How much time do we have left? The paypal $2,500 thing seems suspicious...
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Some people believe the internet as we know it is on borrowed time.

For now, you can still create anonymous email and social media accounts.

It seems like this is slowly but surely becoming more difficult and time-consuming.

For example, I recently created an instagram account, because you need to be logged in to see posts now.

They wanted my mobile number and a selfie (of me holding a piece of paper with a special code on it).

For now, you can create an online merchant website and sell just about whatever you like.

Physical items, digital products, online courses, membership-based website access, the list goes on.

A regular person can buy / offer these and more via paypal, stripe, and other platforms (for a fee).

The recent paypal 'mistake' (?) regarding fining customers for 'disinformation' raises eyebrows.

Will we soon find ourselves with fewer and fewer options for offering / buying non-PC goods and services?

In short, I'm asking: How much time do we have left?

Is the paypal thing just a distraction, part of a fear-based pysop, disgined to have a 'chilling effect'?

Do we still have years if not decades to go with the internet more or less as it exists today?

Or are we seeing the beginning of the end of the internet as we know (knew) it?

Over to you. Cheers in advance for all thoughtful responses 🙏

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I think the time we have left for online anonymity is measured in years, but not many. I wouldn't be surprised if it's gone entirely by 2030.

I put a lot of blame on two things:

Third Party Authentication. This is where you have to receive a text in order to log in or register for a site. This instantly ties your online activity on that site to the real world by connecting it to your phone number. Most email providers and social media require this. This was done under the pretense of security, but, as always, security was never really an issue. The real reason for this is to (1) connect to you in the real world, (2) limit you to one account per person/device, and (3) provide a really easy way to lock you out forever. I couldn't tell you how many clients I've had that have to make a new email address every time they get a new phone, or who simply will never be able to apply for Social Security due to having switched phones.

Shift in online culture. We all remember when the internet was new and you never gave out your real name. Any website that asked for real information was considered scammy and you didn't create an account. Heck, you didn't even need accounts for most stuff. The people entering the internet now, and for the last 10 years or so, did not experience that. They use their real names for accounts. They assume everything requires an account (with that third party authentication). They don't hesitate at all to tie stuff to their real life.

Generation games. One reason why I believe there are stark differences culturally between generations. Children grow up in a world very different to parents, creating a divide.

Anonymity is already gone. Its not the internet alone that you have to consider. Everything is about profiles that can be linked.

Congress authorized phone carriers to sell your data. Now if you have a paid phone plan that was not in crypto you are easy to link to all number of other things on the internet. If you paid in crypto but you enter that number in anything that has an email, once again they linked you. Two factor auth is not about security its about tracking. Two factor is not even a good security method but that is a much longer discussion, hackers show new loopholes in two factor every year.

Do you have a bank account or more importantly credit card? Once again it is a simple matter to link you to basically anything once you start using it. Credit companies can freely sell you to anyone they want. The credit tracking companies link you to just about anything in life that makes you money.

If you ever clicked share phone contacts on anything they can pretty much link you by your contacts to well anything. 99% of the contacts you have are going to not even care about anonymity at all. Their treasure trove of information becomes a direct link back to you. Once they have that bit of info your privacy is basically gone.

The internet already died a while ago now unfortunately.

This isn't the beginning or the end, just a minor change you noticed in what has been a constant progression.

Well yeah, it is technically a constant progression—an inch at a time so as to not alert everyone—however, supposedly there were some attached dates to the document that would suggest this was going to be attempted in the near future.

My question is, what event will facilitate the allowance of companies like PayPal to do something like what was in their agreement? The “tipping point” so-to-speak. Obviously introducing this shit THIS early would cause backlash (which it did, obviously), but just like we accepted the TSA after 9/11, there is an event that could take place sometime soon, that would usher in the “social credit score” type system that would allow every company with an agenda to suddenly enact strict and arbitrary rules over its former consumers (now slaves).

Honestly we accepted a lot more than just TSA after 9/11. The patriot act, the Edward Snowden leaks and wiki leaks we have let a lot of just go on by. Not to mention the fact that everyone who just blindly accepts website terms and conditions and privacy policies without ever reading them. Everyone using smart phones and social media already gives up everything about them which is then sold in bulk

They're constantly chipping away. And They ain't stopping..

