When I was young. So 25 years ago. I felt like every classroom only had one "fat" kid. And really looking back at it now, I think they would be categorized as husky, not even fat or obese.
I agree with this. I grew up in the 80s no one was fat and occasionally there was a bigger kid that just had a bigger frame but wasnât technically obese.
Movie Stand by me is a perfect example. Would that kid be called fat today?
Yup, look at the "fat" movie characters from 70s and 80s and compare them to "fat" characters today. The old fat characters look like normal people in comparison.
Prime example, the fat kid from the original Charlie and the chocolate factory compared to the one in the remake.
George Costanza from Seinfeld comes to mind, I always thought he was on the husky chubby side in the 90s now looking back he looks fit and svelte.
Actually he's a short, stocky bald man
Can you ask her if she likes short stocky bald men?
We need to work on a cover story. Let's say you needed help about your boyfriend... He's an importer/exporter.
He can lift 100 pounds right over his head.
What made you the Judge?
Powerful
We had a dinner meeting to discuss If I should get out of the export and strictly focus on the import
So what does he import?
bosco
Are we talking about Art Vandelay?
No, Burt Harbinson
Iâm an architect!!
I notice you threw stocky in there...
You forgot slow witted
Yeah its funny I remember him as chubby but objectively he wasnt
Maybe it was costuming? Poor fitting clothes?
probably and also not being thin or âfitâ, and definitely had puffy face and body, would appear fat in the 90s
He was also cast along side Jerry and Kramer who were both tall/skinny frames and Elaine who was petite.
Yup, Jerry is thin, single, and neat. And he gets along well with women.
That's basically what "dad bod" was when it first started out. Now, I'm sure that term has gotten fatter.
I'd challenge anyone to gain weight eating only fruits, meat, and vegetables for a month (no milk). It's actually quite hard; without blending, gorging on potatoes, or eating only bacon.
Replacing candy with fruit is the simplest dietary fix. A giant bowl of fruit is the same calories as 2 cookies, but I can eat 20 cookies; you can't eat more than 2 bowls of fruit without gut busting.
In your example, it's the fiber making the difference, as processed sweets of course don't have any.
To get a bit sciency, fiber (specifically soluble fiber) slows absorption of food, leading to a feeling of fullness and more stable blood sugar. Avoiding blood sugar spikes, and therefore crashes, is key to avoiding cravings.
As an aside, there isn't any evidence showing fiber is needed or even beneficial for "regularity." The only study done on the subject, with participants experiencing digestive issues (I believe constipation), varying their intake. The result was, the less fiber consumed, the less symptoms experienced.
My educated guess is fiber is only useful within whole foods to counter the sugar contained within.
There are all sorts of myths regarding diet. I've been studying the topic for 15 years due to my own health issues.
Sorry to hear about your health issues.
I think fiber is necessary personally, yes mostly to stabilize blood sugar. I function way way better on a fruit meat diet vs meat only or meat + sugar.
Also fruit has tons of vitamins.
One truth I've discovered is that there isn't a one size fits all eating plan, so congratulations for finding what works for you.
Yes, fibrous carbohydrates can be beneficial, depending on the individual. Adding fiber hasn't been shown to be of any benefit for blood sugar however. And as I stated previously can lead to constipation.
One study had participants consume apples in various states, however always with the same amount of fiber. The more processed the apple was, independent of fiber content, the higher the blood sugar spike.
Fruit does have additional nutrients. However those nutrients are in a less bioavailable form than found in animal products.
What I'm saying is, while fruit can be harmless or even perhaps beneficial depending on the individual, plant matter in general is not needed in the human diet.
It's not my intention to argue with you, only to provide context for my previous statements and elaborate for anyone who msy read this in the future.
Lol that's not hard. I have relatives whose diets are like that and the sheer amount of calories they consume just from all the red meat negates a lot of the lesser calories of the veggies.
Red meat has very few calories.
Lmao ok show me the comparison then
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Itâs really really hard to get fat from fruit, unless itâs blended.
Like 5 bananas is near 1,000 calories. Try eating 35 bananas in a week. So much chewing, so much pooping, so full. And thatâs plenty calories left for meat and youâre still barely pushing 2,000 calories a dayâŚ
I could eat 2 box of cookies in a week - but never 35 bananas.
a bit long in the waistband?
Poor fitting clothes... Welcome to the 90s
George Costanza was definitely fat.
By today's standards, you could call him chubby, but never fit or svelte.
We donât allow pornography on this subâŚ
He said the keyword was tasteful!
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Exactly, this thread is a perfect example of that skewed perception.
Honestly, seeing the replies, im wondering if we're (millenials) just getting older and what we considered "fat" when we were young is normal now because we too are getting fat.
This reminds me of how a lot of people are brainwashed into believing that getting older means it's ok to be fat and swollen.
Also, fat isn't a good look at any age, but it's actually more ugly on older people. It makes people look way older than they are. I'm 39 btw.
Metabolism slows down homie. Its not that its ok to get fat, its just waaaay easier to and we see our peers packing on weight. Millenials are hitting that wall.
That is supposedly a myth. Read a big study on this not too long ago.
Researchers found that metabolism peaks around age 1, when babies burn calories 50 percent faster than adults, and then gradually declines roughly 3 percent a year until around age 20. From there, metabolism plateaus until about age 60, when it starts to slowly decline again, by less than 1 percent annually, according to findings published Thursday in the journal Science.
Upvoted!
Interesting article, thanks for the suggestion. I'm disinclined to buy that at face value though, especially for men; there's a well established correlation between testosterone and how our bodies metabolize fats, carbs, and proteins. Theres also a known decrease in test with age.
Round glasses and balding head make him appear more round.
Nah, he was never really "obese", just wasn't ripped or anything like that. A bit of a gut, maybe, but in the picture you linked to he's kind of stretched out so you can't see it, plus compared to Seinfeld, Kramer, and Elain, he was probably the thickest of the bunch.. two taller and lanky dudes, a skinny chick, and a short stocky dude, he's gonna look "fat" in comparison.
Compare Costanza(Alexander) and Newman(Knight) who are closer in height, and you'll see that he really isn't all that big.
Poor fitting clothes and a bunch of layers, like jackets.
For sure his clothes were designed to make him look bad (worse)
Great choice for photo hahahah
I remember one episode where he was getting a suit and another man was also going for the same suit and George said something along the lines of good luck my fellow 40 short- hell I was a big kid now Iâm a big adult, I remember finding a 2x shirt at a regular store was unheard of now you can find all the way up to a 4x at a regular store
Poor Jerry looks like he is going to drift away in the wind
Whatever he was he was smokin hot. Co.STAN.Za.
Well to be fair they always said "stocky" in the show regarding him. Stocky is on the way to fat but not there yet
I rewatched recently and heâs framed as fat the whole way through. It felt odd every time they said it.
He actually has some muscle definition in the arms in certain episodes where they are exposed.
"I was in the pool!"
Chunk in the Goonies was pretty fat.
Every psyop has a beginning.
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In the long long ago, when our money was backed with gold and food was made without soy.
Corn subsidiesâhigh fructose corn syrup in everything
You should say sugar in everything. HFCS was reduced from 90% to 50% to make it less harmful. But there's more to it, glyphosate (Roundup pesticide) in the food, sedentarism due to computers/phones, higher rates of depression from glyphosate hurting intestinal bacteria that make antidepressants and isolation from mandatory covid lockdowns.
Apparently supplementing with glycine can help the glyphosate thing, considering it is in everything. From what I understand, glyphosate jumps in the place of glycine in the protein chains during synthesis (and can potentially have a higher affinity to do so for some individuals) and its presence in that chain tends to be linked to multitudes of diseases
High fructose corn syrup is just another type of sugar. If you read labels for ingredients, they are listed in the order of decreasing predominance (most first - least last); and every item ending in âoseâ is a type of sugar. There are more than a few others as wellâŚ
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/56-different-names-for-sugar
It's actually not metabolised the same as cane sugar. If you're interested, read about sugars known as "reducing sugars."
Yeah it's metabolized like fructose, which is the sugar you find in fruits. You think those are evil too?
The fructose in fruit is accompanied with enzymes, fiber, vitamins, and antioxidants. I await your retort, genius guy.
MSG is the villain. Monosodium Glutamate.
What is the #1 lab procedure to produce obese mice for animal studies? Feed them MSG. Activates fat storage of calories. Voi la. MSG has like 15 different names. Take a guess whats in all processed food?
And now they are trying to make corn more popular with memes like that black kid meme where he says he likes corn
Holy shit dude the way that meme has taken over everything (from the original video to the weird remixes where people use the sound to make their own stupid versions) immediately made me think this was planned
lol another successful meme psyop from Big Corn huh
These conglomerates do do this? Got milk campaign had HUGE impact.
They would totally build social campaigns now.
Not familiar with the corn meme in particular but these interests sell by any means necessary.
haha you said do do.
idk if thatâs what happened with corn kid, and if you knew the meme idk if youâd be arguing so hard
Only thing I'm arguing is that these interest do engage in psyops "marketing" and non-market based influence (lobbying etc).
If soy was the problem then all the vegans would be obese, sugar instead of fat is the issue.
Not to mention the continent of Asia is notorious for their use of soy and they don't have an obesity problem, so blaming soy is pretty fucking stupid.
Retired to Thailand 3 years ago. My first year I lost 30 pounds just due to eating the local food. All the food is fresh and there is nothing in bags or boxes that is full of preservatives or high fructose corn syrup.
This is the answer . Back to normal food standards
Uhhhh. Is India in Asia? Obesity rates there are pretty high compared to just one or two decades ago. And I know some pretty fat vegans and vegetarians from there.
Could be because of Western food, could he because of higher education levels leading to more desk/sedentary jobs and add to it more people driving vs. walking or biking.
Too much of anything, any type or style of food, plus drinking a lot of beer or soda/cola (drinking your calories) and not exercising enough, will do that to you.
Yeah but, they consume unprocessed soy. They weren't eating deep fried chicken sandwiches with 30% processed soy.
Stupid to blame it for obesity, yes. Estrogen? No
Sugar and the governmentâs campaign against fat in food products. Weâve all been âeducatedâ to believe that fat in our food is what makes us fat. Anybody that knows anything about nutrition knows that fat is a fuel source. But thatâs not what nutritionists were $elling us in the 80s.
I've met a few vegans that are chubby, they either are chubby or look like crackheads, there's hardly any in between.
Chubby being a healthy weight or overweight/obese?
Some were slightly overweight, a few was obese.
I agree with this.
