nuance.
Next, tell me about the threat of "ghost guns."
Still gun related crimes trace back to... Guns. So inherently it will demonize the "gun community".
It's about shows where there are tons of private, unlicensed dealers in a row.
Got any examples of that? I think you are talking out of your ass...
Did you even click on the link?
The January 1999 report said that more than 4,000 gun shows are held in the U.S. annually. Also, between 50 and 75 percent of gun show vendors hold a Federal Firearms License, and the "majority of vendors who attend shows sell firearms, associated accessories, and other paraphernalia."â The report concluded that although most sellers at gun shows are upstanding people, a few corrupt sellers could move a large quantity of firearms into high-risk hands.
citing U.S. Department of the Treasury; U.S. Department of Justice (January 1999). "Gun Shows: Brady Checks and Crime Gun Traces" (PDF). atf.gov. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). Retrieved June 27, 2014.
So in 1999, when this phrase got big, one-quarter to half of sellers at gun shows were unlicensed. I didn't say that meant they were breaking the law. However, the vast majority of private sales do not take place at gun shows, even criminal ones.
I am not a fanboy of the phrase "gun show loophole." I just think you responded to it in a bit of a silly way. It makes sense. It exists. It's name isn't great because it gives you a very unnuanced idea of what it is.
So, it's not the way to easily buy a gun...
It's not like gun shows aren't allowed to do background checks if they want to. They just don't have to. Which is the "loophole"
They just don't have to.
Really? Under what circumstances? Got a source for that loophole?
Gun show loophole is a political term in the United States referring to the sale of firearms by private sellers, including those done at gun shows, that do not require the seller to conduct a federal background check of the buyer. This is also called the private sale exemption.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/whom-may-unlicensed-person-transfer-firearms-under-gca
This isn't exactly uncommon knowledge. Any unlicensed, private seller is under no obligation to perform a background check for any firearm transfer (unless you're shipping the firearm across state lines). Only licensed firearms sellers are required to do background checks.
Funny how you think that is a loop hole, it's meant for collector guns and for people transferring ownership to an other person. It's not a way to easily buy a gun as you seem to believe.
I've personally bought guns at a gun show before. They weren't collector's items, and I did not have any relationship with the sellers I was buying from. No background checks.
Now I've also bought guns from actual gun shops, where I was subjected to (and passed) a background check. But I could have been a convicted murderer and the vendors at the gun show would never have known.
I've personally bought guns at a gun show before.
Without a background check and/ or other rules/ restrictions?
Yes. Walk up, exchange cash, walk away. Perfectly legal.
I seriously doubt that.
Bro I don't know what to tell you. The law says private vendors don't have to check anything. My personal experience, and the personal experiences of thousands of Americans, says private vendors don't have to check anything.
If you don't want to believe that private vendors don't have to check anything, then go ahead, but you'll be wrong.
It's not what i read here, so i am really confused.
https://www.atf.gov/file/56651/download
Non-licensed residents within the state:
May acquire from and dispose of personal firearms to non-licensed residents of the State. However, non-licensed individuals may not be engaged in the business of dealing in firearms without a Federal firearms license.
Translating from legal speak, this says residents without FFL licenses can sell and buy weapons to/from each other without any restriction. Though if they are "engaged in the business of dealing in firearms" they need to have an FFL. That just means if I'm at the gun show selling $100,000 worth of guns, I'd better have an FFL. Like if it's a commercial quantity.
Hopefully that clears it up
But if you are a non licensed seller at a gun show you can still sell guns without background checks. I've also bought guns at gun shows. The licensed dealers have to do background checks. The unlicensed ones don't. What's so hard to understand about that?
According to the ATF "NON-LICENSED residents within the state:
May AQUIRE from and DISPOSE OF personal firearms to NON-LICENSED residents of the State. However, non-licensed individuals may not be engaged in the business of dealing in firearms without a Federal firearms license." https://www.atf.gov/file/56651/download
And you can't see how nefarious actors can sell guns to other nefarious actors, at gun shows or anywhere else? I could call myself a collector and buy 20 guns from 20 different people locally, then turn around and sell them at a gun show to non-licensed buyers without a background check.
So, there are restrictions. Thank you.
Not for individuals... What's so hard to understand about this? Businesses have to do background checks, private sellers do not. It's that simple.
There is no paper work involved at all?
For person-to-person sales (at a gun show or at any other time), no. None whatsoever.
Paperwork only gets involved when you buy from an actual gun store.
That's very strange and i still think there is more to it as you say.
Oh so all the gun control we have already didnât work anyways and he still found a way to acquire a gun. Wonderful
So... we need more gun control to prevent things like this?
I know that's not what you're saying. I just don't think your argument makes sense. People pushing for more gun control obviously know things like this happen and that's why they want more.
I guess the only answer to that is... no guns, and until we can get to that place, control the ones we have.
Could be age. Some states you have to be 21 to purchase firearms.
It's fucking Missouri
Ya in State likes Texas certain firearms were restricted from purchase by those under age 21. i don't know Missouri's laws. But Iowa is also close and firearms are rather easy to get there.
Well if he had any prior felonies it probabky helped
>I don't understand anything about gun laws
weird flex but okay
Lol this sub in a nutshell.
Exactly. If this was true, he traveled from a gun-loving red state to the closest neighboring state, which is Illinois, where gun laws are stricter to buy a gun? Nah.
Missouri has very lax firearm laws. We donât even require a waiting period.
I think you meant to say some of the best laws. Missouri even has free to use outdoor shooting ranges maintained by the Department of Conservation.
Also, shooter was neutralized just ten minutes after cops appeared on the scene.
SLPD did what Uvalde couldnât do-execute in spite of fear.
But i thought waiting an hour to keep parents from entering and then just milling about was standard police procedure
Haha silly itâs only a standard police procedure if youâre white, cmon I thought youâd know betterđ
The uvalde shooter was Latino.
Latino isn't a color. He was closer to white than he was brown.
The mfâs family name is âRamosâ keep trying tho. Weirdos like you love makin it bout da skin color like itâs a new age white mans dream to shoot up anyone or anything that isnât white. Fucking get real, thereâs bad in all cultures of the world, not just youâre devious âwhite cultureâ you have made up in your silly little head.
Correct man. I'm not a police officer though. I see what the cops are doing. My comment is very anti-cop but I can see how someone would go off on me without the context.
We know the guy's name is Ramos after the fact right? There's a chance police didn't know his name and were going off eyesight and if that was 15th case judging by Ramos' social media photos he looked pasty white in some of them. So with that in mind my comment of
He was closer to white than he was brown.
Would make more sense when looking at the "active shooter" response. Given the police may not have had ALL suspect's details 11 minutes into the shooting. So they show up and see a white kid.
I mean look at how police target black people driving, or a black witness seeing a crime and calling the police only for the police to show up and beat/shoot the black witness.
This isn't my "white man's dream" to see people of color (any color) get shot/beat by police. My original comment was about how police would see the man and think "white". I never mentioned the man's name or background only his skin tone.
Police are judging strictly on what they see on the outside are they not? A black man driving through a neighborhood mainly consisting of white residents MAY have a tougher time navigating through the neighborhood in comparison to a white man driving through that same neighborhood.
Maybe I should have elaborated but I see the bullshit over and over again and it's not the rich white males getting beat/injured/shot by police now is it?
Iâm very late I always forget I sometimes comment on here. I agree with you, there are too many cops, well people really, out there that see âdelinquentâ in anyone that is even a slight shade above their own skin color. I understand your point now, cops killed the black man efficiently while allowing a kid that resembles white more time to do that fucked up shit. Iâd say itâs way more deep than that tho, that def could be one of the reasons. Others could be lack of preparation in Uvalde, lack of understanding the situation, lack of training, hostages, whatever you have it. You just pointed out one of the possible reasonings when there are plenty to choose from. Hell it might all be the reason put together, but all we can do is sit here and assume our own narrative
Thatâs only if youâre paid off by the demsđ
That shooting happened in Texas ffs.
Sadly this is probably irrelevant. The conspiracy theory is that the democrats paid off the school boards chief of police after they won him the election (remember these people still think elections are being stolen unless they win) to allow the shooter to do his business and make guns look bad.
I don't think Occam's razor is even within the realm of comprehension at this point.
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Since we opened for personal attacks and looking at your post history....... Holy shit I just feel sorry for you. Get help lol.
Yeah don't take anything seriously from someone addicted to heroin.
Beto almost beat Cruz and they want him to beat Abbot
It was closer to 8
10 minutes is still way too long
It's better than Uvalde for sure.
It would be hard for it to be worse.
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Yeah thereâs no way it could be negligence and police not doing their job because that never happens.
I WANT HIS HOUSE, I WANT HIS CAR, I WANT HIS SAVINGS, I WANT HIS CHILDREN
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man i hate our government for fucking us so bad brođĽş
It is sad you guys are citizens of "the richest country" and still the wealth inequality is huge. I am an Indian citizen and most people from India thinks USA is heaven and you are set for your life the moment you set foot in America.
Maybe we get to see only the success stories of doctors and IT professionals.
Indian Americans are some of the hardest working folks and make some of the best food. I love Indian folks, some of the most patriotic as well.
Set for life is def a stretch, but this is generally a good place to be with lots of opportunity if you have the drive to capitalize on it. Maybe I'm an anomaly but I've been able to get a house, get married, and have kids while working as a noble electrician. Things aren't as good as they once were for sure also, im not smart enough to know what went wrong but millennial are the first generation in the US that are worse off than their parents
As a millennial myself this hits hard. I hope it is not all downhill from our time,especially due to the challenges we will face due to global climate change.
I am genuinely happy your are living a comfortable life. Whatever be the profession,the quality of your work and how genuine you are with others surely plays an important role in your success.
Well if u earned a pretty average salary in the states (say 50k a year) u wld be in a rather well off position in India. Problem is in the states that same salary wld put u minimally above the poverty line with the cost of living, healthcare, groceries, gas, and then if u add children into the equation with school and daycare (and 2 extra mouths to feed) and u are living in poverty. For sum places u rent and all homeowners aswell add in wifi, water/trash, and electric and that 50k is leaving u with maybe a $100-200 a month extra to either save or deal with any unexpected expenses. Its y u here of so many families for bankrupt with a large medical expense or ppl in tough situations when their car breaks down, need to fix the water heater e.t.c. The money a lot of Americans make is just enough to get by while u have a class of 15-20% who are truly comfortable and then another higher class or 1-5% who are actually rich and make enough for 10 families and live in extravagance. Finally there is the 0.1% the true billionaires who make more money than all the others combined yet pay minimal taxes, get govt cutbacks and tax breaks, exert control over the workforce and policy for their own interests while the politicians schmooze up to to them to get a little bit of that wealth and essentially have the freedom and power to do whatever they want. If they want to these ppl cld get away with murder (and sum certainly have).
An expression used is we are all on a boat that's sinking and were fighting over the little scraps we can get while they are sitting comfortable on a luxury liner watching it sink and taking what they please for those who drown who jump overboard. That's the current USA ppl are living in, but were still too caught up fighting over those scraps.
I'll gladly suck the grease out of your pizza boxes, that's a common wasted source of calories
You donât eat the pizza boxesâŚ?
If I eat too much fiber my constipation-gains will fall right out I can't afford to shit
It might be easier to cook soup on those pizza boxes. OTOH with the energy costs right now..I don't know.
So do work son.
Was that not the school with multible armed security guards, secure locked doors were an off duty policemen came first?
Possibly. Reality is more police in STL don't mess around and are used to shootings. There was another shooting going on, completely unrelated, about a mile north. There were probably some more going on too. In Uvalde this may have been their first ever.
Too far!! Sue this guy!
Because Uvalde was meant to happen that way
Watch out dude you're about to get fined 100 trillion dollars
And receive many downdoots, killing your karma
As long as I don't get 12k downdoots I'm all good. My original reason for karma was to be able to handle when I get tied up in the wrong echo chamber lol
I've found a couple of those, very one sided politics. I've since left them.
Nooo my life savings of karma!!
Posting on this sub for karma sure is popular lately
I dint even know how karma works on here. Can someone explain what itâs purpose is
I'm not sure if it helps with more things but the main reason to have karma is that you can't post to certain subs without meeting a certain karma requirement (I think). It's all a little foggy but I'm pretty sure that's about it.
There are accounts that do nothing but karma farm all day posting dumb bullshit over and over multiple times a day, not sure what the karma is good for for them but they're doing it for a reason I suppose.
Lots of black mirror type shit on reddit, pretty convinced I've legit been fighting with bots on multiple occasions.
Only reason I started caring about karma is, for instance, a meme sub I like require a certain level in order to post memes. I make memes so wanted to post there because of its reach.
Iâm too old to explain it đ¤Ł
Fine with me, imagine all the shit the US would be able to buy with all of Darkcel_grind's money. Send another 10 trillion to Ukraine to give them a better chance to win the war.
Remember the army helicopter that landed in uvalde around the same time?
What was the purpose?
Im not a CIA agent i cant tell you what their end goal is
So, just wild speculation?
My guess if anyone is to pay school shotters and police off definitely the NRA. They make all time profits after a bunch of kids get murdered bet they jizz themselves at the thought./s kinda
The Russian sponsored NRA?
By about 10 miles
considering they let the shooting continue ~
Not if you know the STLPD. Thatâs pretty damn good time.
The police station is less than a mile away
Probably got there so quick as they heard there was a black guy with a gun. Didnât sign up to save kids lives though⌠At least it worked out on this one.
10 minutes is actually crazy fast for this sort of thing. E.g. Columbine and Virginia Tech took hours
St. Louis has shootings everyday. Responding to crap like this is a reflex to these cops. So while it was fast compared to other cities. Itâs just a normal day in St. Louis.
Why I moved to the burbs. I was tired of the gunfire at night
Depends on the circumstances. If you have an active shooter running around a good sized campus it can take time just to locate him and if he's wearing body armor you have to accurately place shots or overwhelm with a volume of fire-- but he gets to shoot back. See the famous North Hollywood bank heist shootout for how even when cops are on scene and aggressive it won't necessarily end in mere moments. If you have a cowardly Uvalde response, man, yeah, that went on way too long.
Unlike video games, body armor doesn't make you invulnerable. Even with armor, if you get shot once or twice, you're most likely not standing anymore. You might be alive, but you'll be in pain.
The Hollywood shooting was a tremendous exception as they had actually constructed full body ARMOR for themselves. This is not the norm.
If you have the appropriate response, you should have a fire team clearing the building and on target as soon as the shooter is located.
Yes, kevlar and armor prevents a bullet penetrating, but you still get hit by the force! Broken ribs, bones, organ bruising, internal artery damage etc.
Anything bigger than 9mm will go right through. If they are using AP 9mm it will go through Kevlar first shot.
556/223 ammo will basically ignore Kevlar, and will pen most plate armor on the first shot, unless itâs from a couple hundred yards away and the bullet has time to lose energy.
Movies/video games have given most people a very wrong idea of how effective âbulletproofâ armor really is.
Large rifle caliber is still very hard to stop at ranges inside of 100 meters.
It's also good to note that plate body armour, even the best, will fracture after several shots. It's intended to do that, but it causes it to wear down quickly.
Agreed, additionally any shot to the limb will become extremely debilitating as you try to shoot and move
On top of that if I remember, they also took muscle relaxants so they weren't feeling the impact as much
Would also take considerably longer in victim disarmament zones.
