Had a flight attendant friend of mine say, the safest time to fly is often after an incident or near miss. There’s so many eyes on the situation after an incident. This guy is on to something when he talks about security being really high.
Had a flight attendant friend of mine say, the safest time to fly is often after an incident or near miss. There’s so many eyes on the situation after an incident. This guy is on to something when he talks about security being really high.
Didn't Malaysia Airlines lose two planes in quick succession
Just realised one was mh370
The other shot down by Russian terrorism
Same airlines but completely different locations and circumstances.
If an airline messes something up, I wouldn't buy tickets on them right away.
If an incident happens in an otherwise developed and relatively safe place, I'd be open (schedule depending) to head on a trip there ASAP.
The real exception to this rule is the Ethiopian Airlines MAX8 that crashed shortly after the Lion Air plane did.
In that crash however, the pilots did the correct procedure that they'd been taught. In fact I'm sure Boeing got a lawsuit against them because of some irresponsible moves they'd made with getting their new plane in the air.
Not just lawsuits, fines as well, and they won't be able to recover for years because once the MAX8 was almost ready to return to the skies, the pandemic was in full spread. It also has created a sense of urgency within the FAA and their audits have become downright cruel to try and recover their reputation.
I'm just saying that this is the exception to the rule that, after a crash, it is actually safest to fly.
Boeing was also behind another multiple-fatal-crashes problem in the 90s with their rudder hardover issue. Certain temperatures would reverse the way the controls worked, and the planes would crash because correcting a left roll would cause an uncontrolled spiral. These were also 737s.
If it is a matter of maintenance and not of design, though, the rule holds. Like how every DC got their jack screws checked and lubed after Alaska Airlines dropped into the Pacific off the coast. If those pilots had not requested a block altitude over the bay, a lot more lives would have been lost that day. Or the lost engine crash where a fork lift was used to support an engine during maintenance and it basically broke the pylon to wing connection. The photo taken of the plane on its side while still in the air and the hydraulics streaming out over the wing is pretty iconic.
GD which was the forklift engine break? I remember thr incident but not the airline/flight.
The only threats that break the pattern are Russian terrorism and Boeing engineering.
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Yeah. Not very well
There was also that time the Boeings kept nosediving
MH17
Same principle as buy low sell high I suppose. Get in when things are at their worst... well, only with certain things, of course.
"Oh that Lion Air 737 Max 8 just crashed, time to book my next holiday flight to and from Ethiopia next March"
Was due to fly once, a few days before hand some idiot tried to attack Glasgow airport and got a kicking for it.
I was totally calm as I got my flight because you couldn’t move without seeing increased security
This is also what I tell people about theme parks. Go to a theme park that's recently had a tragedy or accident and you'll never have to worry about your safety because that will be the primary focus of the park for the whole season
My first trip to USA was two weeks after 9/11. Already booked before, so I went anyway. At O'Hare we were the only plane being processed by Customs, so I got from touchdown to the taxi rank in about 25 minutes. On the return trip as week later the airport had guys in uniform with sub-machine guns. I felt pretty safe.
He's not onto something jackass. That saying means that he might have a hunch or POSSIBLY May be correct. He's not into something he's just right about that
This guy's got his head screwed on
As opposed to those two girls
Damn too soon 😂
I dont get it, wha happened?
During the video, the man says he went to Morocco shortly after two European women were beheaded there by ISIS wannabes.
Ah, that one went over my head. Thanks!
Unlike those 2 girls
I dont get it, wha happened?
It went through their heads
Damn too soon 🤖
theirs too
Unlike the knife
Nah, just in time for a bargain
I've seen the video, it's mad fucked up. They recorded themselves sawing their heads off with a bread knife. You can very clearly hear their screams and they rape them afterwards. Awful video that you shouldn't go near
I saw 5 seconds in which they were crying for their moms and noped the fuck out at light speed. I can handle gore, I did anatomy lab where I had to saw an old lady's head in half, no problem with that. It's the utter fucking degeneracy that gets to me. I feel physically ill thinking about it. I hate this post for making me remember that that was a thing that happened.
That could've been my grandma's head you sawed in half. She donated her corpse.
Huh. Really makes you think.
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Raped? I never saw someone mentioning that.
They got raped before the beheadings not afterwards.
Bruh, lol
Breh lol
As a guy who watched the video, God damn bro hahahaha
Jesus Christ bro chill 😂
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Fuck dude!
I was actually also in Agadir right after the incident. Besides from being cheap, it was also extremely safe because police was swarming to make sure that it was safe.
I'm going to burn in eternity for this but I am laughing out loud on the crapper right now.
This right here is why you get points for assists.
Bro, This guy has the best Lifehack of all times.
Honestly that's fucking brilliant.
As he says the security after a terrorist attack is brilliant so the chances of it happening to you are really tiny, the countries tourist income dries up so really need visitors so are grateful that he chooses to visit them.
Yeah, and you're supporting these places when they need it most.
Ukraine Summer, 2023, let's do this
If the war ends by then.
Hey maybe you'll be able to pet some radioactive goats. Just don't get bit.
That's the attitude of someone that does not want to be imbued with the powers of a goat.
the powers of a goat
Yeah, you could climb anything short of a vertical surface, make moderately long yet precise jumps, have powerful neck muscles, a thick skull and ramming horns able to break walls, and the ability to eat almost anything.
The whole package
NFL here i come
I've seen goat simulator, so, this trip is happening
Imagine you get goat powers, but all you do is fall over when you're surprised.
I've played goat simulator, I knowcwhere this leads.
Is that baaaaaaad?
Never heard of the word imbue before today.
Not all of Ukraine is radioactive…
It’s the biggest country in Eastern Europe!
We were talking about 2023 Ukraine.
Why wait until the war ends? LET'S GOOOOOOOO KIEV!!!
Hello from the future! I bring bad news.
Nope lol
wars are too profitable to let them end so quickly.
News update: it hasn’t
Yea, that might be like a 2028 type of thing
There is a lot of tourism in Ukraine, it is just mostly domestic. But when there is no air raid, the sights are full of tourists.
If the infrastructure was destroyed, then it won't be as good a time.
It will be cheap tho, and most of the Western part ought to be in good shape. Lviv is supposed to be beautiful, and it's far from the battle lines. Odessa's doing pretty good and has a beach, Kyiv despite the rockets seems to be ok
Fuck it, we are going to party in Mariupol after war
Lviv, Krakow, Prague, Budapest, Vienna and Bratislava. Been to Prague and Vienna. The rest are on my list. Any others in this region to recommend?
Most of those are not Ukraine, but I get you wanna cross off many points from the bucket list.
Wieliczka Salt Mine is half an hour by car from Kraków and it has the IIRC only underground church mined in the rock. The investment-to-memories ratio is very good
You're joking, but Ukraine probably will get a lot of tourism from the west, depending on how the war ends.
The moment they've got Russia out and a really solid iron dome up, I hope tourism there skyrockets.
I just came back from a 2 weeks trip through Ukraine and had a really good time there. It was totally fine except on Monday, some rockets exploded close to my apartment, which meant the museums and most restaurants closed so it was a bit of a boring day. Btw there is a lot of tourism in Ukraine even during the war, but it's almost only domestic.
Nah. Go in a week. Best time to visit a nuclear wasteland is the day after it’s been converted into one.
3 months left let's gooo!
Didn't age well
By summer 2023...oof that means they ceded everything to Russia, pick a new time line.
Annexed != ceded
I went to Brooklyn this year after that crazy subway shooting.
reading this as I am on the subway in brooklyn it took me a minute to remember this. that shooting when no one died, big deal. i ride the subway and don’t die every day!
90% of my job is just avoiding birds
Can’t be that hard to avoid something that’s not real
Pilot?
He's a biologist studying the rare Bloodthirsty Kiwi.
I was on the other end of the N train that day. I was irate that I was stuck on a subway car for so long until I realized why.
Meh, I went to an American school for 18 years and never even got shot. So exaggerated.
Amateur. I die at least three times a day.
So brave!
The only problem with NY, is that shit is gonna happen again the next week... so kind of a different beast.
The only problem? 😆
Oh come on. Another one?
I flew NYC to London on sept 11 2002 for like 30$. Pretty sick discount.
I took the subway to work an hour after it happened (not the same line, but I was near the stop). NYC was not particular affected, as awful as it was for those who were hurt ... there's 8 million people living here, it's statistically almost zero risk.
I was in New York when that happened. Pretty sure the guy was arrensted only like 3 miles away from where I was staying
You mean Tuesday?
The amount of schools I visit is CRAZY
Nice way to describe your morning ride to work every day.
All inclusive Ukrainian vacation $1.75 U.S.
I went to Austin City Limits music festival which was the weekend after the Vegas Shooting a few years ago.
Obviously everyone's in fear for their safety because of recent events, but I felt more safe because they most certainly were taking extra precautions that they would not have had that shooting not happened.
Austin City Limits just hasn't been the same for me since they changed the theme song. Sure it's been almost 20 years but I'm still a little bitter.
The real mindfuck of the Vegas shooting is there's nothing the venue could have done. The dude was in a hotel overlooking the venue.
I say mindfuck because I'm vigilant of my surroundings, and I've been at shows and concerts that were exposed like that. Far less comfortable now than an enclosed venue.
You're also going to be around mourning and grieving people the whole time. If you're a psychopath then maybe this won't affect your enjoyment.
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Have you ever been anywhere that has just had a horrible violent incident? People in general are miserable and talking mainly about the event.
I am guessing he means 2016 for Istanbul and there was 4 bombings in 2016 in Istanbul by 2 seperate terrorist groups, causing 120+ people to die. There were 16 suicide bombings in 2016 in Turkey.
While security was good, I don't think it was a great choice that year lmao. Locals were afraid to visit Istanbul that year and many Istanbul residents stayed away from certain places in the city out of the fear.
he's not wrong - i got a round trip flight from houston, tx to heathrow for $480 in october of '01
My parents booked us in for a two week vacation the year after this happened because it was like 80% off
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/5-canadians-killed-in-mexico-hotel-blast-1.889422
What are the chances 5 more Canadians will get killed in a blast?!? Get in the car honey, we're going to the airport!
Reminds me of the old joke:
The odds of there being a bomb on an airplane are a million to one. The odds of there being two bombs on the same airplane are a million times a million to one. Next time you fly, cut the odds and bring a bomb.
You know this kid needed a ride one time and it was raining so I told him to hop in, he sat down in the passenger seat and said, “why would you pick me up? What if I was a serial killer?” I laughed and looked over at him- “I mean cone on, what are the odds of two serial killers in the same car??” He didn’t say anything except thank you when I dropped him off at his job. Not sure why.