The fattest, unhealthiest person I know is a vegan. Just eats sugar all the time. Acne, terrible skin, premature aging and schizophrenia. Visited him in the hospital many times. When I met him he was a pescatarian and not thinking everyone he knew was plotting to ruin his life. Years after last I saw him he texted me asking me if I was trying to kill him, which is ridiculous because I only was ever nice to him. Havenât seen him in years last I heard he was a missing person.
That would be what is known as a junk food vegan.
Technically oreos are vegan so yeah you can just go hard on shit like that and be "vegan".
That would be what is known as a junk food vegan.
it's also what is known as an anecdote. generally used to highlight an outlier to an otherwise consistent trend
The evil in soy no one mentions is that it is used as bulk animal feed.
A nearly all soy meal diet for the farm animals life, processing and storing all that xenoestrogen in a perfectly digestable super market meat; cheaply and easily fed to our families for 3 meals a day. My farmer bud told me they have to track how much they give their cows, or it messes with fertility-- like hormonal birth control.
Ask your farmer bud what he gives his steer to help them gain weight. Iâll bet itâs the same hormones the women in your life are fed for birth control.
Hia family has a dairy farm so I'm not so sure about that, but yes, having our meats pumped full of estrogenic steroids (which are orally bio available) is frightening.
Grassfed cattle are a wonderful thing.
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Well that's a load of bollocks and very America-central. Where I live about 50% of cattle are fully grass fed. And during the winter in our cooler parts there's this wonderful product called hay. But do continue to push your nonsense.
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The Land Down Under, we produce more than 3x the cattle we need. Plus sheep. In the 12 months to June '21 Slaughter rates were 2.4 Million Tonnes, of which 64% were Grassfed. Alternatively that's enough for 96 Million Americans. All this in the middle of one of the biggest heard rebuilds and shortest killing years in history.
Murder isn't wonderful when done to a sentient being no matter what they eat.
I mean, Soy is the most widely consumed edible oil in the US, it's also linked to obesity, diabetes, insulin resistance and fatty liver in mice, as well as affecting their brains.
Although the vegan diet is proven to reduce these things in people.
Proven by whom? The Seventh Day Adventist funded studies? The same Seventh Day Adventists who widely push it because they believe such diets will reduce sinning and masturbation? Cause that's not a conflict of interest.
The soy is to pussify us.
The oestrogen levels in cow milks is vastly higher than the plant oestrogen in soy.
And phytoestrogen doesn't interact with human estrogen receptors.
But we need to blame the less destructive food because it would force us to change our habits so let's just ignore that part.
So why would it be promoted to help menopausal women relieve their symptoms if they don't interact and act like the real deal in the human system?
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320630
Unpopular opinion ; Vegans arenât obese because they systematically starve their body . We are omnivores , look at you teeth⌠itâs that simple
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Well, there you make a faux pas. Gorillas have those fangs and massive jaw muscles because they eat massive amounts of tough leaves . The human remark still stands đ
O, and to be complete . Those fangs evolved as a defense mechanism and are relatively small compared to other primates .
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No , you can attack trees with âm to!
They started processing our foods & our Money.
Diets for butter balanced. Kids drink milk families did not eat much cheese. Now it is the opposite. The amount of calories and fat added to our diet is horrendous. Junk food! I did not have a potato chip until I was in my twenties.
Eating fat does not make you fat lol
Exactly. Carbs and sugar are what make people fat. Everybody lives on soda and processed foods now days.
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It's the fat and sugar combo that is really insidious.
Fat on its own is very calorie dense but also very satiating.
Sugar/carbs not as calorie dense but in simple carb form will spike your blood sugar and cause glucose response much quicker. That then kicks off the hunger cycle faster so more Grehlin faster.
Now combine the sugar with the fat and boom calorie dense plus faster hunger response. Also highly highly palatable.
Bingo!
Or goy
Sloth wasnât a cyclops, have some respectâŚ
soyop.
"Operation Truffle Shuffle"
They don't even need that shit anymore. They just need to give people access to an easy way of temporarily dulling their senses, as people would prefer temporary pleasure to long-term fulfillment, in a majority of cases, because they are miserable enough that they are likely to die sooner than usual from some sort of random disease, caused by stress, anyways. The ironic part is the people who live the exact opposite way will likely all die at a slightly older age, because they did a little less supplemental damage to their bodies, but for the exact same reason, stress. That's the real siop, getting people to buy into what they think they ought to do, because they are "societal norms"
Spelled Cyclops wrong
Oh wait his name wasn't chunk
Not compared to today's kids, he ain't.
Cmon do it!
There is an old movie called fatso, maybe 70s or 80s. Its named after the main character who's topping out at like 300 tops.
Crazy how your scale of size has changed.
Hey you guuuys
Heck, look at Hoss and Papa on Bonanza.
same with chris farley
He had to do the truffle shuffle
But he's a legend.
The estate agent in the money pit was quite hefty
it's an 80s movie
Friends would do this with Monica. The "fat" scenes and what people would say to her during them seems so off base.
Wasn't Homer Simpson laughably obese at 200lbs? And not the episode qhere he ballooned up and wore a dress (was that 300?).
Augustus specifically is a victim of the tendency to cast actors that are more conventionally good-looking than the characters they play. If you look at both the original illustrations for the book and the later Quentin Blake ones that have come to be more definitive, you can clearly see the character is if anything intended to be even larger than the actor in the more recent movie. The earlier actor is not reflective of what was considered a very large boy.
Another example is Ben from 1986 IT movie. He is bigger but by today's standards he really didn't look that fat.
Natalie from Facts of Life was a little chubby. Not fat to me.
Does anybody remember "Camp Nowhere"?
The girl who got sent to fat camp wasn't even chubby by today's standards.
Ugh, Thame kid in the original was Fat As Fuck...
& so was his Mom.
Even with today's standards.
Vern in "Stand by Me" has nothing on the fat kids now.
Remember "Chunk" from Goonies? That's like a third of kids that age these days.
To see him now, you would never believe he was Chunk in the Goonies.
Something is definitely wrong with the food. I was born in '77, and grew up at Wrightsville Beach NC. Like most teenage boys in the nineties, we would spend the day checking out the girls on the beach all day. Out of every ten girls or so back then you might see one chubby one. When I go back there now it's probably about half of them now in that age group. It's not like we were going around eating carrots and celery for lunch all day either - we were eating pizza and drive thru food back then just like most teenagers and I could barely gain weight if I tried. Now at 45 I usually eat just one meal a day just to maintain or else I will start putting it on quick and I'm much more active than many my age.
Homer Simpson was 260 pounds which was comically obese
what about Lard Ass from Stand By Me? I thought he was too fat. Gonna go take a look now.
In the US i wear XL... I'm in South Korea now and the only thing that fits me is XXXL
Ethel in I Love Lucy comes to mind. A lovely, trim woman was the butt of every weight joke on the show by â50s standards.
Look at the rap group âThe Fat Boysâ. I saw a music video last night and said damn, they arenât even that fat. But Iâm the 80s, technically they were fat.
I agree on most movies! However, the one from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is actually more close to the book version, who is said to be so fat he looks like he has been pumped full of air with a bicycle pump...
I used to think Skipper on Gilliganâs Island was fat. I recently saw an old episode and Skipper isnât fat. Not even close. Husky is a stretch.
Personally, Iâm 59. When I was a kid you never got a free drink refill at any restaurant. My parents always made us wait to drink any soda before the meal cause you paid for the refill. One of the culprits is soda pop. Big Gulp. And overly processed food. Hot Pockets, Mega Fries. Fast FoodâŚ.
We are what we eat.
Skipper was trapped on an island fat.
Looks like he was around 6'2 220lbs
Guess Iâm fat, because thatâs me lol. I need to shed about 20, but beer is good & we only live once
I would have to agree with you there!
I think you're on the right track here, in the 70's people had hope, things still felt like they were getting better at least in Western culture. Now we have a culture wide nihilistic yolo attitude so why not enjoy yourself, we're a long time dead.
Yes. We really did have a pervasive sense that the world was getting better every day. I came up in that environment. Brotherhood of man stuff. It felt real.
Doood the late '70s were absolute trash. Oil and gas shortages rampant inflation. This is when people put carpeting over there nice hardwood floors because he had to keep your house pretty cold during the winter. Some years people didn't even put up Christmas lights to save on electricity.
Right now is sliding into that scenario, and largely by a choice I might add, but don't romanticize that era it was f** awful
I suppose it was the post Vietnam cold war so still not great. However, even with the Russian threat it was us Vs them so the West had someone to pull together against and blame issues on.
I mean I donât see life as meaningless, I just see life as what it is. A one way ticket & Iâm going to enjoy the trip.
I think I'm in the same boat, might as well enjoy what you can
? that's still a BMI of over 28 which is nearly obese. he looks just as fat as he did when I was a kid.
By todays standards⌠skipper wasnât fat.
"trapped on an island fat"
Though Hurley from Lost sort of blew up that logic.
I am from Bolivia; people there are becoming obese too (about 20 years after the US, but happening nonetheless). Processed food is almost non-existent in Bolivia today, so there it's more due to changes in lifestyle (office work vs farm work), and also I think just because food generally has become more affordable and abundant than it used to be. When I was a kid, there were many families who could not always afford a full meal; that's pretty rare today. Anyway, my point is just that obesity is happening everywhere, and while processed foods probably accelerate it, it's still happening in places without processed foods.
And the artificial sweeteners probably are toxic and harm our metabolism.
I haven't cut out artificial sweeteners, but I have lately cut out eating any food that I didn't at least heat up myself (not talking leftovers).
I feel better. My wallet is thankful. And I've lost weight, and this has only been about 2 weeks now. I used to think that the sweeteners were making me hungry (and I still just kept on anyway). They probably do. But the addiction to the way fast food and really all restaurants prepare food (tons of salt, bad fats, sugar and straight up chemicals designed to tweak your brain) seems to be a much larger problem.
If you eat out, order delivery and otherwise eat American garbage a lot, just find the 2 or 3 meals at home you actually love and live off those for a few weeks. I'm talking burgers, fried rice, pasta, tacos, not shit that'll be next to impossible for your Doordasher to just start cooking and enjoying everyday. I've been doing cold cut sandwiches, frozen pizza, salads and snacking on nuts, pretzels and beer. And I still am losing weight and feeling better compared to a month ago eating McDonald's 2x a day.
Baby steps. No cold turkey. Make Big Macs at home.
Do you make your Big Macs with two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, on a sesame seed bun?