Remember how people were talking about defunding the police for awhile? One of my first thoughts after hearing about Uvalde was maybe these cops avoided going into that school because they wanted to show the world what it would be like if they didn't get what they wanted.
Risking your life is no joke. Letting children die to make a point even less jokey.
For sure, 1 minute would have been too long. But at least the police did their job. Kudos to them.
Maybe, but thereâs value in the police at least being somewhat organized and having an idea of what they are dealing with before they charge in. Cops generally canât shoot for shit and the last thing you want is one of them going in and mag dumping wildly and killing more kids in the process.
Standing around holding their dicks like they did in Uvalde is the other extreme which is just as bad, probably worse.
Really? It takes 10 mins to do/get anywhere fuck off
Agreed 10 minutes is too long, but its a reasonable amount of time to get you and the boys together, get your gear on, come up with a plan and execute. They weren't sitting around lollygagging
We only want to hear about corrupt or incompetent cops damn it!!!
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Whatâs even more odd, the accounts from students who said he let them go and they donât know why âŚ
Edit: found it!
On the news they said his gun jammed at one point.
Can you share where you read this? Could be an interesting read for the rest of us too
Right after it happened I saw it yesterday on the NBC news live streaming channel on my Roku tv. A girl and her friend were being interviewed right after and the friend said that he came up to her and said âyou wanna die today?â But didnât shoot her and kept on going. She then said âI donât know why he let me liveâ. The news reporter there said they didnât know if he was shooting random ppl or if it was specifically to kill the 2 ppl that were killed (the girl (a student) and the older lady (a teacher maybe).
I am looking for the article as it came out immediately in St. Louis local news after the shooting and I donât know if this was the exact article but the editors note at the bottom gave me pause.
So if they interviewed a person who said they witnessed it, and later learned they didnt witness it, wouldnt you want them to clear it up with a statement like that?
and later learned they didnt witness it,
That's not what the editors note says.
Witness testimony is notoriously exaggerated or completely false
Can't prove it they didn't see it. So they shouldn't say they didn't see it.
What!?
That description was inaccurate according to police information and has been removed.
1 of 2 things happened:
Interpret it how you like, that's why "news" is written the way it is.
Wait so where does it say anything about "accounts from students who said he let them go and they don't know why"?
Can you quote the exact language?
Or are you saying that CNN removed it, as noted in the editors note that they took out that eyewitness report?
Passage in question; still there for me:
Students took refuge beneath her desk and behind her podium as the shooter tried to enter the locked classroom before giving up and going away.
"I don't know why he chose not to break my windows or shoot through the lock," she said.
Raymond Parks was about to teach a dance class for juniors when a man dressed in black approached. At first, Parks thought the man was carrying a broom or a stick. Then he realized it was a gun.
"The kids started screaming and running and scrambling. He walked directly into the two doors and pointed the gun over at me because I was in the front," Parks said.
For some unknown reason, Parks said, the shooter pointed the gun away from him and let Parks and the dozen or so students leave the room. "That's what I don't understand. He let me go," Parks said.
Emphasis mine.
Thank you, but this wasn't posted until after the discussion resolution. My ask is people post sources before we get into this..
Thank you. To avoid this nonsense next time, please post that article, alongside the quote:
"For some unknown reason, Parks said, the shooter pointed the gun away from him and let Parks and the dozen or so students leave the room. "That's what I don't understand. He let me go," Parks said."
Let's start being better about sources, especially when it comes to sensitive and recent issues like this, alright?
Iâm saying we arenât getting the whole story.
I'm asking where you read the information in the claim you made in the original comment? Since it is highly upvoted, people ought to hear from you, where did you read that?
He quoted and hyperlinked the editor's note that tells you the previous version of the story had an inaccurate eyewitness account. Logically, the inaccurate story that the editor is talking about was the one that the commenter mentioned about him letting people go.
I was watching Louis CKs most recent appearance on JRE and they made a good point of how immediately after a tragedy is the worst time to ever ask anyone what happened. When all that adrenaline shoots up, your brain stops recording and retaining information in the same way and a lot of people end up with fragmented and fabricated memories.
Just saying. Not that all eye witness reports are wrong but, outside of something shady going on which I almost always assume, it would explain how you might get varying different stories shoving a camera in someone's face right after they just saw people murdered
Ok so is the original commenter suggesting that:
I'm just really lost but I hope those 3 options cover the possible extent of thought processes
I would say number 2. Keep in mind, the original commenter said they weren't certain whether that article is the one they remember reading.
If you really care, check something like waybackmachine or a different archive service to see old copies of the page.
They finally found the article
There's also a teacher that said he was standing right in front of him but fired around him when he could have shot right at him.
I heard the same thing on the radio on my drive home just now. They said something about the shooter walking into a dance or gymnastics class, then he let everyone present go.
No, I didnât record the relevant audio. It was part of one of the five minute news blurbs between shows.
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Yes, I saw the link. I read the article. I did not find the language that matches what the comment wrote.
In fact, the title kind of contradicts it. "all y'all are going to ...' is different than 'letting some of us go'?
And in the article:
"Student Keyshawn Brooks said the shooter forced his way into his classroom.
âThey had shot our classroom door down and a man opened the door and he was like, âYâall are going to..."
If I somehow missed the paragraph that matches the original comment, I will happily retract my comment thread..
Did these students have something in common? Something easily visible, for example. Maybe they shared some physical characteristic that the shooter considered "superior"?
You're most likely not. I know kids that go to this school and the accounts seem off. Some kids say it was 2 or 3 shooters the police say one. The kids that seen 2 said 1 white one black. One of the white ones could've been an off duty cop tho. There's a church less than a block away and happenstance they were at a fellow officers funeral. So every cop that sucks around here actually happened to be at the right place at the right time. Also I think the teacher was a target. She was not a "tactful" teacher I'd say. This is an art school with any sensitive kids and she didn't exactly teach them the right way for this generation. She came from brash catholic schools around here that I've went to and they aren't tactful either and can leave some emotional scars for sure.
Raymond Parks was about to teach a dance class for juniors when a man dressed in black approached. At first, Parks thought the man was carrying a broom or a stick. Then he realized it was a gun.
"The kids started screaming and running and scrambling. He walked directly into the two doors and pointed the gun over at me because I was in the front," Parks said.
For some unknown reason, Parks said, the shooter pointed the gun away from him and let Parks and the dozen or so students leave the room. "That's what I don't understand. He let me go," Parks said
We get it. This thread has been resolved. The commenter found the article that was asked of them originally! yay
Not archived either on archive.is or web.archive. Damn
I saw a local news channel interview 2 girls and one said the shooter asked her âDo you wanna die today?â but didnât shoot her and moved on.
Sounds like the dude was just fucked up
Yea no shit.. he shot people.
One interviewed said the shooters gun jammed when they made eye contact
I read that too - terrifying. We need all these accounts to understand how we can make things better not worse and when things are hidden or rewritten, it does appear there is a problem with the narrative, and we spiral into another one.
"Every day that the Senate fails to send an assault weapons ban to the president's desk or waits to take another other common sense actions, is a day too late for families and communities impacted by gun violence," Jean-Pierre said.
Of course this vile fucking cunt couldn't resist politicizing a tragedy to push for taking away even more of our liberties.
"Every day that the Senate fails to send an assault weapons ban to the president's desk or waits to take another other common sense actions, is a day too late for families and communities impacted by gun violence," Jean-Pierre said.
Of course this vile fucking cunt couldn't resist politicizing a tragedy to push for taking away even more of our liberties.
I mean it's a political topic. She didn't politicize mass shootings, that was done a long time ago.
Is everything in life now a political topic?
Would you vote against guns if this happened to your child? I sure as shit wouldn't
God forbid, I'd be voting harder than ever for arming as many humans as possible.
Wait a minute, the guys name in the article is Peinovich. Now they're just mocking us
Why
accounts from students who said he let them go and they donât know why
Are there pictures of these students? I love noticing trends.
are those fleeing at the start of the video the ones he let go?
"Police on Monday evening identified the shooter as 19-year-old Orlando Harris, who graduated from the school last year. "
Maybe he didnt hate them. It isn't like he didnt know anyone there
Anyone know the story behind choosing to announce "Miles Davis has entered the building" to let the school know there's an intruder?
What drugs are you on? The 3rd line in the article says "Harris died at a hospital after a gun battle with officers". And there's nothing mentioniong that he "let them go".
You arent even good at lying
The quote from Parks.
âFor some unknown reason, Parks said, the shooter pointed the gun away from him and let Parks and the dozen or so students leave the room. "That's what I don't understand. He let me go," Parks said.â
Iâm not going to try to be rude because you refuse to be fair.
How many retired FBI agents was he chatting with?
The FBI knows that the media doesn't give a shit about black on black shootings.
possible they thought he was white I guess
Depends on your narrative.
Even more interesting...if you type in st louis school shooter...see how many thumbnails in the image gallery show the actual shooter. Then do the same thing for any white shooter. It will all be his image.
Even on brave there is nothing, and I added the word suspect.
Numerous eyewitnesses claimed the shooter was a white male btw. I saved the interview in case it gets memoryholed.
Can you share it here?
https://tempclip.com/en/pjoNzW2tkWrqFaJ/watch
Only place that I could find to upload clips temporarily.
Every original footage has been mostly been scrubbed. The girl in the clip is one of those that I cannot find again online.
Now why on earth did this girl say he was white if he came into the classroom and everything?
What benefit does she have for lying?
No clue, I thought it was bizarre hearing witnesses say one thing hours after then having national news say a different story that evening.
Its probably more likely that the media was claiming it was a White shooter with their pre-written scripted articles.
No, the witnesses themselves were interviewed within hours of the shooting all stating the guy was white.
You mean actors?
Possibly or rubbernecking people nearby claiming they were involved. Thing is everybody interviewed yesterday all had the same story, more or less.
Here's one clip I saved that the orginal since has been scrubbed to my knowledge.
https://tempclip.com/en/pjoNzW2tkWrqFaJ/watch
Kids make shit up. There was a false alarm at the local highschool some years ago. A ring tone sounded like a gun cocking and a kid called 911. Not totally unreasonable. Then the school was locked down and raided looking for a shooter. Multiple kids sent their parents texts that they heard gunshots and screaming. Some claimed to see blood down hallways. There were rumors of body counts on the FB page. They rolled a fucking tank onto the schools front yard.
No shooter. No injuries. Just a kid in a bathroom who got a text message who had an edgy ringtone which was overheard by another kid who panicked.
Actors? You trying to get sued for a trillion dollars?
Alex and Kanye shouldnât get all of the attention!
Actors would have a script and not make a mistake like this right?
Do you think or believe that Orlando Harris, who is Black, was the actual shooter?
Or that there was more than 1 ?
No clue what the actual truth is considering all eyewitnesses that day claiming to see a white guy have been scrubbed from online. Not to mention the FBI showing up the same day even though it wasn't considered an act of domestic terrorism just makes it even more sus.
Victims of a mass shooting have a microphone shoved in their face by the media within hours of what happened? This doesnât sound right
They said witnesses not victims, and this happens in literally any mass shooting lol
Hi, are you new? This happens everywhere at every shooting
https://tempclip.com/en/pjoNzW2tkWrqFaJ/watch
The female interviewed here mentions him being white.
I didnt say she wasnât interviewed
Im questioning if it is right to do. How do you take someone who just had a traumatic experience and you shove a microphone and camera on their face and ask them what happened?
I'm not arguing whether it's right or wrong, merely stating order of events. Shortly after those interviews the news stations received a sort of "gag" order until many hours later.
Coincidentally no further eye witness interviews from last evening include any description of the shooter. Super convenient.
Shooters name.was Orlando Harris
Or perhaps this just happened and google hasn't crawled all of the websites yet.
Also you'll get different results if you google a shooters name vs the shooting.
So what exactly is the implication here?
Heâs implying they always show the shooter when itâs a white guy, and never show their picture when itâs a black guy. Incredibly easy to debunk this theory since this guyâs picture has been posted, and googling any other shooting doesnât immediately yield a picture of a white guy the way this guy suggests it does.
Pretty easy to conclude everyone agreeing with OP is a white guy, probably racist, who thinks the world is out to get them.
Google st louis school shooter
first photo of the st louis shooter to show up is from nypost
first photo of the uvalde shooter to show up is from abcnews
the search for st louis doesn't even have any picture of the shooter from abcnews so I find it hard to believe they ever posted it online, as opposed to the nypost that shows pictures for both shooters.
Well I live here in St. Louis and Iâm just glad the police reacted quickly or more lives would have been lost.
Itâs on CNN
Yeah I heard it on NPR yesterday almost immediately after it happened.
OP: mSm iS hiDDiNg iT, bEcAusE hE iS bLaaaaacccKkk!!!!
Meanwhile it is everywhere on the news and on reddit.
Really? I read about it on foxnews, cnn, bbc and dailymail which was front page headlines.
âUnless you glanced at the news between noon and 1pm yesterday, you never heard a peep about it.â
Thatâs not true at all lmao, itâs all over the news.
First I heard of it đ¤ˇââď¸
Well with that information I guess itâs suddenly not all over the news then?
Bullshit he didn't say anything about being famous, he said he had no friends or family why exactly are you lying, what is your agenda?
Just saw this on abc news, not one photo of the killer shown.
They really should hand out PHDs in goalpost moving around here
I thought the same thing - and heâs an adult. They ALWAYS show the shooter. Really weird.
Actually the general advice is to not air the name and images of mass shooters, as the numbers backing it up shows that this leads to a higher likelihood of someone else committing the same crime for the recognition. A lot of news sites generally ignore this advice however because they know their audience unfortunately.
It is generally advised of any details of these types of shootings are released to only detail victims
I agree 100% - however, itâs not their general practice. After any of the recent shootings there were pictures immediately of the shooters. In this case, nothing. Very strange. But I agree, that would be the best approach.
St. Louis native and my relative is the principal. There a more than a handful of students who claim there were 3 Active shooters besides Orlando. Shit is getting strange
There was an active shooter at the community college on Oakland like a mile north. It was briefly mentioned, employees there know, but there is no info about it.
In Stl?
Yep
Why isnât it any coverage on this? I think youâre talking about St. Louis community college right ?
*forest park
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Facts, now were cooking
Aaaaaand you owe me a trillion dollars
Nice
Basically the students are more than certain he had accomplices . A white heavy set guy and possibly another former student. Having said that, the SLMP and fbi confirmed he was a lone wolf.
Well if the fbi confirmed it then it's time to sue those nutty students for spreading their gross conspiracy theories.
My husbands bf lives near and said the same. I have a friend in Ofallon who also said similar. So wtf is actually happening.
I've heard that too and from what I've gathered is that a couple girls seen two swat police officers in the building and thought they were more shooters. They also were telling everybody that it was a white man (the cops were white) that was shooting. I can only imagine whats going on in those poor children's minds at the times
Things that don't sit right with me
It's always the same story. 19 year old, done with school, but comes back because he has a grudge he can't just get over.
Conveniently leaves a "manifesto" in his car like all the others. Notice they never just say "suicide note." Also in the same manifesto, uses that "mass shooting" term the media loves so much.