Pretty sure there were more deaths. Vacations in Mexico is not a good idea.
how is vacationing in mexico not a good idea tf?
Amtrak was practically free after the 9/11 attack. LA to NY for $75 or so, as I recall. Not only that, but we got upgraded from coach to a sleeper berth for $20 apiece. Huge upgrade.
LA to NY wtf that sounds much longer of a train ride than I could handle
I can see that, for some people. But the sleeper berth upgrade made it a breeze. Free meals in the dining car, a big private room with a bed, a huge window to look out of while you lounge there in the bed reading or listening to music or talking (or whatever). It's really fantastic. It's also something that would cost you $3000+ nowadays, and not $100, like I paid.
Thats like 10 hours in a good train (european standards to be fair), of which you sleep 6-8.
I'm sure you can survive that over actively checking in an out of two airports while being between the weird flight time of "fuck this isn't worth to sleep...."
passenger rail is not good in the us
LA - NY via Amtrak takes half a week.
The trip is 3936km. Please tell me which European trains can average almost 400kph with regular stops or even without stops. Much less while crossing 3 large mountain ranges.
Could the Us use better passenger rail? Maybe, still wouldn't out perform air travel. But quit talking complete shit.
It's several days. Hence, the luxuriousness of the fare upgrade being important to the enjoyment.
I met a guy on the airplane 6 years ago in business class, he does the same but with real estate properties.
“Syria’s a really nice place” he says. He had recently bought there for cheap. Now I’m sure he’s doing the same at a prime location downtown Kyiv.
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First time I hear a positive review about Egypt.
Your comment just reminded me of the AskReddit thread about places to avoid traveling to. So many comments about Egypt
It's because nobody else was there
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I'm guessing that you're male?
I'll chime in saying that the people in egypt are absolutely awful.
Was there this may and pretty much everyone just wants to scam you out of your money, they're persistent, annoying and pressing mfers who won't leave you alone.
Country itself is beautiful, sightseeing is great... but the people... awful, absolutely fucking awful.
I liked Luxor.
I bought round trip plane tickets to Hawaii in July 2009 for less than $300 because Korea was planning to launch a missile there. I figured, If I'm going to possibly die to a Korean missile, might as well do it in Hawaii on a beach. I spent most of 2 days of my trip on a plane or in an airport and only about 5 hours on a beach, but it was totally worth it just for the story.
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The airport lines on my trip weren't too terrible, but I remember needing to take my boots and belt off in the security line cuz they kept setting off the metal detector. Seeing as how I had lost a bunch of weight and hadn't bought new pants yet, I had to struggle through holding my pants up with one hand.
Also, on my connecting flight from LAX to Hawaii, I had to switch from a commercial airliner to a smaller 2 rotor Cesna type plane that was carrying cages of goats, chickens, and other animals on it. I felt like I was in Indiana Jones and Short Round was gonna pop out from behind one of the cages at any second. Also, goats make some crazy noises on airplanes. First time I ever heard one of them screaming in person.
All fun and games until the government decides to confiscate properties.
Johnny FD (YouTuber) did just that (bought a place in downtown Kiev). He's not the smartest of men, but I keep watching for "some reason."
COVID flying was sweet. Couldn't go see my grandparents. That sucked but it was cheap and empty.
So many great travel deals even early this year, when countries were finally opening up to international travel.
This guy is a genius. I always go on vacation to third world countries. They're great, beautiful scenery, vibrant cultures, great food and its so cheap you can relax and not worry about the cost of anything. This dude has taken it to a whole other level. Brilliant.
my mom had a business trip right after a bombing in belgium. she felt incredibly safe, though i’m not sure if she got a hotel discount
He’s smart asf
The 1000th like let’s go WOOO
Haven’t been the 1000th like ever so that’s nice
Shittylifeprotips: Join ISIS dark web chat groups and find out where they are going to attack next so you can plan and have a suitcase backed.
Better yet encourage them to attack a place right before you get there
I feel like you're on a list now for this suggestion lol
Oh wow I reallllllllly hope something doesn't happen to Chicago soon
ISIL shows up in Chicago: "Damn bitch, you live like this?"
"Guys... There is no building to blow up? Why did they send us to this former warzone?"
"There are goats and poverty. Did we even leave?"
You say that as if something doesn't happen every 15 minutes in Chicago.
fuck you buddy, hope you drown in our deep dish pizza when you get here
What list, the list of people with good ideas?
But then you probably would have already bought the ticket and hotel at regular price.
Honestly, this hack only works if you don't have a schedule. These terrorists groups should honestly just announce their plans ahead of time smh
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He said terrorist attack, not a full fledged war.
I was in Mumbai after those horrific attacks. My friend and me were too poor to change our tickets while foreigners were fleeing the country. We did all the sightseeing being only white people in the area.
When we were at one of the temples I spoke to the local priest and he was surprised to see us there. I said I believed in faith and if we die we die. He was super impressed but truth is we were two cheap and opportunistic bastards)
Ukraine is awesome right now, if you do the math even with the terroristic horrible russian missile attacks to the Capital 3 days ago you are still statistically more likely to die in, say, Chicago.
All the tourist attractions that are still open and everything else is really cheap. Only thing that prevents me from going is they closed the Prypiat and Chornobyl tours.
I had scheduled a Vegas vacation with a bunch of buddies long in advance which ended up being 2 weeks after the shooting. That man isn't joking. There really are deals after a tragedy which is...a thing I guess. I absolutely took advantage of said deals, but felt weird being happy about it.
The deals are because people stop coming but the place still needs tourism because that's a large part of their economy, especially somewhere like Vegas. So by still going on your trip in such a time you were actually doing your reasonable part to help get them going again, deals or not. Cancelling would have been more hurtful to anywhere you went that gave you a deal. No reason to feel weird about it.
You not taking advantage of these fantastic deals isn’t gonna bring them back. 🤷🏽
Had to go to Adobe MAX (for a work thing) the week after, which was in Vegas. MAX Bash, where they had a Mark Ronson and Bruno Mars show, carnival rides, and food trucks; all surrounded by high walled hotel buildings. with plenty of perches. Unnerving.
Stayed in bali after the Lombok earth quake and had nusa pineda to my self, got weekend campsites in Yosemite when it was literally on fire in 2020, got round trip $900 flights to french Polynesia when they opened their borders in late may last year, did the W trek in Patagonia with last minute booking in November when Chile reopened. That guy isn’t kidding
How was the the W? Always wanted to do it.
got round trip $900 flights to french Polynesia
What’s the name of that French Polynesia? Is it good? How was it?
Honestly unless you’re rich wanting to relax in the middle of no where its sorta boring. It’s great if you have the money to spend in crystal clear water but i think you could go to the Caribbean for a similar vibe
The same goes for murder houses/"haunted" houses.
The Purge
"Realtors hate/love this one secrect trick, click here to read more"
Get enough friends to do it with you and that’s been lots of country’s foreign policy for millennia
Plus if you believe in ghosts you’ll never get lonely in your new hone
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People we're trying to go to Italy for cheap in 2020 then the US told everyone to get back home so they don't get stuck out of the country and people were whining.
I have always thought how security jumping right up after a terrorist attack was wrong, because really it's just before an attack that the risk is highest. But obviously I was not smart enough to think to take the next step like this guy.
Maaaaaaaaate he’s a genius! Ironically he may have just ruined this hack for himself tho because now we will all be doing it….
I wonder if he's planning any trips to Eastern Europe anytime soon.
It's good for the local economies, too!
until, they start showing terrorism-tourism commercials.
Statistically, the safest time to fly is right after a major plane crash. Every single airline is paying extra attention to everything for a few weeks or months.
I wonder if flights to Thaliand are cheaper after that mass shooting they had last week.
LPT: Book on the Orient Express after they just finished scrubbing out the blood stains.
Yeah, I went to Morocco in november 2001, not the most expensive destination at the time.
And if more people did this, the economy affected my these acts would recover quicker.
The problem will be if you focus on the horror that just happened. In addition, you're seeing a place at it's lowest which is not the memory of what it normally is. It's cheaper, but it's also different.
Gods bless the guy, he's doing what the area wants which is for tourists to visit. Far better than the vultures that jack up the price of water to $10 a bottle during a disaster.
I wonder if he ate jack in the box after they found a cow pie in someone’s food
And the unethical life hack is that if you cause the terrorism, you get to choose whatever country you want on demand!
I mean. There was a push to visit NYC after 9/11 because their economy suffered from lack of tourism. So he's not just pragmatic, he's a philanthropist.
Yeah he's probably gunna get his life hacked on a vacation one of these days lmao
We went to Disney World after 9/11 that year. All the rides were walk on what was normally a very busy time.
No, no. He's got a point.
I did this after the Vegas shootings. Felt so bad saving so much money.
At the same time, Vegas's economy is almost entirely dependent on tourism, so you're doing them a huge favor by visiting.
That's what I told all the hookers!
"They offered me a double booking since business was so bad but..."
He got the Nipplepolitan? A redhead, a blond, and a brunette....
Bucketlist item added.
Bonus points if natural and not bottle blond
Sounds like a very fun night if you asked me.
"you should be thanking me for drillin you"
It's super progressive of you to support sex workers, dude. Respect.
So they were glad one of their customers came, for once.
I had something similar happen. I went to a wedding in the Philippines and it was just a couple weeks after a volcano had erupted. So pretty much all the other tourists had cancelled so our wedding group had the whole hotel to ourselves. The ash had also all been cleaned up by the time we were there so there weren't any problems there. Another great part about the timing was that it was just before Covid shut down travel so it was the last big social event for most of us.
Who tf are these people out here like “ah shit it’s most likely to explode again right after it exploded”. Fuck me.
I mean, if it was just days after then everything would be covered in ash which isn’t pleasant. They had really just cleaned up the ash when we got there. As in it was still in bags or piles on the side of the road.
Ah okay, that’s reasonable. Thanks for the clarification!
Yeah, I went to Cabo after they were hit by major hurricane, we were thanked by folks frequently because they needed money from tourism to recover.
I doubt Vegas' economy was really struggling that badly after that happened.
I was gonna say not only should they not feel bad, it's a great way to support the local economies at a rough time - and it also challenges the (somewhat prejudiced) idea that these places are uniquely dangerous because it's in the news/recent, when otherwise you could rated the place according to the statistics
We would probably be doing the world a favor if we all stopped going to Vegas.
Just commented above that I went about 2 weeks after the shooting. It was both odd and comforting that everyone was acting like nothing happened. Every Uber driver had an absolutely insane story about that night though.
