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I feel like a chapter in my autobiography could be entitled, āPeople Iāve Tried to Tell About Timās Vermeer, Only to Later Find They Still Havenāt Watched It, So I Made Them Watch the Trailer Again.ā The movie is fantastic. I think about it all the time. You will not regret it. I will find you and force you to watch the trailer multiple times, so for both of us, please just watch the movie. Itās amazing!
Sold. Gonna watch it
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Mold. Gonna crotch it.
Fold. Gonna botch it.
Bold. Gonna launch it.
Rolled. Gonna splotch it.
Lolād. Gonna thot it.
Hold. Gotta grab it.
Cold. Gonna warm it
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This is great! Thanks so much.
Iāve just watched it andā¦.. sent it to all my friends. Thank you!
This was a really fascinating documentary and a way better use of my time than continuing to scroll reddit lol. Thank you for the link!
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Most people don't even realize the change in color temperature from outside to incandescent bulbs inside, to the point where they buy bulbs of different colors and put them in the same room and don't even realize it. It's not that Vermeer noticed it, it's that he was able to reproduce it's falloff as accurately as a computer simulation.
When a fixture takes two or more bulbs and someone has put two different colour temperature bulbs, find it quite jarring to the eye. Wouldn't believe it possible that people don't notice if I hadn't experienced with my own eyes
When a fixture takes two or more bulbs and someone has put two different colour temperature bulbs, find it quite jarring to the eye. Wouldn't believe it possible that people don't notice if I hadn't experienced with my own eyes
its me, im that person, and i'm aware of it and don't care.
Have you watched the movie, or are you commenting solely on the trailer?
Itās great. Worth a watch.
David Hockney did a great series on it also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-0UXBcjlRY
A lot of people think it devalues art, personally I think it makes these works even more magical. They are portals to see the past, a view now long gone. https://www.wikiart.org/en/johannes-vermeer/all-works#!#filterName:Genre_cityscape,resultType:masonry
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they address this in the movie, you have a particular art expert saying vermeer and his contemporaries never would've let it be known publicly they were using lenses because that would eliminate any of the mystique around the process and destroy their domination of the market. it's unempirical and ahistorical but entirely probable that a guy living in the lens-making capital of the world happened to use lenses for art that also happens to contain visual details and mistakes that could only come from a lens.
Hockney's claims are pretty well debunked by a fair number of reputable art historians. The details and mistakes that could "only" come from a lens are also plausibly deliberate artistic techniques. Among the problems for Hockney's idea are the fact that photorealistic paintings predate the development of lenses of any kind of optical quality, myriad instances of faulty analysis from a physics perspective, and the curricula from art studios of the time which led students to develop the ability to paint photorealistic portraits without lenses (techniques which are still used by some current portraiture schools).
I don't doubt that the camera obscura and camera lucida and other optical tools were employed by artists, but the claim that such things constituted their only or even primary technique isn't really supported by evidence.
i'd grant it's a combination of tools and technique yeah, definitely not what the movie presents of a total amateur just leaning on his tools. plus the guy going as far as grinding his own lenses and setting up the room to match the exact lighting conditions including a fake church tower out the window we never see is just precious.
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even if thats the case its fuckin sick we have tools now that can let a non expert with minimal training copy vermeer
Maybe watch the documentary first.
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Which part made you feel that way?.
The David Hockney doc has some pretty solid evidence, well worth a watch.
It's people who don't make art, who think art is about tortured geniuses putting their "soul" upon a canvas. Nah, artists are workers and there's a tool that will help me maximize my output and potential earnings, hell yeah I'm going to get in on that.
Up until the late 1800s with the rise of photography, most art was documentary in nature, as in recording people places and events and the history of modern art basically is once photography took over, people could explore nonrepresentation and the degrees of such.
I feel the same. I loved it.
Worth every second!
Convinced me, going to watch it now.
Iāll think about it.
Same here. I watched that movie, told everyone I knew about it, and not one fuckin person ever watched it. I've watched hundreds of documentaries in my life, and this is the best one. Their loss, not mine!