I believe Google/YouTube etc will soon make it mandatory to link an I.D of some kind to your account. They're already asking for a phone number now for new accounts. Only a matter of time.
Hence, I have been archiving all of my favourite videos as I anticipate the end of privacy online fast approaching.

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Checks out. Mind blown. Need an explanation for real.

Either the search engine is lying about results for reputation and bragging/advertising purposes (quite possible) or it's lying about not finding that many results & engaging in censorship, or a combination of both, as it seems whatever way it's divivded, they're lying.

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Yeah, unfortunately, aside from manually inputing IP addresses and seeing what comes up for each one (which would be very laborious) I'm not too sure how to see what the internet actually holds... there are some indexers which are alts, ("goodgopher" for example for a specific kind of content, wolfram alpha which I'm not even sure how to use or what use it could be, etc.) but as yet I don't know of anything which legit indexes everything at every IP, and shows the entirity of it's index aboveboard as well. Some people find "more" results by utilizing something colloquially called "dorking" with gugle, but that also has limited results and nothing terribly exposing etc. (It can occasionally show something from a website that isn't intended for public viewing, if a site admin has had some lax security maintinence with gugle being aggresive and virus-like, but again, nothing major that I know of.)

I know that the tor-net/darknet exists of course, but it seems to me as if that is controlled as well, just with seedier material up front to appear as uncontrolled... after all the u.s. navy and state dept. had their claws in tor right from the start, no? The whole thing with cryptoag as well showed that a company can be deep controlled as well or work as a proxy for an intelligence agency when it got right down to it... in that case a shared asset with germany's bnd and the u.s.'s national security agency. (I'd link an article here, but I think reddit has a sitewide ban on electrospaces(dot)net)

I believe Google/YouTube etc will soon make it mandatory to link an I.D of some kind to your account.

it's already a thing here (EU) for age gated content. what's even worse it's not your ID but it has to be a credit card on your name and while they claim to pay the "verification money" back, I wouldn't risk it (plus transaction taxes).

Ypu can get around that. I did (no credit card) cant remember how though as was in benzos when i did it.

Ypu can get around that.

I did, don't worry. There's no chance in hell I'll doxx myself to big tech, I'll just leave if it comes to that.

They already have all your info anyway. In that regard running away won't work. But consider ending the development there, and not giving them any more. For example, move to a cash country that has 'high corruption'. Those places are usually the safest in terms of corporate surveillance.

For example, move to a cash country that has 'high corruption'.

I don't have to move, I'm in Hungary. 😂😂😂

There's no such thing as private on DARPA's internet. I think we're finally having an understanding as to why the internet was created/given to us to begin with. It was over before it started, IMO. I don't fear any of this stuff anymore - it is what it is. Anyone familiar with the idea they are pushing out of the 'Digital Twin ?'

These are quotes from a book published in 1970.

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“Another threat, less overt but no less basic, confronts liberal democracy. More directly linked to the impact of technology, it involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled and directed society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite whose claim to political power would rest on allegedly superior scientific knowhow. Unhindered by the restraints of traditional liberal values, this elite would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by using the latest modern techniques for influencing public behavior and keeping society under close surveillance and control. Under such circumstances, the scientific and technological momentum of the country would not be reversed but would actually feed on the situation it exploits.… Persisting social crisis, the emergence of a charismatic personality, and the exploitation of mass media to obtain public confidence would be the steppingstones in the piecemeal transformation of the United States into a highly controlled society.”

― Zbigniew Brzeziński

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“The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities. ”

― Zbigniew Brzeziński, Between Two Ages: America’s Role in the Technetronic Era

Essentially calling the whole “dead internet” phenomenon before we even “got mail”.

Bragging about the plans before they're even implemented, typical. For this reason I want to revist some Anime, and comb their plotlines since some of this stuff seemed to come out via those channels, and in weird ways. (ala ghost in the shell: stand alone complex and the whole kovid thing, darkside blues and NWO stuff in general, and more recently things like psychopass etc.) Perhaps GitS:SAC 2nd gig is worth revisiting as well, though that might be hard to find.