That was the best thing you could've done. People were asking what to do to help after that and everyone in town was like "come visit and spend money"
I was there too… never been so awkward in a taxi ride from airport... my wife still gives me shit for trying to have small talk with driver to ease the ride.. Our trip was planned months in advance though wasn’t after the fact.. still to this guys point everything was even cheaper and never had a problem getting an Uber
Nobody should EVER feel bad saving money on Vegas. That place was probably still robbing you blind.
During the height of Covid they we’re basically giving rooms away my sister got a week at the aria hotel for like $300.
You were still doing Vegas a favor. I don’t know if it was the entire economy there’s fault that psycho did such horrible things.
I also did, but had the trip planned for months before the shooting
Went to Paris the weekend after the Bataclan attacks when we found out that a round-trip Thalys rail ticket was reduced to like €20. Great for sightseeing as queues were practically non existent, but going out for a night of partying wasn't as successful.
i think so long as the people responsible are stopped or caught. that its not a bad idea.
i mean consider the DC sniper from the early 2000s. Sure the flight was cheap, but better to wait till they caught the guy. i doubt prices would have recovered overnight once they made the arrest.
God I forgot all about that. Jfc that was a mental one...
Yeah, I went down the rabbit hole not too long ago cause I forgot about it and totally forgot that whole thing happened over the course of three weeks. There's a few good videos on youtube that go over the events that happened
I’ll wait for the inevitable Netflix series to come out and regurgitate all of the information that’s already readily available online.
Just like how if a post on r/travel is too long you can wait until the next day when they summarize it on Buzzfeed.
And you’ll get interlaced stupid gifs!
Guy I know went to Tunisia just shortly after (during!?) the Arab Spring. Stayed in a 5* resort for a week for less than a grand with flights included.
My cousin did this with Turkey, same reasoning. It’s super cheap and security’s gonna be through the roof so it doesn’t happen again
I always upvote for Kronk.
Thank you, kind stranger.
Mom did this after https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombings
Google Bali. Who wouldn’t want to go there?
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I'm 70% confident he stole this from a comedian, 30% confident I'm just remembering this same video from literally over 20 years ago.
I remember the two girls who got decapitated. One of them lived in the town next to mine. Some of my friends went to school with her, and I remember some sick fucks starting spreading the video of her decapitation on the internet just to harass her friends and family. Really fucked up.
Yeah, that video hit different because one of them spoke Norwegian, and I'm Norwegian as well. I'm used to gore and stuff, but when she called out for "mamma" I kinda felt sick.
They did it with the Norwegian girl as well? I’m sorry to hear that.
I only knew of the Danish girl. One of my friends went to high school with her, and she got the video sent to her. My friend use to be one of those people who could set on the old Reddit and see the other gory video after another, but after she saw that video that stopped ASAP. She told me it’s one of the most horrific videos she’s ever seen and the sound of pleading for their lives are permanently locked in her brain.
That’s why this fascination with watching gore baffles me. As a vet with PTSD I can’t fathom why folks are willingly giving themselves secondary PTSD watching those videos.
EDIT: Let me clarify. I mostly meant videos such as ISIS or cartels torturing and executing individuals while they beg for mercy. That being said, if you watch any human death videos in pursuit of a dopamine hit, I think that presents a problem.
I am the same way and I don’t even have PTSD. But my mind and stomach is just too weak to look at stuff like this.
You’re not weak. You’re normal. I’ve known some stone cold badasses with silver stars who suffered from the violence they saw. It can effect anyone.
You sure that's not just empathy?
That doesn't make you weak. That is just a wise move. Strength is doing the hard/dangerous/difficult/risky thing that matters, when it matters even if there are consequences. Doing the same thing when it won't change anything, that's just masochism.
I watch a lot of gore videos.
I get freaked the hell out when someone even gets a little cut around me.
Seeing it IRL is different than seeing it through a screen. If I saw some of the stuff I've seen in internet videos IRL I'd probably be traumatized by it, but I do not consider myself traumatized from what I've seen online even though some of the stuff I've seen is absolutely horrific. Mostly I browse such forums to remind myself how fragile humanity is. I feel like many of the videos I've seen feature people who have no such respect for that fragility and that's why they've died.
I also work in a pretty safety heavy workplace and the deaths I've seen as a result of OSHA violations have made me really respect why those rules are in place and it makes me speak out more when I see people disregarding them.
The third reason I browse gore videos are the suicide ones. I've gotten to some pretty dark times in my life where I contemplated suicide and honestly those videos have been the best possible deterrent, especially ones where the family find their dead relatives. It's hard to watch, it makes me cry, and I don't watch them often tbh for those reasons. But at the end of the day if I find my thoughts drifting there, the reality of those videos are what I think about and that keeps me from even seriously entertaining the thought anymore.
I think it's mainly curiosity, as an EMT it makes me wonder why too, but even I catch myself being curious when I hear of a supposedly gruesome video floating online, and I already see gruesome things.
I had a room mate I was close to that said he watched it bc he was depressed, and real death healped him to not romanticize some future potential suicide. Helped with his suicidal ideation. Seems like a dangerous plan to me but what do I know.
I would always watch horrific industrial accidents. Not because I liked seeing them but because I inspect a variety of different industrial facilities and the more I know about how I can be killed in those places the better equipped I am to know how to not get hurt.
That's fair, it's essentially a safety video.
Watching cartel torture/execution vids or videos of people begging for their life as terrorists saw off their heads is an entirely different thing though.
For me, it's curiosity about accidents. Stuff like industrial accidents or not taking proper safety measures, it helps illustrate in my mind just why they're so important.
I have zero interest in beheading or terrorist videos though, those are just sick.
As someone who occasionally watches this kind of stuff, videos of people begging for their lives and having outbursts of emotion is a line I refuse to cross. I can't say there isn't something wrong with me for having such a morbid curiosity about factory & road accidents, but repeatedly seeking out raw human suffering like you get in videos of people being tortured to death is just...worrying. If the first time didn't absolutely traumatise you, what are you getting out of it all?
I agree. There is a distinction between an accident and what are basically snuff films.
If I knew someone who visited those subreddits and commented and discussed those tragic videos as if it were a movie, I'd personally want nothing to do with them.
People ITT "I can watch worse shit and not feel a thing!“
Uhm, like, congrats? On not having empathy I guess?
i remember when the rittenhouse video was getting posted around and everyone was telling me to watch it "to form my own opinion."
bro, i'm not gonna watch a video of people getting shot. it does not matter to me whether or not it's justified, i don't want to watch real people get shot.
As someone who has watched a lot of gore, I do most certainly not have secondary PTSD or anything close to it, gore is just that, gore.
I just feel sympathy with the victim(depending on circumstances) and it might make me feel bad for a few hours depending on severity but at the end of the day i'm fine. It's nothing compared to actually experiencing these things IRL I would guess.
If it’s bad enough to make you feel bad for a few hours it’s fucking with your head man. Stop watching that shit I’m begging you.
You’re fine until you’re not.
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Now you’re making a lot of assumptions. People who work in trauma units are just as capable of experiencing PTSD due to witnessing such horrible and violent mutilations as anyone else, even surgeons and coroners, even if they have “resilience” to it.
Plus it’s completely different when you hear, see, and watch a person die while pleading for their life.
squeamish? probably not. but its pretty presumptuous to assume it wouldnt be traumatizing for a surgeon or a coroner to see. health care workers who deal with horrifically maimed or mutilated people have incredibly high instances of PTSD, emts included
Yeah that’s presumptuous. My wife is a vet tech and has PTSD from working on animals there. Health care workers are 100% an at risk population.
Secondary ptsd my ass. I have seen hundreds of those videos and it has not affected me a bit. Ok, I always check the train tracks both ways and I keep my distance from trucks and trailers so to not be in their blind spots.
The fact that you felt targeted by my statement and felt the need to justify it and make a defensive statement tells me you already have emotions wrapped up in the part of you that watches those videos.
Take my advice and please don’t watch that stuff. I wish I could forget the death I saw. Please don’t subject your mind to those images and sounds (the worst part to me).
The more you talk about how gory it is, the more I want to watch it. Now I shall go find it. r/makemeacoffin was pretty interesting
edit: was ok, short vid, saw worse
I watch the videos because of a morbid curiosity on how fragile humans are. They also show me what not to do unless I want to die in a stupid way. As i stated, the vids have not affected me in any way.
cool story bro
At least for me it’s part morbid curiosity part desensitised.
There’s a whole generation that’s grown up with horrific imagery easily available on the internet.
I guess a proportion of people just aren’t as susceptible to PTSD.
Being desensitized to violence is not normal or special or something you should aspire to.
Oh I’m not saying it is.
Just that images affect people differently and what shocks one person doesn’t really affect another.
It sounds like you've been desensitized. Just an FYI but through training and exposure you can be desensitized. Its how trauma surgeons and nurses and such are able to work.
They are still one of the populations most at-risk for PTSD.
If you watch a video of a girl begging for her life and calling out for her mother as someone saws of her head, and you don't feel shocked, I'm sorry but there is something wrong with you. You're not tough. You lack empathy.
Actually it is pretty normal with how gory videos spread on the internet. Don't be mentally weak.
I've got this theory that it's a conflict of survival instincts. "Flight" is telling you to stay away from the gore, but there's another monkey man voice telling you to see what's the danger. They battle, they conflict, tension builds, and now it's exciting to click and scratch that horrid itch. There's probably some reverse psychology bs in there too like "Dont do this" but that just makes you want to do it.
I watch them a lot. It doesn't give me PTSD. I watch it to feel emotions that I normally wouldn't feel in day to day life, from a safe distance. It's like watching a horror movie, except to a smaller extent the gloves are off - the things in the videos could actually happen to me or someone I know.
I do my best not to pass judgment. But the fact that you compare it to a horror movie makes me think that by watching those videos you aren't closer to appreciating the finality of death but you are removed from it- it has become entertainment.
We live very sheltered lives generally in the west. Watching horrible stuff helps you to appreciate what you have but also appreciate the morbid reality of life and how fragile it is. To this I'm moreso talking about freak accidents than terrorist beheadings tbf
I know this is an old comment but...gives me two things. Greater value/appreciation for my own life, lets me know to always understand the context of the situation I am in to avoid situations like this. Why I use to value watch people die sub, getting too lax can lead to an undesirable end.
Thats why people who travel tend to have a more open mind and be more compassionate towards people from other countries.
A tragedy/ exploitation hits much harder when you are familiarized with aspects of the lives of the people suffering.
The one calling for mom was Danish.
Honestly i am out of the loop on this one, but i am going to stay that way.
honestly you found this thread at the right time. If this gains more momentum I would implore you to close this thread. not worth it
Thank you kind stranger.
can you describe what happened in that video? i clearly remember when it happened, but i could never build the courage to watch the video. till this day i refuse to watch it, but i want to know what happened in the video.