NY Post posted pictures of the gun (which is always an AR. Always the one they wanna ban. Never an AK, a draco, a bullpup, or literally any other semi auto rifle. It's always that pesky AR.) NO handguard. His hand must've gotten really hot.
Well, it isnât really a suicide note, so they used the right term for this situation.
It is most shooters just donât know it yet.
A manifesto and suicide note are completely different things that are not exchangeable terms. They're not calling it a note because it's not that, not because they're trying to demonize mass murderers, which also doesn't make sense with this idea that black mass shooters are hidden up by the media.
Either it's real and the media isn't covering it because the shooter was black or it's all made up. Pick a lane y'all.
Manifesto sounds like Mephisto, which is super duper evil sounding.
"The communist manifesto"
The most evil comfortable walking shoes.
What manifesto did the ulvade shooter leave in his car?
Here's a better question. Where did an 18 year old with no job get an $1800 rifle, a $600 optic, and another $700 rifle?
He had a job at Wendyâs
Behind the counter or out back as a result of negative crypto investments?
Tally up all his rifles, hand guns, optics, body armor, magazines, and the amount of ammunition he had about 8 or 9k worth the stuff.
He hadnt had that job for months before the shooting. Itâs possible he saved the money, but unlikely.
Credit and a job
Thatâs actually a worse question. Why canât you answer the one I asked?
To answer your deflectionâŚThatâs 8 weeks working 40 hours a week at minimum wage. A decade ago I worked construction one summer as an 18 year old and made triple that.
SoâŚless than a summer of working literally any job.
looks like he said how did a kid with no job afford thousands of dollars of gear? and you said you earned triple that in a summer. whatâs your point?
He refused to answer a simple question and deflected with âhow does a 19 year old save up 2400or soâ and I explained that is literally less than the wages from a summer job at minimum wage and much less than a construction job.
cool but he also said he had no job so how did he save up that money? selling drugs? or even where did the gear coke from? irresponsible gun owners?
You can ask him, I am not his accountant. If he had ever worked 8 weeks in his life, thatâs enough for the money.
Or gasp, he used a credit card and never had the money
cool told me everything i already knew besides the wendyâs deal
Ok. So you ask questions that you already know the answers to and then get moody towards people that offer answers? Well if that what helps you feel intelligent, by all means, continue.
already knew that jerk off
iâm just fuckin with you i put the question marks behind it because i donât want to stereotype anyone but that was my suspicion. glad someone else thought the same thing
Drugs and stealing shit are quite profitable. I wouldnât assume he was a hard working minimum wage kiddo.
Why?
On your point 3, ppl are unoriginal, like you said many are 19, or close i observation. So they arent master collectors. Our country also has a huge saturation of communications majors, because many young ppl are unoriginal. Could also be a cost thing. That weapon is in the news a lot and in high demand from similar creations by multiple manufacturers. So it may not be a shoddy conspiracy, as much as lazy news reporting, ignorant teens crazy enough to do this but not selective to care about the differences of other weapons.
Almost like it's incredibly easy to get an AR-15, which is why it's the preferred weapon for all these copycat killers.
It's almost like you know next to nothing about firearms and it's obvious from a single sentence.
Other weapons are just as readily available. But they only use the one the government loves to slander.
And many of the weapons you listed are a fraction of the cost of the average AR.
But do they cause that much of damage in such a quick time?
More powerful and cheaper.
The .223 that an AR15 uses is generally a 55gr projectile and is essentially a varmint round. It's extremely light and fast, but in the hunting world is considered to not be adequate for a quick kill on a deer.
7.62x39 that an AK shoots a projectile that weighs nearly 3 times as much, it's a reliable round to take down even large deer or smaller elk.
A semi auto shotgun, some of which are now magazine fed, shoots (buckshot) 8-20 pellets that EACH weigh as much as a single AR15 round.
Follow the science.
And as other users have pointed out, people play copy cats. It seems to be the mass shooters weapon of choice.
Itâs like djs, majority of us use sennheisers because theyâre the best and other famous djs use them. Hip hop djs use beats because those were popular among their circles. Itâs all relative.
You asked a question, I answered it factually.
AR15 is a very common firearm in America, so of course it would be a common gun used to murder people. Much less common than handguns, however, by more than ten fold.
Your "copycat" theory is mostly bs. The real "copycat" is media calling any magazine fed long gun an "AR15" and the David Hogg followers regurgitating the same.
Most likely because it can cause the most damage and shoot a larger amount of people in a quicker time than most other weapons?? Where the fuck did common sense go
Aks have the same capacity and a larger round though.
Again you know nothing about firearms
Spin. Blame the gun not the shooter. Classic progressive spin.
I'm blaming both. A mentally sick fuck with easy access to a death stick.
You can kill just as easy with a ,9mm torus. A tenth of the price of an AR-15.
These people buy AR-15s
To be a copycat killer
Because they realize how easily other killers have gotten them
Because they want to kill and inflict as much damage as possible, this killer had 600 rounds and magazines with 30 capacity.
These shooters aren't gun owners, they see the gun their idolized murderer uses. It shouldn't be that easy to buy any firearm.
Where Iâm from it isnât easy to buy an AR15 (background check, ten day waiting period before you actually receive the gun, mental health declaration, restriction on magazine capacity) but we still have mass shootings. If someone is determined enough they will find a way.
This kid was denied when trying to buy an AR-15 from a gun show. He was then able to buy it nonchalantly from a private dealer.
Sounds like he was determined to commit an act of violence no matter what obstacles were in his way.
Maybe. More likely these sick fucks are galvanized by the ease of access.
Like I said we already have some of the strictest gun laws in the country where Iâm from so there is no âease of accessâ but the crazies and the criminals still find a way. Not only are there hundreds of millions of illegal firearms on the black market but someone could fairly easily manufacture their own with a desktop CNC and a 3d printer. Either that or theyâd go back to building fertilizer bombs like Oklahoma City. Pass all the laws you want, it will not solve the problem of mass violence in America. Treating the symptoms only buys you time, it doesnât cure the disease.
This is why the problem of violence in America will never be solved.
So long as people blame an object and not the individual nor the underlying causes.
the underlying causes.
Like easy access to guns?
Yeah, ease of access to a tool is the cause.
Remove one tool, another (knives) is used.
Remove another tool, another (acid) is used.
Do you need me to cite these for you, or do you know what I'm talking about because you don't pick and choose what fits in the narrative?
Reactionary thought.
A "private dealer", eh?
we still have mass shootings
But how many times less often that in the US? Yes, if someone is determined enough, they will find a way, no matter the restrictions, because no restrictions will ever ne 100% effective, but the harder it is, the fewer of people will find that way and the fewer mass shooting there are.
I just looked it up and itâs the opposite. Despite having some of the strictest gun laws we actually have the highest rate of mass shootings out of the whole country.
Oh, sounded like you are from outside the US. Withing the IS it really doesn't matter what gun control laws you have if you can just drive to a neighbouring state and buy it there.
Thatâs false, at least in my state. Itâs illegal to purchase firearms out of state and transport them back. Itâs also illegal in most states for a non-resident to purchase a firearm in the first place. Then again not everyone follows gun laws⌠which is the point.
In this exact post "drove out of state to purchase his weapon".
And you also have a lot of guns "on the streets", because of nonexistant gun control so it will take many years of strict gun contol to get to the level of a 1st world country.
Hence why I said âat least in my stateâ and âin most statesâ. The key words that youâre ignoring are my and most. Like I already said we have had extremely strict gun control laws in my state for nearly fifty years and yet we have the highest rate of mass shootings in the country. The laws donât stop these incidents of mass violence.
Interesting, I'm front a place it's easy to get them and we've never had a mass shooting. The one guy that tried got shot by a woman with a concealed pistol before he hurt anyone else.
How about just call it a long gun. But you know you won't get long guns off the market
So blame the media for perpetuating these crimes.
The guy said he wanted to be infamous.
So whyâs OP so upset that the media didnât report this enough?
Whatever keep blaming the gun. I saw your truth sandwiches a mile away. you're a lil craftier than most.
It is genuinely dangerous that you probably own a firearm, youâre mentally unwell
I don't. Knifes are.easier to carry.
I don't believe lies. Who mentality unwell here? Seems like if you believe bullshit that sticks. I wouldn't trust your opinion.
You can kill 3 ppl just as easy with a knife. I have knives in my kitchen. Would you pin it on a chef knife
This shooter was killed within 10 minutes of police arriving on the scene. You think you can march in and kill 3 teenagers with a knife in under 10 minutes? How are you going to get into the locked school in the first place? In this case a door was shot open.
To easy to find Google Canada mass knifing.. knife kill fast.
lol? And what school was this at? What single location was this act perpetrated? This guy was driving around stabbing people.
Point is the gun is not the problem. It's people killing people.
And in the USA if you make it harder to buy the weapon of choice for these sick fucks then it'll be much harder for these people to kill people.
How can you honestly say it's okay for someone who is as mentally deranged as any mass shooter to have this easy of access to guns.
I'm done dude. You are definitely dishonest individual here. See ya around.
Well not easy to get guns in every state. Chicago 12;dead over the weekend. Gun laws for decades.
You realize a ton of guns are brought into chi from Gary which is right next door and conveniently has laxer gun laws?
It's not a gun problem. It's a neighborhood problem. They just happen to be using guns. Taking away guns won't stop the wars.
Hard to believe races who don't like each. fight over turf.. like maybe this is something naturally in humans.
Take a away the guns. These fucked up kids will move on to worse items. God forbid they get an idea of a pipe bom. That's scary and easily obtainable.
Like the pipe bombs at Columbine that failed to go off? Why go through all that effort when you can just buy a gun the same day you intend to take it into a school or a mall or a grocery store. These sick fucks do it because it's so easy what don't you get. Point, shoot, dead. Kill dozens in seconds. Literally anyone can do it.
Spin spin spin indivisible. Killary is proud of you.
Living in fear, always.
Not to mention that this shocked their nation because of the rarity of the incident (especially if you compare their neighbors to the south). In our society awash with guns, frequency is undeniable.
Hmm 1 sec
Because those knives are really good at spraying bullets. Yeah.
You most definitely are someone that thinks the AR in AR-15 stands for Assault Rifle.
Have you been in a gun store? Shit Iâm saving up to by a bullpup. As someone who has (admittedly basic, not as much as Iâd like) knowledge of guns, it is legitimately weird how itâs the exact same type of rifle, often same brand. Other rifles exist. Even weirder: if they claim itâs like theyâre imitating video games (Iâve seen this be said unironically) then why wouldnât they pick up an actual SCAR or something else equally tacticool? Or even a cheaper rifle??
it is legitimately weird how itâs the exact same type of rifle,
Not really.
Base AR pattern rifles are very common and cheap ($500 or less) . Sure, an SKS might be cheaper, but they're not everywhere like they used to be 20 years ago, have no detachable mag, and (non steel) 7.62 ammo is becoming more rare, while .223 / 5.56 is everywhere. AK pattern rifles have risen in prices over the years.
>$500 or less
Again; youâve never been in a gun store
My closet and safe says otherwise.
Lol, you eat paint chips as a kid??
Why does it not sit right with you that the same thing keep happening when we do nothing to stop it?
They keep buying guns because they can.
The assault weapons ban didn't prevent Columbine or Virginia Tech.
The left wants to ban guns but then also encourage lawlessness and anarchy. That goes beyond just "not making sense." That's deliberately creating and encouraging chaos.
I never said the assault weapons ban went far enough. It didnât. There are much more mass shootings now than when it was it place though.
How's gun control working in NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, and LA?
Still all shitholes?
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Also how many people have been thrown on the tracks in NYC in the last couple weeks?
If you want try to enforce gun control on a state by state or city by city way, then we need to enforce hard state borders, which no one wants.
But yea, as it is now states with control laws have fewer gun deaths per capita than states without.
If you are curious which cities have the too 5 worst gun homicide rate in the Us it is:
Jackson, Ms Gary, IN St. Louis, MO New Orleans, LA Memphis, TN
Noticed anything about what states those cities are in?
Like what? The demographics?
All republican lax gun law states
Gary Indiana -77% black
St Louis, Missouri - 45% black
Memphis, Tennessee- 64% black
Jackson Mississippi - 82% black
New Orleans, LA - 59% black
Say what you want to say
While you are gearing up to be racist, check out state ranked by gun death rate:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
What % black is alaska or wyoming?
Just "following the science."
Say what you want to say
While you are gearing up to be racist, check out state ranked by gun death rate:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
What % black is alaska or wyoming?
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Also look at the states that have normal gun laws, but are in the top 10 in safety.
Ok and?
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Gun deaths. Thatâs what I am talking about. People dying from gunshots. People in republican lead lax gun law states are more likely to die from guns.
Thatâs my point.
Donât let me get in the way of you being racist though
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I never accused facts of being racist. You are ignoring that republican lead state with lax gun laws generally lead the country in gun death rate while democratic lead states with stricter gun laws generally have the lowest gun death rate.
You are ignoring those facts because that does not allow to be racist. When in doubt, you will always choose the option that you feel justifies your racism, wonât you?
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Letâs address the topic head on: why do you think republican lead lax gun states generally have such worse gun death rates than democratic lead stricter gun control states?
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What predominantly black cities are you talking about in wyoming or alaska?
It is great that you did exactly what I said you would: ignore any data that does not support your racism.
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9/10 of those states fit my narrative. You just want to be racist though and ignore that.
The 1/10 that is not republican is NM and I do not know if they have strict gun laws or not.
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Virtually every time people regularly interact with people different from them, they realize that modern republican policies donât make any sense. Thatâs why just about every major city ends up voting for democrats.
It is clear you just want to be racist so tell me about the demographics of cities in alaska and wyoming. Go nuts, baby boy
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Tell me about the demographics of cities in wyoming and alaska and why you think that leads to so many gun deaths.
Getting rid of guns isnât gonna drop the suicide rates in Wyoming and Alaska which are number 1 and 2 in suicide by capita. Wyoming 86% of Gun deaths are suicide, Alaska is 68%. 61% of gun deaths in the US are Suicides. Sounds more like a mental health issue, not a gun issue in those states. Which lets be fair to the people that live in those states that are sparsely populated, have horrible winters, and poor economies/infrastructure.
Wait, now gun deaths are a mental health issue when white people are involved? See how your racism is making you unable to have consistent logic?
and poor economies/infrastructure.
Yes, we covered that. I already said they were republican lead.
I wasnât the guy that brought race into it, that was another commenter. Idc about race when 22k+ of the 39k+ gun deaths are suicide Mental health issues would help solve that and probably drug related Gun crimes too. Also 61% is a Majority so it proves his race claim wrong too.
Apologies for confusing you two. My bad.
Well the US has neither universal healthcare or gun control so weâre currently solving neither side of the issues
Ya know, half of all American violent crime is gang related.
Do you think mass shootings would stop if the AR-15 where to disappear from the public? Because I'm willing to bet money that they wouldn't.
If guns in the Us were allowed to hold no more than 8 rounds, mass shootings would plummet. If under 25 year olds require 2 over 25 year olds to vouch for them before they could own any gun, thatâs help too.
This would help but wouldn't stop them. I'm always open to common sense gun control but the bird is out of the cage at this point. Restrictions only restrict law abiding citizens creating an unlevel playing field. Alot of these mass shooters are getting their guns from their own homes.
Restrictions only restrict law abiding citizens creating an unlevel playing field.