The only DVD where I reckon the commentary track is probably just as good as the main feature. Seriously impressive documentary IMO, whether Tim is right about Vermeer or not.
Hey, I know you haven't told me to watch it, but I've seen it and it's worth watching for sure!
And this has happened to be a lot, too
I just got tear eyed just by watching the trailer, so tomorrow for my Sunday I am going to have breakfast while watching this movie. Thanks so much for the recommendation.
Youāre gonna love it! Enjoy!!
This little speech worked on me.
Watched it.
Loved it.
Forcing everyone around me to watch it now.
Hey! That makes me happy. Well, my work is done hereā¦ Iām seriously glad you watched it, and thanks for telling me!
Update: watched it. Wow.
Thanks for the recommendation. The trailer looks amazing and now I really want to watch it.
Nice, I am totally going to watch this after seeing the trailer!
Also makes me think about Hans Holbein's "Ambassadors" and different possibilities about how he painted the skull. It was so dope to finally have the chance to see it in person and look at it from all kinds of weird angles.
I definitely watching it! This is so fascinating!
Done. Watching tonight.
Directed by Teller. I can just picture it.
"What should I do in this next scene?"
"ā¦"
"Got it. Thanks."
That was incredibly validating thank you so much ā¤ļø
Do you know where they have that movie to watch? I have Apple+, Netflix, HBO and Hulu
This is me at work every day lol.
Are you me?
Yeah! I've seen it a dozen times. It's super fascinating. . I love that it was open-ended in a sense, they leave you to decide whether this method was actually used. I mean, yes, it's highly likely that Vermeer did and that it's impossible to conclude it because there are no decisive evidence to back it up, but nevertheless. And I love that there was a historical aspect to this, and outside of the usual war history.
Teller is a great storyteller (heh), I would gladly watch more of his documentaries. I know that this was a one-off because they were friends with Tim Jenison, but still.
So I was just about to watch it when all of a sudden it was not on Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime Video, Apple TV+, Paramount +, Disney +, HBO Max, Showtime, or YouTube TV so I canāt watch it
But help me understand, since I've watched it. Tim claims to have figured it out, walks through how, but I don't remember him mentioning the tool presented in this post. Vermeer - October 1632 ā 15 December 1675. This tool was described in 1611 and patented in 1860... why wasn't it mentioned in the movie?
You and I are on the same page. I was surprised when I saw this post as I thought the film was basically him surmising Vermeer must have used a device, and then he put together the device we see in the film.
To be clear it seems to be a very similar optical system, however Tim Jennissonās setup is more for scenes/landscapes as opposed to close objects. But watch the movie for those who havenāt seen it!
In the start of the film his setup can only do close objects. Once he adds the mirror he can do the landscapes and room scenes in as much detail as Vermeer
Is it on any streaming service that you know of?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WPL7D0Ha1kQ&feature=share&si=EMSIkaIECMiOmarE6JChQQ
So, we're just going to ~~pirate~~ camera lucida it off of youtube?
I just googled it and it's been there for 3 years. Feel free to flag it if you morally object.
I will definitely report it. Just like I definitely didn't download it with youtube-dlp or torrent a higher resolution version.
Just watched it! Thanks for the link!
here is the original link to buy it. if you like documentaries, you will like it. i am totally not into it, and actually bought it and was very well entertained.
https://youtu.be/-4WE6uiR4nA
Was on Netflix
The movie is interesting, but I'm not too sure about how accurate it is. To an extent, vermeer probably did use some of those tools to aid him. But Tim believes that anyone could've been a vermeer, however there is a lot of artistry and thought put behind his paintings that not everyone could do. His ingenious use of color contrast/harmony, line weight/variance, and composition, to name a few, all lend to this overwhelming affect of light in his paintings. This cannot be achieved by just copying what you see because that won't translate well to a 2d surface. Vermeer had to decide what to leave out and what to accentuate in order to capture something true to the eye on a 2d plane.