Nah, I actually make Red Robin's A1 Peppercorn burger at home. Did the big Mac once, not my thing.
I either do the above or just do a grilled burger, any cheese, dusseldorf mustard, pickles, raw onion.
Na, I prefer a regular bun.
Iâm a McDowellâs man myself
The Big Mick?
For more weight loss, lose the beer and go with white wine. đđ˝âŽď¸đ
Same, I still donât eat great but I am down 32 lbs over the last year or two simply from drinking way less alcohol and eating out way, way less. My unwritten rule is that if Iâm going to eat like shit, I have to make it myself. I donât always follow it, but itâs better than literal daily fast food and alcohol and the reading on the scale is proof.
I just want to echo this as I do this too. I started out cooking things like burgers at home and heating up frozen fries, etc. Once I got in the habit, I started to home cook more portions of what I was making. Now, I still make things like nachos and burgers, but I make the tortilla chips and buns from scratch. Even homemade pasta isn't that hard to make. I keep basic staples and can turn that into almost anything at this point. It did take a few years to get to the point I am now, but it's worth it. I've lost a total of 70 lbs (I'm 5'2) and am now in the normal BMI range with almost no dieting effort. I eat candy, ice cream, pasta, tacos, pizza, whatever I want and as much as I want, but it's all homemade.
Also, on the subject of weird chemicals that tweek your brain, I've found that I can now hear my body when it's telling me what to eat. I in no way whatsoever listen to anyone's dieting advice. Now that chemicals aren't silencing my brain signals, I just do what my body wants. If I ignore it and eat something too salty, I can feel how it's upset my internal balance. It's been a wild experience.
I still eat a lot of "shitty" food, but I use portion control.
For example, I just got a notification on my phone from the McDonalds app, that there's a special deal, today only. You get a Double Cheeseburger for free with a $1 purchase. I will buy a McDouble, and get my Double Cheeseburger for free. I will eat my Double Cheeseburger today, and save my McDouble for tomorrow. (I have a special system that I use for "deconstructing" fast food so that I can re-heat it the next day in a logical manner).
So, the only McDonald thing that I'll be eating today is a single double cheeseburger. No fries with that. No giant soda full of sugar. Just a double cheeseburger ala carte.
Now, that double cheeseburger still isn't healthy, in any way, shape or form, but it's not that huge of a deal, because I'm also not stuffing my face with fries and a soda. It's all about portion control.
The double cheeseburger for me, is like a guilty pleasure. It's not a meal unto itself, but it can be a "bridge" between meals. Just like the McDouble that I'll be reheating tomorrow. It's not a meal unto itself, but it can hold me over in-between meals.
See if you can get away from "natural flavors!"
Nothing natural about processed food
It's seed oils. They studies have shown they cause metabolic dysfunction. Canada turned literal machine lubricant into food artificially. Rape seed oil aka canola was never meant for human consumption.
Really? I drink those all the time. Do you have any studies that show this?
Just want to note, diet soda's not great and there's a lot of well sourced studies out there with good data showing that, but if your choices are diet soda or regular soda, most are in agreement that you're still better off with diet.
Cleveland Clinic links several studies in their laymanâs summary here
https://www.google.com/amp/s/health.clevelandclinic.org/3-reasons-you-should-kick-your-diet-soda-habit/amp/
Dr Jason Fung is big on this.
Aspartame and cancer â new evidence for causation Philip J. Landrigan and Kurt Straif https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8042911/
Aspartame and its effects on health Independently funded studies have found potential for adverse effects John Briffa, general practitioner https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC548217/
(Food and BigAg Industry censors many legitimate critics. And funds $cientism.)
Other References:
i Critical Reviews in Toxicology, 2007;37(8):629-727 ii Yale Journal of Biology and Medicine, June 2010;83(2):101-108 iii Preapproval âResearchâ & History of Aspartame, January 12, 2002 iv Toxicology Letters, March 1981;7(6):433-7 v Letters of Testimony to the Hawaii House Committee on Health Concerning Aspartame vi Rense.com, Evidence for Aspartame Triggered Brain Tumors vii Crawford, Knowledge for Tomorrow, 39-40 viii Statement of H.J. Roberts, M.D. Concerning the Use of Products Containing Aspartame (Nutrasweet) by Persons with Diabetes and Hypoglycemia ix Biological Psychiatry, July 1993;34(1-2):13-7 x The Magazine of Health, Prevention, and Environmental News, May/June 1994;1(4) xi Aspartame Consumer Safety Network, Aspartame & Flying: The Incredible Untold Story xii DRAFT Scientific Opinion on the Re-evaluation of Aspartame(E 951) as a Food Additive xiii Smart Drugs News, May 29, 1995 xiv See Ref xiii xv Health & Healing, December 1994;4(12)
One of the main problems with artifial sweeteners is that your taste buds send a message to your brain and back out that you got sugar incoming. In expectation of a sugar spike, your liver reduces the level in your blood - which then creates a sugar craving. So you drink diet but eat cakes and sweets.
Exactly and More than that there are studies that show they actually lead to insulin resistance by altering gut flora. Most of the human immune system is in the gut of course so you can imagine the long term effects of damaging its balance.
That's a myth or extremely exaggerated. You can literally test this yourself, I have. I've used a glucometer before drinking diet sodas and after, and never had any significant change (usually zero change, the rest I chalk up to normal slight fluctuations) in my blood sugar.
âIncreased intake of artificial sweetened beverages increased the incidence of type-2 diabetes, suggesting possible mechanism of insulin resistance over time.â
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7014832/
True.
Skinny people don't drink diet coke.
There's something hitting our metabolism before the artificial sweeteners, like the preservatives or artificial coloring.
Can't forget alcohol.
1992 the USDA introduced the food pyramid. The beginning of the end. I love eating beef fat like on a ribeye, and I still get queasy about it. Brainwashed.
Seed oils. Don't forget about seed oils.
I just found out that canola oil is bad. Iâve used it for years instead of vegetable oil thinking it was healthierâŚ!?!?đ¤Śââď¸
I don't eat any of that crap and I'm still fat. I also work 12 hours a day on my feet, and exercise 5 days a week.
Have you ever made a food diary? I was surprised by my calorific intake due to similar lifestyle as you, but you might find youâre consuming more than expected even in better quality foods.
It's seed oils that caused all the metabolic disfunction we have today.
Watch Woodstock(the original doc) not one heavyweight in the entire 3 hours.
Not only that, those drinks cause cancer and heart disease across America
Mega fries? I made myself a large order of fries. I thought it necessary.
Itâs also genetics. Fat people are breeding with other fat people because we donât discourage obesity in a partner. I feel like even 20 years ago there was more pressure to be thin/date thin people. So you might get someone with fat genes who works out and has a kid with someone with thin genes. Now itâs just fat getting with fat because we removed the stigma against being overweight.
husky is a stretch? so what would this be then
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Soft drinks came out of the machine in 10 oz bottles back when we were young. Then came the 12 oz cans. Then 16 oz bottles and then 20 oz and even liters. The food industry continues to pile on and we eat it up. Pun intended
Laurel and Hardy. Oliver Hardy was 6 ft 1 in (185 cm) and weighed about 280 lb (127 kg; 20 st 0 lb). He was pretty fat.
Who the fuck says "personally I'm 59?"
What other way is there to be 59, Nimrod?
And how do you wait to drink a soda before a meal?
If you can't compose your thoughts and write them down, don't share.
Yep- in my early 1970's elementary classes, there was one chunky girl in our class and looking back at those pictures, she was only slightly overweight in today's standards.
There were NO obese kids or adults except for Fat Albert on Saturday mornings.
Hey hey hey its faaaaaat aaaalbert
Obesity levels coincidence with the advent and amount of high fructose corn syrup used in society
And ubiquity of endocrine disrupting plastics.
Bingo. People don't discuss this enough.
Also a more sedentary lifestyle with much more entertainment sources in the home now than there was before.
I think this actually plays a bigger role than the food. I remember being outside all day playing every street sport there was. Then coming home famished and eating everything in site. My body needed those calories!
I believe the quality of food plays one of the biggest roles. There definitely is a decline in the amount of people that can cook for themselves, and that leads to fast food and frozen meal alternatives.
Edit: Changed "biggest" to "one of the biggest". Not working off the calories is the other biggest.
Edit 2: and metabolism, which can change based on the other two.
I think the nutritional content declined is a factor as well, even in typically "healthy foods." Less protein, calcium, phosphorus, iron, vitamin B2, and vitamin C in the foods we eat today than were in the the same foods 50 years ago. An orange in the past may have been a sufficient snack, now your body craves these things but needs many oranges to get the same nutrition - along with all the extra calories.
There are a lot of contributing factors.
Fast food doesnât make you fat. Eating too many calories makes you fat. You can eat at McDonaldâs for every meal, and eat real food, and maintain a caloric deficit.
Breakfast - 310 calories
Egg McMuffin 310
Lunch: 830 calories
Chicken sandwich 500 Medium fry 330
Dinner: 1000 calories
McDouble - 400
6 nugs - 270
Med fry - 330
Total - 2140 calories
160lb man maintains weight at 2250 calories. So Iâm losing weight eating full meals at McDonaldâs. I would never do that because itâs unhealthy. But itâs certainly possible.
If you have a soda with every meal that adds also.
Yes thatâs how counting calories works. Thereâs a reason I didnât include sodas.
I don't buy value meals at fast food places anymore because I don't want the soda. Literally the most unhealthy part of the meal. And they give you a tub full of it.
You don't want to be constantly spiking insulin. Even if you burn the calories. That's why skinnyfat and nonalcoholic liver disease exists.
Youâre missing the difference between visceral fat and subcutaneous fat.
You can be skinny but still have a horribly unhealthy plump of belly fat
Gaining weight isn't the only thing that makes a food bad for you.
Eating at mcdonalds every day will insure you to be unhealthy as fuck, especially with this menu which is total trash in nutrients.
It's a shame so many places got rid of their 'grilled' chicken breasts sandwiches. Can only get fried ones now. However, Wendy's does still have a chicken breast sandwich. But Wendy's is always in an inconvenient location. It's like they have a skill for putting the restaurants in places that will always be out of my way.
Is this a thing?? Because you exactly summed up the Wendyâs locations situation in my town as well! On the busy corners of intersections and hard to get in and out of. Always at least a 20 minute trip to a Wendyâs, no matter where in my town I move to. đ
It's amazing, isn't it?