I'm not sure why it is exactly that anime seems to get such stuff in it, but it certainly is bizarre. (Some even go so far as to try to promote technology as if it's magic and should be venerated/worshiped almost, such as the movie "sleeping princess", others highlight stuff that seems to be coming, like sword art online, and the use of neuro-connected devices etc. I recall specifically an episode where a girl with some kind of nasty disease was wired into the game via a system that also sent impulses through her nerves to stem pain.) Of course combing back through vids on Truthstream Media might also prove informative as well, considering the things they've covered over time... I note their vid on the interparliamentary union, the u.n.'s grandad, was certainly informative, as was their vid on the prometheus project, both of which I'll link here, lets see if reddit lets them through: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2hN7CHGGqU & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EUJaS_NuAM Their vid on "would you worsip an ai god" might also be relevant here as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l2RNa9Q7Ws

The Prometheus thing is interesting. I've been following along with the new financial system for a couple of years now, and one that has really gotten my attention is Allianceblock over in Zug Switzerland [Crypto Valley] - they have something called the Prometheus Protocol. Prometheus, being the one that stole fire [light] from the gods and gave it to man. Often associated with Lucifer, the bringer of light.

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I have some more fun quotes from Maurice Strong who was a part of the UN / Club of Rome, who promoted this climate change nonsense. This stuff that is being implemented is not at all new.

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Licences to have babies incidentally is something that I got in trouble for some years ago for suggesting even in Canada that this might be necessary at some point, at least some restriction on the right to have a child.Maurice Strong

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After all, sustainability means running the global environment - Earth Inc. - like a corporation: with depreciation, amortization and maintenance accounts. In other words, keeping the asset whole, rather than undermining your natural capital.Maurice Strong

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What if a small group of world leaders were to conclude that the principal risk to the Earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?Maurice Strong

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Technocracy is back! I find this old stuff really fascinating. The dream of the Technocrats is to replace money with energy credits.

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The Energy Distribution CardTHAT WHICH CEASES TO FUNCTION, CEASES TO EXIST.Adapted from an article in the Technocracy Magazine, July 1937Copyright 1938, Technocracy Inc. Edited, Updated and printed: August 2006

THE ENERGY DISTRIBUTION CARDAs each day passes it becomes more evident that our socio-economic structure is unsustainable in the technological, scientific age in which we live. Consequently, Technocracy Inc., a membership organization which is scientifically oriented, continues to put forward the ideas which the organization developed and presented more than 75 years ago.One aspect of Technocracy’s analysis is that our “Price System,” which include our current “means of exchange and accounting” (i.e. money), is not a natural requirement of a functioning society in our advance age of science and technology. Though debt tokens go back over 7,000 years in human history, the time is here when wrenching an accountable profit from society’s interactions is too expensive in environmental and human costs.Using an Energy Distribution Card as a means of accounting is a part of Technocracy’s proposed change in the course of how our socioeconomic system can be organized. This Energy Distribution Card pamphlet describes in part the “how” and “why” of moving from a Price System to Energy Distribution Cards.

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https://www.technocracyinc.org/the-energy-distribution-card/

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Sorry about the jumbled quote boxes. Reddit screws everything up every single time I try to use these things, lol.. If I try to edit and fix the quote boxes, things get even worse. Sorry.

No problem about the formatting, reddit itself doesn't appear to be coded too well, anyway. Glad to see someone else who actually knows about the club of rome etc. and technocracy's energy credits does seem like things I've been saying... "current as currency" so to speak, which ultimately is what cbdcs are, as they can't exist without electricity and tech to move and hold them. The old plan for cashless society still creeping around in all of that... and we see acolytes and conditioners for it all over these days with the push for "crypto" and "NFTs" etc. all of which is priming the general public for acceptance of that. This is the reason I still deal in cash and physically existing items by and large.

Something to be said of that though is that we know from examples like say, venezuela that they can try to strong arm use of cards or credits via devaluing the cash and other dirty tricks, making it so astronomical impractical amounts of cash would be required to afford even a basic food cart's wares... but I wonder at how this can be opposed, what kind of monkey wrench can be applied to such tactics to mess with them? (I took note of what happened with the whole gamestop thing and wondered, does some money have stocks on it, so to speak, and could those then be used to raise the value of the cash in question against the wishes of the "they"/the cabal?)

They can't inflate away gold and silver coins, despite the fact that they set the price in London each day. This has been my hedge for nearly 10 years now, though is hasn't played out as I expected.

The 'energy as currency' thing is fascinating to me. I think it was Patrick Wood that I first heard point that out. The idea that your monthly allowance of 'energy credits,' aka digital fiat would have an expiry date, so you would be incentivized to use it in the amount of time allotted. So that eliminates savings all together...which is an aspect I never would have thought of.