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Which makes sense, when you consider the wide range of quality we see in people's photography/photo editing skills. Having a tool doesn't automatically make you good.
Also, Tim has a pretty extensive background in CGI, particularly lighting. Which has the same issues you mentioned of going from 3D to 2D. I'm sure that had a lot to do with not only his process but being able to see and notice things we wouldn't (chair, shades of white, the smiling seahorses ). Plus, dude has a steady hand and a ton of patience. No way I could do this.
Thanks! Will be watching it this evening! š
A Penn and Teller movie? I'm in MF
In the movie he essentially independently "invents" this (or a similar) device himself. I wonder if he was aware this thing from the OP existed?
I am halfway through the documentary and itās blowing my mind.
I have always loved Vermeer, and now I feel like I could make one myself!
Watched this two nights ago. I can't wait to watch it again. One of the most fascinating docs I've ever seen. The man is a genius in its purest form.
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It's seriously so good.
Camera obscura
Tim tried that. It didnāt work. Youād be overlapping colors.
Legendary video
Wow. Thank you
Eh, Michael & Us did an episode on that film recently. They weren't fans.
link? never heard of them
Amazing doc. Thanks for the recommendation. What a cool guy. I'm convinced this is how Vermeer painted. Not surprised it comes from a dude with a background in computer graphics/lighting. Him noticing that certain lighting and shading cant be picked up by our eyes definitely has something to do with his work in CGI. Good stuff.
I've watched this at least 6 times. Which is a lot for a documentary about a specific artist.
I actually clicked that link, watched the whole video twice, went to Amazon Prime and bought the movie.
Coooool. Iām watching
My father used this device while working at the comic industry in the 80ās, early 90ās. Itās a really beautiful piece of equipment.
I watch the channel Cartoonist Kayfabe and I find it fascinating learning all the special tricks and tools that working cartoonists on a tight deadline use. Some off the top of my head:
In the old days before Google Images they would have filing cabinets full of photos cut out of magazines and books, so that when, for example, they had to draw a scene inside an airport lounge they could get the Airport Lounge Folder out and copy from the photos.
There's a special very expensive artist's book (I forget the name) full of thousands of pictures of different facial expressions, so that if you have to draw, say, a surprised old man then you have a picture to copy the face from.
They use projectors and light boxes to trace images, mostly their own, but they often trace things from reference material and other artist's comic books to save time.
There's this strange plastic tool called an Ames Lettering Guide that cartoonists use to draw guidelines for their lettering.
A special paper called DuoShade where you use different chemicals to get both black and grey-toned lines into your drawing.
Zip-A-Tone sheets that you carefully cut out with an X-acto knife and place into your comic panel to get that special dot shading that you see so often in comics.
so incredibly cool
I had one of these when I was a kid. Thing was cool af to use I could literally draw anything and make it look way above my 12 year old selfs skill level
Soā¦where do I buy this?
I have seen a newer version of it called NeoLucida recently. Seems very cool
Mine was from hobby lobby
We have the tray part, but the other parts are missing. I wish I knew where they all were so I could mess with it
I got it as a Christmas gift one year. I haven't seen it in over a decade but I'm sure it's some where at my parents house or in a storage unit
I had something like this, too. But I found it to be more difficult than it looks.
This is true
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āIāll trace a chalk line around your dead fucking body, you fuck!ā
That was from a Kevin Smith movie right?
They kid, but inking is definitely a legitimate skill that can add a ton of style and life to the linework.
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Whatever, Pickle-Fucker
First time I've seen this.
r/shutupandtakemymoney
Camera lucida drawings aren't as easy as you think. Especially if your professor decides to fail you during the finals only because of having an external examination despite drawing them well all year round because of stupid college rivalries and ego maniacs.
r/oddlyspecific
No animosity there whatsoever.
Yeah, I am one of the 2 members of /r/lucida after I got a neolucida. Itās a novelty for talented artists, not average joes.
I canāt explain it well but itās still difficult to draw well.