Now Subway! We have one within walking distance of every man, woman, and child. đ
And they suck. If only Wendy's could trade places with Subway. While I have your attention please allow me to rant:
Whenever I have gone to subway and asked for something like a sweet onion teriyaki chicken or a chicken bacon ranch, they slice the bread, sit it down, put the chicken on it, and then ask me what I want on it. Numerous times I've said "idk, whatever is supposed to be on it."
I'm supposed to know all of the ingredients for a specialty sub? And after nearly 15 years of eating that sweet onion chicken teriyaki, only after ordering on the app did I realize that there are a few more ingredients that I've never had on any of those subs that are apparently supposed to be part of the default ingredients. And that grinded my gears even more.
I have yet to come across anyone else who has the same complaint. Listen, I completely understand if I order something like a roast beef sub to get asked this question. And I would understand if, at the end of making the specialty sub how it is supposed to be made, asking me if I want anything else on it. Or, what would make even more sense is, after I give them my order, to SIMPLY ask me if I want the sub customized.
I KNOW!! I donât eat the meatball marinara sub. I was ordering for my son who wasnât with me. They asked me what he wants on it đ. I said, uhmmmâŚ..whatever GOES on it to produce a meatball marinara sub?
Thank you, random internet person from far away. Thank you for knowing my pain.
Whereâs the fruits and vegetables, needed for nutrition content and vitamins. You would feel sluggish and lethargic if you ate like this everyday. All that bread/starch (i.e. from English muffin, hamburger buns, French fries) turns into glucose (sugar) without any fiber from vegetables to aid your body in digestion.
They specifically said it would be unhealthy, as they were only talking about losing weight. Two different things.
I believe the quality of food plays one of the biggest roles
Well, I don't cook very often, and I eat a lot of "to go" type meals. However, the take out that I get will turn into two or three meals, but there are plenty of people that would eat what I normally get in a single sitting.
Portion control is the key, imo.
(I also do a lot of walking on a regular basis, and a weightlifting routine)
Fast food and processed foods have been around forever. The sedentary lifestyle has not.
Both of those things have existed for about 70 years. Not forever.
Fast food restaurants really hit their stride in the 50âs right around the same time every home was getting a state of the art television. People wanted quick meals to eat in front of their new TVs. But the first fast food restaurant was a White Castle built in 1921. The thing is back then there wasnât fast food on every corner. You still had to go out of your way to get it.
LOL no
McDonald's used to fry their French fries in beef tallow. Then they switched over to industrial seed oils, which have been marketed as vegetable oil. So that doesn't help, either.
You're right, fast food has been around, but not as dominant as it is now. Plus the serving sizes are exponentially way bigger, so that doesn't help either.
But yeah the no activity is really shitball. Kids are way less active then before, I seriously can not figure out why all these parents are so afraid of Everything!? Like I'm a mom, my mom was a boomer, so basically not a mom? I didn't take it to the opposite extreme thou, I tried to keep it happy medium, but sadly like all the other parents around are just all terrified to let Timmy go to the park. It's really sad to see.
I believe this too. I eat like shit but I'm pretty active and am in good shape. What the condition of my arteries is, I'm not sure. But I'm not fat lol. Love my fast food and processed foods.
Physical standards are dropping in basically every job / walk of life. Go watch videos of how high schoolers used to work out in gym class. MFers were all in great shape compared to today
I eat great, pretty active, normal weight. My bad cholesterol was 370 (Iâve since made a HUGE diet change and have dropped it to 220 in 6 months - 370 is stroke-range, I believe). Genetics suck. Iâm 33F. Thank god I know my family history a few generations back or I wouldnât be visiting a cardiologist since I was 29.
Start eating some avocados and almonds if that is your ldl number. Both are high in monounsaturated fats and will drop the ldl while increasing your hdl. They also have polyunsaturated fats that reduce ldl.
Either way good luck.
Also walkable cities. In places where you have to use public transport like a tram or subway, you walk so much more. Even walking around to do errands rather that driving burns more calories too
Yeah and the extreme amount of food availability. I grew up in the 80s in Chicago and we were out all day long, and we never went places for food, maybe on occasion we'd run to the five and dime and get some candy, but rarely.. now food shit is everywhere and what everyone always gravitates toward for entertainment. Also way way less kids doing shit outside, this one really breaks my heart. I rarely see kids at the park like Ever! I dunno add that all up with cheap junk food. Soy, sugar and corn syrup added to everything we're doomed. Estrogen in boys probably not the greatest.. something's gotta give. We also should probably stop calling obesity healthy??.. maybe??
How dare you! Now I'm triggered!
Jk, but expect to get ripped on for saying that last sentence. We live in a culture now of "do whatever makes you happy because that's the only thing that matters." I don't truly believe that anyone who is obese is happy with their bodies. They just gave up trying and now have to convince themselves that they don't care.
Exactly. And it's disgusting. Watch the movie Branded. It's about brainwashing people into thinking being fat is OK. Great movie.
Youâre talking about the difference of being an adult and being a child lol. Children still play outside.
I agree with this. I have young kids now and I'm around more kids because of it and they definitely play outside a lot.
Maybe other parts of the country are much different and no doubt there are some kids that are more sedentary than others. But I see kids on bikes and playing at the parks and generally running around all over
Yeah, maybe. I suppose it's who you know and where you are from. But I'm sure most can agree on the reduced time kids are outside now a days.
1000% I'm in Wisconsin, and in a safe rich stuck up part outside of Milwaukee, super safe, I rarely Ever EVER see kids outside, and I'm actually like overjoyed when I hear the occasional kids ride by on their bikes. I also travel into Milwaukee all the time, occasional I'll see a few kids out and about, but parks are basically always empty and quiet.
I also lived in Madison for five years, with a 7 year old and it was like pulling teeth to get kids outside. Oh it's to hot, oh the bugs are bad.. can we come in!? And the stupid playdates, no body ever just went out and knocked on doors. My kids 14 now and it's still the same. It's fucking depressing.
Yeah, I remember back in the 90s when friends would randomly show up at the house asking me to go do stuff. I think adults should do stuff like this to bring some life back into their lives.
Exactly, 80's and even 90's kids were always playing outside riding our bikes or whatever. We didn't have a chance to get fat. We played video games, yes, but that was only at night and on sleepovers and shit. And we never took the bus to school, always bike.
Yup, 80s kids here.
My kids play outside, some because they want to, dune because we force them to. Sometimes we go on "electronic detox." Then they are playing with their toys now, outside more, and honestly just better behaved. If we start to see defiance, laziness, and bad attitudes, we know it's time for a break. It's not 100% used as a punishment, but we've certainly noticed an attitude change and overall difference once they aren't so absorbed. There is certainly a balance to be had, and we are trying to figure that out still.
I have 5 kids 3-13
Very wise, unfortunately many parents simply don't give a fuck.
Uphill. Both ways.
Yes, I believe the biggest factor is sedentary kids. More specifically, kids are not allowed to roam any more, today's kids are only allowed to be at home or be driven somewhere by a soccer-parent, while in the past kids would spend hours outside going everywhere and playing a lot.
Yeah the entire neighborhood played laser tag, kick the can, basketball, and rode bikes.
Today it's XBox/PS with headsets instead.
itâs very hard to burn more calories than we consume in a modern diet. even bread has gotten more unhealthy through the years
It's not, just takes you to be intentional about it. Use MyFitnessPal to track calories and you'll find out how bad some foods are vs others.
âyou canât outrun a bad dietâ is a cliche for a reason. The bulk of weight you lose when cutting wonât be from cardio, itâll be from cutting sugar. The reason kids were skinnier back in the day wasnât because they were running around more, itâs mostly because their diet, and even their school lunches, were less fried and fatty.
You said exercise plays a bigger role then food then told me to download a decade old app thatâs centered around calorie countingâŚ.
I'm not disagreeing, but I'm still also saying that this is 100% basic math, consume less than you burn. School lunches aren't making kids fat, their parents are. And running around outside will play a major factor in weight.
running around outside will play a major factor in weight.
Again, you said it was more important than diet. It is not. That was the point I keep making, and you keep talking around. Of course exercise is important, everyone knows that, but diet is more important without question.
Me: I just ordered this really cool thing from Amazon
You: you know that Amazon is over 20 years old, right?
Me: I literally do not care, they have a service that I want to use.
You: Ok.... boomer.
I would continue this thread with you, but you've already shown me what type of disagreeable person you are vs just having a friendly discussion. I'm too old to continue fights with Internet strangers. Not going to reply to anything else.
*sight
Though honestly site works too, unintentionally
You right, but for site to work, "everything ON site" would be more appropriate.
Meh that's just growing up. The children in my family all still run around outside and tire themselves out. Just not the adults.
Yeah the rise of tech, and tech jobs, screen time, etc played a huge role in this.
The amount of exercise you do doesn't change how much calories you burn, it just changes where they go to. The body is incredibly efficient at jockeying energy around to different places.
You can think of it like in Star Trek where they have so much power, and they have to decide whether to send it to the engines or shields or lasers. Your body has a base rate that corresponds to how much you weigh and that's pretty much it.
There are small differences based on what you do, but they're so small in comparison to what you eat diet is by far the primary factor.
Read the book "Burn", it's by a guy who specializes in metabolism. It's pretty interesting.
The amount of exercise you do doesn't change how much calories you burn, it just changes where they go to.
Bro, I'm sorry, but that's a crock of shit and disinformation. The energy to do work (or exercise in this case) does require more calories. This is a scientific proven fact. The overall vigor of the exercise does modify how much is actively being burned fat vs carb stores, but in the end it's irrelevant.
https://fatchfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Fat-vs-Glycogen-Graph.png
There's also the fact that sedentary lifestyles are now quasi enforced upon people. We pride ourselves on the number of hours we spend performing a task and organisations have taken advantage of this "hustle" culture of overworking and continue trapping us
Nobody is forcing you to sit in that chair except you. Get a modular desk that allows you to stand during the day. And don't take no for an answer either.
True! As soon as I am in an environment that allows me such an autonomy I am absolutely going to do that...
There aren't as many fat people in Europe and they have the same lifestyle minus the HFCS.
I'm not saying NFCS isn't a piece of the puzzle, but it's only one piece. Europeans don't play games as much as we do.
European players generally spend less time playing games than players in the US. The average playing time in the US was 13 hours (up from 12 hours reported last year), while in Europe this figure was only 9 hours (down from 9.5 hours in 2020).
Keep in mind that's just the average, so some people are playing a lot more than that.
Furthermore, the gini coefficient (a measure of income inequality) also has an effect, because studies prove poor people will buy healthier food and a gym membership if given the opportunity, but they can't afford an orange for almost $1. Europeans have small cars, small houses, and less income inequality overall, so they can devote more of their resources to healthy foods too.