One of these "NWO" crypto companies is called Energy Web. Having to do with carbon or zero emissions or something. I know they are connected with one of the family members [Quandt] that owns part of BMW, and has to do with a digital ID for cars. We now see BMW leading the way in the subscription model - even if your new BMW has heated seats, your ability to use them is based on a monthly subscription....no shit. Even Dodge is getting in on this via their new Challenger which will be electric I believe. Not only will it be electric, but all the cars are essentially the same, however, you will pay for the different tiers. For example, a base mode will be the same as the top tier Hellcat model, the difference being what you pay. They will then 'unlock' the features via coding. You don't get the max horsepower or luxury features unless you pay for it. Looking at the skyrocketing price of these vehicles, the whole "welcome to 2030" and owning nothing thing is certainly making more sense. You won't own these cars, you'll just share them with your whole neighborhood. I would imagine this 'mark of the beast' will be your very own QR code. Your 'shared' EV will unlock features that you pay for, via your QR code. This is how I vision things.

Interestingly enough, going back to the precious metals thing, there is another 'NWO' crypto project ( LCX ) that is already beginning to 'tokenize,' or digitize things like this. They started with diamonds (calling them Tiamonds - tokenized diamonds), but are currently at some event in Europe where they are discussing tokenized gold.

Personally, I don't think you can really fight this one. I would have said there was a chance if things happened very differently in 2020, however, they pulled off the unimaginable. Based on the vast number of people that still cannot figure out that the whole C19 was a hoax, and even more-so, the even smaller numbers that can see the 'vaxx' is also a hoax....I'm betting that they get their 'NWO' monetary system quite easily. SO, I'm buying their digital nonsense. If you can read what the WEF and others are telling us, I think it just might give us the upper hand. I am a believer that the whole reset will HAVE to give the illusion that things are good and all the problems are fixed. For example, I think that the American 'war for independence' was mostly a hoax, as in, nobody defeated the British. Instead it was part of a dialectic to give the people of the 'new world' the illusion that they won. I suspect this reset will have a similar feeling to it. SO I want to get in early and at least reap those rewards. I genuinely don't think everyone is going to get 'locked down.' There is always a Brave New World type of caste system, and I don't have any desire to be on the bottom of that pyramid this time, LOL.

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In the new world, it is not the big fish which eats the small fish, it’s the fast fish which eats the slow fish.

Klaus Schwab

Oh, also going back to the 'Digital Twin' thing. Add in the 'tokenization' idea to say, social security numbers, and people will be put on the blockchain and tokenized. It's all in the wording - we had the internet. You 'surf the web,' or 'browse the net.' Webs and nets catch things. Now we have 'blockchain.' In prison, you live on a block and wear chains. It's so damn obvious, but most can't see it.

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Cheers.

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This is interesting.

I wonder if my computer or IP address is somehow flagged by their systems.

The good news is that I sent a fake selfie, and it worked 😎

Not long ago, you didn't even need an account to browse instagram.

Seems like they are slowly but surely making it more difficult to remain anonymous.

I have supposed that " thispersondoesnotexist.com " might be helpful for such. Have you tried that?

Indeed 😎

There are but there are definitely some reasons for certain things.

  1. The IRS wants to know if you are making money

  2. There is a general awareness to prevent fraud which has resulted in things like 2 factor authentication

  3. There is increased linkage between financial accounts and social media accounts

  4. Advertisers want to know everything about you

  5. Increased liability as things such as mass shootings get posted on social

The dark web is infinitely more anonymous than any clear web

They are.

I'm told soon even your gaming system & computers will have a code just like mobile phones do for unique identification, the PlayStation 5 was actually supposed to have this but for some reason didnt

Technically the system is here, IPv6, there's enough IP addresses for every device on the planet to have a unique identifier.

The people who are saying that this has been a constant progression are correct.

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One thing you need to keep in mind is that the Internet is global. While privacy 'protections' in the United States have become laughable, this is not true of every economically viable country. Dubai for example has ironclad privacy laws.

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Services like YouTube and PayPal function across boarders, and for the moment, must strike a balance between the total carte blanche they have in the West, vs the restrictions they still face elsewhere. Some companies like Netflix try to use the equivalent of "digital passports", limiting content or services based on the location of you IP address. It isn't really that simple though, in a world of VPN's and Proxies. For the moment, such solutions are here to stay.