If you draw people like this ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Donāt bother.
Yeah because you still need to know how to draw shadows and stuff
Ok that's it. I'm installing one of them AI art generator thing.
ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
You dropped this: \
Use a ~~double~~ triple backslash to have the arm show up.
Now that Iām looking closer at my own ĀÆ\(ć)/ĀÆ, my shoulders arenāt there. How are yours showing up?
Edit: fixed. Need triple backslash.
Probably the backslash that didnāt appear for the left arm allowed the underscore to stay present for the left shoulder and since the right shoulder didnāt have any other underscore besides the backslashed on, it remained too? So in otherwards triple backslash for the first arm so you get one arm and ignore the format underscore to leave it a regular underscore?
ETA:
Confirmed what I said. ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
ĀÆ\\\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Will print: ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
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The surgeon did a great job thankfully! With a bit of rehab, they will be back to 100% shortly!
It's appropriate given the context.
You need 3 backslashes, not 2
ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Thanks. That did it.
I think you mean one of 19š
There is a video of someone trying one and said it's fairly intuitive and everyone could pick it up
There are phone apps that replicate this.
"Fino - Camera Lucida" is free.
There was something like this in shark tank last year iirc if you wanted a ācheapā version
I mean, Crayola made one (the āSketch Wizardā). Also, easy to DIY!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTzqtMz0Y5c
OMG THis looks like a fun way to draw hentai D:
My kids have this! It's pretty cool.
You can do something similar with a plain sheet of glass: https://youtu.be/UEjYVeSiRww.
See my other comment. Maybe it was the neo lucida. I donāt recommend this tool unless you have some talent.
There used to be a catalog called āthings you didnāt know existed but couldnāt live withoutā or something like that.
They had this device that they sold that could project whatever you aim it at onto your desk. As a kid it was all I ever wanted. Never saw it again, didnāt really know what it was because that catalog was vague and they used a drawing of it āworkingāā¦ like you would see in old timey snake oil ads in newspapers.
Is that what this lucida thing is??
Look into Osmo
You can find some modern versions on Amazon:
It's like two mirrors and a piece of glass just make one
Damn, I have been lied to! I thought all artists had amazing photograhic memory and printer hands.
So I am an artist, I can essentially draw anything you put in front of me with close to photographic precision free hand.. however, it takes foreeeeeever and is exhausting the amount of focus you need to have. Once you master it, you dont need to prove you can draw to anyone, so then you seek shortcuts to get to the final image, which is the whole point of what the viewers see, not the process, especially if its an under drawing to a painting. It would be silly for me to free hand trace a complex scene over a week when in 3 hours I could project a photograph of it and trace. Its also important to note that the tracing a good drawing does not make, line quality, shading, composition, etc are all done after the fact and are 99% of it.
I truly appreciated this explanation about using the tool after mastering the art. I think the same, on a smaller scale, when kids want to use a calculator for math. I tell them learn the process and then use the calculator to assist not do the work for you.
I'm a professional cabinet maker. I use self centering rulers and fraction calculators and Google conversion and computer planning. Whatever I can do to not have to think.
That said, I can write the math without these aids, and I can work without CNC machines and robots. I learned how conventionally. But that's needlessly laborious when the end result is the same.
We had all our robot machines down for the past two weeks and that didn't stall production, so it is indeed good to know how first before "cheating" the process.
There's an ongoing battle of philosophy in trades regarding the use of aids versus "pencil and tape". I'm all about helpers.
picasso began with realism
it was ll pointy by the end
DaVinci had a camera obscura room so he could trace people.
I wonder how many people back then would have considered it cheating if they knew. I'm not sure how well known it was at the time.
Audio engineers and producers do the same thing. As long as you can āback up your BSā thereās no issue with taking shortcuts to save time creating 95% the same result. Time is money.
I tend to do my sketches with pencil and paper, then scan them to trace digitally when I'm working in that medium because for whatever reason I simply can't sketch as well digitally. Had someone give me crap about it and just laughed at them. Like dude- exactly what do you think I'd be doing with that sketch if I was using acrylic instead of my Wacom?