I have never seen the video myself and just like you I do not wish to see it.
So I’ve watched it years ago but here is what i recall : Basically there were two girls forced to lay flat on their stomach, clothes partly removed. I think they were raped and they were crying and begging, then they got decapitated in that same position. That shit was pure evil
I went to the same university both of them went to. And i worked in the store they shopped at and met them some times. It was horrible when the video of the two girls startet spreading on campus.
It's interesting how you can see videos of brown people getting killed in every corner of the internet (especially on Reddit), but when those two girls were killed, Reddit came down hard on the watchpeopledie subreddit. Then when a white guy in New Zealand kills a bunch of brown people, Reddit (and most sites) block the video from being posted (and the manifesto). Reddit even banned Watchpeopledie over this, even though that sub prevented the video from being posted, too. But there were a couple mass shootings in the US around that time where the video was allowed on Reddit, and the manifestos.
Kind of interesting how they are able to understand the harms those videos can cause, but only do something about it if its in a western country (that isn't America), or involves westerners (that aren't American). If it's people enjoying brown or black people suffering in the third world, there's no issue.
It’s all about media attention
This is a super old comment but I want to weigh in - a year before that me and my school scout (not scouts not similar because we got kicked out lol) group built a school in Imlil - trips me out that those girls got killed so soon after, they were the nicest people ever, literally killed several goats in our honour and fed us so much
Marocko right? What a place
Can't decide if this is either a r/LifeProTips or a r/UnethicalLifeProTips
Either way, this dude is playing chess while others are playing checkers hahaha
It feels a little bit icky to me, but I also feel like supporting local industry with tourism when a tragedy has made it much less likely for that support to happen, kind of balances out the karma?
Yeah I agree. But like you said, there is something icky about it. Probably the way it was presented, as a joke
Hes not going for voyeurism at least
Being on the same trail was a bit "why?" And voyeuristic. Like was the hike somehow cheaper or something?
It’ll be the one place most likely to see the most increase in security presence.
For me the icky-ness came from two things:
1) It didn't feel completely clear how easy it is to him, to disconnect the gruesomeness from the good travelling experience. I think subconsciously we feel better if that is tricky for him, because we don't want people in our tribe who takes a terrible situation too lightly, as they may be dangerous or unpredictable.
2) I don't think he's actively trying to make fun of those situations, but the awkwardness and tabu of the subject causes nervous laughter on both sides, and again, it's not clear to us whether he's laughing out of understanding the awkwardness and tabu, or whether he thinks the attacks themselves are funny.
I honestly think he's a genuine dude with good intentions, but this presentation and awkward situation puts him dangerously close to coming off as a callous sociopath.
He's actually solidly rational. Sometimes our emotions colour our reasoning.
Rational yes. It's also rational to eat your old grandma when she dies, because burying her is a waste of calories. But if you do that then people will definitely not want you around.
The rationale isn't the subject. It's more just the interesting ways tabus are subconsciously used by humans to get an idea of how well a given person fits into the tribe.
I deleted my reddit account and all my comments and posts but reddit has decided to undelete my account and comments so I have decided to let people know. Fuck this stupid site
Rational doesn’t always mean right. You can see something as logical and still not agree with it.
I'm for it. To be honest the hospitality industry is unforgiving and unstable, every little bit of money counts.
The problem isn't him going wherever a tragedy happened.
Plenty of people go to disaster sites to help, by bringing essentials, clearing up, helping to build back, treating the wounded, etc. or support from home, donating money and food/clothing/materials.
I would even be OK with vacationing at a former disaster site a decent amount of time after a tragedy while paying non-discounted prices to support the local economy.
No, the problem is him going there specifically to profit off of tragedies. And not just: "this country has a bad economy, let's support that while having a cheap vacation" levels of profit, but "people have died here very recently, therefore I get the best dollar/human tragedy value".
Paying 30 bucks for a 300$/night room isn't 'helping', it's taking advantage of a shaken community.
The argument "they should be happy to get anything at all" is at best an ignorant, and at worst a very cruel one.
To make some [warning: graphic] comparisons, it's like walking up to grieving parents at their child's funeral, putting a 20 in their hands and saying: "Just be happy you get anything at all for that stroller, you won't be needing it anyway." Or approaching a sex worker that had just been sexually assaulted and telling them: "Here's a fiver for an hour, just be happy you get anyhting, nobody'll touch these damaged goods for a while anyway."
Sure, they're very clever for saving so much money. But they're also a shitty human.
*edit: alright, alright, thanks for the "concerned" DMs and SuicideWatch notice, I'm fine.
Thats really reading into it and putting words in his mouth though, isn't it? I mean, there's nothing saying he'd be able to afford that vacation without the discount and it's hardly like he's causing the trouble to lower prices. It doesn't seem different to me than if I buy something for cheaper at a grocery store, but that item is only cheaper because of a plague or something. I didn't cause the plague, I'm just trying to make my money stretch
And it's not like he forced the hotel to sell their room for so cheap, or the flights to be so cheap. They offered the price, he paid it. If they wanted to make more money, they would have charged more. To try and say he's icky for paying what they wanted to be paid is wild.
That's a purely economical way of looking at this situation.
I thought the discussion in this comment thread was about the human angle, but I might be wrong.
I never said anything about him forcing anyone, I talk about profiting (and I would definitely call 'getting a 10 fold value out of a service' profiting) off of tragedy. Not just someone else's economical misfortune, but he deliberately seeks out the worst tragedies to get a good deal. Can't argue that it's ethical.
What does it matter whether it's ethical? It not being ethical doesn't mean it's unethical. He's taking advantage of a situation. Not the people. It would be unethical if he was going there and demanding or haggling for cheaper prices because he's one of the few customers they'll get for a while. But that's not the case.
I would bet if you asked these people he's "taking advantage of", they would be grateful to have the customers, as they need the money to function as a business. And again, they're setting the prices.
The beginning of this thread is someone saying they're not sure if this should be a protip or an unethical protip.
I hear you and to be fair, he's neither actively or bodily harming anyone nor is he the cause of the disaster, so that's good.
But on the other hand, these people have to discount their prices because of human tragedy and he's flying thousands of miles to profit off of that. There are more ethical ways to save money and still see "exotic" places.
I'm also not putting words in his mouth, just watch the video a couple of times. While admittedly great ContagiousLaughter material, it's sickening to see how he only thinks of himself ("you get some GREAT deals!", "I was the only one on that bus, got the whole tour") .
He either really doesn't seem to give a fuck what happened ("oooh, probably an earthquake, hahahaha") or makes fun of it in a very casual way ("eeeh, they chopped some girls' heads off, hehehehe").
I found it funny while watching it for the first time, now it just gives me the creeps.
Not judging the hosts, btw. I would probably react exactly the same in that moment. It's just so... bizarre?
Also, I want to add that I support that guy's free speech (maybe it's all made up?). Just not a fan of his ethics.
absurdism is a form of humor that doesn't mean one doesn't understand tragedy. In fact, its the opposite, in your mind something is so messed up and absurd that you just laugh. He's not laughing at the fact two girls got their heads taken off, hes laughing at the absurd connection between the event giving way to cheap tourism.
You seem to be under the false assumption that he is laughing about the tragedies themselves in a vacuum with no context.
I didn't consider that, thanks for spelling it out for me instead of fueling my rage.
And you're right, I am only judging it inside the bubble of this video. So am I just missing the obvious and the video is deliberately cut in an absurdist way? Am I the annoying SJW that walks up to some kids sharing some absurdist humor, yelling at them like "Fuck you and you and you for saying that" ? If so, I feel really stupid and I'll show myself out.
No, do not show yourself out regardless. You've been engaging in civil discussion here and have not said anything malicious or wrong. It's a difference of opinion based on individual experience.
That's very kind, thank you. I would like to add three things:
First: looking at my comments, I admittedly took quite a hard (and judging) stance, calling the interviewee a shitty human. As you sow, so you shall reap (or, in German: "As you shout into the forest, so it echoes").
Second: I love these kinds of discussions, but despite my first statement I'm still a bit surprised at the amount and vehemence of pushback. It rightfully forces me to re-evaluate my views on ethics and question my stance on the (non?)issue, which is a good thing, gets me out of my bubble. At the same time, it makes me feel like the lunatic on the market square yelling "What's wrong with you people? Don't you get it?" while I should be questioning my own sanity.
Third: English is my third language. I don't want to use this as an excuse, but on top of the other two things and especially in threads like these, I constantly worry that I didn't hit the right tone and chose an expression that's a tad too extreme on the "words I could have chosen" spectrum. I read nuanced comments like this or this and think "yup, in contrast to these, I really went in there with a sledgehammer."
I agree with you completely and I don't understand the pushback either. The thread started with the question of whether this is a protip or an unethical protip. It is shady at best to intentionally go somewhere after tragedy strikes because you know prices will be discounted.
So these people have to offer discounts, okay. So they either get this guy's (and others) smaller amount of money, or no money at all?
I'm not sure I really see the ethical issue there
I'm not saying "nobody should go there". I'm saying the ethical thing would be going there to help. The unethical thing would be to specifically only seek out the worst human tragedies to get the best value for myself.
Do I really have to explain that profiting off of human tragedy is unethical?
Another comparison: it's like the guys selling an NFT of the "falling man" recently. They didn't cause the attack, they didn't take the photograph, they're not actively harming anyone, but it's still unethical, because (you guessed it): they profit off of human tragedy.
Another comparison: it's like the guys selling an NFT of the "falling man" recently. They didn't cause the attack, they didn't take the photograph, they're not actively harming anyone, but it's still unethical, because (you guessed it): they profit off of human tragedy.
So you believe that news photographers are unethical? If the photographer sold a print of that in a gallery, you'd likely have no issue with it (since it literally happens all the time). But using a new medium is unethical? Is it unethical to have that photo on Getty?
I'm saying the ethical thing would be going there to help.
How could he help? Two people get their heads cut off, what is he supposed to do? Try and sew them back on?
Do I really have to explain that profiting off of human tragedy is unethical?
I would actually like to hear this explanation so I can tell my friend who doesn't really get it.
I've sprung that trap and walked right back into it with my eyes closed. Upvote for calling me out on it.
Admittedly, I'm not able to right now, not least because it's 2AM and I'm starting to question my own stance. But if you give me a couple of hours of sleep, I promise to at least cobble together a passionate response.
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Thanks! Although I was kinda just being a jackass earlier, I'm genuinely looking forward to your response. It certainly feels unethical to me, but I'm struggling to put into words exactly why that is.
Oh boy, this is going to be a looong comment.
Let's start with definitions:
Webster's dictionary defines wedding as
the fusing of two metals with a hot torch.