This is the big one. Advancements in tech, entertainment and convenience.
People are takeaways 20-30 years ago but it was a one off or a treat, now you can have a wide range delivered to you within the hour or quicker.
Gaming has really took off leading to more sedentary lives and entertainment sources in general. Thereâs thousands of things to watch on tv now. When I was a kid, I didnât really watch TV outside of specific sports or programmes - itâs something you made a point of sitting down to watch - now itâs a go to when your bored.
Advancing society = more comfort
More comfort = not having to walk 10miles to a store, not having to work all day on a farm etc.
All of the above = bigger people
Not walking 10 miles to the store is fine if you go to the gym after, but this assumes you can afford a gym membership and quality healthy foods.
Seed oil
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Not all oil is as bad. Look into it.
We quit subsidizing fruits and veggies and started subsidizing corn. Then everyone got fat. Bad food is cheaper.
Speaking of flavor nowadays people barely even know what non sweet things are now. Like unsweetened iced tea or non flavored yogurt people won't eat because they're so used to everything being sweet.
Not real corn either, GMO corn via Monsanto.
I am no Monsanto apologist but I think the paint chips you ate were worse than GMO produce.
Yep.
This is exactly the answer, not only that but it can only be broken down by the liver. So people develop fatty liver disease not knowing it and then it just starts to store the energy cause the liver is struggling to break it down.
Was going through old comments. This is 100% spot on. The difference between sugar and high fructose is that sugar can immediately be burned as energy, whereas high fructose has to be turned to fat first before being used as energy. This makes a big difference
From seed oil?
High fructose corn syrup
Also the reduction of saturated animal fats and replacing that with vegetable and seed oils for flavor
Why do you say that saturated animal fats are better for you than vegetable oils?
Thereâs research that shows saturated fats are healthier and dont contribute to heart disease. Also look at the incidence of heart disease and the increased use of vegetable oils, seed oils, and sugar. When we ate eggs and bacon and beef and butter we didnât have as much heart disease
But there's also a ton of accepted research that states unsaturated fats are much better for your cholesterol levels, which directly affect risk of heart disease.
When we ate eggs and bacon and beef and butter, we also had way less processed crap in the grocery stores, and lived less sedentary lifestyles.
If you can provide some studies that back up your claims regarding saturated fats, I'll gladly take a look. But this seems pretty unlikely when weighed against the vast amounts of existing data.
Hereâs an articles with some of the recent studies outlining what Iâm talking about https://www.doctorkiltz.com/is-saturated-fat-healthy/
Apparently one of THE largest culprits is also the presence of omega 6. The increasing content of it in everything also coincides directly with the rising rates of obesity
ya and unfortunately we looking like the people in wall-e in comparison
Fast food on sites on every block, and then added drive thrus.
Not just that, corn syrup isnât used anywhere near as much in Europe and thereâs similar size problems
and the introduction of seed oils/removal of animal fat.
Yup!
coincidence
coincide
also the fast food and drive thrus offering nothing but deep fried, high caloric fake food don't help the obesity epidemic
Also with the use of vegetable oils.
No, they correlate with the introduction of vegetable oils into the food supply. High fructose corn syrup is digested the same as regular sugar, and doesn't have anything to do with obesity.
Also coincides with the increased pufa content and seed oil content of processed foods.
And seed oils like canola (and others like soybean but canola is the most widespread).
*used in America.
Though when even your bread is full of sugar not sure itâs just the corn syrup to blame.
I graduated high school in 1990. All that time growing up in school there was always one "fat" kid or one "fat" teacher. There was a definite change in food, lifestyle and everything else that started mid 90's. It also correlates, in time at least with the internet being more accessible (AOL especially) and cell phone advancement. Idk just a thought
The school system guidelines are likely the cause of lifetime bad habits and illness.
Remember the US food pyramid: eat a crap ton of bread and grains, Don't eat fat that's bad for you it causes heart disease.
Pizza and sodas for lunch, kids form bad habits from peer pressure.
In reality they still push the sick standard American diet even though nutrition research has advanced tremendously. Food manufacturers bear a massive role as propagandists in this so people still eat their substandard products.
There are thousands of research papers linking these ingredients to auto-immune disease, cancer, cardiovascular disease, and/or obesity. Especially in cumulative amounts overtime.
High levels of sugar and Refined sugars - causes insulin resistance over time.
Bleached and Refined breads - as bad as or worse than sugar at creating insulin resistance.
Refined seed oils (in everything)- high omega 6 fatty acid oils are all heated and deodorized and would likely smell rancid if they weren't because they oxidize rapidly into HNE and highly inflammatory compounds. Natural "Canola" isn't even supposed to be edible and was originally a machine lubricant similar to linseed oil. The current American omega 6 to 3 ratio is over 20:1, most healthy cultures are closer to 1:1
Artificial sugars - destroy gut bacteria, change gene expression, potentially lead to cancer.
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My kid eats breakfast at 6, school lunch is at one. They have a snack at 10.
If they were active, that would be appropriate. It's weird how they're required to be still, and then given unhealthy snacks.
Right around 1990 is when they started putting high fructose corn syrup into everything. Soda in the 80's used real sugar. By the 90s it was all replaced with high fructose corn syrup. HFCS is an artificial food that unlike table sugar does not exist naturally. One teaspoon of sugar is about 40 calories. One teaspoon of HFCS is close to 100 calories. Because of it's caloric density it absorbs insulin twice as fast as normal sugar. It is absorbed so fast the body does not know what to do with all the sugar so it gets converted directly into fat. Because it is absorbed quickly it makes people feel hungry again as soon as it is depleted. Although regular sugar is still unhealthy it takes longer to break down and will not make people feel constantly hungry like HFCS does.
Pepsi used corn syrup way before Coke switched in the 80s
One teaspoon of sugar is about 40 calories. One teaspoon of HFCS is close to 100 calories.
Bullshit.
Sugar and HFCS are very close molecularly (50/50 fructose/glucose vs 55/45).
Understand there is a difference between chemically bonded fructose/glucose vs unbounded loose fructose/glucose.
That bond is broken so fast that no functionally there is not.
Plus there was no childhood diabetes. Lately am even hearing of childhood alzheimers..
Same. And that kid usually had some medical thing that contributed. Or a rough home life.
A fat kid when I was young would be normal now.
I was just talking about this with my oldest son. He's 20. I pretty much said the same thing, 25 years ago when I was in high school, there were a handful of very heavy kids, in a school of 2000. Now I look at the kids he graduated with, and the kids in my younger kids school, and there's so many. Luckily I guess, my kids aren't heavy; probably good genetics plus eating home cooked meals most of the time. I'm not heavy, and my husband only has that little bit of belly a middle aged man gets when he eats good and drinks whiskey sometimes. I don't know what it is. I think a lot of it is eating out all the time. We rarely went to restaurants when I was a kid, and I still don't. I'd rather cook. Food tastes better and it's gotta be a little healthier.
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Thatâs child abuse imo
If you did the opposite and the kid was underweight, youâd have them taken from you
A lot of Americans flat out have no idea how to cook, unless it comes from a box with directions on the back.
My parents aren't overweight, but neither have a clue how to cook basically anything.
Fruit is terrible for you
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Also our sedentary lifestyle in America. Most jobs you spend 8 hours a day sitting down, and a couple hours sitting in your car too and from work. Then you get home and sit in front of the TV. Maybe broken up by a 1hr stint of activity at the gym.
In Europe and other places it's way more common to walk everywhere.
Where are you spending time at in Europe? My adult kid lives in Switzerland in s rural area and I just got back from a 6 week visit. I rented a car for the entire time because walking/taking the bus was not practical .
Outside of large cities most people drive places there. They also work 9-5 jobs and sit on their asses during that time. They arenât fat though.
People are obese in the US because our government allows shit in the food supply that is banned in Europe.
I know itâs fun for many people to hate on a group of people and to feel superior to them and fat people are the last group in the US that itâs acceptable to openly haze, harass, ridicule and talk shit to. Itâs not their fault that theyâre fat though. The sooner people start blaming the real culprit (the government that allows shit in the food supply because the poison pushers are great money donors) the sooner we can solve the obesity epidemic.
There are trains literally everywhere in Switzerland. Itâs got the best rail system in the world. You do not even need to check the schedule for most major routes as there are so many trains
Have you spent time in Switzerland? Itâs crazy expensive. Most Swiss people outside of Zurich and Geneva (where there is a street tram) are not riding the train around to live their lives. lol And even many people who live in Geneva and Zurich own cars.
The trains outside of Zurich and Geneva are mostly for tourists. And theyâre so expensive thar itâs worth buying a month pass that costs $120 USD that gets you discounted train fares for a month (the $120 does not count toward any fares, itâs just the cost of the discount card.) People who live there can purchase an annual discount card for around $200.
I took a train from Zurich to Buchs (about 1.5 hours) and it was $60 per person X 4 one way. Then I took a train up to Monte Rosa in zermatt and it was $120 a ticket per person x 4. Trains are insanely more expensive in Switzerland than they are in the rest of Europe. And they arenât all that convenient. Yeah theyâll get you from town to town but outside of Geneva and Zurich walking isnât practical because everything is so spread out and most smaller towns donât have public transport.
It was cheaper and way more convenient to rent a car for my family of 3 (4 if you include my adult kid who lives there) then pay train fare for everyone so we could travel in Switzerland.
The bus timetables are in sync with the trains though. You can literally step off the train and walk on a local bus and vice versa at every station in Switzerland. You don't need a car.
But on balance they are paid well compared to the average USian and enjoy way higher standard of living.
I agree, I have friends who live in both big cities and more provincial towns, none need a car. I lived in other big cities in Europe, never owned a car for nearly a decade, until I returned to my home country where public transit is atrocious. I miss having public transit. Still cheaper than owning a car.
dude.. the buses are packed with commuters. there are yearly train/bus passes, monthly passes.. often your work buys your transport pass, or even your hotel as a tourist. most trains are for tourists? lol. there are other cities in Switzerland besides Zurich and Geneva. and all towns have public transport.
if you donât know how to purchase practical public transportation, ask a travel agent next time. you miss a LOT just renting a car.
Most people in inner cityâs donât own cars, Berlin, London, Paris, Barcelona
Yes, because in those places, especially London town and Paris a parking space costs the same almost as a flat in other cities. lol. I have a friend who makes a 2nd income off her few spots in Paris. I have lived in Berlin and spent lots of time in London. Transit and alternatives are so much easier to use. Need a bike, there is one, need a tram/train/bus... bam.