I'm not an artist, but I've done some drawing.
To reiterate what you've said, good line work is something to be appreciated. Tracing ain't the art. Lining it takes a steady, skilled hand.
I've practiced freehand sketching for the sake of practice, but making the time consuming focus be the sketch would be foolish.
Anybody calling out an artist for tracing should pick up a brush pen and try lining without looking like a drunkard shaking in the morning.
I can sketch, kinda, but canāt replicate it or draw whatās in front of me. Always screw up proportions and scale. Any advice how I could get over that hump?
schoolism[dot]com. i learned how to paint from nothing to pro during lockdown. painted every day tho.
Love schoolism and Bobby Chiu! One of my absolute favourites. Don't know if 90MAC is a thing still but used to do them weekly a while back when i had time, always a fun sesh.
Whereās the painting!
here are a couple older ones roundbrush study heavypaint study 20min studies sketches
From nothing to that in two years!? š
i did realize early on how important the fundamentals are and only focused on those. schoolism helped me understand that. for the first year i solely painted in black and white to really understand values. if you master values you can paint anything.
Pog
Hours and Hours and Hours of practice.
Get perspective notebooks with premade grids. Draw rooms to scale from floor plans.
You can lay out a floor plan on a flat grid with X centimeters per square and then directly scale that to spaces on the perspective sheet.
Just an idea. I like using grids and rulers.
Composition is the very last step lol
Yup fellow artist here, I can freehand anything and usually do for alot of my smaller paintings but on large canvases the projector saves so much time when creating the handful of faint lines that go under my painting.
I do alot of my composition sketches digitally especially working with clients where I'm making lots of changes based on feedback. Then will print my final sketch and use transfer paper to cut down on time getting my light sketch onto the paper before painting.
I can do all these things without these tools but they save time, which means I can be more productive and spend more time painting.
This guy arts.
As someone with Aphantasia, this always blows my mind. Even if I try to trace a human shape, it looks like a half-blind 5-year old did it.
This sounds exactly like the chef conundrum. I have a Sous who always complains she wants to use her knife skills but we have things like mandolins to make the process easier. We are a brewery turning over 200 tables on the weekdays, even with 4 prep people on each day using tools is necessary to meet production.
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So that's how they made those beautiful drawings in old books
... and new artworks, too. Most of the photorealistic work you see on Instagram, etc. was done using tracing aids (graphite transfers, light boards, projectors, etc.). You can find lots of YouTube reviews on the best or latest digital projectors for artists. You can also find channels where artists are quite honest about this practice (e.g. Alpay Efe).
The 'legitimacy' of tracing has been a big debate for centuries, including today!
I used the same technique to draw my son using the pen on my tablet. I've always considered myself poor at art yet it was surprisingly easy to draw a perfectly average picture.
I suppose the real skill is in turning that average picture into an amazing one.
I suppose the real skill is in turning that average picture into an amazing one.
Absolutely. Knowing what contours to trace and what to leave alone is a skill artists learn over time. Shading, colouring, etc. all require learned techniques.
Professional artists often trace because they're working on a production schedule (so to speak) and, in their view, the artistry is in the details, just like you mention. I'm not always sure I agree, but many historically 'significant' works of art were composed using tracing techniques and it's undeniably a tool in the artist's toolkit.
That's really interesting to know, I did a self portrait in high school and used a device like this. My mom entered it in the state fair (without my knowledge)and I won first prize in my division. It's always been my secret shame.
Hey, there's no need for you to feel ashamed at all!
The way that you produced your self portrait is similar to how Rembrandt composed his self portraits, for example. I don't know anybody who talks shit about Rembrandt. Some form of tracing is practically guaranteed to occur in representational or photo-realistic works. So don't feel shame; you can feel proud that you participated in, and actually contributed to, an artistic tradition and that others recognized your skill!