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The infrastructure of the surveillance Matrix is monolithic in the early 21st century, but it is NOT unified. Not yet, anyway.

The internet as I knew it ended many years ago.

They push, and push, and push some more, until they hit some backlash. Then they retreat a step, and slowly start to push, again.

It’s dead because people killed it. They’re voluntarily giving out their real names, selfies, addresses, numbers, even ideas and opinions thus making a perfect profile of who they really are without any resistance.

I say only: "Reddit"!

Reddit itself is a Tool of surveillance, exploitation and propaganda!

We should not look out for other social Media as long as we exclude Reddit from our opinion.

Reddit is a big part in "the Wall"!

The way people responded to PayPal gives me hope. As long as large groups are willing to stand for what is right and just (as all the people who left paypal did) we will have as long as our lungs draw breath.

I do however believe this is a foreboding situation as you insinuated. Paypal was just a little too early to the digital extortion party. If we were on a digital currency they could have stuck to their guns and possibly succeeded.

Physical currency must be kept at all costs. Giving supervising entities the power to fine & shut down our ability to purchase will only end badly.

I noticed that thing slike samsung are demanding social security numbers for new phones now (whether it's them directly or affiliates, I don't know as yet though.) but that strikes me as a very serious invasion of privacy and something that a cellular phone company doesn't have the right to ask.

Thankfully I don't own any cell phones etc. which it seems davos/the world economic forum wants People to use as "wallets" etc. for the cbdc for which "crypto" was the primer/predictive programming so to speak. It now seems you need a "phone" to get a job etc. now as well... which says to me that things are looking a bit grim in that regard. We also don't seem to have so many hackers or others who actually knows the ins and outs of electronics now, which is also concerning, as those are actually a good impediment to electronic totalitarianism. Everything from basic pirates to full blown hacker types existing outside the controls mean that there's viable sectors of resistance that could bloom, as the knowledge they have of the systems can be used to defeat electronic shackling methods. The scarcer that demographic becomes the closer the totalitarian control grid gets, if I were to guess.

It does appear as though the bogus virus scare was meant in part to force the ID for everything agenda though... I note this: https://bit.ly/3CvEbkn a document from canada showing a contract with the world economic forum for ID stuff, is a thing... I also note that they've been running all kinds of trials to try to force integrated ID stuff on the Citizenry, taking pictures at hospitals etc. for example, which gathers facial recognition data among other biometric information that they really shouldn't have, and then there was the "commonpass" thing that wef gates and the rockefeller syndicate were pushing, along with "trust stamp" that was beta tested in africa: https://archive.ph/TPpFj Then there was this just on the futurology propaganda "sub" today: https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkgma8/police-are-using-dna-to-generate-3d-images-of-suspects-theyve-never-seen all of which is very creepy, but to what degree it is saber-rattling, is hard to say.

Thankfully though the resistance to "smart" stuff also seems to be impeding their garbage, especially when People combat the meters and don't buy amazon echos or similar devices from gugle, which prevents them from building those "smart" and "mesh" networks that they've been lusting after which would be the backbone for the Internet of things (and subsequently internet of bodies afterwards) system.

I've been hearing tin foil crinkle for years. Hard to tell how close. Things have certainly accelerated. Russian sub Poseidon, which can lay a nuclear device on the ocean floor and later trigger a tsunami, disappeared from it's berth the last couple weeks. U.S. spends almost 300 million on special radiation medicine that has to be refrigerated and only lasts 18 months. Imagine, if you will, a radioactive wall of water hitting the coast and knocking out infrastructure. When power comes back, I would imagine that things are not the same.

Poseidon is the name of the explosive system, and I cannot find anything about a “missing” sub. Mind sharing a link?

It's not missing, so much as it's being deployed ready for war.

https://www.fox29.com/news/russian-nuclear-submarine-armed-with-doomsday-weapon-disappears-from-arctic-harbor-report

And if you're downvoting this because you think it's from Fox News ... locl Fox stations like this are not owned by the Fox corporation. They are owned by a totally different corporation. They just air Fox TV's content.

I'm afraid I don't have a link, just rumors of war, and I think a completely crazy idea.

The EU has data privacy laws but at the same time they want to surveil our chats and mails looking for illegal and dangerous activities.

How much time left? 7-8yrs maybe?