Obviously this is nonsense. If that was true, the UK would have a similar gun crime rate as the US
I live in one of those cities you just named and ALL of these shootings are from teens, 20-30 yr olds who car jacking robbing etc. The guns these ppl are getting come from gun smugglers who sell guns to gun runners and/or gangs who then sell guns to ppl in the streets that want a gun. I know this for a fact! I wish EVERYONE would stop acting like we need to restrict ppl who legally own guns bc of all these shootings etc. Bc MOST of these killings are done with guns bought on the street from underground gun runners/gangs etc. If you know the right ppl you can go to the hood and buy a gun no problem. Trust me these shootings are not bc ppl are âbuying guns at the gun store or pawn shopâ or whatever! They buy them in the streets. The streets get them from gun runners who get them from gun smugglers. Same thing as illegal drugs. And YES when a kid (Uvalde) who is poor has no car or drivers license has a mom on meth and works PT at Wendyâs but is able to supposedly âdrive to a gun store and buy $4,000 worth of guns and ammoâ just doesnât make sense. This kid had NO money! Working at Wendyâs PT. No drivers license or car. And no friends. So who took him to the gun shop? How did he have almost 5k? And how come there was no video cameras showing where he got gun at? Thereâs cctv cameras everywhere now!! In every city n town. But all of these killings in Jackson Memphis New Orleans etc are not bc of lax gun laws itâs bc of buying guns in the streets that are smuggled. I promise!
Almost all those guns were at some point legally purchased in the Us, probably in a republican lead state.
Also yea, men 16-35 do most of the violent crime in every city. What of it?
You know you can buy things with credit cards without having the cash on hand, right? Or someone making $8hr can just work for 8 weeks
No they arenât. There is a huge gun smuggling from Mexico thru Texas to the east and west. Govt and cartels. The guns go to the runners and then to the gangs and then to the streets. I know this for a fact. And yeah most 15-35 yr old killings are usually gang, drug, crimes of opportunity related. At least in the 5 cities you mentioned. The problem is that America doesnât care about the lil kids in the hood who grow up in poverty with a mom who is out doing whatever or living with gma and the cycle is âget money by any meansâ and these kids have nobody there to show them support or love etc. So thatâs all they know. Ppl wanna act like âguns are the problemâ. The ppl who actually buy a gun legally are not out there killing. The ppl who get their guns on the streets are. You canât trace the owner of a gun if there is NO real owner bc it was smuggled in and bought in the streets. It amazes me how out of touch all of these white ppl are with reality. And Iâm white and grew up with money!! But Iâve lived that life back in the day. I was with a crip for 12 yrs. Have biracial kids with him. I know that life. But I also had a mom who cared and prayed for me daily. I changed my life and got out of all that and went to law school and Iâm now an attorney. I go to the hoods in my city and talk with these kids. I know their struggles. The reason they have guns and rob etc. Ppl wanna blame guns but the blame is on the failed parenting of the kids and the lack of support systems in the hood and the lack of mental and emotional support, and most importantly lack of a good role model and someone who loves you and teaches you how to overcome diversity and poverty etc. These kids have no one who truly supports or cares about them. And itâs a cycle. And itâs sad. And ppl wanna blame everything else instead of getting to the true reason why ppl donât care for other ppls lives or feel the need to kill for money or gangs or just bc âI had no friendsâ. Everyone needs to stop all this republican v democrat. White v black. We are ALL the same! The dem n rep presidents do NOT care about all of us they are all doing what they are told. There is no Republican v Democrat. Like everyone needs to wake up and STOP letting these ppl divide us!!
3d printers exist, anyone intent on murder is going to be cool with printing illegal stuff.
This year, how many gun crimes were do we know were done with 3d printed guns in the US
How many mass shootings have happened ever with 3 d printed guns?
There's 20 million ARs in circulation we know of. There's hundreds of millions of standard capacity 30 round mags.
Even if you pass something creating round limits, it'll only affect law abiding citizens. Mass shooter's would still get standard capacity mags, essentially making your law useless only infringing upon the 99.999% of good people.
As for the age restriction, when are you considered an adult? If it's 18 you should get all the rights of an adult at that age. If you think 18 is too immature for something like guns than they are also too immature to vote as well.
Why doesnât the Uk have these problems?
Why are all these mass shooters either buying the gun legally or taking it from their âlaw abidingâ parents?
Getting shot pretty drastically infringes on our rights.
They have knife problems. It doesn't matter the weapon. People will always fund a way to kill people.
Getting shot pretty drastically infringes on our rights.
This is a laughable statement.
Why doesnât the Uk have gun problems? There must be a reason.
You donât think that getting shot infringes on your rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Why is that laughable to you?
It's not a gun problem. Do you claim vehicular manslaughter is a car problem? We have a killing problem, the tool is inconsequential.
And it's a stupid statement. Guns don't remove your right to life or liberty, and individual does with their actions. Not an inanimate object. A person with a car or screw driver can remove these rights just as well.
You're personifying an inanimate object and absolving blame from bad individuals. Your view is insanely laughable.
Why doesnât the Uk have gun problems?
60 years ago ypu could have a fully automatic rifle delivered to your door with no background check. There were no mass shootings then.
Explain again how it's the guns fault and not the individual or society?
We have many many more guns in our country now.
Clearly, our society can no longer handle having easy access to guns
Guns are more restricted now than back then almost 10 fold. We don't have easy access compared to then.
Again, there were no background checks, they were shipped to your door and you could buy full automatic machine guns used by militaries.
Iâll repeat since you didnât address either of these points:
We have many many more guns in our country now.
Clearly, our society can no longer handle having easy access to guns
I have, I'm sorry you didn't comprehend or that you don't have the capacity to.
I guess asking you to address my argument was too much. Glad you were at least able to resort to insults when logic failed you.
Can you explain what you mean by âthe n also encourage lawlessness and anarchy?â
Bail reform. Defund the police. Rioting for "noble" causes. Disregarding the Supreme Court based on some moral high ground.
So basically democrats go soft on crime, encourage anti police sentiment, and disregard for the law. Criminals go free and law abiding citizens cant protect themselves. But then when crime consequently goes up, because criminals are emboldended (using guns most other people dont have because of democratic restrictions) they make an argument for that same gun control.
Its plain and simple gaslighting taken right out of the communist playbook.
Most democrats believe in police reform, not defunding the police actually. They believe in things like ending qualified immunity, more training for police officers, and moving some funding from police departments to services that are more proactive (like education, mental health services) and less reactive.
Not sure whatâs communist about that. The communist playbook would actually prefer a larger more robust police department to put down or silence any dissenting voices or protesting. That actually sounds more similar to what current American police departments do.
Also unclear what âDemocratic restrictionsâ youâre talking about in terms of gun control. Can you name a democrat backed gun law that would stop me, a citizen with no criminal record, from obtaining a firearm?
Stop it?
We empower the criminals.
Weve made it illegal to protect yourself on or near schools.
While making it absurdly easy to get guns. We need to make it much much much harder to get guns, especially for violent, antisocial young men
No.
We need to stop perpetuating a violent society.
Instead of blaming an object.
What if everyone had access to launch a nuke anywhere they want from their home? You have to blame the object at a certain point. Someone is going to hit that nuke bottom no matter what.
Sweden, Norway and Finland have very high gun ownership. Why are they not having a mass shooting on a weekly basis? Their society isnt violent and uncivilized like the American society.
They also have laws that you need to keep your guns in a locked safe. You cant have that gun in your car unless while going hunting, you cant store the gun and the ammo in the same safe and so on.
Seems reasonable to me. Thatâs how I store my gun already.
Wanna know what simple things other countries have done to drastically cut their gun deaths? Ban people from having guns.
It is not the gunâs fault. It is the fault of people with guns, so letâs stop letting people get guns
So what youre saying is that violence is fine, so long as guns arent involved.
We will never get rid of 100% of violence, no. That does not mean we should not make it harder for a weak coward to murder 20 people in seconds
itd be a lot harder than you think to keep guns away from looneys.
It would be remarkably easier than you think.
how would you determine whoâs a psycho and who isnât? not every psycho gets help or makes it clear they are psycho
Easy, no one needs an AR-15 or similar. If someone wants one, they are a psycho
lmao. iâd like an AR and AK probably multiple if i had that kind of money. enjoy your safe space
Imagine pretending that wanting kids not to be murdered daily is worthy of mockery. I canât decide if that attitude is more evil or more stupid.
imagine you can keep guns away from criminals. i donât want kids to be murdered either. thereâs a reason schools get targeted
Why is britain able to keep guns away from criminals?
iâm not sure iâm not from Britain. you seem to have all the answers, fill me in. we canât even keep drugs out of people hands.
It is was with gun control, just like every other 1st world country.
chicago has some of the strictest gun laws. people get shot there multiple times everyday. but nobody cares about that
You talking about chicago, 20 minutes away from gary, Indiana with Indianaâs lax gun laws?
Most guns in chicago come from out of state, from stateâs with lax gun laws. Thatâs the issue.
still doesnât take away from the fact people in chicago shoot each other every day and nobody gives a fuck
People definitely give a fuck. Why do you think so many people are calling for national gun control? You clearly give a fuck about it, you brought it up unprompted
yeah i do give a fuck. people shouldnât be shooting people. we have a people problem not a gun problem. you take away the guns then people start getting stabbed. i should not be left defenseless against criminals with guns who will get guns regardless of whatever laws are passed. humans are scum and that will never change. let people defend themselves
People already have access to knives, why do are gun deaths 10x knife deaths in the Us? Knives are even easier to acquire
well realistically speaking people who want to kill many people would be stupid to choose a knife. if someone is coming at me with a knife iâm going to shoot them. as should you
Say that again but this time listen to yourself. Why donât people kill with knives event 1/10th as much?
why do they target gun free zones?
Oh man, were you too close to a revelation that you had to run away from it? Why do we have 10x as many gun deaths as knife deaths?
criminals donât care about the law dude. if they want a gun theyâre going to get a gun
Why do these criminals kill with guns at 10x the rate of knives?
Why isnât that the case in countries with gun control like the Uk?
because itâs rampant in poverty stricken cities and the government want to defund police and call people by their âproper pronounsâ itâs a people/societal problem. gun violence is idolized in lots of the music lots of people listen to. usa is a very weird place rn. terrible actually. the vast majority of gun owners arenât responsible for any gun violence. i find it very odd you put all the blame on the gun when itâs the person behind it using it for evil.
People are getting shot instead of stabbed because of pronouns?
Maybe take a little break from the internet and conservative media for a bit, amigo. Your brain seeks fried.
iâll do that if you admit the gun canât kill people if there isnât a piece of shit using it
My solution is not to ban guns. You misunderstand me. It is to ban people from getting guns.
Why do pieces of shit kill with guns at 10x the rate they kill with knives?
and still you wonât admit guns wonât kill if a psycho isnât using it
Iâm still waiting on you to figure out why scumbags kill with guns at 10x the rate of knives
i said it already itâs idolized and seen as cool in our society. itâs really fucking sad. poverty struck cities im watching the news rn guys manifesto said he has no friends or family and nobody treats him right. once again itâs a people problem. nobody loved this dude or was kind to him at least and for some fucking reason he decides shooting people and hoping the cops kill him like they did. people have got to be better to each other man.
How many people do you think he could kill with a knife in 1 go? Iâd put every dollar I own that itâd be fewer than can kill with a gun
yeah so would i. i mean thereâs countless serial killers killing 20+ people with knives but ig thatâs different because it wasnât in one event? of course itâs no different there is something wrong with these people how to solve it idk bro. but donât strip my defense from criminals and tell me criminals wonât have guns
At one time? No
Come on, dude. Read what I write. Donât make up stuff
what did i make up?? i agreed with you
so you donât want to ban guns you want people not to be able to get guns. hmmm makes sense
Yes. As you said, guns donât kill people, people with guns kill people so letâs stop people from having guns
people kill people regardless. gun violence is much higher because poverty struck areas/ gangs, think itâs a fucking game. they donât care about one another seem to think gang banging is the way to live life. idk iâve never lived that life iâm not sure how to fix it iâm just some dumbass on reddit. but leaving people defenseless is not the way to do it
Gun violence is more because guns make it much much much easier to kill people.
Thatâs what youâve been avoiding for a while now
no i think anyone with a brain would admit itâs easier to kill with a gun. but you keep avoiding the fact that these people are fucking sick in the head and if they werenât they wouldnât be shooting people or stabbing people or running them over
no i think anyone with a brain would admit itâs easier to kill with a gun
And yet you refused to admit that for 10+ comments.
Letâs make it harder for scumbags to kill people
no because some scumbag will try to kill me or rob me or come in my home and iâll be sitting there in my safe space waiting for the cops to show up hoping schizo has mercy for me. fuck that
The most likely person to be shot by your gun in your home is you. Buying s gun just increased your chances of being a gun victim
Would you rather someone break into your home with a knife or a gun?
oh cmon man. nobody should be going into anyones home uninvited. knife or gun you come into my castle you getting told to leave at gun point and if you donât you get shot simply as that. donât go in peoples homes thatâs common sense. if there were a way to weed out negligent gun owners iâd be all for that. to many people treat them as toys and think itâs all fun and games. shits serious you need to be responsible if youâre going to own a gun
I never said people should be breaking and entering. I am against that
so your argument of knife vs gun intruder is irrelevant. if the intruder were smart they would come with a knife. because maybe then the homeowner would give them a chance to rethink their decision. you go into gun owners home with a gun im not sure theyâd have the same thought process
Iâd much rather a home intruder have a knife than a gun. So it seems would you.
We would both rather there are no home intruder obviosuly
i mean sure but that argument is terrible. nobody should be in your home uninvited period. i see a dude with a knife i might give him a chance to leave. if he keeps coming at me he getting blasted. i see a dude with a gun idk if iâm risking telling him to leave. thatâs a terrible argument bro
Who here do you think is arguing in favor of home invasion?
You are literally agreeing with me. We both agree we would rather a home invader had a knife instead of a gun. We are both, like everyone, anti home invasion.
exactly bro itâs just a stupid fuckin argument because criminals donât care about the law they will bring whatever tf they want
Why arenât criminals in the UK doing gun crimes at even 1/10th the rate of criminals in the US?
iâm not sure and iâm not going to research it. although iâm not aware of the UK history with firearms. usa has always had a shit load of guns. i feel like you think the government will just say hey guys no more guns and everyone will just hand them over and there will be no more guns in usa.
iirc thereâs like multiple guns for each us citizen. thereâs no chance you would get rid of all guns
Just so you are aware you are saying the Us has more gun violence because of the number of guns.
So following that logic, fewer guns lead to less gun violence.
not at all what i said. where i was going with that point was, i was curious if guns were ever a really relevant thing in the UK. maybe they were and they did just scoop them all up and no more gun violence was happening. great good for the UK. also iâm saying there are more guns than people in the US so to me the idea that youâre just going to collect them all and then not even criminals have them is silly
How is the Us having a ton of guns relevant to the question âwhy does the Us have so much more gun violence than the Ukâ?
You brought it up. So how is it relevant?
bro are you a politician? this the shit they be doing. i said i wondered if the UK ever had the amount of guns the US did. if the UK has way less guns it would be much easier to collect them and get rid of them. also iâm curious if UK has a drug problem like the US. do they have cartels and other drug lords who move mass amounts of drugs that go hand in hand with gun violence? i donât expect you to have all these answers but iâm just saying.