This is probably going to sound super silly, but this is kind of a huge weight off of me. I've been super critical of my art ever since and have barely continued. Thank you so much for the kinds words.
I had always wondered how they did the illustrations in the old sears catalogs, a lot of those were very detailed and accurate; or at least had the appearance of accuracy, particularly with ornate metal engravings like pocket watches.
It's also wild me that I had never heard of this before like a month ago. Would have helped a lot with some past projects!
Oh, I really want one of them now...
The guy who made the photo camera did so because this invention.
A version of this was just on Shark Tank last season
The LUCY
Your great great grandmother's a tracer!
Cocknocker!
If you can synchronize your hand to your eye movement, you can trace with the eye. The key in drawing something realistically is to look at it as much as possible.
Look at what you are drawing, not the drawing.
Make this sentence about shooting, instead of drawing, and you got the premise for an action hero movie
In a way, thatās how instinctive shooting works. It goes by feel. Iāve used a shepherd sling and you have to release the stone when the time feels right, and practice to build that sense.
Our ancestors were clever. We sometimes forget this.
Before we could take pictures, old school (and even some modern) embryologists used these to draw figures of embryonic stages in many species. Itās actually fairly common to teach use of a camera lucida in intro developmental biology classes.
Still glad I wasnāt a scientist back then though. Iām terrible at drawing, and using one of these isnāt as easy as it looks!
Looking back at those old papers the drawings and handwriting were exquisite!
Damn where can I find one?
I think I got mine from Dick Blick, but most major art supply businesses carry them. Not all brass like this, but works the same.
They say the Dutch Masters used these. In some of their paintings, you can see where the image is distorted, as it would be if using a camera lucida.
Itās still a matter of controversy but Vermeer in particular is always accused of that.
he came from the capital of optics and lenses and was able to massively leapfrog existing techniques. Those distortions you mention are subject to fierce debate.
I have always wondered about Van Eyck as well. There are parts of the Arnolfini wedding that make me wonder. Current theory is that the "bride" passed away before the painting was made, which is why her features are somewhat idealized compared to other elements of the painting.
Is this how biologists drew ridiculously perfect sketches of new life forms they discovered?
I still won't be able to draw at all even with this. Not even a tracing paper, or a widely spaced connect the dots.
This may be a little bit of a surprise, but drawing is NOT a talent. It is a skill, like learning a language, playing guitar, or writing a novel. Absolutely nobody can just draw without practice, and the more you practice the better you become. You cannot go backwards in skill when you practice drawing. Any artist whos any good has practiced many hours. You cannot draw because youāve never done it. Start doing it and you will improve.
Yeah, now I add little shadows to my stick people.
There is a level of talent involved in every human action.
Yeah, that's just your natural buff. You can still grind to as high a level as you want without it, it just takes longer.
Meh. Every ability is a skill that can be learned. IMO what people often call talent is just the ability to enjoy the process so you actually put in the practice instead of losing interest/getting discouraged and giving up. If you don't enjoy the process in the first place, it doesn't matter that it's a learnable skill. You simply won't be able to compete with someone who does enjoy the process and spends thousands of hours doing it for fun.
This isn't to say that there's no such thing as innate ability. In fact, finding you learn a certain activity faster probably helps fuel your enjoyment and motivates you to keep practicing, since it's way easier to stay motivated when you're getting faster results.
To be fair, my drawing skills did improve with just casual trying, and maybe with age? And I'm aware that given time, effort, and focus, I can and will be able to draw at an acceptable level. "I can't draw" is maybe just a shorthand for "Right now I can only draw barely recognizable objects and I don't see myself having enough time, will, inspiration, motivation, and practical reason to practice drawing in the foreseeable future." Little by little maybe.
You cannot go backwards in skill when you practice drawing.
Challenge accepted.
Have you checked that you're holding the pencil the right way round?
You mean I can't just use a chicken bone?
r/specializedtools
How can you patent something thatās nearly 200 years old?