I live in Europe, eat only when I am hungry and most of the time homemade type of food and I am obese.
How though is it not a fat persons fault when America has many healthy weight individuals too? I do not disagree with anything youâre saying, I am curious.
When an entire population skews heavier than the previous several generations then maybe it's time to look further than personal responsibility and see if there's a deeper cause.
Fluoride in the water interferes with Thyroid hormones as well. Not so common in Europe.
lmao this half century old outdated pseudo science has been studied countless times. I promise you Fluoride isnât whatâs making our kids obese
And getting upvoted too. FFS
Here's a good clip explaining how fluoride is corrupting your precious bodily fluids:
https://youtu.be/N1KvgtEnABY
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30316182/
You'll note that flouride problems are related to iodine levels. U.S. table salt is iodized for this reason, so that we would consume adequate iodine. However, there has within the last couple decades been a big push to use "sea salt", which has not been iodized, leading to a decline in iodine consumption. Could this be related to a rise in thyroid problems initiated by too much flouride?
Absolutely could supplement with iodine. Or alternatively, not add more fluoride. My water is already bordering on too high a level- naturally.
https://www.webmd.com/women/news/20150225/fluoride-in-drinking-water-tied-to-higher-rates-of-underactive-thyroid
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https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Fluoride-HealthProfessional/
I live in Spain and there are American foods that are either banned or the ingredients are changed in order for them to be purchased here. Iâm looking at you Kraft Mac and Cheese! (Iâm talking about thing at the American grocery store)
have been living on the corner of Switzerland/Germany/France 18 years. before that, California for 30 years.
i take the tram/train from country to country weekly. also drive sometimes.
the other day made my way home in the suburbs by the only way possible on foot: tram, stopped off did errands, back to tram, then walked across the country border about a half mile to the bus stop i like. i wanted more exercise but there are German bus stops right where the Swiss tram stop ends.
i had no timetable or phone.. sat down, bus came 10 minutes later. got off at our stop. walked ten minutes through the forest and then a path to our home.
you can not understand the transportation system in six weeks. i have taken the train everywhere, rode to the end of a tram stop to the boondocks and caught a bus to visit friends, done it all the past 18 years.
many, many people bike or run to work in europe. there are showers at their work and they change into their work clothes there. families walk or bike on sundays. elderly people easily do their own shopping and socializing using public transport. kids walk or ride bikes to school from age six plus.
itâs related to exercise (transport), healthcare, and food. not just food. lol
in the US (we visit at least two months a year) we ONLY drive. no other choice.
What people don't realise is they make money from obesity, people think its costs healthcare too much money. Its the other way round, they make you sick with poison in the food, then they make money off you from medications and those medications are addictive so you can't get free. And what's worse is they make the majority of us hate and pick on each other as if we're the problem. Disgusting.
In a great deal of America, walkable infrastructure does not exist. It forces a more sedentary lifestyle when you live along sidewalk less stroads where walking means taking your life into your hands.
Absolutely. I'm not blaming it on people being lazy.
And the few urban areas where walking is possible are often just unsafe, either gang warfare is out of control with daily shootings. Or aggressive vagrants with substance abuse issues make certain areas basically impassable.
So people literally treat their apartment like a compound in a zombie apocalypse movie.
Not all of the areas in cities. I regularly take long walks through my city, and so long as I steer clear of the known hot spots Iâm fine.
Philadelphia has tons of walkable areas. Kensington not so much for the drugs and the Northeast not so much because Roosevelt Boulevard is the worst stroad in the city for traffic accidents. Honestly, I feel safer walking here than I did walking down a street on the Main line where drivers just did not comprehend the idea of pedestrians.
Yea I never said all, but the American model of screaming "muh tax dollars!" and just refusing to deal with social issues aside from the prison system turns even walkable cities into hell holes.
The NIMBYs and tax screamers are short-sighted, Iâll give you that. I think Iâve just run into too many people online who honestly believe the nonsense about all the cities being anarchic burned-out husks.
Hell, in person they say it too. (âI swear Iâm fine, Grandma. No, Antifa did not burn my apartment to the ground. Seriously, Grandma. Nothing is on fire. Please stop believing Tucker Carlson.â)
Yup most places are so spread out you can't really even reasonably bike everywhere. America is a car culture country with a few outlier cities.
Itâs more of a high sugar/ processed food problem. You would have to exercise all day and it would be hard to burn the empty calories we consume. Itâs also a double edged sword, the food we have available doesnât do shit except destroy energy levels/ motivation.
Also vidya games
The UK and Turkey both have good public transport and lots of walkable infrastructure yet they're just as obese as America. Also America was still just as car-dependent back then and even here, obesity is increasing; cars play bugger all into this equation, it's the food standards and what you eat. Walking and exercise doesn't help if you eat lots of sugary and fatty foods, you need to eat healthy.
Hell no, GMO! High salts, preservatives, high fructose corn syrup, and the like are doing this to us. European versions of our foods (snacks) don't have the same ingredients because they won't put up with it.
THIS. When women were pushed into the workforce and forced out of supporting their family with healthy home cooking the nation turned to freezer aisle crap, sometimes eating healthier on weekends.
Also the low fat diet. Sugar was added to compensate for the loss of taste and now our bodies store fat instead of using the energy.
Fat isn't a bad thing in our diet. Not nearly as bad as sugars.
Are women not allowed to work in Europe?
They are but I think it's much less common for them to hold a job. All of my European relative's family's women are still home keepers and cook regularly and do not hold fully time jobs. The bare necesities are much less expensive, at least in Germany. A two hundred year old stone flat is a couple hundred Euro a month in a cute outskirt city with excellent public transit. It is becoming less common though. My female married cousins hold jobs.
And you would be completely incorrect in that assumption.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/15/why-the-u-s-has-fewer-women-working-than-europe-does/
From your own freakin source:
Blau and Kahn found that much of the participation difference between the United States and other countries is attributable to higher rates of part-time work in Europe relative to the United States.
and
Generous leave policies promote women's continued participation in the labor force, but they also are associated with gender inequity within organizations.
⌠yeah those quotes donât say women donât work in europe, just that leave (esp for childbirth) helps women stay in the workforce when they canât in America â that second quote literally supports OPs point dude, thereâs gender inequality, but more women have âcontinued participationâ in the workforce because of laws around maternity leave???
Iâm really confused how you read that 2nd quote and thought it wasnât saying that itâs easier for women to stay in the labor force in europe? The inequality part comes from them losing opportunities for advancement because they on average take way more time off due to maternity leave!
How do they get workplace policy benefits without a job? Confused much?
higher rates of part-time work
It's funny, because I'll bake quick breads, or cobblers etc about once a week, or I make homemade tortilla chips, fry something probably once a week, but we're all good. The beef we eat we raise, and I only use raw ingredients, I don't buy frozen food (I hate it, it tastes gross compared to what I'm used to). I just think all that extra shit in the food to keep it good on the shelf longer is part of the problem, along with obvious easy access of fast food through things like uber eats. I live about 30 minutes from the nearest decent size town of 8000, and over an hour from the nearest metropolitan area, so there's no convenient fast food options, either. I don't drink sodas because I can't stand the carbonation, and neither does anyone else except on occasion when we do go eat somewhere. Americans drink a whole lot of sugary bullshit too, which basically goes straight to storage.
Not only does the sugar go to storage but it makes your other calories do so too.
Then since your active processes are still calorie deficient you get hungry faster.
Sugar is really bad. An occasional cobbler isn't a big deal like you say but a modern grocery store diet has sugar in almost everything. Avoiding that alone would fix most of this , although I'm sure there's other factors.
Nah it was not so much this as the invention of the tv. Fast food and TV dinners took off in the 50âs right around the same time that every American household was getting a tv. People wanted quick meals so they could watch tv events with the family while eating.
How does that explain obesity exploding multiple decades later?
TV dinners may have not been great, but they also weren't so horrible back then. The ingredients used in a TV dinner in the 50s, 60s, and 70s would have been far better than what you get now.
TV dinners aren't the culprit, it's the shit ingredients that major corporations put into any and all processed foods.
I went to Europe for two weeks and definitely gained weight, despite being very active.
I think a lot of Americans want to think there's one magic bullet that solves the obesity epidemic, but I don't think there is one.
Unhealthy food is common. Exercise is rare and getting rarer. Portions are too large at restaurants. Healthcare is too expensive. We don't have walkable cities (but we also don't have a lot of cities with year-round climate conducive to walking). There are more indoor entertainment options than ever. We work too much, which means we gain stress weight and we don't have time to exercise or cook.
Etc, etc, etc.
That, and well, in Europe you walk, take a bike, or transit lots. When I lived in Europe, I never really watched my weight. Either I was walking to cycling. It adds up. Plus portions compared to, say US, are far smaller. US has insane portions. When I visit the US I end up splitting a meal with the person who I am with.
eat the same diet for two weeks, and lose 10lbs.
Then you aren't actually eating the same diet, are you?
We donât do anything outside anymore.
Ding ding ding that's the truth
That is absolute BS. I think actually daily stress at work levels increased. I am obese woman aged 35, I don't eat junk food, never drink sodas, I eat when I am hungry not out of boredom, I live in Europe, I workout at least once every few days, but I work overtime almost every day, my work situation has become obnoxious. I started gaining weight few years ago somewhat due to aging but also due to horrible stress. I wish I could quit my job and find something better.
Literally how none of this works. CICO - calories in, calories out.
You can only eat McDonaldâs and stay skinny.
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Processed foods are the culprit
And seed oils. So much shitty oils in everything. Seriously go to any regular grocery store. Fill your cart with two dozen random items and then read the ingredients of them before you leave and buy anything.
Guaranteed you'll have canola (rapeseed), soybean, vegetable, sunflower, or safflower oil in at least 90% of those products. Sometimes it's even found in things that don't need oil it's just added in there anyway.
All the food companies are complicit with the pharmaceutical industry. They know exactly what HFCS, processed foods, seed oils, etc do to people. They want you to be sick.
Palm oil is the absolute worst!
Actually palm oil isn't one of the "bad" ones if you can source it sustainably because conventional palm oil is extremely damaging to tropical environments.
But it's not technically bad for you like the others.
My buddy from Saudi Arabia always preached palm oil being terrible for you. Never really look too much deeper
Added sugar too
No they are not. I ate much more junk three years ago when I was much fitter.