And oh you don't want to do anything with FB affiliates. They track you like shit and even if you delete your profile, they will likely keep your database on their server.

Email has header that tells about your IP address even if its encrypted.

Twitter already has a social credit score system.

https://twitter.com/atlrey/status/1579872092061069312?s=61&t=OVspO21Pg9No7pRwlJEzVQ

Maybe, but this is nothing new. I'm pretty sure it's been this way all the way back to the 1600s or so. (Maybe even longer) It's just that in the 1990s there was a rise of anonymity. Back before then almost everything you did of importance had you name attached to it and logged. Want to post and share something? Well now you got to pay a guy to print it and attach a name to it! Want to own property, bam got to attach your name to it. Tring to buy stock, again going to need name, social, bank info.

There are also a ton of inconsequential things that have been happening from the 1950's (and maybe even earlier). The use of cash was already on the way out by then with the rise of credit (1950) and debt cards (1970s). The store clerk use to call up your bank on the phone to do the transfers. So between your bank/credit card company they already had a long list of when/what/where tied to all your non cash purchases. Then you could add in things like rewards cards, ordering by mail, and probably more than I can think of.

I honestly think that Paypal wanted all of this attention. It was designed, it's a virtue signal to those that have the power to implement the social scoring system that Paypal is down to play ball.

Paypal doesn't have to signal anything. Its been owned by what this sub commonly calls "them" since the beginning when Musk (whom is one of them) became a buy in co-founder.

Paypal has a long history of shady AF activities. I always tell people not to use them. Paypal pretty much pioneered pretending to be a bank to customers then using the fact they are not a bank to do whatever they want anytime something that would not benefit them happens. Including brazenly stealing customer account money.

I work in marketing. Google and Facebook are making a coordinated effort to crack down on fake/anonymous profiles. Soon any semblance of internet anonymity will be gone and everything you say will be tied back directly to you and your social credit score. You will no longer be able to safely express yourself online.

That's why I refuse to set up a google account and fuck facebook.

The main takeaway from the Paypal thing is that it is a preview of how CBDCs will operate. We are heading towards a social credit system. It may be a part of the Great Reset -> Covid caused mass inflation via money printing, which will lead to economic collapse and then universal CBDC saves the day. Only problem is: no-one gets along anymore and globalism has died. Chances of NWO now is small..

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I know about as much as the next person, but the part where no-one gets along means Russia was kicked off the SWIFT system and 'the West' literally sanctioned them from most things.
So, then Russia joins up with China and India and agrees to trade etc. The world is very split now in that regard. The US overplayed their hand and destroyed a lot of trust. IMO, the ability to install a one world govt has been severely impacted by this.
Back on CBDCs, here's a recent twitter thread giving another take: https://twitter.com/macrojack21/status/1580218461329858560

Russia joins up with China and India and agrees to trade etc.

How do you join your existing ally?

The world is very split now in that regard.

You mean people or nations? Only one of those entities really exists.

The US overplayed their hand and destroyed a lot of trust.

Sorry but I'm getting the idea that you refer to nations as separate entities here. But I must be mistaken, right?

IMO, the ability to install a one world govt has been severely impacted by this.

I wouldn't say there's any such impact. The biggest impact in not being able to install such a thing is courtesy of the fact that a one world government is already there, and has been there longer than history itself.

Everyone is already under a social credit system, just with different names.

Wages, taxes... and dozens more. It's all ultimately a social credit system at heart. Obey and be rewarded; disobey and be punished.

Everyone is already under a social credit system, just with different names.

Exactly, this very simple fact is still something most conspiracy theorists fail to realize. We have been in a social credit system for a long time, mostly upheld by humanity itself.

The entire school system is literally a social credit system. Even Reddit has a social credit system known as comment karma. The more "bad" things you say, the less karma you get which in turn could prevent you from posting on certain subs.

Humans LOVE social credit systems, that's why they uphold it for the system. Most people happily go into debt as long as it gives them a higher social credit score.

It seems there's a rule of thumb regarding propaganda.

We of course have moved beyond the surface level a long time ago, so the mainstream stuff only has a very limited effect.

But propaganda of the 'conspiracy theory' variety, the stuff that's targeted at us, almost always involves some sort of scare tactics. There's always something sinister, someone or something out to get you, whether it be physically, medically, financially, legally... Always a scare of some sort.