I am trying to figure out why you brought up the number of guns in the US when I asked why the US has so much more gun violence than the UK.
Why did you mention that? How is that relevant in your opinion?
youâve been saying that the Uk has much less gun violence so iâve been assuming they have some strict gun laws. youâve also been saying you want to ban people from having guns so iâve also been assuming Uzi bans people having guns. so if the Uk had way less guns than the US then that would mean itâs easier for them to control and collect guns they donât want their people to have leading the Uzi to have less gun crime than US
So you are saying, in your opinion, fewer guns leads to less gun violence. I 100% agree
no shit thatâs the case. but to think criminals will be like âdamn the government says we gotta give up our guns, we better hand em overâ is just stupid. all that will do is leave US citizens defenseless against criminals with guns and ill intentions. just like victims of schools shootings. sitting there hoping a lunatic spares them without a way to defend themselves against evil that will always exist in this world. fuck that. if you canât understand that, iâm getting nowhere with you and iâm done trying
Did you miss the part where america currently leads the developed world in gun deaths? We sure seem defenseless against criminals.
Why does the Uk have less gun violence? And why did you say the number of guns was relevant? You said it made it easier to round them upâŚso less guns leads to less gun violence. Why would you bring up the number of guns otherwise?
i think iâve told you multiple times man iâm not really sure why Uk has less gun violence. why donât you just fucking tell me so i can try and understand your thinking
Happily.
Gun control.
why is the number of guns relevant? you really donât understand that?? iâve said multiple times that there are multiple guns that every US citizen could own. THERE ARE SO MANY GUNS IN THE US IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO COLLECT ALL OF THEM AND ENSURE CRIMINALS DO NOT HAVE ACCESS DO THEM SO WHY STRIP INNOCENT PEOPLE OF THEIR GUNS TO LEAVE THE DEFENSELESS AGAINST CRIMINALS WITH GUNS
So if there were fewer guns in the country there would be less gun crime.
And the uk has less gun crime than the Us because they have fewer guns
have a good night man. hopefully someone will wake you up. it clearly wonât be me
At least you havenât resorted to âactually more guns would make us saferâ
Britain is on island, itâs only land border is Ireland, we share a border with Canada and Mexico which is connected to all the other Central and South American countries, itâs easier to smuggle stuff into the US than the UK or Australia.
You can drive from france to england. You know that, right? Google âchunnelâ
Guns net flow out across both our borders, not in
Point I was trying to make though is, the Gun Laws of the countries you would have to go through for the UK vs the US are stricter, I donât see fully loaded gangs and cartels in France or Most of the EU vs The Countries travelled to get to the US borders. All the Chunnel and ferry crossings doesnât have as much space to cover at those points vs the US land border
Point I was trying to make though is, the Gun Laws of the countries you would have to go through for the UK vs the US are stricter
Glad we agree that stricter gun control results in less gun crime. 100%. You hit the nail on the head with that.
Gun net flow from the US to mexico, not the other way around.
People with guns oppress people without them.
Yes, thatâs whatâs currently happening. Thatâs why we need to get the guns out of peopleâs hands
It's almost like you didn't read a word he wrote
What is the reason America has so much more gun violence than any peer nation? Because we allow such easy access to guns.
Anyone surprised that 19 year old kids continue to be able to easily access the most popular and easily acquired mass shooting weapon when we have done nothing to change out laws since the last mass shooting is either willfully ignorant or beyond hope.
America is not the most violent nation, not even the most violent industrialized nation.
The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
Britain does not have more gun violence than the Us, that is laughable that you would even respond with that. The Us has more shootings in a day than britain has in a year
Did you miss the âgun violenceâ part if what I said?
Did I say gun vioelnce?
Was your comment in response to what I wrote or just a complete non sequitur meant to derail conversation? It sounds like you are arguing it is later now. If thatâs the case, delete your comment and try to response to what I wrote instead
To what you wrote.
Ok, so since I wrote about gun violence, do you want to address that or are gonna tap out since you donât want to talk about that?
I'm pointing out that youre misguided.
You should be talking about violence since a gun is incapable of committing crimes.
And I am pointing out that without guns, 19 year old cowards have a much harder time killing 20 people in seconds
Glad to see you cannot even try to defend the absurd gun violence in the Us and instead choose to deflect
United state gun death rate: 10.95
United kingdom gun death rate: 0.24
Come on, dude.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country
Where does the article say gun violence?
Are you talking about Those classic nonviolent gun deaths?
Believe it or not, there are countless murders without the use of a firearm.
There are less stabbings in the UK than in the US.
So perhaps the US has a culture/mental health problem and the weapon used doesnât have much to do with it?
Jesus fucking Christ dude. Fine, we have a mental health problem, if you want to address that then you need to provide healthcare to everyone, but you donât.
We also have a gun issue, and the solution is obvious. How the fuck can a mass shooting happen if the shooter doesnât have a gun?
Not per capita.
There is more VIOLENCE
Not to mention that the UK is the acid attack capital of the world.
Have you seen what an acid attack does to a perosn, assuming they actually live.
There isnât though. Itâs not even close. The violent crime rate in the United States is more than four times higher than the UK no matter how you calculate it.
It completely dismantled the idea that guns make us safer. We have an obvious example of a country with tons of cultural similarities. The other country is also much more densely populated. Still, we have way more violent crime⌠even though we let everyone carry tools to kill.
Hmmm⌠I wonder⌠do you think the other country might have less violence because they refuse to equip everyone for violence? Just a thought.
Again, youre wrong.
The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
They have more violence.
And its worse.
UK Worldâs Acid Attack Capital; Assaults Up 74 Per Cent in One Year
But I do agree with you blaming government.
You cannot have a people at peace when you have a government at constant war, both domestically and abroad.
Same thing keeps happening over and over
With the exact same storyline and the exact same tool used
On a periodic basis that is collaborated with media headlines(there are mass shootings media never ever reported on, you can go try to figure for what reason)
Hmmm very odd I wonder why this keeps happening
Remember when it was uncovered that an ex-FBI agent was telling some kid with disabilities online to so a mass shooting?
Hmmm no that cant be it. White males in their late teens just have this natural tendency to buy an AR and unload it on their peers.
You are surprised that violent young men who are told that guns make them manly keep buying the very easy to acquire guns that are the easiest to use and most efficient tool for cowards to kill large quantities of people quickly?
Stop allowing those guns to be sold or owned, watch how quickly we stop seeing people committing mass shootings with those guns.
We have mass shootings every day in america
I dont believe so many 19 year old children are naturally âviolent young menâ like the ones you see in USA. I dont know whats driving these kids to do what they do, it isnt normal or explainable by natural causes.
Im not from USA, but it is clear there is something broken in your society as you keep having this issue. Yes you do have mass shootings in your broken society. Just go watch videos of a NYC metro and see how abnormal America is.
Yea, it is easy access to guns.
Thought experience: take two disaffected young men who suck at life, have nonsocial skills, no real prospects.
Give one of them a knife and the other a 30 round capacity Ar-15 with 500 extra rounds of ammo.
Who do you think will kill more people?
I know this is hard for you to imagine.
But in my country, you take 2 disaffected young men who no social skills or prospects. They will sit on the side of the road and smoke cigarettes 12 hours a day while looking at girls. Eventually theyâll work in gas station and live their life. They wont go and kill their neighborâs kids.
How many guns per capita does your country have?
Much less than USA. Your point?
Im saying we are not a violent society like Americans. I myself own a gun and never did anything myself. You can hand this whole country guns and no one will do anything.
The only time we have shootings or stabbings is between mafia people who are rivals with each other.
Guns are the issue
Are guns the issue too when a woman in America is scared to walk alone at night?
In countries like Romania a young girl by herself can go walk around town at 1am and no one will touch her. Meanwhile in certain parts of USA they will try to rob you on the spot. My father went to work in LA once and on his way home 4 guys tried to rob him of his jacket lol
Your society is absurd
Frankly, most places in the US arenât walkable period. Thatâs an issue. The US is far too car centric and youâre touching on that now.
That being said, I walk around my city every night and have never been mugged.
Most people arenât walkable because USA is car centric?
Or that you will get stabbed for a watch?
Maybe a combination of both?
No, mostly the first 1. I have never been stabbed walking around my american city
Too many of these mass shooters are acquiring the weapons from their very own homes. The parents of these kids are ultimately responsible. Whether they ignored it or remained in denial everyone of these kids had parents that missed all the red flags.
Yes, we need consequences for gun owners who allow their guns to be used in crimes. We also need it to be harder for people to get guns.
the exact same tool
You think school shooters pick their own guns in a vacuum? No, they're broken in the brain, they don't live on another planet. They google 'guns used in school shootings' then buy the top result.
No handguard? Wtf? Could it have gotten shot off at some point?
Ya I didnât hear about this one at all until this morning, such a huge disconnect from when itâs a shooter the media can use.
Partially because the victims names were withheld. Partially because it was âonlyâ two victims.
Any school shooting is tragic, but you certainly wouldâve heard about it if it had been âthe biggest massacre of all time,â because of capitalistic news requires eyeballs that generate ad dollars.
Why is it always a school shooting? Wouldn't shooting a politician, elite or billionaire make more of a point then kids? If they are going to risk their lives you'd think they go big.
Because most of the time it's a personally motivated incident. The guy may have said he did it to get famous but I'm betting he chose the school so he could get famous, and remove a few people who'd wronged him in the past.
When these wackos start aiming at politicians, you'll know. The media won't shut up about it.
Politicians have armed guards, this is why it's never a good idea to do away with 2A
Apparently their spouses don't.
LOL. This is sick. But the emotional impact on parents might be the answer.
Naw man, itâs just because America is so racist that only the white shooters get any recognition.
Or live to tell the tale.
And sometimes get fastfood on the way to jail in a cop car.
That white privilege
The fastest way to kill a story is finding any proof it does not to fit the narrative the powers that be want to tell you.
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Ironically because it doesnât fit their narrative.
If I go on the google news hub right now the top story is this shooting. The image is the shooter. So this is a clear lie to spread an agenda. I see it being reported by all major sources
Iâm in Australia and I saw it along with a picture about 2 hours after it happened
Do it itâs a black shooter, cops wonât stand around outside for and hour? Weird.
Watched an video yesterday on KSDK.com with 3 students. One of them a loud young lady that I almost swear I heard say he was white and held her hand above her head to indicate his height and that she saw it all with her eyes/ears (slight paraphrase as I canât remember her exact words). I havenât been able to find it today to verify thatâs what I heard
This is so false, it was national news covered in real time and was trendy on Twitter for 6 hours. It wasn't reported all that great because police withheld accurate accounts because he got through metal detectors and some officers fled outside.
Itâs literally on the front page of CNN right now.
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They did nazi that question coming...
I thought conspiracy theorists don't watch the news
This story was all over mainstream news sources as it was happening. I literally work in a place that has dozens of TVs playing various news outlets all day long and literally all of them were covering it. I swear, people just say shit that fits a narrative they like and roll with it because it makes them feel good.
A mass shooting is defined as 4 or more dead.
So what's actually the agenda that the media is going for? That mass shooters are always white? What narrative would that help fulfil? I saw it pop up in a notification alert from CNN but was busy with work to open it up.
Stop making shit up, already. Have a little integrity.
https://i.imgur.com/Owr7CAc.png
You're in the wrong sub for that...
I heard quite a bit about it.
These are the same people who say they donât watch the mainstream media lol it was on the news all day I saw it on multiple stations
Damn racist media not giving black people the screen time they deserve!
Not one mention that he was black in those articles
Well was it a racially motivated shooting? Why would it matter?
It seems like it would be a pretty odd thing to randomly highlight his race in these articles. They tend to only give descriptions if thereâs an active man hunt going on or if came to light that it was a hate crime.
Doesn't seem like it. But most aren't. The one that happened in buffalo where I live definitely was. Beyond that not worth mentioning
Then why point out that the articles donât mention heâs black?
Black Lives Matter.
I just explained why it really doesnât matter in this case. So tell me why it matters.
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Explain what the direct context is of him being black.
Explain the context of pointing out every time a shooter is white.
Thatâs my point. That doesnât happen in mainstream media
Sure, that happens in social media like on Facebook and Twitter long after the shooting. But that never happens in mainstream media unless itâs specifically a racially motivated shooting.
Why would they? His race is irrelevant.
Yeah unless he is white. Then it is the topic of discussion.
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Look at Darrell Brooks social media, (at least the bits that haven't been washed away) he had a lot of ugly things to say about race.
Is there a specific instance you have in mind?
Well I live in Wisconsin. So, a lot going on. A kid named Kyle was attacked by felons and legally protected himself in Kenosha. He was all over the news nonstop, and got mocked when he broke down recalling it. Then some guy in Waukesha, some ass wipe named Darrell, runs down a parade of almost all white people including children, after posting racist rants online. He is drowning in pity, and off the radar.
How do you get up and lie to yourself everyday?
Yet the Guardian article, for example, contains a link to the Buffalo shooting where
A federal grand jury has indicted the 19-year-old white man
is the first sentence.
The media and government are pushing a very clear narrative, part of a greater false narrative that USA is being threatened by white Republican fascists.
The fact the articles exist isnât the Same thing as the media putting them as item # 1 and cancelling all their other coverage to highlight it.
There's about one school shooting every week in the US. If every shooting got that kind of coverage, that's all we would ever hear about on the news.
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Over half of those are in the parking lot or at a ball game. Yet you posted it in spite of the above comment, or just donât care?
Yikes 20 in 43 weeks is still a wild number if it was just half
So dead people by guns only matter if inside a school?
If you call them school shootings, yes, being honest matters. The fuck?
Those statistics literally count a pellet gun shooting a bus as a school shooting. Youâll forgive us for not counting those, or even gang violence after school hours, on the same level as what happened here..
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent
The shaky definition of "school shooting" makes this a fairly worthless statistic.
There's a massive difference between gang violence, individual/isolated confrontations etc and a random whacko waltzing in and blasting anyone in sight
The fact the articles exist isnât the Same thing as the media putting them as item # 1 and cancelling all their other coverage to highlight it.
Did that ever happen? Even Uvalde and the Bufallo shooting weren't covered 24hrs a day. Besides those two shootings had variables that made them more "newsworthy" anyway, which would make sense for their to be more coverage.
Normally I get word about shootings off twitter and I didnât see a peep about it yesterday. I suppose thats also because I donât follow any of the propaganda news sites
Whatâs the point? This post claims that these propaganda sites arenât talking about the shooting when they obviously are.
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What is your point? They just linked like 10 major new sources talking about it. As someone in education, I can ensure you that everyone is talking about it.
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It's probably hard for him to hear about it in his echo chamber
Facebook is bearable if you spend 20 minutes removing all the advertising, politics, add privacy restrictions, filter your friends list etc.
That must've taken about ten seconds to find
I had to bypass the censorship algorithm with a complex search query: "St. Louis school shooting."
You miss the point of the OP. And this will be memory holed fast. Are you making the claim MSM treats white and black mass shooters the same?
You miss the point of the OP.
Nah not really. OP has 2 points really and one implied point.
The media didn't cover this shooting despite it being the same as others.