Rolls eyes
Well I did
It seems like a lot of kids kind of end up snacking all day long, and don't really eat meals. Or it'll be snacks, more snacks, frozen or fast food, more snacks.
I completely agreement with your statement, but the truth is its hard to eat truly natural even at home. The vegetables have way more chemicals than they used to make in my parents days. An example of this is that in Canada, where I live, the farmers market strawberries are small, but out of season the California stuff is 3, 4x bigger. So like yeah I can eat fruit at home and be healthy but it's near impossible to be natural
That's very true. We raise our own beef, so we try to make sure we buy feed from small feed stores that's process their own feed in house. The rest is grass and hay. All we can do is try our best. I guarantee that even the fruit that's been treated is better for you than eating frozen processed mess. All we can do is our best.
Food tastes better and it's gotta be a little healthier.
It's a LOT healthier
Iâm 33 now we had a few fat fat guys but it was mostly the girls making up the chunky numbers. In a class of 85 kids I think 20 were overweight, 5 being fat.
Big Pharmas are probably sponsoring all fast food restaurants
Our bodies are designed to hoard calories and extract the maximum energy from food, to crave simple carbs and to binge when they are available, because until this century and unless, even now, you live somewhere wealthy (by third world standards) humans have never gotten enough to eat. Life has always been a struggle for calories to make it to the next hunt, the next fruit tree, the next carcass, the next spring. Of course we're all fat in this time of crazy plenty, even if we weren't jamming cheese and corn syrup in every cranny of every foodstuff.
Precisely
Yes! This is the true pandemic.
Covid 19 is a true pandemic.
The "fat kid" in my class was maybe 40-50lbs overweight. He would be on the higher side of average by today's standards. Back then, he was a ham planet in comparison.
Yeah, George from Seinfeld is slim Pickens now. I wonder if maybe they are poisoning us?
I was that fat kid and i noticed the same thing. After i graduated high school, though i began seeing many fat elementary kids. My heart goes out to them, its traumatic to live as a fat child. I had to grow up and get out of my parents home before i lost all that weight, and as a kid they dont have the option to choose their own meals.
Can confirm. I was the fat kid, and I wasn't fat. A little poor and malnourished, gave me a pot belly and I have broad shoulders. So I was "fat".
And here's the husky sitting at a desk: https://preview.redd.it/6cr5owkfoj931.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=1a63cc3ee513a27838509407990909a3054b0f8d
I was born in 80. I remember seeing fat people as a kid and staring. Whispering comments. Because it was fairly rare.
If five year old me saw now me, he would stare and whisper.
I went to the ER about a year ago and 85% of the people waiting were severely overweight. I am 6â and 189 pounds. I probably need to lose 15 pounds. Iâd guess that half the people waiting were 50 pounds overweight or more.
I graduated high school in the early 90âs. Graduating class was around 900 students. There may have been a few chubby kids. I donât remember anyone more than 20 pounds overweight.
50 years ago, in the 70âs there were very few fast food places. I was in college studying business. We did a case study about how more and more moms were working and cooking less at home thereby making fast food more popular. More fast food as opposed to home cooking = obesity.
Yeah. Growing up on the 80s we had one day kid in class. His name was Jacob and we were friends. By todays standards Jacob would be considered a bit plump, but nobody would bat an eye. Seeing these kids now⌠wtf.
Heavy Weights was all of the fat kids around the country.
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Yep, about the same age as you, I remember a time when seeing an obese person was almost.. shocking I guess? A spectacle? Not sure what word to use, but it was very uncommon.
I've started to pay more attention to people I see out and about, I'd say at least half of them are overweight. It's insane.
Yep I remember this.
I've said that too!!! There was always one and yea they would be husky today.
Stephen Young I'm so sorry. You were a good kid and I'd honestly like to apologize if ya see this. I didn't participate in teasing but I didn't stop it either. But of all the nameless classmates, I remember you, in a good way sincerely.
I was one of the two âhuskyâ kids in my elementary class. I remember being devastated when my doctor used that exact word to describe me. I wasnât really any less active than my friends and we never ate fast food or super sugary stuff but thatâs just how I was. In middle school I had a growth spurt and got really skinny, but by then I had a really bad self image from those formulative years and have struggled with eating disorders and bouncing between being average weight and being obese ever since.
Husky kids unite.
Yeah, in most my classes we did not even have one.
As the kid who shopped in the "husky" section, I can confirm this was the case up through my graduation in 02.
Edit: here's a lecture for any interested from Dr. Eades showing photos similar to those from OP. Dr. Eades has been at the forefront of true obesity research (trying to figure it out and help people instead of developing drugs) for decades.
https://youtu.be/pIRurLnQ8oo
70s early 80s pretty true
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https://whitegloveworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/wdw-peoplemover-1975-1.jpg
Iâm 18 and I remember when I was in middle school one girl broke a chair because sheâs so largeâŚ.
Yup. Say what you want but it's become normal and normalizing children being obese is terrible no matter how you look at it.
An episode of the simpsons from the 90s had homer get fat enough to qualify for disability. He was 300 lbs.
As far as rarity goes the equivalent nowadays would be the, "skinny kid".
It's the seed oils
Look at the rap group âThe Fat Boysâ. They actually look normal size compared to what we see today.
I was the fat kid, but I was also the tall kid who hadn't filled out at all yet. No one else finds it odd that the healthier the food is said to become, and the more health conscious people have become, the fatter we've gotten? It's almost as if all this health food is actually worse for you than attempting to budget your own eating. Of course food delivery doesn't help, but there were tons of 500 pounds mfers before door dash came along, so it's bigger than that. I want to say it coincides with the gay/ trans phenomena, as putting folks in weird cages makes them exhibit weird characteristics. It's only a matter of time before the trans movement becomes alien and seeks an offworld home.
Hijacking top comment: isnât the first picture Rio de Janeiro?
If yall want a real conspiracy that isn't democrat or republican bullshit, you should look into who funds many of the medical lobbyists and where big salt, meat and sugars money goes.
In July McDonalds spent $560,000 to lobby a large issue that included Issues related to food and nutrition policies and standards. Abbott Labs spent over $800,000 trying to weaken baby food standards. They aren't doing it for our benefit
Abbott Labs spent over $800,000 trying to weaken baby food standards.
How much worse can they even loosen them? Most formula is literally powdered milk and palm oil, you know those two most important foods for (American) human beings. LOL
You missed the number one ingredient, corn syrup solids. Powdered milk would be relatively healthy in comparison. It's literal junk food
Whaaat? Are there any healthy alternatives? We just switched to formula because my girlfriend wasnât producing enough milk on her own and she wanted a little bit of freedom rather than being a food source 24/7. I feel for her bc itâs wild how attached a baby can be to moms milk but what are the options going forward?
You have to special order the good ones. They're so expensive they don't sell well.
Dont listen to people on r/conspiracy about your baby's health please. You can look at all ingredients of all brands. Here's the truth:
The most commonly used infant formulas contain purified cow's milk whey and casein as a protein source, a blend of vegetable oils as a fat source, lactose as a carbohydrate source, a vitamin-mineral mix, and other ingredients depending on the manufacturer.
And most of those ingredients you named, such as vegetable oils, are terrible for anyone. Especially for babies though.
I guarantee the whey isn't from organic cows either.
"Common vegetable oils include soybean oil, sunflower oil, olive oil, and coconut oil. " Really showing your ass here. You're saying all vegetable oils are bad? You think corn is the only vegetable oil? You think they should put animal fat in instead? Do you know shit about organics? The requirements in the USA are so shit organic means literally nothing.
Edit, that's it, just down vote with no retort đ
Yea you really know nothing. No point in engaging with someone this brainwashed.
Then enlighten me? What should we use for babies to get them the fats they need to live?
Healthy fats? What do you mean?
Get organic baby formula if you can't breast feed, free from vegetable/seed oils. It's expensive but if you care about your baby's health then it's worth it instead of exposing your child to lifelong gut diseases as a result of going the "cheaper" route.
.... You think humans don't need fat to live? I didn't realize I was talking to a Neanderthal.
What the fuck are you even talking about? I just said the babies need healthy fats which what you listed above are not healthy.
Clearly your reading comprehension skills are diminished by all the unhealthy fats you consume all the time
List healthy fats.
Avocado oil, olive oil, coconut oil, ghee, raw butter, tallow.
You think avocado, olive and coconut are not vegetable oils đđđđ
I knew you were dumb but I didn't realize how dumb you were. Those are all fruits, not vegetables.
Have a great day and thank you for wasting my time. Enjoy your clogged arteries and chronic diseases from eating shit foods! đ
đđđđđ GOD I'm posting this everywhere, ty. This is real life comedy or the best troll. Read a book, google, ask a doctor lmao.
"Common vegetable oils include soybean oil, sunflower oil, olive oil, and coconut oil."
"The type of fat in maternal diet is closely related to the type of fat in the milk the mother produces, although the caloric content of human milk is fairly consistent." The type of fats in breast milk are what you eat. And everyone eats all types of oils, cunt.
Vegetable oils are the problem
What fat should they use instead? And the poster said there was high fructose corn syrup and no milk. Which was a lie.
That is not true guy said they used powdered milk and corn syrup solids. That is true for many formulas in the US.
Direct quote from OP I replied to. "you missed the number one ingredient, corn syrup solids. Powdered milk would be relatively healthy in comparison. It's literal junk food."
I encourage you to go down to the grocery store pharmacy and have a look through the infant formulas Tell me what you find. I have a friend and his wife just had twins and she apparently is not having any luck producing milk probably due to her fake breasts. But either way I went to the store and had to look myself at formulas and all of it was junk food like seriously look at the ingredients. Tell me that anything in there is actually healthy or remotely natural
Yea I work at a factory that makes the shit and I have never seen corn syrup solids there
You and the poster above lie
http://static.abbottnutrition.com/cms-prod/m.abbottnutrition.com/img/Infant-Formula.pdf
I literally move every type of product that comes in and Iâve never seen it
I just looked at ingredient lists from the top 3 brands at my local Walmart online. Two of the three the first thing listed was corn syrup solids. Enfamil "Brain-Building Nutrition" and PurAmino "Hypoallergenic" both mostly corn syrup solids. You either work at one of the few good factories or you are not looking close enough.
Iâm not in the states if that helps
We mostly ship to China
Iâll have to check sometime honestly
Ah okay. I wouldn't be surprised if we were the only developed nation that allows liquid Doritos to be given to babies.