Just kidding, sorry. For real now:
Oxford Languages defines unethical as
not morally correct.
This begs the question: what is morally correct? Or put simply: what is moral? We turn to Merriam Webster for that one:
moral, ethical [...] means conforming to a standard of what is right and good.
[Something being] moral implies conformity to established sanctioned codes or accepted notions of right and wrong.
Interim conclusion: something is immoral or unethical if it doesn't conform to a standard of what is right and good.
But what standard are we talking about? Our own? The standard of all living humans? Just men (given the subreddit we're currently having this discussion in), reddit users, or only JustGuysBeingDudes commenters? Accepted standards vary wildly and who are we to impose our subjective standards on anyone else?
In our desperate search for answers, we find a tangentially related post in r/askphilosophy, which mentions an "Aristotelian virtue ethics standpoint".
This tells us two things. First: We should have paid attention in Philosohpy 101. Second: there seem to be different standpoints on ethical standards and, as we soon will find out, lots of them as well!
Since we are total laymen, a short google search brings us to the website of UTexas, or, to be precise, to the "Beyond Business Ethics" part of the UT Austin. While probably not the authority on ethics, it perfectly suits our purpose, since it manages to ELI18 ethical concepts. Let's take a not so quick detour to this site:
Alright, this is all getting a bit too complicated.
Maybe there's a reputable source than can give an easily digestable overview of the 'biggest' ethical frameworks? There is? Why, thank you, PBS, for your "Five Sources of Ethical Standards" (2008).
Sidenote: the source quoted in the PBS document now lists six frameworks, but I'll stick to the PBS list for the sake of brevity (lol, the irony).
Most of the approaches (such as The Utilitarian Approach, The Rights Approach aka Harm Principle, Virtue Ethics) are already covered in the list above, but what immediately jumps out to us (trying to argue the immorality of profiting off human tragedy, remember?) is
"The Common Good" Approach
[...] the notion that life in community is a good in itself and our actions should contribute to that life. This approach suggests that the interlocking relationships of society are the basis of ethical reasoning and that respect and compassion for all others - especially the vulnerable - are requirements of such reasoning. This approach also calls attention to the common conditions that are important to the welfare of everyone.
Again, the cited source (Markkula Center for Applied Ethics at Santa Clara University) has its own, super interesting (and balanced) "The Common Good" section. It is well worth a read.
A more "extreme" version of this seems to be the "Care Ethics" Approach, which fits even better into our narrative, but doesn't have its own section on the SCU site yet.
edit to include shortened summary:
Care ethics is rooted in relationships and in the need to listen and respond to individuals in their specific circumstances, rather than merely following rules or calculating utility. It privileges the flourishing of embodied individuals in their relationships and values interdependence, not just independence. It relies on empathy to gain a deep appreciation of the interest, feelings, and viewpoints of each stakeholder, employing care, kindness, compassion, generosity, and a concern for others to resolve ethical conflicts.
We take a moment, pondering the meaning of Life, the Universe and Everything (first introduced by D. Adams et al., 1982) to conclude that, when turning 42 years old and looking at it through the "Recently Born" lens, we will indeed have travelled 42 years into the future.
"What's the point?", we ask - "The ~~pointilism~~ point in all this?".
"«We» ask? I ask!", exclaims Subjectivism.
The point of philosophy? A new philosophy paper says there isn’t one
"What point?", asks Nihilism.
This is all happening inside your head. Best regards, Solipsism.
TL;DR: I've learned that, depending on the philosophical stance you take, it might or might not be (based on circumstances inside or outside of your control as well as unaccounted for and unforseeable factors) morally objectionable or agreeable (or non-action-take-able) to profit (depending on the definition of the word as well as the intention behind the action) off of human tragedy (which, in itself, is a very debatable word choice).
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Seeking out the best value for something is not "profiting", I'm just completely unsure how you are getting that.
So long as the guy nor the hotels (or whatever) are actually causing or incentivizing the terrorism attacks, I'm not sure how these people are profiting specifically off of this event.
If they didnt want him there, they wouldnt have sold him the ticket. There always is going to be a first person to travel to a city after a terrorist attack, hes just more inclined to go than most.
Also how dare he speak about himself when asked a question about himself. So selfish. If he doesn't personally acknowledge every victim of every attack then he must be a bad person. Damn this guy sitting on the side of the road with a sign. He's the worst.
When a hotel drops their price, the are still hoping people will rent the rooms at the lower price, not that people would avoid them altogether so as to not "take advantage". That would just make them lose even more money. It may seem like a cynical way to get a deal but it helps people who are not directly impacted by the tragedy other than having their primary source of income dry up completely because people stopped coming.
Now if you show up somewhere and they are still asking $300 but you talk them down to $30 knowing they are hurting you could make the case that this is taking advantage.
Using your stroller analogy, imagine it taking place at a yard sale after the funeral, not at the funeral itself. If they are asking $300 and you offer $30 you're an asshole. If they are only asking $30 even though it's worth $300, you're not an asshole if you take the deal. They probably just want to get rid of it instead of waiting for a full-price offer that's not likely to come.
There's nothing wrong with buying a discounted stroller at a yard sale (and they have to sell it because the owners child has died) per se. I won't even argue about taking advantage of someone else's misfortune, because that's basically the foundation of western economy.
My problem is with this guy deliberately and specifically only going to yard sales where he knows the child has died. And the gnarlier the circumstances, the better, because he'll get a better deal.
Like Gyllenhaal in Nightcrawler, but less psychotic and with a better laugh.
The grieving parents are probably even happy to be rid of the stroller, but he doesn't have to rub it in their faces with a laugh.
One last thought: how do you think the parents of the two beheaded scandinavian girls feel about this guy bragging about the good deal he got out of their childrens death?
But he never interacted with the parents, and if he had I doubt he would be having a laugh about his holiday deal. Probably doesn't laugh about it in front of the locals he does interact with either. But recounting it later with strangers the dark humor of his travel strategy is apparent. Comedians joke about dark topics all the time, but they have the sense not to do it right to the victim's face. I would assume this guy has the same situational awareness, but if not then yeah he's an asshole.
The Nightcrawler analogy would only apply if he actually sought out the victims or tried to visit the locations where those tragedies took place. It's more like if every time Jake Gyllenhaal chased an ambulance somewhere, all the stores in that neighborhood would always run a big sale the next day. This guy just shows up the next day for the deals, he's not the one chasing the ambulance.
Your analogies suck ass. Based on this comment alone and the contortionist levels of stretch you are using to slander this guy, I'd say YOU are a shittier human than he is.
That's a horrible argument. He doesn't profit at all. He literally loses money that goes into the local economy, even if he's not paying normal fare. That $300 hotel he paid $30 for? Could have kept their doors open in a desperate time. We need more people like him to keep economies flowing, and I guarantee you business owners would slap you for this opinion
If he’s losing money on the trip, he isn’t profiting.
30 bucks is 30 more than zero. This guy doesn’t set the rates.
This is assuming the rates are what he gets. If he starts to haggle saying they just had a horrific incident, he’s in the wrong.
It's overall a net positive thing for both sides. It's not like he has anything to do with these tragedies (or does he???)
It would be gross if the dude was going around trying to buy property from people right after a natural disaster or profiteering from their misery any other way but if anything he’s just contributing to the local economy during a period where it needs it the most.
Why is it unethical? He's not hurting anyone.
It has potential to turn into r/ShittyLifeProTips if there is ever another attack though.
I don't think it actually is unethical, it just kinda feels like you're capitalizing on a tragedy, which is kinda unethical depending on context and circumstance.
Only because of how it was phrased. If you say you do it to help provide support and show solidarity with the citizens impacted by the tragic event that unfolded, now you're a good guy.
Because that's what you're doing. You're providing money as needed through tourism, helping people keep their jobs that are dependent on tourism OR business (hotels are not just for tourism), providing normalcy, etc...
I was interested enough to look into research papers on how tourism and terrorism/natural disasters impact one another.
There is contested thoughts on how those who tour to a country before the country fully recovers can actually be harmful. It's very dependent on the country itself though. The negative impact can be brought by tourists making it difficult for fulfilling capacity needs of visitors, especially because infrastructure will need to be rebuilt, and disaster relief resources need to be carefully dispersed. While some positive impacts(typically to those who are wealthier and can have low tourism for a period of time without it being detrimental) include the ideas you propose.
Either way, with how ethics is a largely nuance gray area, I would argue the act of touring for cheaper prices is definitely a selfish one. One could argue a person could go and volunteer at these places, which can provide both foreign aid economically and physically, but that's not what actions are being put up for ethical debate
Source
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7115519/
That makes sense in the context of larger events, but doesn't really track with smaller terrorist ones like the ones this guy appears to follow. There'd be no need for volunteers or much additional resources for that sort of smaller scale event outside of increased security which is happening anyway.
I think it's a fair consideration in the context of larger terrorist events and especially natural disasters, though.
exactly. a beheading doesnt need volunteers, no infrastructure neess to be rebuilt, etc, but massively impacts tourism, making it very cheap
another thing is that countries are big, if a small town on one end gets bombed, going to major city on the other side of the country wont affect rebuilding efforts, but internationally its just "
I mean, that's like... major floods and disasters, right? This guy was talking about bombings and beheadings. That won't really affect major infrastructure or disaster relief resources.
Well, I guess he did say something about an earthquake in Peru, but he didn't know what happened there, only threw that out there as a guess.
mmm, I love me some good research.
That's just a bonus but its obviously not the main intention. If anything that may just be a reason we'd use to justify something like that. Either way it hurts no one so I wouldn't be mad at anyone doing it.
It's win-win though, the people who rely on toursim for their income are screwed if people stop coming.
My mother used to work for a photographer and after 9/11 she came to me crying because business was booming and she felt guilty they were capitalizing on the tragedy. They didn’t even do anything more people were just coming to them for family photos. I had to reassure her they were helping
I think it becomes unethical when it’s a travel vlogger and they profit from it. Also tone-deaf if they upload videos of them enjoying the trip and all. If you just go and enjoy your vacation for yourself, I think it’s fair.
Agree it's one thing to visit after a tragedy but an entirely different thing if u were going strictly to capitalize on the tragedy.
"Can you believe how empty this beach is! Someone died here but like....the views!"
If that brings even more tourists to the affected place, why not?
I mean, I didn’t say it was illegal, just unethical.
I doubt either concern applies. If you attract tourists to a place that sorely needs them, whom are you hurting if you also manage to earn something for yourself?
I myself wouldn't care, but some locals or relatives of people who died might consider it as disrespectful. But hey, as I said, even if it may be considered unethical for others, nobody is stopping you from capitalizing on a tragedy.