This was because the shooter was black
(This is a trend we should be worried about)
^This commenter has dealt with the first point which makes the 2nd one irrelevant.
You keep wanting to run with it though which is why you've reframed the question this way twice in the thread. So go on, you're clearly itching to. Tell us that despite the first point being proved wrong, somehow this is a trend related to race we should be concerned about.
I'm sure they'll put a 3rd point soon. Just deflect and put in a dash of whataboutism.
He is right because tomorrow it will be memory holed, that counts as coverage. He is right because if this was a Maga chud or incel it would have weeks of coverage and words. It is a trend you don't worry about because it covers for your political party.
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Quite telling
I don't paint it that way I am just noticing how msm colors it.
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You making the claim rw and lw mass shooters get equal coverage from msm?
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So you are making the claim that rw mass shooters get more media coverage than black and lw shooters.? I think that's what OP is saying. What % of black folks are LW? Is it lower than 90% ? I don't know or care. They fall in the same category as lw shooters, that is its memory holed fast. I am getting the impression you are not here to discuss the core issue.
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The fact is the majority of mass shooters are black. If you can find even ONE incel rw black mass shooters I will eat a crow.. so you can find another way to obfuscate the core issue .
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I am not denying its NOT covered, that is an absurd claim. The claim is its memoryholed and more coverage is dedicated to RW shooters.
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Not an argument.
Because the white guys are bigger mass murderers?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States
I am familiar with the widely debunked mother Jones article wiki is using. Define mass murders. We are all familiar with 13/50 it's 13/60 now.
I just checked in 2016 election it was 89% according to 538.
It's irrelevant. What matters is the media coverage. Most people think white folks are responsible for most of the mass shootings. Why? Media coverage.
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Even by your loosely defined definition of mass shooters blacks are over represented.
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Not an argument
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What data?
89% of black voters voted for democrats in 2016. Are you being salty and dumb for a reason?
There is a lack of consensus in what defines a mass shooting, it was traditionally 3 to 4. Not sure what standard the data you support defines it as. If it's over 3 then we'll I think you know who leads that , there are countless drive bys every month.
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No common sense. Show me a black rw mass shooters and I will reconsider.
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Define mass shooters first.
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Thank yandex for this, Google is useless.
638 mass shootings in 2021 and 75 % were by black folks.
https://mass-shootings.info/statistics.php?year=2021
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Reality and facts do not require your beliefs.
Act like a well regarded person, it's ok to be wrong demon.
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"Mass shooting database" https://mass-shootings.info/statistics.php?year=2021
Does this picture look white to you?
https://mass-shootings.info/index.php
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Not an argument
You are a bad faith actor and troll. What got you this angry and hateful towards conspiracy theorists?
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Your claimis is white people are over represented in mass shootings demon?
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358 mass shooters in 2015 and 75% were from black people. What an absurd claim. https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/who-are-mass-shooters-mass-shooter-demographics-part-2/
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So 75 percent of the shootings were from black people, yet white people make up more of the population? So a higher percentage of the lower population cause more of the shootings and you still wanna argue just to argue?
75.8% if the US population is white, but account for 53% of mass shootings. 13.6% of the US population is black, but account for 15% of mass shootings. Gang violence isnât included in mass shooting statistics. White people are statistically under represented as mass shooters.
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Theyâre your statistics from the link you provided.
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Here it is "Mass shooting database" https://mass-shootings.info/statistics.php?year=2021
The link you provided doesnât mention race, so doesnât dispute my statement. I agree with its sentiment on US gun violence.
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75.8% if the US population is white, but account for 53% of mass shootings. 13.6% of the US population is black, but account for 15% of mass shootings. If all races contribute equally to mass shootings, the numbers of mass shootings would match the population percentage. If everyone were equally as violent, 75.8% of mass shooters would be white instead of 53%, and 13.8% of mass shooters would be black, instead of 15%.
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Your link provides the data that backs up my claims.
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It speaks highly for a group that makes up 75.8 percent of the population to only commit 53% of its mass shootings. It looks terrible for a group that makes up only 13.8 percent of the population to commit 15% if itâs mass shootings.
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It's not close. 75% of mass shooters in 2021 were black. You are exscused for your ignorance. Who would have shared this with you?
"Mass shooting database" https://mass-shootings.info/statistics.php?year=2021
It's not established you are wrong. Here are the facts 75% of mass shooters in 2021 were black.
"Mass shooting database" https://mass-shootings.info/statistics.php?year=2021
You are a liar. "Mass shooting database" https://mass-shootings.info/statistics.php?year=2021
Liar "Mass shooting database" https://mass-shootings.info/statistics.php?year=2021
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Are you trying leave out gang related shootings?
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How many black mass shootings in 2021? White? Back up your claim
How many black mass shootings in 2021 ? How many white? There is a reason you are avoiding the question.
You hate incels and conspiracy theorists i get it.
Do you identify as an incel? You keep bringing it up.
Are we pretending incel mass shooters are not part of this narrative?
No but I know you hate them.
Only the insufferable ones.
He is right because tomorrow it will be memory holed, that counts as coverage. He is right because if this was a Maga chud or incel it would have weeks of coverage and words. It is a trend you don't worry about because it covers for your political party.
So you're saying, I'm not right now, but tomorrow I will be?
Bruh this is the first i heard of a school shooting. And im on a device almost every waking moment. I found out about Uvdale within the hour.
Was this shooting racially motivated?
Does killing people matter more when they're racially motivated? Murder is murder.
Did I say that? My point is that people are upset that the killer's race wasn't mentioned, and I'm saying that it's irrelevant unless it was racially motivated (or if the killer was still on the loose).
Your right the killers race is irrelevant when it wasn't racially motivated but the media seems to only make it a point to blast the race when the shooter is white in non racially motivated killings
The killers race is usually emphasized whether the shooting was racially motivated or not is the point they are making.
Happy to answer this if you answer my question first. It's way conversations work.
Sure, I'll walk into your trap. It depends on the circumstances surrounding the shooting.
So you are claiming if a black person or LW person shot a bunch of people they would get equal words and coverage from a white rw incel person shooting poc or liberals? You seeing the absurdity of your worldview yet?
Per my last comment:
It depends on the circumstances surrounding the shooting.
Yeah if the circumstances make poc or liberals look bad expect the shooters face to be delayed as long as possible and have minimum and short coverage. It's as predictable as the sun rising
Maybe there are no pictures?
The articles state he had no priors (no prior arrests).
You making the claim rw and lw mass shooters get equal media coverage?
In Reddit it would be posted in News, White and Black people Twitter, politics, Publicfreakout and other lefty only cesspools. And it would be about how Kanye, white supremacy, republicans, and Trump were the cause.
You making rw and lw shooters get equal media coverage?
Are you making the claim there is no censorship algorithm to favor LW sources and agendas?
No, I'm making the point that if anyone took one minute to look online, they could have found out about the shooting. The White House even put out a statement about it FFS.
So, it will be gone tomorrow. Why? It wasn't an incel. You act like there is an equal amount of words written by msm concerning a black vs white shooter.
Did you just imply that all incels are white?
You are missing point or trying to derail the core issue.
Yes, thatâs the problem. I have not had to Google the other school shootings. They were all over the news, all over every subreddit, all over Twitter, etc. There is a difference between something being mentioned by the media in passing, and nonstop 24 hr daily coverage for weeks.
Are you referring to Uvalde? Because there's a reason why that was so extensively covered. Several, actually.
Teach me your ways of finding information
Those donât count because a reporter from each of those companies didnât literally go to OPs house and read him the article.
Im 7 articles in, reading every word, and they haven't mentioned the race of the suspect at all. Also, where's the 24/7 round the clock coverage? They can't claim this is White Nationalist Terrorism, so they lightly hammer Gun Control talking points.
Yes, you should keep going, show how literally every single source you posted is owned by the same people, all aligned literally on every single issue, no deviations whatsoever. You should wonder how you can see these sources as objective, and confidently post them, expecting it to "Pwn" people that see through this charade. You're just showing everyone that you have literally no thoughts of your own, sitting comfortably in your sources where you're always right. Its nice and cozy in your echo chamber.
Why does the shooter's race matter? OP's point is that the media isn't discussing the shooting, which they clearly are.
The race of the individual matters every single time, and their motives. The problem is that when it's a crazy white person that commits these atrocities, the same sources this OP cited ONLY talk about the race, and blow up the idea that White Nationalist Terrorism, and MAGA Republicans are Extremist and the hate for all POC is the reason for what they did. Even with that rhetoric making its way to the White House by our President. There have been a streak of mass shootings and attacks committed by POCs this year including Uvalde, and they just seem to blip in and out of the news overnight. Like this one here. I implore you to pay attention in the future, and the type of coverage. Its weird that you act like you dont notice.
Yup. That's for damn sure. It's all about agenda and narrative. Amazing how people went from not trusting authority to asslicking sycophants. Like the fucking Twlight Zone.
The race of the individual matters every single time
To racists, perhaps. You don't happen to be one of those?
Yes, thatâs exactly my point. Thank you for making it for me. To these OPs sources, it ALWAYS matters. The fact that it doesnât this time is weird, yes. What are you working for me? Proving my point for me? What do I owe you?
It only matters when it matters. If a white guy kills his wife, kids, neighbors, and a police officer they're not going to harp on his race because it doesn't matter. But if a white guy targets a black church and writes a manifesto about how black people are trying to eliminate the white race the media is going to talk about his race because it matters.
It's not the media that made race the central topic, it's the shooter.
A digital beer. :)
Probably because they do racially motivated shootings and leave manifestos citing the great replacement and adjacent theories as their motivations? Not every time, but certainly every time a white shooterâs race is mentioned. Youâre mad at them for accurate reporting because it doesnât fit your narrative.
Because there's already precedent with previous events that as soon as the shooter is identified, race is one of the first things the media goes for
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Why are you people so obsessed with the shooter's race? It's entirely irrelevant here.
Oh wait, I think I might know why...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000%E2%80%93present)
3 deaths 7 injuries ain't gonna get talked about for long
How many of these except the major ones still come up regularly
The point of the post is that the media isn't reporting on this, which is clearly not the case.
nobody was talking about the majority of the white school shooters either. only uvalde got coverage, the rest had their day in the news and went away. this isn't a black/white thing, this is "another day in murica" thing.
Which ones were not talked about?
Which non-uvalde ones did?
They literally never mention the race of the shooter. They mentioned the race of the victims in Buffalo, because the shooting was racially motivated.
however if the shooter was White we would NEVER stop hearing about it.
You mean how there's still wall-to-wall coverage of the 15yr old mass shooter in Raleigh 10 days ago? The only mention of his race was from the police in their identifying information. Here are two other follow ups to that story from CNN. The first identifies him as "white male juvenile" because that's the only information the police will release. The second doesn't mention race at all. Biden didn't mention race and has only called for gun control laws.
Race didn't matter in this shooting so it's not being talked about. In the cases where race does matter it's talked about. In those cases it's not the media that's making race the central issue of the shooting, it was the shooter themselves.
Wrong
Cnn article shows no pictures of Orlando Harris, so we are just to infer in this case, but not any others?
Infer what?
Infer that the shooter isnt white, because if he was, they wouldnt shut the fuck up about it for weeks and we would see their face everywhere. I despise the fact that they constantly show the face, regardless of what they look like, but its pretty obvious at this point how these are covered depending on if the shooter is white or not.
Itâs fascinating that people donât get this. Theyâll notice every time when itâs a white shooter but as soon as the shooter is black all we here is, âwhat do you mean!? Why would his race matter!?ââ So obtuse.
Its true. I was watching the nightly news last night with my wife as they went through the segment on this, and sure enough, zero mention of any real specifics about the shooter outside of his painfully weird note. It was obvious that he wasnt white when they made zero mention of his race, after they mentioned that the shooter killed a black woman.
Anything and everything about the shooter
His manifesto has been released if you care to see it.
I don't
I thought you wanted to know "anything and everything about the shooter." Or did you only care about the color of his skin?
I don't care about him, nor any other mass shooting lunatic. Just pointing out discrepancies in coverage that appear to be politically motivated.
So you only care about skin color?
The shooters names and pictures should never be publicized, don't give these sick fucks the attention they crave so much.
I completely agree, yet when it's a white shooter the mugshot is plastered everywhere.
Just noticing the difference in coverage
You're not wrong and maybe a little odd it's so hard to find a picture of the guy, but from what I've read he essentially has 0 online presence. For comparison the Uvalde shooter was literally posting on instagram and shit leading up to his shooting.
Hey but that doesn't fit what they want to believe
I was thinking this, too. I saw it all over my feed. A simple search confirmed this. Some people would like the point to be true.
Some factors go into media reporting school shootings. Two people died (3 if you include shooter). That's 2 too many, but considering just this year, there have been OVER 35 school shootings in which at least 1 person died and/or was severely injured, apathy will take hold. Besides Uvalde, how many do you remember?
But the media IS covering it. It was one of the main stories yesterday. It's still being covered with updates. It's not heavy click-bait if you compare it to Uvalde. And it keeps happening. And happening ...
Not one photo of the shooter in any of those articles. Why do you think they didn't include a photo?
I know you want me to say that it's because the shooter is black and turn this into a whole white victimhood thing, but the reality is that race wasn't a motivating factor in this shooting. Plus, I believe that the identities of shooters shouldn't ever be publicized in a way that might glorify them.
I note you didn't answer my question. I didn't say "is it a race thing or not?". I asked why the shooter's photo wasn't included in any of these news reports, even though it's typical to do so when this type of event happens.
Plus, I believe that the identities of shooters shouldn't ever be publicized in a way that might glorify them.
Nugatory. Rest assured, the MSM will include the photo of the next non-black shooter.
Thanks, there's that white victimhood I was waiting for.
EDIT: Oh no, the â blocked me. How will I ever go on?
Salty much? You actually think "non-black" = white? Who's the racist here? Sorry for highlighting the double standard of your post.
Thereâs no double standard, and that wasnât racism. Youâre not a victim. Grow up.
It's the assumption that non-black = white. You realise that there are many races that are non-black, right? Or have you forgotten about them?
Youâre not a victim.
Why are you putting victimhood on a pedestal? That one little statement says it all about you. "You're not worthy of being a victim". I never said I was one, but victim-status is clearly at the forefront of your mind, and you see it as a pecking order, and how dare anyone you perceive as "white" (and I've not even mentioned my race by the way, I'm actually mixed race) "cannot be a victim". LOL.
Not one of them have a picture of him though
I want to see this shooting on TV and I want them to treat it like Uvalde or San Bernardino. They won't though. And those you listed are all partisan/super biased websites that just parrot each other and lie by omission. Should I keep going?
The sad reality is that two deaths in St. Louis isn't going to get the same kind of coverage as 18 in San Bernardino and 21 in Uvalde (19 of which were young children).
Go go go!
I live in St Louis. About 80 percent of local news coverage is focused on the shooting. I'm watching ABC national news now, it's one of the main topics.
But he's not white so take that, you fiend!
But I thought school shooting were all fake so they can use them take ya guns away?So reporting on this would help that?
Cant have it both ways? Which one is it?
You're not wrong, but let's not overlook the fact that he accurately views the media as his accomplice that will make him famous.
Had he been the correct skin color, the media would be salivating to make sure he's more famous than Eli Dickens.
I don't think this was technically a mass shooting as only 3 people died. I think the threshold is either 4 or 5.