From the wikipedia article:
The camera lucida was patented in 1806 by the English chemist William Hyde Wollaston. The basic optics were described 200 years earlier by the German astronomer Johannes Kepler in his Dioptrice (1611), but there is no evidence he or his contemporaries constructed a working camera lucida. By the 19th century, Kepler's description had fallen into oblivion, so Wollaston's claim was never challenged.
Thanks for that!
Video originally from Youtube Mathieu Stern. He has a full video on it and many more of weird and interesting photography lenses and tools.
check out the documentary ātimās vermeerā
Isnāt this u/mat0fr
it is , nice to see my work got stolen and I got no credit.
I can guarantee it'll look like shit still if I drew with it.
Thereās an app on apple devices by the same name. Itās amazing.
Oh?
Tell me more.
Whatās it called?
Not the original guy but looking up Camera Lucida shows the top result is āDa Vinci Eyeā a $10 app that looks to do basically this with AR
Osmo
Camera lucidia on the AppStore by Peter Moeykens. Iām not sure how much it is now but when I got it it was like $4.99.
Hey but really OP you should check out the subreddit I just told you about since all you post is tools
Omg. Two new favorite subs to explore!! Thank you u/toolgifs & u/HankHillsBigRedTruck š
Also there was camera obscura
digital drawing with layers is 10x better, this thing is actually kinda harsh to use
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You can transfer 3d objects?
So cool!
I feel like this would give me a major headache
And we still used this in my uni
My highschool teacher had one of these.
Can anyone ID the statue or know where I can fine one?
I'm not sure of the statue in the video but I know there is a huge one in New York that was gifted to the US by France.
That just seems like tracing with extra steps
Projector for Lucida drawings or a camera for artists
Where can I find this to buy?
neolucida.com
What about the version that is not $55
Fundy Lobby has āem I heard.
Fundy Lobby?
Hobby lobby
They drew those freehand? My god, they could be tracings.
that's some next level shit
Pretty cool
This gave me motion sickness š„“
Interesting. Take my money
Thereās a dude that made this on shark tank
Take my šø !
Watch the documentary Timās Vermeer.
Cheaters.
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I kinda feel like thatās just tracing
Witchcraft!
Must give a nice headache
Used by many "skillful" YouTubers that claim to able do draw just making circles or any other BS.
I just put a paper on top of a printed picture. This looks expensive.
I used to have one of these. They are very fun
That's badd assed.
I have them built in. It's called "eyes"
I'm having the fun experience of having never heard of a camera lucida before, to now seeing it twice in two days. (The other reference was in print, so I can't blame "the algorithms")
SubhanAllah
For a tool that's 120 years old it's $120 in amazon.com.
That's a TRACING TOOL not drawing.
Why could someone patent something that was invented 200 years earlier?
If anyones interested in a modern version da Vinci eye works decently. They have a subscription version to use two devices for larger works/ murals called mural maker as well.
These days this is called tracing and as seen as a crime in the art community.
Tracing taken to a whole new level
Na moral, lĆŗcida demais essa cĆ¢mera
You can patent 200 year old ideas?
So a tracing machine?
After reading an account of explorers in central america, I wish I could find one of these.
I didnāt know I need this lmao
And here i thought they just drew very well...
This is crazy. Why have I never seen this before? I'm 58.
I didn't see the fish first time around and was so confused.
This doesn't explain how it works or what it's like to draw with it.
How do they get the fish to sit still though?
How can someone patent something that's been around for 200 years?
Try as they might, scientists have yet to develop an instrument that can find OPās dick.
I FUCKING KNEW IT
Teller directed a movie about this.
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And get my drawings would still come out looking like stick figuresā¦
Woah this is actually mind blowing
Woah.
Now tell me about the dude who used this to draw for porn mags.
Iām insanely jealous of people that can just look at something and draw it perfectly like my brother, Iām so unartistic but I would love to be able to draw and express myself that way. My brother used to have books of shit heās drawn, he didnāt really have the creativity to draw realistic looking things just off of his head but if he was looking at something it would look like he copied it.