If some random travel blogger was going to visit some destination no matter what, should those locals try to have the blogger choose theirs or dissuade them from such a choice?
I’m having a hard time justifying the position of “we had a tragedy, so would the tourists and travel bloggers please choose other destinations”.
Yeah utilizing the opportunity for a good vacation is in no way unethical... but it rubs up right next to the idea of hoping for tragedy because you benefit from it. This isn't what he's saying, but the idea of benefiting from someone else's tragedy inherently invites that kind of thinking, and I think that's where the squick comes from.
Utilitarianism often wanders into squicky territory.
Now that there has been an attack, the region will be on high alert for a few months. It might just be the safest place to go to
Just because he doesn't hurt anyone doesn't mean it's ethical to turn a tragedy into a profit
It's kind of spikey, isn't it? And he's right, it does sound a little macabre.
There's a huge perceived difference between:
"Those two girls got killed, I bet seats are really cheap right now".
And
"I've always wanted to visit Istanbul, and while it's sad those girls were killed, all the people who rely on tourism to make a living have no fault in this. I bet seats are really cheap right now ".
I think it only becomes unethical if it turns out he was organizing the terrorist attacks so he could get a cheap hotel stay
I don't think it's unethical. I mean, most people avoid places where terrorism, natural disasters or other catastrophes happen, at least for a while. Which means tourism plummets and everyone relying on it to make a living can suck it. So by doing this, the guy actually helps the newly struggling businesses.
Why would it be unethical to take advantage of market prices dropping?
well its not hurting anyone, actually quite the opposite since you're benefiting the tourism industry there
but you're taking advantage of a death so idk
When he says "the security is fantastic!" I was thinking r/technicallythetruth
Lifeprotip for sure. He's helping the places by visiting.
Well, provided the first attack wasn't the first of many. Also, being and older white male he has certain privileges when travelling that not everyone enjoys.
Why is it unethical? Just because there’s an incident, doesn’t mean everyone living there should lose their livelihood. Folks like this will help keep the jobs in those locations - it’s not just getting good deals but also has some social benefits.
Probably an earthquake or something 💀
"some people prolly died or somethin iuno"
"iuno" - lmao once I said that out loud to figure out wtf you meant
Ya know what, I’m Peruvian and he’s got a point, earthquakes happen all the damn time there.
Could’ve easily went with “political riots” too.
Must've been a presidential impeachment.
Some people died or sumn, I forgor 💀
I-... i mean... at least dude is helping those places local tourism economy during the collapse of said trade temporarily from people canceling trips????
Hear me out; the guy being the only one on the bus etc still means that employer had to have the employee there and pay him because there was still a job to do etc
I uh... can't fathom the means but i can dig the gleans
I bet the tour guide had the best time kicking it with this dude over a crowded bus
As messed up as it sounds this is true. Back in 2001, I my family had a trip to Disney planned long before 9/11. The flight down was just happened to be the day the airports opened back up. I don’t remember how full the flight to Orlando was but I vividly remember how few people were in magic kingdom. The thing that I can recall most is that I was the only kid to be on the Big Thunder Mountain Railroad rollercoaster. Since there was literally no one else on, the staff let me stay on the ride. It was only after like the third go around that they made me get off and walk around the que haha. I spent the morning ridding countless times. Fast forward to today you have to either wait in an hour plus line or fast pass. Never again will something like this be possible.
Never again will something like this be possible
I mean, I'm very certain that there will be many more public-freezing terrorist attacks in the future, so I wouldn't be so sure about that. Just you wait d:
I was working at Disney World when 9/11 happened, what fucking horrific insane day all around.
Can you describe it? Was the fun just sucked after like 10am? Did people all completely vacate or did a good chunk stay?
For a few days prior to 9/11 I had planned to go down to the DMV to get my real license after having my permit. Spent all morning watching the news.....then went down to the DMV and walked in and went straight to the counter with no line at all and was out in about 10 minutes.
This can happen again if you contact my fellow brother from iraq Mohammed, he can get you sorted for cheap price no scam 👍
(This is just a joke and Idont take it to seriously lol I’m a Muslim too)
Unless...
Kinda similar thing happened to my family. We booked a trip during the summer of 2012 when Tropical Storm Debby was forecast to hit the Gulf coast near the Alabama/Mississippi border. Last minute the storm shifted east and headed straight towards north, central Florida. Had a couple sunny and busy days then a few days of heavy rain that emptied the park. Just wore a poncho all day and had a couple days of no lines for anything. Had a great time!
This actually works. My parents told me how they went to Egypt (sometime between 1999-2001 i think?) after there was some kind of terrorist attack there and had the time of their lives with barely any other tourists around for real cheap.
Have done this in Kenya after an attack on an airplane. Best Safari for very cheap.
"the horse has already left the barn" lmao
The terrorists already blew their load. I don't think they're going to waste another bomb on one old white guy, a bus driver and a guide. Now a revolution is a whole other thing. Might want to skip those.
My mother got to accidentally do this at the Vatican after that guard shot some people. She was the only one on the tour. Because she had high charisma, she was able to get access to more things and have a longer tour. Afterwards she felt disgusted by the opulence of their golden treasures despite having one of the best nerd days of her life.
Nonsense! Jesus wanted a Roman palace made of gold.
We scheduled our 10 year anniversary to visit St. Martin. The original SARS and ~~Desert Storm~~ Iraqi Freedom happened in between and we had a 5 star resort and a gorgeous island to ourselves.
Edited
Why would Desert Storm affect St Martin?
I feel robbed! I went to France a few weeks after their November 2015 terror attacks and nothing, nadda, rien was cheap about that trip. Nothing was less populated about that trip and the only noticeable difference was that post 9/11 type of fear many Americans had when they were in a semi-large group and something out of the ordinary happened in a large city and people sorta panic. For example, train to somewhere abruptly stopped, lights dimmed. Any other day of the year woulda been a buncha "Ah, wtf, I'm gonna be late" but that abrubt stop had people asking "Terrorist attack?!?!"
It was nice to go to place de la République to visit the memorial and donate though. Weird time to be in France though but many Americans have a ton of empathy towards that kinda stuff. I wasn't going to let that derail my plans and I got to enjoy it all, full price or otherwise.
1998 was a different time. Also the community is a lot smaller at the Vatican.
The last "yeah" hit me different.
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or maybe because he didn't. i remember them shutting down flights for a few days after 9-11
I remember living in the States when the Charlie Hebdo shooting happened in Paris and round trip flights from the East Coast were like $200 or something insane. Few buddies and I toyed with the idea of going
Bangin the local hooors! -Frank Reynolds
Frank Reynolds move was the first thing that popped into my mind.
Hurricane Fiona absolutely ruined Nova Scotia and now I pay $25 a night in an Airbnb at peak Fall foliage
I had no idea there were hurricanes in Canada!
Sheeeet, why rent when you can airbnb for that much? You're a genius
sauce?
I too want to learn more from this wise man
Podcast But Outside. Hilarious duo with a lot of hilarious guests just walking around
It’s also the only ethical podcast
Wym "the only ethical podcast"?
All the other podcasts are tested on animals
It's a running joke of the podcast. They pay their guests (typically random people) $1 to be on the show, instead of $0 and "exposure".
c'mon you'd think they could still throw in the exposure smh
Best I can do is a hotdog and a handshake.
Doughboys pays their guests and let's them sit inside
They're the world's first podcast
The worlds podcast
One of the podcasts of all time
They’re the only podcast that pays its guests
Looks like they're in Culver City. I'll be on the lookout for these dudes.
Favorite episodes?
You really couldn't deduce a source from watching the clip?
No I need strangers on the internet to tell me how to live my life
It's the podcast but outside episode "Outside a free speech rally"
https://youtu.be/EB0srEIe2_I
The ultimate mad lad
I was in Turkey just before him, after a bombing in Taksim Square and a a week before the bombing at the airport. Can confirm, everything was empty, prices were good, security was high—soldiers with machine guns checking our passports in and out if big cities.
To be fair, after the attack the economy definitely needs the money
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this is where the word stems from
Ya don't say
It's kind of true. I was stuck in Germany during 9/11 (I'm American). They cancelled my flight. On the next flight out I was only one of four passengers on the entire plane. Pilot brought me a beer.
Growing up we didn't have much spare money so in early 2002 my mom decided it was the perfect time to fly to New York.
What a legend
This is so fucking awesome..bout to take a family trip and with all the shit going on now..we have options lol
One year I worked at a summer school in England that always booked tickets to Alton Towers (theme park) about a year in advance for the hundreds of kids. One year we ended up going just after some kid lost both his legs in some tragic freak accident and it was amazing. Absolutely nobody there. No queues. I’ll never forget it. Plus, I’d never felt safer, because what are they odds it would happen AGAIN within weeks? The safety people would’ve been at the absolute top of their game.
He's out of line. But he's right.
This is Gold.
It's a bit macabre but his genius is undeniable.
I wanna be buds with this guy
Had an amazing trip to Japan a few months after the Fukushima disaster. He's not wrong.
Two girls get their heads cut off and this guy is like "I smell a discount"
The girls were also foreign visitors IIRC, the video was so much viral in Whatsapp and Facebook groups in Morocco. Many to this day think it was staged or edited because it was too blurry and low quality.
This is me when I went to Brooklyn this year after that insane subway shooting.
But you still had to pay normal prices for everything else
Yeah I didn’t really anticipate any price cuts, but it was quiet.
Lightning almost never strikes the same place twice right?
This guy bought the dip, in tourism.
Chad
Hes not qrong me and my wife schedules a vacation to vegas , 1 week before the vegas trip that shooting happemed. We still went , it was my birthday week. Got my room upgraded to a suite , won alot more than any of my previous vegas trips . There were mostly foreigners there . It was completely awesome .
I like how this guy thinks, time to book a flight to Odessa.
We went to Disneyland after 9/11 on a day there was a rumor they were going to blow up Disneyland and there were zero lines...at Disneyland.
Lmaooo I was supposed to go to India with my GF at the time for one of her extremely wealthy friend’s wedding… well we really didn’t want to go and the flight had a layover at the Istanbul airport so we used flight insurance to get our money back and claimed we were scared to fly through that airport.
They're the safest places to be immediately after to be fair.
Dude sitting at home, bored as shit, thinking "man I hope someone bombs Amsterdam"
Well fellas see you in Kiev soon
Why are these guys wearing masks outside? Not dude like!
Why do you care?
THIS GUY TRAVELS
So he’ll be in the us anyway and when world war three hits
Sounds like a plan
Well, he’s not wrong
I guess his next stop is a Florida vacation lol
Living in Florida rn, please don't come here for your own sake
I have friends doing the same thing. They always keep saying how privat the areas become.