Now the rule of thumb. if the propaganda is in fact A. based on reality, and B. involves scary things, then the truth of the matter is this:

That which they are trying to scare you with, is the same that they have been doing to you already, throughout your entire life.

So they don't as much tell you what they're going to do to you, but rather what they already did to you while you were distracted.

But why do they do this?

They do this because this way they get a 'clearer conscience' by telling us openly what's going on, but our fear is directed towards the future specifically, so the things they are doing to us today wouldn't alarm us.

Great insights!

That which they are trying to scare you with, is the same that they have been doing to you already, throughout your entire life.

This is especially true when it comes to Covid anti-quaxxers. They are against covid quaxxines but seemingly have no problems with the other quaxxines we were injected with when we were children. They call themselves 'purebloods', when in reality 99-100% of them have been quaxxed numerous times in the past.

As far as I know, in many places around the West you can't put children in school if they are unvaccinated (against polio and those other quaxxines you get as a kid pre-covid). If I am right about this then vaccine mandates have been in place for a long time.

Thanks.

Yeah, the garden variety 'conspiracy theorists' aren't free thinkers at all, only being able to think what the masters tell them to think, essentially rendering them normies not unlike the mainstream people.

It's the same as with red versus blue, nothing is truly different about them but the division (entirely based on ignorance I might add) is extremely useful to the controllers, hence they like to keep two superficially different herds of cattle on every one of their ranches.

You're right about the quax mandates, and it was truly eye-opening that even with the cv scam, the 'alternative' folk became so very scared of this one specific shot yet they believed all the others ones were not only 'safe', but even very useful and necessary! It just proves this group of people has no more capacity for logic than the 'masses' that they despise.

But of course mandates of all kinds may be in place in great numbers, but they are seldom enforceable under law, so the power of such mandates, just like with most things, is mostly just in the mind of the subject.

While totalitarianism is something I'm firmly opposed to, it seems that it isn't as real as the propaganda system wants us to believe.

As with the quax mandates; let's say some parents aren't able to send their kids to school due to choosing not to have them injected by big pharma. Well, this can be a blessing in disguise: Very few parents indeed realize that the school system itself is far more dangerous than any quaxxine - reason being that the damages caused by schooling have a collateral effect unlike injectables. So by refusing the shots they may end up protecting their kids from the bigger evil without ever realizing it.

It just proves this group of people has no more capacity for logic than the 'masses' that they despise.

Precisely, that's why I call them normie-truthers. At heart, most people are not very different from each other, even if they seemingly have opposing views. I have always been a centrist minded person, which is not a popular position to be in.

While totalitarianism is something I'm firmly opposed to, it seems that it isn't as real as the propaganda system wants us to believe.

I actually agree with this. Most of the suffering humanity is facing is caused by human ignorance/stupidity, not from the system oppressing humanity. This is not to defend the system, but humanity have allowed themselves to be b-tt-f--ked by the system.

This is why I am so hard/austere towards the normie-truthers, because they claim to be opponents of the system while still defending it at the same time. The sheeple are open with where they stand, while normie-truthers are not.

So by refusing the shots they may end up protecting their kids from the bigger evil without ever realizing it.

I don't support the school system at all, I was just making a point. But I agree with you 100% on this. Sending a child to school is one of the worst forms of child abuse.

Anyone who has ever been charged with a federal crime knows this very well. I say charged, but what I really mean is convicted because the feds don't charge anyone they can't imprison. Just look at the January 6th people and what happened to them.

I agree with what you say, but there's one thing I must question.

The 'January 6th people' being charged and all that stuff - to my knowledge that's one big hoax. Now if I'm mistaken, I would like to correct that. So if you know more about this stunt, please let me know.

A hoax in what way? I mean, the fact that the event is referred to as the "capital riots" is definitely a gross misrepresentation of what actually happened and the whole entire thing was fake, but the people who were hunted down and arrested and held without bail for two years of court proceedings is NOT fake. I looked up one of them, the "Q Anon Shaman," whose name is Jacob Anthony Chansley (35) on bop.gov and his register number is 24866-509, he's at Stafford FCI and his release date is 12/06/2023. All he did was enter the capital building and walk around. If I had more time I'd add more info on the others I know about but you can look him up yourself on the bureau of prisons website or if you have a Pacer account you may be able to look at his actual court documents and docket. Hope that answers your question.