The definition of mass shooting gets changed to fit whatever agenda the person using it is pushing.
In most cases its 3 or more victims(that could mean either killed or injured) so in this case it definitely would meet the definition.
He showed up with 600 rounds, shot half a dozen people, and only killed 2 because the police killed him within 10 minutes. It was an attempted mass shooting.
I heard there was a shooting there but wondered why no news on it
Now I know
There have been 46 mass shootings in October alone. We don't get bombarded with nonstop coverage of every shooting. But ignoring that, OP is still full of shit and just trying to capitalize on a tragedy to drive a narrative. There have been new posts and updates from major news organizations about the shooting just about every hour since it went down.
There has been tons of coverage of the shooting
Yeah a quick google search and all the âmainstreamâ news sites have covered it between 20 hours ago and 2 hours ago.
But what you gotta do to try and preform mental gymnastics to prove that this culture war is a real tangible thing and not just a manifestation to take your eyes away from the actual problems at handâŚ
It wonât get the coverage that Texas did because the cops appear to have actually done their job. Itâs being covered like every other mass shooting, and with the normalization of it.
Exactly. They also released his name and face about 4 hours after the shooting. Iâm starting to think there are people actively trying to push a larger racial divide in this sub. There was another guy last week ONLY posting racial non conspiracy crap for days before he disappeared once everyone called him out.
Iâm starting to think there are people actively trying to push a larger racial divide in this sub.
You're just starting to think this?
Lol I guess I should say itâs being far more common now in this sub.
That's probably fair. I would be interested to see if it started happening more after the Donald got banned and they immigrated to this sub.
I think disinformation and manipulators like to trawl the conspiracy subs because most here are already highly suspicious of the everyday complacency we witness. So it might be easier to taint the mental fortitude of those already on the cusp of believing in their own persecution complex.
Not really. First I'm hearing of it and I follow current events pretty closely
Dude, and I say this respectfullyâ get the fuck out of here. A simple search shows you clearly havenât been paying as close attention as you claim. Type his name in any search engine or the location of the shooting and literally hundreds of articles pop up from all across the US and even a few UK and Canadian sites. Youâre bullshitting
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This post was the first Iâve heard of it. But I only watch the today show every morning for the first 15 minutes of headlinesâŚ
"News don't talk about this" has always been a simple manipulation tool of people, who don't know what the news say.
Itâs literally the top story on CNN. This may be stupid post of the day.
Thats weird.. been on Australian news a sure lot lol Even showed his photo.. so the fuck is your photo talking about?
Not surprising in Australia since they took your guns decades ago, no gun narrative to push or use so they'll report shootings normally.
We have guns and can own guns lol you yanks are so clueless it hurts. I own 4 different guns.. the difference is the process of getting them.
You serious right now? You're really nailing in the Americans are dumb of you think we cant keep guns.
The reality is that 2 people murdered in a mass shooting is basically a regular day in America.
You have to get a higher body count to get real media coverage.
Gee, why wouldn't they make a dude famous for shooting people LIKE HE ASKED FOR?
Ah, racial and political division, coupled with reliance on the mainstream media. The cornerstone to any nutritious distraction đĽąđ´
Sounds like basically every other shooter...
I sense lies. I live not far from here, no need to go out of state to buy a gun.
If all of this is true and this kid committed a mass shooting in hopes of becoming nationally famous, wouldn't we be fulfilling his wish by broadcasting him? Additionally, wouldn't this reinforce similar cases in the future? Help me understand.
Isnât weird these guys always have manifestos?
Before the St louis blues/ Winnipeg Jets game last night (in Winnipeg) there was a short moment of silence before the game to remember the lives lost etc. from this incident. I had watched both evening newscasts (local news though)before the game and had no idea what they were talking about.
I heard about it right after it happened and throughout day from various mainstream sources (was waiting for mom at drs office and then later at her house with news on) as well as various notifications on phone?
Maybe you should check other channels. Itâs been making the rounds on most main stream media.
OP posts a picture saying news about this shooting was barely published, while everyone in here is posting articles published yesterday and very recently today.
Y'all are crazy
Black people are humans like anyone else. This stuff angers me. There is no difference between our brains. (Male , White)
ye about to bring this up in his next interview
Carefully worded tweet. I saw stories about the shooting in St. Louis all over the place, but I can't disprove that those stories were featured only between noon and 1pm. Maybe it's your sources, OP.
Another shooting organised by yours truly govt most likely to erase somebody that was making a real change, like that black cop that invented a car that runs on water.
As long as the media keeps deifying these pieces of shit, it is going to keep inspiring copy cats. Should be a total blackout of shooters name, face, manifesto, ideological reasoning etc.
I literally just saw this story on local news with a picture of the gun man. You sir are a bullshitter
IDK what you are talking about my local news 1000+ miles from Missouri has been talking about it for the last 2 days. I think its not getting 24/7 coverage cuz he only killed 2 people. You gotta hit the Teens before it makes Sandyhook and Marjorie Stoneman-Douglass levels of coverage.
I love this anti-black rhetoric acting like this wasn't on the news because he's black when in fact it's literally because the number of deaths don't even classify as a mass shooting because the shooter only killed 2 people, 3 dead with the shooter. It was in the news too, but it wasn't uplifted like uvalde because in uvalde there were 19 fucking children killed.
A lot of you dumbasses don't seem to understand that there are daily shootings in america that never get uplifted to the same level as the massacres.
Right, Randy Stair killed three ppl and then himself at the supermarket he worked at and it didnât get much coverage because of the amount of ppl who died. He was a young white man.
The whites sure have it hard in America. Can't even kill a few npcs without the liberal media jumping all over your dick.
Everybody knows a school shooter's name the day after. Not this guy though. Just ask someone you know what his name is
Orlando Harris. Itâs in multiple reportsâŚ.
Nah dude. Normal people never really scramble to know the shooterâs name. Without google, could you name any of the several dozen mass shooters from just this past year? Just going to let you know, if you can, youâre the fucking weirdo here.
I was referring to school shooters not mass shooters.. Try to keep up. I know it's difficult. Sorry to interrupt you from fondling yourself to pics of dead Palestinian kids. But you do you.
Way to be a disingenuous prick.
School shooters then. Could you name the last three school shooters?
Doesnât change anything about the rest of my comment by the way.
Did you just challenge the user to name names, then pre-empt his ability to by calling him a weirdo?
Yes.
He suggested everyone always knows the school shooters name. I pointed out how stupid that claim is because 1, this guy probably canât name the last three, and 2, because normal people donât know that stuff. It would be genuinely alarming if he did.
Alarming that he pays attention, and retains the information past the headline?
Yes. It would be alarming if he knew a bunch of mass shooters off the top of his head. Why the fuck are you acting like it wouldnât be? Just looking to argue with someone you disagree with? Well itâs not really working. Youâre not getting me to go back on anything I said, because what I said is true.
If someone could name bunch of baseball players, it would be fair to assume theyâre a baseball fan. If someone can name a bunch of school shootersâŚ. Alarming.
You talk a lot. Naming shooters=paying attention. Same as we should be able to name the victims, or stfu
I have nothing against knowing the victims, youâre just being disingenuous if youâre saying itâs normal or good to remember every shooter.
Youâre also shifting the the conversation away from the initial premise. This is the comment I replied to.
Everybody knows a school shooter's name the day after. Not this guy though. Just ask someone you know what his name is
Ask literally anyone you know if they can name the Uvalde shooter. I guarantee any straw poll would show an almost unanimous majority of people have no idea. Itâs not a detail that normal people cling to. So besides being flat-out wrong, the original commenter also shows heâs a weirdo. That, or heâs just being disingenuous, and knowingly made a bullshit claim to push his bullshit narrative that this shooting is being treated differently.
Nah it was and is in the news.
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They already banned masks in Hong Kong during their protests in 2019. Probably partially because people were using inexpensive gas masks to protect against tear gas, and also to ensure every protestor's face can be identified. Scary stuff.
I would've thought the price of body armor would go down now, seeing as it didn't do him any good.
Get this racist shit out of here. It was all over the news that day. Body count wasn't high enough for it to be discussed for longer.
It really depends on how the local police and news media handle the situation. They likely didn't blow this out because it's exactly what he wanted.
There has been tons of coverage of this shooting - the real disparity is not that the shooter is black (which I agree may not fit certain political narratives) but that two people being murdered with another five or whatever injured is hardly mentioned on the news anymore.
Source: live in St. Louis and it is utter chaos daily
Good! These shitty incels donât need a platform.
Itâs unfortunate and a societal side effect for sure.
No friends, No loved ones.. but they want to be seen and heard
They are invisible to Society.. but they want a place. They hate the world around them, but they want to be a part of it..
He broke the federal law going across state lines. We donât need more laws, they need more help
Looks like it's been covered plenty actually
First I heard of it đ¤ˇââď¸
Same, but I dont watch TV
Same
It was on the morning news here in Fort Worth
Small hat people things
The people who run this page seem like the type of undercover racist that hate when white people get put in a negative light so they make a big deal to always speak on how black people get away with certain things in the media just from being black. When truly thatâs not the case. If they looked a little outside of their âboxâ (predominantly white pages) theyâd see that there often is a equal level of accountability on both sides, and white people are constantly seen in the wild acting clearly different towards black people.
Bingo. The flip side to the media supposed âlovingâ mass shootings when the shooter is white are the people that hand wave shootings away till the shooter is anything other than white.
That's a lot of projection, you must be a democrat voter or even a politician.
What is this person on about? I have been seeing it everywhere on social media.
The story was pushed to my phone
Interesting. This goes along perfectly with their gun control narrative. But the fact that he was black really throws a wrench in things, huh. Crazy times.
This is a textbook mass shooting, no different than all the other ops that the media loves to talk about. Curious that they don't want to talk about this one, because they have a myth that they need to keep alive.
So just because YOU didn't hear about it, it wasn't reported on? Pretty dumb take.
This post is simply false, where all did you search for the news, OP? I learned about the shooting on the nightly news yesterday, the same day it happened. I think it was PBS News Hour. Also Democracy Now covered it.
Just googling âMike PeinovichââŚ
Oh, oh dear.
âMichael Enoch Isaac Peinovich more commonly known as Mike Enoch, is an American neo-Nazi, antisemitic conspiracy theorist, Holocaust denier, blogger, and podcast host. He founded the alt-right media network The Right Stuff and podcast The Daily Shoahâ
Did you get notifications on your phone from all the news outlets? I got tons of notifications for Uvalde. I got zero for the shooting yesterday.
2 deaths vs 22? Is 2 deaths even considered a mass shooting?
I got notification when it was only two reported deaths.
So what is the argument? You only think news happens when you get actively dinged by your phone? It is being suppressed because you personally didn't get a phone notification? There are articles all over the news
He missed a lot. The entire school and neighborhood is traumatized still.
Uvalde was the deadliest school shooting in this countyâs history. Honestly, you people are irredeemable. The world would genuinely be a better place without you.
Fine donât address the point. We got Uvalde shooting notifications as it was happening and there were two reported deaths. Sure it grew from there but youâre not getting it.
Youâre so full of shit dude. We didnât get notifications right when it started. Letâs just pretend that youâre not full of shit though⌠whatâs your point? The shooter wasnât even white. You people are just so disingenuous it hurts. When any other shooting happens, you âconservativesâ bitch and moan about how the news shouldnât give so much attention to the situation. âCanât we just mourn the loss? Why are people politicizing this tragedy?â
Every time itâs a black guy though⌠totally different story. Youâre not fooling anyone.
Sorry but this is not helpful either. If you decide someone or a whole group of people are irredeemable where can you go from there. We all need to work a little harder at persuasion and empathy
Yeah I used to think that was true, and I do still believe in empathy and persuasion with almost every other issue. Not this one though. Not anymore.
Thereâs nothing that could possibly be more persuasive than elementary school kids getting deliberately mowed down. Thereâs no level of empathy I can have for the people who see that happen over and over again, and continue to argue against solving the problem. 19 kids got killed in Uvalde, and these people argued we need more guns. I donât think any of these people actually believe that would solve the problem because reality proves them wrong. The Secret Service doesnât allow guns at political events because political posturing doesnât hold up when lives are actually on the line. All these people understand that the only real way to ensure no one gets shot is to remove guns from the equation completely. Thereâs no way to persuade someone who isnât arguing in good faith, and itâs impossible to have empathy for people that wonât acknowledge reality.
So we reward the shooter that can kill the most people just because?
Well 22 vs 2 is more newsworthy. Hence more coverage..
Yeah thatâs totally what I said.
Just fucking pick one dude. Do you want the media to talk about mass-shootings or not? Sure seems to me like this conservative cess pit never wants to talk about them, because we shouldnât politicize a tragedy⌠except when the guy is black.
Everyone sees right through your bullshit. Why donât you fucking losers just come out say what your really think?
I think senseless deaths like this of any magnitude, especially of children in such a setting, should be mourned and examined in detail more so than what so and so politician is doing.
Thereâs really not much to examine. Weâre the only country that has this problem. Thereâs one very obvious factor.
Itâs not a zero sum game either. Journalists can and should report on these tragedies and also report on what politicians are doing and saying. The two issues are very closely linked, and since politicians literally write the laws that govern our lives, we should absolutely be made aware of what theyâre doing.
You might think you sound wise. You donât.
Yesterday on CNN's website, I scrolled through finding the death of some LGBT actor of higher importance than children getting shot. I saw Biden saying something silly the top of Fox news. My point is if twenty kids died, that would be top for a few days but it shouldn't matter if one kid or twenty died, it's a tragedy for us all. However, except on local news, yesterday these other things took priority.
I live a couple minutes away from this school. My kids go to school nearby. My family that lives a couple hours away didn't even know about this until today. They heard about it but just thought it's another shooting in STL, at another black school, sad. They didnt know the location. My neighbors kids go to the school and are shaken up. There's lots of details here missed by msm that I get to hear from people very close to this. I'm now realizing this is very likely true for all things like this. I see something on the news but it paints a very simple picture of what happened.
I agree msm should report on all news. How is our children killing each other not more important? The biggest discussion of this is on STL subreddit and the conspiracy subreddit. What does that tell you?
It tells me this shit happens entirely too often. It tells me people donât really give a shit anymore. It tells me most people would probably say only two dead kids doesnât really move the needle anymore.
Whatâs the fucking point? One side of the isle doesnât want to address the very obvious cause, so this shit will absolutely continue to happen. Nobodyâs shocked any more. Nobody wants to spend every week mourning dead kids. They want kids to stop getting fucking slaughtered.
We saw 19 elementary school kids get torn to shreds only a few months ago, and half the fucking country argued we need more guns. Iâm terribly sorry that youâre dissatisfied by the coverage that every national news outlet gave to this incident, but the sad truth is that we live in a fucked up country where this stuff just isnât uncommon. Do you know the details of the dozens of other school shootings that happened this year? Can you even name three of them off the top of your head? Then lose the bullshit righteous attitude and stop disagreeing with anyone who actually wants to solve the problem.
You have the righteous attitude. Give me the right answer you claim to have.
Take away the guns. Problem solved.
Let's just make murder illegal too while we are at it.
Canât say I got them for either but the supposition op made was it was being swept under the rug. I donât see that happening here. As for Uvalde, that tragedy had an extra salaciousness to it because of the behavior of the police. Not saying there isnât editorial bias in our media I just donât think the agenda is what you all seem to think it is.