Every other month this guy comes up and I love him more every time
My family got incredible prices on a cruise a few years ago after the company capsized that ship in the Mediterranean
My God... That's brilliant.
I did the El Camino De San Diego right after 911.
Stayed in gymnasium sized refuges alone a few times on that trip.
Some dude at the El Fna in Morocco kept calling me Bin Laden because i was tall.
That means if he has a dream tourist spot he's wishing for something horrible to happen there
I can’t find flaws in his logic
He has a point though
this is brilliant
Check out Dark Tourist on Netflix! It follows a guy who travels the world to check out macabre destinations. It’s only one season, sadly.
My father took vacation with my mother in Egypt after all the Qaddafi stuff happened and when they returned they were detained for 14 hours.
LEGEND
He's actually got a point
I went to Egypt to learn how to dive right after the revolution. It was amazing.
My friend and I were the only two people on the hotel, so got special treatment. It was easier for us to just tell them when the kitchen should be open.
We were also the only two students on the course, with two teachers. We did all our required drills super quick and spent the rest of the time enjoying the dives at totally empty dive sites.
10/10 would recommend.
By the time he threw out the word "macabre" in a real-life conversation, we already knew he was gonna say something a little weird yet also genius!
there's disaster tourism and then there's this guy
Statistically speaking he's not wrong.
And it doesn't sound like he's going there to see the carnage specifically...
I mean, I went to the UK at one of the lowest points of the pound getting fucked by Brexit. Saved a lot of money. This guys advice is sound.
The two girls. One of them was from my country, the other from the neighboring country… that shit hit home. There was a video circulating of the murders. I refused to see it. My heart goes out to the families.
We have to buy this home, it’s been pre-disastoured
Makes sense to me.
"Lightning doesn't strike in the same place twice" and all that.
He’s out of line be he’s right.
Ok so it happened to us twice by accident. Both times in France. Once after the bar shooting and another one the day after the truck run over tourists. Both times we decided not to cancel the trips. This guy is not lying.
Well, after 9/11 they grounded every domestic flight for like 3 days but I take his point.
I thought about this after the arab spring or whatever was called.
Egypt was empty, no ody wanted to go. Cheap af. Places that are normally crawling with tourists, completely empty...
I'm still bummed I decided not to go because work kr whatever, I can't remember.
This is a man who does not know terror.
I mean it probably helps to economy as well. Someone willing to spend money on something usually the seller wouldn’t be getting income from at that time.
I visited Ukraine for a dude this summer, a dude I liked. Like a lot. He started a fight with me and accused me of a few bizarre things and I was like “Sasha, you realise I travelled into a warzone for your sake? Would I do this for someone I only planned to hurt or offend?” He told me I was lying about my reasons for coming, that nobody would do something like that, and that I was therefore a dishonest and manipulative piece of shit.
Anyway, I guess I supported the local economy with the amount of alcohol I needed to stomach Sasha’s welcome. For anyone thinking of doing the same, make sure to try out the caramel vodka.
We’re staying at the Wynn in Las Vegas in November. Wife was worried about the stabbing that just happened. I told her honey it’s a good thing in a sense of something bad already happened so the Wynn is going to lock it down and have additional security, don’t worry.
I know it’s grim but after MH370 disappeared I remember thinking ‘there’d never be a better time to fly Malaysian airlines if I were travelling somewhere’. Fast forward 4 months and MH17 got shot out of the sky. Lightning can strike the same place twice I guess
This guy is living in the year 3000
Lol what a fucking savage
ok time to listen to ‘podcast but outside’ again 😂 been like a year
And that is why you always carry a bomb on a plane, because what are the chances of there being two?
Pretty sure Henry Rollins used to do something similar. Saw him do stand up years ago and essentially did a global tour of all the places he was told not to go and said it was fantastic.
Well he's actually kinda right
The Montez Griffin plan
It sounds evil, but he actually has a point. Everything would cost less and the security would be amazing
Missing the 200 dollar plane tickets from germany to jfk after 9/11.
I was able to sleep the whole flight and had an entire cabin to my self
Chad
This man living in 2050
I mean the security aspect is pretty legit ngl 😅
$280 round trip to Peru? Damn.
Just paid $1700 for my gf to fly from Peru to here and back 3 months later. Could've really used a $1400 discount.
My parents did this after 9/11 lol
So he's on a constant tour around us schools then?
Ah man, I drove through this intersection like half an hour ago. Small world.
I can attest, and feel dirty about it. We stayed at Mandalay bay about a month after the shooting- cheapest stay we've ever had in Vegas.
The travel industry hates this one trick!
That’s what happened when I went to Thailand after their military coup. Plane was so empty on the flight there.
He’s not wrong
I mean, he makes some very good points.
He's out of line, but he's right.
The guys is retired I wish I could do the same
You're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole
Okay that was really funny and innovative
I wish he wouldn’t have told everyone… I’ve been doing this for a while.
On the one hand it’s ghoulish to take advantage of human misery. On the other hand it makes out of reach experiences accessible to people who normally couldn’t do these things.
I'm up for this 🤷🏻♀️
This guy has a different view on life.
In July of 2009, I bought round trip plane tickets from Ohio to Hawaii for less than $300 because Korea wanted to launch a missile that weekend and Hawaii was its target. Sure, I could've gone out in a blaze of glory on a beach in Hawaii, but I had a super cheap (albeit short) vacation instead. Would highly recommend terrorism tourism, especially if you're a frugal person.
Warning: This only works if you don't look like the people who did the terrorist attack.
This guy is buying the dips.
He sounds like an interesting Colin Robinson
I mean...he's not wrong. Prices to those places plummet after something like that happens
I went to Houston in 2017 for an exam just after Hurricane Harvey decimated the area. Stopped by the shopping mall and everything was so cheap! Made out with two leather jackets from a very nice leather crafter’s store for a total of $50–normally would have been $120.
Still don’t get why my friends called me awful for doing that. Shopping wasn’t the main reason I was there, I didn’t cause the hurricane, every shop in that mall was struggling due to losing customers (it was dead quiet) so me being there actually cheered them up a bit, and it wasn’t like I forced them to put the jackets on sale.
Terrorists watching this: noted
I like how he thinks
I'm mean sounds fucked up. But he has a valid point though
😂😂😂😂
That's the most logical person. Give that man an award already.
I'm not saying that I agree with him but I'm also not saying that I wouldn't do the same
I remember those two girls. One of them were the same nationality as me. Her pleiing in Norwegian in the video is just awful, absolute the worst video I’ve ever seen
It’s supporting a damaged tourism economy while saving yourself some dough. This is awesome.
I'm having a hard time finding a downside to his plan🤨😂
I met someone who does travel planning and is known for providing great deals. They have contact with private military contractors and then set up trips after shit goes down. Very similar to this guy.
I'd go with him. He seems cool
That man is a fucking genius.
Morons with face diaper beaks outside. LOL.
Well yeah it's technically the most safe right after one sooo
It’s supporting the local business (?)
I got a 300$ hotel for 30$.. so, they could in general lower the price to 30$ ?
Tourrorism
Was in Paris for work right after the November 2015 attacks - waltzed right into the Louvre, there was no line at all (it normally covers half the square outside the museum). Thanks ISIS!
Omega brain
Tourism terrorism
I hate how clever this is.
I was actually also in Istanbul after that bombing, about 3 days after. Airport was a lil scary, as I was 14 and don’t speak Turkish. Beautiful, though. Good trip.
Nice
Well, I guess somebody's got to be there to keep the business going through the slow seasons.
r/lifehacks
he looks like a sober Steve Bannon but he's chill
This is a great idea let me get my plastic explosive now
I mean, he's right.
As someone who works in the tourism industry, these are the people who make it all worth it.
Talk about being opportunistic...
My mom and her boyfriend do the same thing actually
Funn
Oh my-
"The closer you are to danger, the further you are from harm!"
r/lifeprotips OR r/shittylifeprotips
What is with the masks? Lol they’re outside.. get a grip
Absolutely genius!!!
Stop vertical video syndrome.
Very true. Did that in Istanbul and got a really great flight with Turkish Air back to America. Best flight I’ve ever had
I flew to Europe in Nov of 2001 from Newark Airport, and I'll say that the flight was super cheap and I had a lot of room to myself both ways. And security was beyond tight. This guy gets it.
Wow a podcastbutoutside clip, thats rare
I went to Paris just after the bombings without any reason just because. Well, it was -1,00 € (MINUS one euro) I still payed taxes (+- 20euros at the time). Sometimes you just have to...
I still paid taxes (+-
FTFY.
Although payed exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. The deck is yet to be payed.
Payed out when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. The rope is payed out! You can pull now.
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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Was taught at a young age to buy holiday themes day after the holiday
I mean… fuck, it makes sense. It’s not likely it will happen again right after, since security is buffed up
Bro was in Hiroshima after the nuclear bombing
Let's be the reason this guy gets to go to places for cheap
On 9/12/2001, I think all flights were grounded? And who uses Orbitz anymore?
Complete savage. Not funny but…. Ahem. Good strategy
This is the best life hack for travels
Bro has the system beat
So go to Japan after the Godzilla attacked?
This had me in tears
like buying a car after theyve had a recall. you know those next cars off the line are going to be safe
I mean it’s grim but he ain’t wrong.
My dad always used to buy our lane tickets the day after plane crashes it’s a pro strat
Genius
I’m in the same boat. I got a balcony suite on a week long Norwegian cruise to Caribbean for under 800 - unlimited drinks, Wi-Fi, speciality restaurants, 55$ credit per day on shore excursions (so pick something like 80$ that keeps you busy the whole day and pay only 25). My flight from LA to Miami was less than 220$. This was in March. Including airfare, the whole trip was less than 1200. Now the suite alone is probably 3000.
disaster tourism..
I don’t think he’s doing a bad thing or be ashamed of it.
He’s not supporting terrorism in any way or making it worse somehow. He’s just getting a more affordable travel, as weird as it sound.
On my way to Ukraine
He’s the real MVP
Thanks for the awesome idea good sir
That man and I are on the same level, lol
I’m mean if it work it work I suppose
Guy is literally taking the “Restaurant closed because of inspection and reopened” trick for traveling and I love it
I’m not saying he right or wrong but a deal is a deal
This guy is hilarious how he laughs when he says he was on the same trail they were on , such a wholesome laugh for something so macabre
When you think about it, it's actually very smart. I mean, you never hear about a city getting attacked twice.
At first I was that's dumb, but than I was like wait, he has a point
This is fucking hilarious.
bro. . . OK maybe you got something here.