He did an art project for Highschool quite a long time ago that got featured in the front second floor window facing a very busy road, it was an extremely detailed charcoal (painting?) of Reggie Millers hand with a ring on it or something like that. Always loved looking at that when we drove by.
Wasn't there someone on shark tank selling those?
There is a documentary about this device (and about Vermeer):
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt3089388/
The drawing of the lady looks like sheās trying to coax out a challenging risky fart. Lol
This is ingenious!
Or you just learn how to draw.. but cool..
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āYou did these? Freehand? My god, these could be tracings!ā
Do you have something in your pocket ?
A chunky
He's pulling on my shirt!
My Google Glasses are up here
why don't you reach into my pocket and see what it isšµ
No...no, Iām just happy to see you
https://youtu.be/dRynqlRCNaQ
I've got something in my front pocket for you.
I've got something in my pocket for youuuu
I learned how to draw by free hand copying the comic books i read as a kid. I donāt know why but even at an early age i thought putting paper over top and tracing wasnāt the same thing. I wonder if people that use this tool predominately every develop the ability to draw free hand or whether theyāre utterly dependent on the tool. I was eventually able to move into drawing subjects or scenes based on that skillset i had built basically copying without tracing.
Tracing drawings from a fashion history library book was how I figured out proportions, you're right it's a pretty good way to pick up "lessons" from better artists when you don't really have the means.
Grids are another good tool. It requires more effort than tracing does, but still makes it easier by breaking the picture up into manageable chunks. Also, it helps train your brain to look at shapes and shadows instead of the entire picture.
The first time an art teacher showed me how to use a grid my world was shattered lol
Like learning how to do a backflip after learning how to walk or something. That was the game changer.
Also a basic tracing won't look natural without practice. You have to learn some skills for it to not look stilted.
Source: I learned from JCPenney and Sears catalogs and was disappointed when my first tracings were goblins in lingerie.
You say this as if goblins in lingerie isn't a good thing...
I should clarify: Poorly drawn goblins in lingerie.
What well-rounded adult doesn't appreciate a shapely inhuman figure?
Tbh poorly drawn goblins in lingerie sounds like a vibe and something I'd put on a t-shirt so you may have been on to something
You're not wrong.
It's a funny old world.
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Not to mention, getting used to using a pencil, the amount of pressure you should apply for different techniques, developing your own sense of skill and stuff like that. It's a great starting point!
Practicing something makes you good at it?
No stupid, it's practice makes perfect.
I used to do the same thing with pokemon stickers I used to have. Not tracing but doing my best to copy at different sizes too.
I remember in 2nd grade, we had an assignment to draw our own covers of the books we were reading. After we turned in our drawings, the teacher was complaining that everyone just traced the actual book covers instead of drawing them. She said only one student did the assignment correctly by creating an original drawing. Then she holds it up and there's my hand drawing of The Hungry Caterpillar against all of the nice and neat traced drawings, saying "This is the only one who knew to follow the rules!". And I'm sitting there with just a blank look on my face because she was basically saying mine was too shitty to be a tracing. At the time, I didn't even know what a tracing was lol
It was used by some of the most famous artists of all time, often to draw the original sketches and get perspective lines done exactly in proportion. They would then go back and paint in the details. The best artists us this more as a reference guide. But I agree there is something different from freehand vs this. That's why they kept it a secret! There is a new version in production called the NeoLucidia, I've preordered on they say it ships this December
I traced a ton of pokemon cards as a kid, and now I make things with a scroll saw.
Also known as using reference and is the most common way to learn freehand
I've never thought about it like this before, but I learned to play guitar by effectively "tracing" Metallica songs (playing along repeatedly until I figured them out and could play along with the songs proficiently, getting better at playing in the meantime). I guess I don't see how this is any different.
The equivalent has been done in writing.
Many famous authors originally just copied the books of their favorite authors as a way to learn themselves.
Your art, is the prettiest art, of all the art...
Chess masters hate this one simple trick!
I see what you did there