I do agree. Itâs being talked about but nowhere near as much. Obviously uvalde was fucking terrible from the perspective of the victims and the police response. However, I got notifications immediately from AP, KXAN (local station), and Apple News. They all reported 2 deaths at the time. Yesterday I had no idea it even happened
Nonsense, I havnt seen a single story about this yet.
https://youtu.be/J9rl-k1R_zM
Aired yesterday at 6pm. Story around the 8m mark. You should subscribe they do a pretty fair job at covering the news.
Last school shooting I saw everywhere constantly. This is definitely not as covered
We see what we want to see I guess. You can go search YouTube and see stories from yesterday by all the major stations in the USA. đ¤ˇđťââď¸
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NPR is literally covering it as I read yâallâs BS. It amazes me that with all of the real, in the open conspiracies and collusion by powerful people and organizations, so many here would rather distract each other with made up outrage. Itâs almost as if thatâs the pointâŚâŚ
"why is the media covering up this plane crash? they talked about 9/11 for months!"
there have been school shootings of similar damage with similar coverage, comparing them to the most deadly recent school shootings instead of school shootings of comparable size is disingenuous
Yea If you search it you see it. The last major shooting was shoved down our throats, every channel everyday
âItâs not being covered because I didnât watch the coverageâ
Thatâs what Iâm hearing.
I didnât search the story, because I didnât know it happened. I didnât know it happened, because it wasnât covered as extensively as the other mass shootings. Was this shooting on the news, maybe. Was it on any news I was reading? No. Is it still being talked about on the news, front page of Reddit, in congress pushed for gun reform? No itâs not.
They were literally just discussing it on NPR 2 minutes ago. You've made up your mind and now are looking for angles to make it fit.
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I swear half the Comments on the conspiracy subreddit are feds. Itâs wild
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Its honestly a conspiracy in itself
Which one was that?
The media will only report on news that fits its narrative, and they are paid well to do that by their owners.
This was literally the top story on all the national news broadcasts last night. Stop lying to advance your preconceived narrative.
With no mention that he's black
why does it matter that heâs black? he and others killed innocent people
You're not so smart. I don't give a shit what color he is. But when a white guy is the shooter it's the first thing they mention. Maybe mention neither.
Wrong. They mention race when its relevant to motivation. Was this guy targeting people based on race?
Wrong it's almost never relevant
Got an example of reporting on a school shooting where race wasn't a factor but was highlighted? Because I don't think you do.
Well was this racially motivated? Or is it just a description of the killer?
yeah thatâs true. iâm from stl we were watching the news i never heard anything about the shooter. i saw on reddit he was 19 or something thatâs it
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Only stupid people think that
Ok so what would you like to talk about?
All the security they had at the school? Because they had a lot â and it didnât stop the shooter.
You talking about the 7 unarmed security personnel?
Minimum wage workers. That's security in schools. I wonder if they had police alarms. New high tech security protocols... Literally a blue fire alarm.
What? It was the main story in NBC nightly news. That's as large as it gets...
dude, it was front page of google news while I was eating lunch today. get bent
Thatâs odd because I know of several that were posted the day it happened. Buddy must have those âbiased glassesâ
Not a conspiracy, just ignorant lies.
I saw plenty about this. Why lie?
It's literally all over every news site. "Never heard a peep" my ass
It's not because he's black, it's because they can't exploit it as much as other shootings because not as many people died and they weren't elementary students.
Are you making the claim msm treats white and black mass shooters the same ? Regarding media coverage.
I don't think white or black has anything to do with it, the only thing msm cares about is the death toll and where the attack happened.
Although it wasn't a shooting, the Waukesha parade attack was national coverage for weeks. Another black murderer.
You can't be this stupid, can you?
You are not being honest. It's obvious msm creams their pants when an incel goes on a shooting spree. When it's a black person it's covered for a day and memory holed. Oh yeah is that why so little coverage over his shit show of a trial? And they put filters on him to look whiter.
Maybe bec he wrote that he wanted to be famous and they donât want no smoke from that
Text 10 family members and ask them if they've heard about the shooting or seen any coverage about it. I'm guessing very few, if any will have, but keep acting ignorant because article's were written online.
If the average person hasn't heard about it, how are they supposed to search for the articles. A lot of people who are online a lot didn't even know about it. I'm sure most boomers and people who don't use the internet much have no clue.
It's not about picking a political side, it's about common sense and right vs. wrong.
This is horseshit. Itâs been all over the news
How are so many avid "researchers" in this sub, so completely incompetent when it comes to "the media"? This story is everywhere. How bad do you have to be at the internet to think no one is covering this?
It's all over the news and news websites, don't pretend that it's a secret shooting when is wasn't.
Or could it have been because providing national coverage would give him exactly what he wants, showing other potential shooters that this is a valid way to gain infamy?
Itâs not weird at all when you realize it doesnât fit the narrative those who control the media are trying to portray.
The uvalde shooter was Hispanic and that was huge news for months. Iâm confused what narrative youâre referring to.
And they called him white (and a white supremacist)
The uvalde shooter was Hispanic
I dunno man... the picture CNN has of him... he looked albino with the amount of editing they did.
It's been all over the news. School shootings happen almost every week. The next shooting typically takes the spotlight.
"Because the shooter was black."
Or because mass shootings seem to happen about once every 15 minutes in the States and become less new worthy with every one that happens.
Damn and an AR was involved? You know they are pissed they can't use this one.
Right. Sure. I read about it on Reddit when it happened and witnesses said the shooter is white.
Wow, a full on lie! Coverage is everywhere. This is obviously posted as an attempt to sway people's emotions and nothing else. The irony? It's being posted in a conspiracy forum. What the hell is the use of a conspiracy forum if people are just gonna start their own campaigns directly at us?
This is a prime example of people trying to program you. "Don't believe your eyes, believe this asshole instead!" /s
Why do I have a feeling democrats are responsible for these shootings?
Right before midterms no less, I've always felt the same way, historically most shootings usually happen within the bounds of the political calendar.
If it ainât whyt it donât fly
It was covered plenty, get out of your bubble and find real news sources.
And he only killed 3. That counts as minor news in today's gun-ridden America.
You just sound racist af.
âOnly killed 3â Ok I have seen headlines of mass shooting where just 2 were killed
have you? so what?
You know exactly what you misogynist
No, I don't, which is why I asked. And clearly you don't either, which is why you didn't answer.
Also funny that you don't know what "misogynist" even means.
Do more, I'm loving this exchange!
Bigot!!!
the extra exclamation points make it true!!!! and I have more so now you're wrong hahaha!!!!!
Weird that this didn't get coverage considering the government really needs a distraction from the recession and the inflation and the Russians
Why do these freaks choose schools. It simply doesn't make sense. Why always is it fucking schools? Kids? I don't buy it for a second
On a side note... how is 1 rifle and 600 rounds an "extensive arsenal"
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/25/us/st-louis-school-shooting-tuesday/index.html
In other words, this shooting was like most of the others in St. Louis County?
Not surprised
What do you mean? Most shootings that happen in st lous County are drug related and an incredibly few amount happen at schools... also, why do you bring up st louis county since this happened in st louis city?
Black shooter
Another day, another fake event. Just another eyes-off event to keep our attention away from the ongoing vaccine crime against humanity.
It was like that with the Umpqua Community College shooter in Oregon, too. In the immediate aftermath, the sheriff had a press conference where he announced that they wouldn't identify the shooter, allegedly because they didn't want to make him famous. It later came out that he was black on his mother's side.
Oooofta. Where is Black Lives Matter? We should hyper-link-bomb all the BLM leaders.....
Weird, they didnât take him alive and unharmed like the white shooters. đđĽ´
This ainât even a conspiracy: The media loves everything that follows their agenda and hates everything that doesnât
40th school shooting of 2022
I received 3 different news alerts. Definitely widely publicized not sure what rock y'all are living under
Or its gotten to a point in America where unless a mass shooting reaches over 10 its not reported
Doesnât fit the yellow journalism agenda comâon man
There's too many school shootings in America to have it be national news every time or people would become numb to it, they only cover the big ones. I'm sure it had absolutely nothing to do with his race and that is a huge jump to make
Because they have an agenda to demonize white men, I see it as a black guy.
They demonize themselves, stupid as they are these days.
I heard he was arrested.
His heart was arrested with bullets.
I guess that's what you get for white privilege.
I started keeping track between April and May and had at least 5 mass shootings by black guys from the NY subway, the DC sniper (another one), the Dallas guy shooting asian businesses, the shooting in a SC mall, and another one in LA. Most of the cases also involved black guys shooting people that were of a different ethnicity, namely Asian. And the media preferred to cover the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial.
every single time
Would have taken your dumb ass 20 seconds to Google this and see the dozens of news stories about this shooting. I swear every day this sub gets more and more stupid.
If this was a white kid it wouldâve made headlines for weeks. Not trying to play the race card but every news source is trying to divide us.
Maybe it's not reported because he wanted to be notorious and reporting gives him what he wanted?
The media promotes and encourages mass murder of people who resist the Axis of Epstein's quest for world domination everyday. It is only when it happens to their puppets, it becomes a "tragedy."
I live in St. louis and was monitoring the articles and news and not one mention of the shooter being black. Thatâs so frustrating!!
There was a shoote rin Texas a year or two ago that also went to a drama and arts high school. His family had a lot of money( not sure from where) but were absentee apparently and he lived with his grandmother. I heard a few suggestions they were informants for the feds in drug trafficking circles. That was just speculation. I can see kids being groomed by the deep state in situations like that. Do they have schools that teah kids how to be crisis actors now?
But I also had to groan and laugh at the same time when I heard the narrative about what an awesome job the police did in responding to the shooting and how they were so quick to confront and stop the gunman. They were real heroes. Where did we hear that before?
https://news.yahoo.com/orlando-harris-everything-know-st-145205780.html?guccounter=1 doesnt say he was black,,,any link showing the shooter ?
MSNBC has had little to no coverage of the darrel brooks trial.
What platform is that? Truth social? Mastodon?
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Couldn't tell, it looks weird. I don't have a truth account and I use Tusky for Mastodon once in a while so I didn't really know
Itâs just not newsworthy. Look at the data.
What??? Only white people do this kind of shit??? Absolutely not any kind of people now a days do this and it is spreding. Be on your toes!!!
Mike Peinovich aka Mike Enoch
Thatâs a name Iâve not heard in a long timeâŚ.
What platform is this, Parlor?
Its on the news...
Sailer's Law. More wounded than killed almost always correlates along racial lines.
I mean personally I heard this multiple times playing the news at 9pm before I headed into work the day it happened (I have my Google home play news from various mainstream sources w different political leanings) seemed like the feature story for most of them and all of them mentioned his race
No they came out with some BS article back in May/June saying the 'new guideline' for mass shooting is 4 dead. Which is fucked in itself, but what do you think they are making things up as they go or something? We are doomed :/
Horse manure. I heard about it outside this time frame.
Weird that the schoolâs code for a shooter is âMiles Davis is in the buildingâ
What manifesto? I havenât found anything
It was a note...not a manifesto.
Yeah but isn't this a false flag to take away guns? Why would the media not write the stories they were paid to write?
We can afford to send billions to Ukraine, but we canât afford one K9 cop at each school?
Or maybe theyâre trying not to grant his dying wish? Thatâs what Iâd do: git rekt in the after life, bitch
idk about the news but the fact the school was locked had armed security and metal detectors was on the front page of reddit
'Miles Davis is in the building'. Damn..
That means we didnt give him what he wanted
Thereâs plenty of coverage of this shooting I just searched mass shooting and it was all my top results. They try to deliberately minimize details about the perpetrators in these events because it leads to copycats like this monster who idolize these shooters.
Also in the manifesto it wasnât racially motivated, so why are posters trying to make the race a thing?
But isn't every school shooting a false flag anyway?
Always what u aint suppose to read.. a manifesto.
PsychOP for racewar/divide & conquer? mayb
Do you remember the shooting at YouTube HQ? It also did not fit the political narrative. It was also swept under the rug pretty quickly.
Sack said a call came in from the high school for an active shooter at 9:11 a.m. and officers arrived on scene four minutes later. Anybody think thatâs a odd time giving all the attention in the news about the family having info on 9/11 not saying this was connected but somehow this this number is some sort of bad omen
This was not a planned event. This dude was a copycat (all on his on) because the media would have been all over it. The police would have been later and told to stand down
Angry black guy Orlando Harris.
Could someone toss me an article? I be at work.
wow
Also there 7 security guards on site, all are armed.
oh shut the fuck up already you fucking loon. come back to reality.
The media is only about anti-white hatred.
Overshadowed by the Michigan shooter pleading guilty. So the current shooter of color gets 5 seconds of news. The white shooter from December 2021 is in every headline about recent shootings.
If there ever was a story that was truly black and white, this is it.
They didn't cover it because the school was locked, had armed security and a mass shooting still happened.
Showed all politician's weak response lip service solutions are all garbage.
This is not why it wasnât covered. Its because there were 3 full-time security guards, all locked doors, metal detectors, and a fast police response. Itâs impossible rn to prevent school shootings⌠outside of some gun restrictions.
msm memes
The media are the ones literally causing the shootings.
They have to deflect that and blame everything on thing else; otherwise they would lose advertising revenue and their stock would tank.
This is legit the first I heard of it
All for nothing
I just canât trust any source when Reddit is just running through here deleting comments. obviously a reason and we all know why. Purveyors of misinfo want to be the ones to tell you what is fact. Once a liar, always a liar unfortunately.
Interesting point. I heard nothing..
I thought that was pretty fucked up also. I only saw it from an online post no news
Half way through was blah blah blah until I heard black. Normalization is working.
Itâs a fake narrative, a lie. Most, if not all, of the news nowadays is orchestrated and being put out to sway public opinion.
It will absolutely play a part in the government soon taking the guns away from Americans so that nobody can put up a fight with the government in end times.
If this concerns you remember God protects you much more than a gun could. Unfortunately the government knows many wonât be relying on faith and they will take advantage of the unbelieving.
Isaiah 54:17
No weapon formed against you shall prosper, And every tongue which rises against you in judgment You shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, And their righteousness is from Me,â Says the Lord.
"We are sorry that a young man with mental health issues was able to gain access to an assault rifle and we could not keep you safe," Davis said. "All we can do is join with you in mourning. Alexzandria Bell, the dancer with the illuminating smile, and Mrs. Jean Kuczka, the teacher that loved and was beloved â we will never forget them." Lol gaslighting at its finest đ
What is striking to me is that the article reads like any "stereotypical" shooting. It literally feels like a copy+paste.
We're so numb to all of this. Just a regular day.
Sad. This makes me really sad.
The censorship is getting out of hand
The shooter was black so the next thing I automatically asked myself is were they shot and killed by the police? Yes, apparently 10 minutes later.
The lack of outrage I believe is not because the person is black, but the chances are if the shooter was white they wouldn't of been killed and might even get a Burger meal for their troubles, the outrage comes from they should've all been killed. Kill 23 in El Paso and arrested Vs kill 3 and neutralised and wonder why people aren't having the same outrage beggers beyond belief, people aren't raging because he's white, they're raging because he's not dead.
The shooter has been neutralised what more do you want?
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