The Shaman guy is an actor, he did this gig for the people in charge and may even be a permanent government operative. His story of 'consequences' is part of the bigger hoax.

I don't think you'll find any real-life real people who had to face anything other than minor inconvenience from the whole 'event'.

I could be wrong of course.,

Anyway, the angle of the hoax is to make people believe they will face dire consequences if they so much as show up in any controversial event. It's to preemptively shut people up.

Ok, then why does it say he is in prison?

Because the whole point is to make people afraid the same might happen to them if they don't play nice. Ultimately this is the point of all hoaxes the system pulls.

And what proof do you have that he's an actor? Trust me, I think pretty much every last thing on this earth is utter bullshit at this point, I'm certainly not giving any legitimacy to the event at all... But I find it hard to believe there would be a record of a person being in prison who was not in fact in prison. If you could give me your reasons for believing this, that would help.

It's not about belief.

Analyze the media action on this whole thing. Do you think it's a coincidence this character became the focus from the beginning?

News agencies are propaganda outlets. They tell us stories that support whatever agenda is 'on' at the moment.

If there's a 'big event' like this, then everything you see and hear through the media machine is intended to be seen and heard by the public. It's all propaganda.

And by the way, the creeps even revealed this guy to be an actor. It was on his website, on his online resume. This is also a part of the propaganda of course, but very often the creeps do in fact reveal their trick to us, if only we're interested in noticing it.

But again, it's not about belief. If there is physical evidence of this person existing by the claimed name, let alone being in a literal prison, then let's see the evidence. Paperwork doesn't count, of course. As long as we can't prove their story is true, we have to of course assume that the creeps are lying again - that's what they always do, after all.

The whole thing has the goal of socially castrating everyone who even thinks about standing up to the dictatorship.

How is it more difficult or time consuming to make anonymous emails and/or socials?

Instagram doesn’t need an account to see posts? I send reels to brother all the time, who doesn’t have Instagram or Facebook.

Why are you typing like this?

If you think the internet is changing now, you’re obviously very young and never experienced the early-late 2000s internet.

You have until 23rd September next year, the internet will be taken down and then reinstated, but with a requirement of Digital ID to access anything

I'd rather stay offline than become a borg zombie.

Headline: 2500 PayPal mistake

Body: how long can we stay anonymous on the internet?

say what you want about elon, he's not letting that happen. he already has his own infrastructure in place. i think elon is pro elon, just like most billionaires, but i also think elon really is pro humanity and would like to avoid anything dystopian

"Avoid anything dystopian", like Neuralink?

Like AI, both those things could go either way

I didn't downvote you BTW, and partly agree, he comes across as someone trying to help. But it's just the Neuralink thing that is way too weird for me.

Put the Neuralink down on the ground, step away slowly, then we can talk. Lol.

I have a theory but it's probably all wet. He might be developing those things he says he's against so he can lock up the patents and prevent them from ever being developed and used by anyone else.

I guess I just live in lala land....

The way he spoke about AI before basically giving up on warning everyone, I can see that happening

I actually kinda like the guy, but I've been fooled before.

Elon's a complete dipshit.

Yeah I’m aware of how people feel about him and I agree that he’s your typical billionaire (almost trillionaire?) in many aspects. I just really buy into him wanting the species to thrive, where other profiteers don’t seem to care what happens to anyone or the planet

Just my two cents. I see where he’s a piece of shit and I see where he appears to genuinely care about the species.

Maybe shit hits the fan with neurolink and I eat crow

Whenever the people need a hero, we shall supply him. -Albert Pike

Musk is an actor playing part of a dialectic.

Still a fan of bringing electric vehicles into mainstream, space x and going to mars, and star link broadband for people who don’t have access to good internet. Curious to see what he does with twitter too. I could care less about the character he plays, I’ll let his actions speak

*Couldn't care less.

EVs are to limit your ability to travel freely. Fun fact very few know - electric cars predate gas cars by roughly 100 years. We're approaching the 200 year anniversary of the electric vehicle. "Green" energy is a technocratic meme - the whole point is control.

Space X is fake, and nobody is going to Mars....ever. Star Link is not what it's been advertised as.

Twitter is just another extension of DARPA's 'LifeLog' program [Facebook].

I also kind of see the good he’s trying to do, whether it be conscripted or not, I can’t say for certain.

Use Bitcoin. Ban woke companies.

Never should allowed for private ownership I guess.