That’s honestly kind of really wise. This reminds me, back in 2017, me and my gf decided to go backpack tripping in Europe, and we bought our plane tickets a week or two before the Ariana Grande Liverpool (I think it was Liverpool?) bombing. It sketched us out, but we went anyway. Second week of the trip, we were in London, and we witnessed from about 2-300 feet’s the London bridge attack, where some dude with bomb vest that didn’t went out attacked people in bars and stabbed a few. It was hectic, and we were fuckin scared straight at this point. However, for the remaining 10 days of the trip, the security was SO freakin tight, nothing could’ve happened after. So all in all, as he said once the horse left the barn, you’re all good
I was in Istanbul too around that time. For a layover when I was going to Spain. He’s right, it was a ghost town. The airport was mostly military or military police
I aspire to be this man
I visited NYC inadvertently the day after the remnants of hurricane Ida hit the city and many parts of Manhattan typically filled with tourists were empty. It was weird, but I certainly did not miss the crowds.
I need to imprint this in my mind
Who's trying to go to Ukraine with me.
This is real sight seeing
This man has graduated from 700 US highschools.
Actually he's a good man. The hotels etc need guests to survive. If nobody goes there, everyone there would be unemployed and poor. See it as a form of support
He was cooking before anyone else
5head
This guy should be the one with a podcast, not these losers who have nothing to say.
The whole idea of the podcast is to have random strangers on and tell their stories.
Does he have to pay extra for his balls? Cause that's a lot of extra luggage.
FYI no one was on a flight to New York on 9/12/2001
ALL US civilian air traffic was halted until 9/13.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closings_and_cancellations_following_the_September_11_attacks
You must be fun at parties.
Yeah, who cares about facts and truth. Let’s get drunk bro! /s
I was at a trade show in Vegas and we couldn’t fly home so we loaded into our rental car and drove across the country at an average of 130 mph for 24 hours straight. Fueling up was like a pit stop and we had a system to rotate who did what so we had food and drinks and everyone got the bathroom in a few minutes. Very few people on the road and no planes anywhere except over Colorado where we saw the stealth planes.
🤓
So not only is the flight cheap you get a voucher and free hotel stay for a day too?
N95s outside is about as cringe as it gets..
To be fair this video first came out right after the first wave of shutdowns and people were being overly cautious and paranoid, and mask verbiage was very mixed
that's... a bit fucked.
No Walter, you're not wrong, you're just an asshole.
White Volvo c30 in the background. Noice
This is super western.
This is super western.
It's honestly not, Westerners are kind of the opposite, they read about some crime or some scary thing about a foreign place, take it completely out of context because they know nothing about the country and write the whole country off as dangerous and too scary to visit.
The number of times I have heard an American say "I wouldn't go to X it's too dangerous" about a country with a way lower homicide rate than the US is fucking hilarious. For the West on West version of this see all the Europeans and Australians I know who would never go to the US because it's too dangerous to visit as tourists lol, I know a guy who desperately wants to climb in Yosemite but won't go to the US because he thinks he will get shot as a middle class, white, Dutch dude going climbing in a National Park.
THAT is western as fuck.
Yeah I remember hearing about the last time an Australian woman called the police in the U.S, she experienced some true American freedom from breathing that night
Yeah I remember hearing about the last time an Australian woman called the police in the U.S,
No you don't lol, do you have any idea how many Australians have called the police in the US since 2017? My guess is tens of thousands.
It's not that the US isn't a fucked country, it is, it's also a literally negligible risk that a white tourist going to a national park in the US will get shot, like such a small risk that it is actually incredibly stupid to be worried about it.
Laughing like idiots at every death toll.
I thought this was Steve Bannon for a second and got very freaked but once I turned my audio on and heard it was just some dude sharing amazing travel advice I chilled out.
Idk, I’d be concerned if an image of any single public figure made me leap to an emotional response like that. Maybe that’s not a good thing
Do you not know who Steve Bannon is?
Fully aware, also in control of my emotions enough that an image doesn’t spiral me into anxiety, anger, fear, sadness, or whatever else qualifies as freaking out
Alright sorry for being a little hyperbolic in my language. My point was that I thought it was a person who is, yes, objectively bad, making a point about their lifestyle that was objectively interesting, but it turned out to not be them.
No need to be sorry, I was genuinely indicating that it is a severe response that might be worth evaluating, if real
I was just typing words out on my keyboard, man. Language is fun sometimes.
Idk, I’d be concerned if an image of any single public figure made me leap to an emotional response like that.
There is no person in history or on the planet whose appearance gives you an emotional response?
I think you might be the abnormal one in that lol.
Straw men are for corn fields
What strawman do you see in my comment lol? I think you also don't know what that means.
Wait what happened on the 9th in December 2001?
Weak, go during civil war or unrest. Been huddled under a bridge but left as the famalies where at risk by me being there.
There were no flights on 9/12/01 genius!!!
Though it was made two years after the attack, the movie Club Dread was able to be made on the cheap because the Mexican resort it was filmed at was hurting because of the drop in tourism following 9/11. (I think they talked about it on the DVD commentary.)
ALL flights were grounded on 9/12/01.
Now I feel old.
Thanks.
9/12/2001 on a plane to New York…somehow I think that might have been hard to pull off.
Some domestic or foreign organization…. Is literally targeting, Chemically dependent Americans and any and all private activities ….everywhere but on the HILL
I mean the guys not wrong lol. Dumb? Maybe but not wrong.
How can they wear masks for a podcast? Who the fuck listens to this muffled shit? Are they so centered on signaling their support for slavery with their symbols of oppression?
This is not uncommon. The idea is what is that chance of another attack?
Once in an English lesson I said Terroristinformation instead of Touristinformation thought this might fit under this post
If he was in the US after 9/11, all flights were canceled so there is no way he would have been on a flight to New York the next day unless he was in a different country. Even then, flights weren't allowed in for a few days so....
Sala
Liar
Get in a hotel after 9/1/2007
The best time to rob a bank is right after they’ve been robbed. You know they have poor security. The best time to visit a country is after a terrorist attack. Luckily they ramp up security a lot faster. I guess?
9/12/2001 you're on a flight to New York…
Uh, no you aren't.
Main character energy.
Wouldn’t recommend Ukraine or Russia at this time though.
I get a Steve Bannon vibe from this guy
I was in Paris during the most intense "Yellow Vest" protests as they began in November and early December in 2018. Our Air BnB host offered us free lodging for a "few days" in this brilliant loft in Voltaire. She was so cool for that. There was a possibility we couldn't get out of the airport, where they also had the gilets jaunes. We got home OK, but what an experience. I believe we went back the following year and these riots were still going on, just not as gnarly as that December. I did go out on my own and got some brilliant street photos of the protests down in Bastille. These protesters were actually pretty friendly, even to this obvious American.
The Yellow Vests Protests or Yellow Jackets Protests or Yellow Vests Revolution (French: Mouvement des gilets jaunes, pronounced [muvmɑ̃ de ʒilɛ ʒon]) are a series of populist, grassroots weekly protests in France that began on 17 November 2018. At first the protestors advocated economic justice; later they called for institutional political reforms. After an online petition posted in May 2018 had attracted nearly 1 million signatures, mass demonstrations began on 17 November. The movement was initially motivated by rising crude oil and fuel prices, a high cost of living, and economic inequality.
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Americans.
I’ve seen that video of the two white girls getting decapitated in Morocco. The fact that he knew those girls were on the same trail and still went… fuccckk.
Eh, I’d go. Just to piss on Abdessamad Ejjoud‘s house. 😩〽️🏠
Nothing like one human celebrating death and misery with his entitled vacations. Like someone stealing a wallet from a dead body
He's not celebrating terrorism, he just schedules his travel around it. If you listen closely you'll notice that he never says "boy do I love it when people commit atrocities", he just says that security is tighter and tourism nosedives after these things happen
The closest he gets to celebrating is when he agrees to the other guy saying something like "you see a terrorist attack, you think let's hit Orbitz."
Which isn't all that close.
He is supporting local business owners who are suffering from lack of tourism and business in the aftermath of an attack
Do you think local businesses affected by a nearby terror attack should go broke?
Eh, he's dead he doesn't need it.
That's the right attitude! No one matters but meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Now you're getting it!
Ok what's he suppose to do. Cry about it?
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Lmao he's swingin' wild!
I read that in cletus' voice from the simpsons.
You’re probably exhausting to be around huh?
Dead people don't matter because they're not fucking alive. The families of those dead people often matter however, but like they do not give a shit about a guy they don't know going on a holiday they don't know about.
Delete your account and refrain from using the internet for a while. Doctors orders. - Your physician
Like a little elementary school kid trying to be edgy as fuuu
We should all avoid every country that gets with terrorism like the plague so their economy takes a huge hit too. Then when people have to close their businesses we should celebrate how kind we were to them.
Wrong. Re read my comments. Travel wherever you want but you're a shit if you celebrate someones death or torture
No one celebrated
Then you didn't watch the video. watch again.
I did watch the video. No one celebrated.
So they were upset about it?
There are more states of being than being upset and active celebration
Okay Dr Freud
dude quit fucking crying nobody gives a shit
aw, baby dropped their binky
Wait what, who is he stealing from?
It's more akin to: Someone died and withered and the plants I grow in the same spot now grow better.
If it makes you feel better.
Well better is relative. People die, and do so horribly, all the time. And have been since the dawn of humanity. We as a general society are slowly improving so its gets better and better and the chance for anyone person to suffer a bad fate reduces... but it still happens (and with billions of people it still happens alot).
But as an individual outside of voting for a party strong on civil rights there isn't much one can do. So might as well live with the knowledge and, as in the case of this guy, make the best of it.
No one looses anything by his attitude... quite the contrary, it helps the destinations an attack took place to try and keep open - to pay its employees who might starve otherwise.
I don't see how he is causing harm to anyone or why anyone living their life this way should be reprimanded. Only thing is the might be bit apathetic about the suffering, but there too people process such things differently.
Yup and your TLDR of blabber didn't include the fact that you can travel wherever you want whenever you want. That's not my point.
My point is this guy is happily celebrating the fact that he enjoys travel because people were tortured or murderd or executed. Thats a clear difference than the BS you just wrote
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You must have scratched yourself grabbing your pearls so tightly. Your little creative tangent has nothing to do with what I wrote. Calm your tits
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Stop projecting. Don't get mad at me because you went off on a silly tangent.
dude shut the fuck up
Never
go for it but after I block you you won't be able to reply to anyone here anymore. dumbass
SMASH that report button like anyone gives a shit
The lack of empathy is sociopathic. This is Dahmer level shit. I’d suggest watching the Netflix show Dark Tourism, the host does a great job is humbling these types of smug edge lord assholes.
I feel like this would be sweet for an average looking white dude, more than anyone else, in the majority of these places.
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