I mean, we are supposed to be their food source 24/7 until they are old enough to eat whole food, and even then, we are still supposed to be the source for nutrients and antibodies via breastmilk. Itâs a sacrifice but totally worth it
Sorry I wasn't paying attention on here. Have a look at the ingredients of different types of baby formula and you will see what I'm talking about. You may be able to find healthier versions, but if you do some research online, you'll be able to find options that are not necessarily what's in your local pharmacy. Alternatively, get her to drink a lot more water. She'll probably produce a lot more milk. Most people, especially in America are heavily dehydrated
European regulations require the sweetener be lactose. Smart.
And high fructose corn syrup
Abbott was also in a scandal where their stuff (baby food) wasnât perfectly sterile.
I have worked there and I wasnât impressed, rubber accelerant burns, incompetent employees. The works.
Typical corporate setting
Sauce?
Isn't it awesome how our country is being ran into the ground by a handful of massive corporations lobbying for and against each other?
*has been run
at least as far as our food supply goes. Weâve already been tricked into eating the worst diet on the planet. Weâre the frogs in the boiling pot.
You don't have to though. It's easy to not, just have to know what your doing, and what to look for. People either don't care, or don't know how to change it
Knowing what youâre doing and subsequently what to look for, and acting on that knowledge, are the difficult parts.
Weâre multiple generations into a food dystopia. When your parents and grandparents raise you on an unhealthy diet, and your school feeds your junk, if you enter adulthood with an unhealthy body and a dietary miseducation, youâre statistically extremely unlikely to be able to reverse the trend.
In other words, research shows it is very difficult for individuals to reverse well-established dietary trends.
When more than 100 million people are overweight/obese, we canât just blame the individual. Better policy solves much of the problem. If the US were remove its massive corn sugar subsidies, the price of very sweet foods will rise enough that consumption will incrementally drop. We wouldnât even have to go so far as to restrict sugar content, though that would help immensely.
i feel like itâs an issue thatâs gonna be really difficult to solve but on an individual level is at least somewhat simple and possible. but youâre both right imo.
for oneâs self, sure. But on 100 million individual levels, or even 50% of that, or even 20% of that, research shows itâs an utter impossibility.
A 5% success rate is about as good as long-term individual level dietary change gets.
And we should care in part because we all double-subsidize corn sugar- once for the corn, and again for the healthcare.
And they also lobby to keep minimum wage down, keep insurance around, keep tax 3rd party around. They make being poor expensive and keep us like that. Terrible humans
They would have no bearing if it wasnât for the absolute shit of gov accepting all the bribes and letting them run the world.
And ruin public transportation to force us into buying cars and suffering through horrible commutes.
We need to put an end to lobbying. Period. No, I don't know how
Maybe we should try lobbying for it.
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This is what everyone says they want. Itâs capitalism. The goal is to increase profit period
Whoa now, comrade. They'll downvote you if you even come close to criticizing the almighty capitalism.
isn't it awesome how they've normalized lobbying when its actually just bribing
Worse than that. They have appointees on some of the biggest government arms that oversee farming subsidies.
Heroin and Cocaine look at sugar: that's where the money is.
Sugar looks at the internet
And believe it or not - Dairy in Canada
This is a horrible rabbit hole to go down. I havenât drank commercial milk here in years since learning about how disgusting commercial milk is.
It do be tasty tho
Uh oh. Go on
Got milk?
Do you have a starting point for me so that I could look into it? Iâd like to know more about this!
Salt isn't bad for you if your kidneys function(you would actually die without 1-2 grams per day, more if you sweat). Meat by itself is not unhealthy.
You don't need any amount of sugar unless you have a medical condition. You could and should cut sugar out of your diet right now, there is no downside.
Sugar became the go-to additive when the fat was removed to try to remedy things from now tasting like cardboard. Theyâve since juggled the fats & improved flavorings, but still push FAR too much sugar in most foodstuffs.
I still run into so many people who believe natural animal fats are some kind of deadly poison! People who if they buy whole chickens remove and discard the skin before cooking, or cook off the chicken fat and dump it down the drain.
Propaganda once its out there just does not die!
You have the sugar industry to thank for most of this.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat
https://www.alternet.org/2017/02/how-low-fat-foods-actually-made-america-fat/
started before that too; https://carnivoreaurelius.com/ancel-keys/
Woah! That is some seriously damning data. Thank you.
Yes, eating truckloads of red meat is probably not the best given that we feed animals foods they wouldnât eat in the wild.
But I know this, I was once diagnosed with a fatty liver and was told to stop drinking. While I reduced my drinking, I move to a keto diet and everything changed. I ate a LOT of meats and a high fat content. I barely exercised. I went back for bloodwork in two months and my levels were excellent. Not to mention I felt awesome.
My doctor still recommended I stuff myself with veggies, but he also agreed that sugar and high carbs were the biggest culprit to Americaâs obesity.
Propaganda once its out there just does not die!
Ain't that the truth...
And yeah, through the entire 80s and most of the 90s, the dietary trend was "low fat."
All kinds of food brands coming out with low fat / no fat versions (often with increased sugar) and fat was considered the enemy, generally speaking...
I remember when they used to advertise things like Tootsie rolls as being fat free lol
It's insane how much sugar is in stuff. Go around a Walmart market and look at the amount of sugar in all the drinks, even the "healthy" ones. Give people food stamps and then load them up with sugar, corn, and nasty oils. Everything is fake and nasty in the store.
Food stamps are good for potatoes, carrots, citrus, eggs, etc!
I'm actually super lazy, like homemade bread? I'm usually not gonna bother. But you can literally buy whatever meat is cheapest(if you're not a veg) like stuff marked down and some random veggies and boom stew, good too.
I'm not a fanatic or anything, if something premade is cheaper I'll buy it. But its usually cheaper to do some simple cooking.
Salt is vital for us. Many who are on a wholefood diet neglect this, and can end up hyponatremic (I was one such person). If you lack salt, your body will try to leech it from your bones, and over several years, can lead to osteoporosis. Processed foods can "bury" salt so you don't really taste it so much. For obese people, it CAN lead to complications like water retention. Saying that, just eat a whole food diet and salt your food. Your taste buds will tell you if you've had too much.
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Click bait media isn't helping, there was a story going around locally to me about a man who almost died from a fatal overdose of coconut water, buried in the article was a mention he had 0 kidney function and was a dialysis patient! New dumb urban legend created.
The meat in America (in grocery stores) has a ton of addictives and that's what makes it so bad. It's to keep it fresh as long as possible while still looking like they slaughtered the animal yesterday.
There are som foods that contain sugar that on the whole aren't bad, though. A lot of fruit are perfectly fine in moderation. I usually have a couple of kiwis and a glass of cranberry juice in a day. A couple of times a week I'll have a peanut butter & jelly sandwhich with black currant jelly, probably the most unhealthy thing I eat right now, though.
Yea I of course did not mean actual fruit but crap like soda and candy.
It's damn near impossible for a low to lower middle income family. The cheapest bread is more sugar than wheat sometimes it feels like. Healthier real bread from a bakery 5x more expensive
I mean stuff like sweetened coffee drinks, soda, breakfast cereals that are basically candy etc.
Take out the low hanging fruit first.
Buy a breadmaker ($150 or so) - easy to use, cheaper in the long term, and you choose what goes in your bread.
Nah get one from a thrift store like goodwill, or a garage sale. Muuch cheaper, and theres almost always a bread maker ar goodwill
I mean, even better. My point was to buy a breadmaker.
What they want is to create a tier of food that is literally poison, for kids.
Itâs already done. Soda and hot chips are just a means to convert your money into obesity, insulin resistance, gastritis and chronic constipation in exchange for a small amount of cerebral dopamine.
Soda and hot chips
hot chips?
hot cheetos, takis, etc. I work in a pediatric ER in a part of the country with a heavy Latino influence, theyâre my nemesis. Notorious for putting kids in my department.
Jesus how many hot Cheetos do you need to eat to wind up in the ER?
less than you think. especially over time, but not always. I saw several kids from the same elementary school in my ER for abdominal pain one day because the school decided that âchili and hot cheetos pieâ was somehow an okay lunch to serve children.
At least 7
To be fair both are delicious đ
if you donât drink it for a long time, soda tastes awful.
I rarely drink soda. But the times I do, I wonder why I drank it to begin with, it's so gross.
Yeah. I just treat soda like itâs s as part of the meal now whenever I occasionally get fast food. It somehow relieves my craving for fast food as a whole. Like I need it all together. But I rarely finish the soda. Fries tho⌠thatâs my nemesis⌠Iâll eat them all day.
The best way to replace it is to use a carbonation machine like SodaStream and just carbonate your water and add some lemon/lime juice or some other flavorings. It helped me reduce my soda habits.
I am not afraid to admit I have a crippling Topo Chico addiction.
But for real, I make my own syrups and sodas whenever I want to. It's fun, fulfilling, and I know what goes into what I make.
Not true for me, I eat those thing a couple times a month. Theyâre just treats, donât go crazy
it took a couple years abstinence for me to notice a difference. In the same way, foreigners from low-sugar countries find our soft drinks far too sweet. Iâm sure some love them.
I work with in the school system. The amount of morbidly obese children is absolutely sad. They look disgusting. The shit they are fed right out the wombâŚ
Simpler than that, it's guaranteed corn subsidies. If you grow corn every single year you will turn a profit no matter what the market price is because the department of agriculture will subsidize you. All that corn has to be turned into ethanol and hfcs and all kinds of shit. Instead of a farmer growing whatever is profitable that year they can just no-brain corn for the rest of their lives and make money.
Yup. And that all changed under the Nixon administration to be a net exporter of corn. Most of it goes to waste with that program.
The food pyramid is already bogus...however, just the perception of eating in general is also fucked. We DO NOT need 3+ meals and snacks a day. We donât even need food every day.
Go down the rabbit hole of what happens while fasting and it will blow your mind. Different gene expression and increased autophagy. Iâm talking literal anti cancer benefits.
Thatâs just regular benefits. When you start adding in the benefits of just consuming less of the trash that is infesting modern processed food itâs like a no brainer. Everybody should be going as close to the source as possible and even growing their own food.
Another fucking scam. Probably one of the best things we could do for the environment is more sustainable, localized food production. No climate change activists are pushing that because...again, follow the money. Itâs all BIG factory bugs or factory vegan to SaVe ThE pLaNeT. When you realize the amount of waste involved to get ANY commercial or processed product to your table itâs all gross. But it stimulates that wallet. All that waste generates money for a bunch of people.
Regenerative farming is never brought up when they talk about the environment, which tells you everything you need to know.
Same as localized power production. Producing and moving âon-demandâ energy is so wasteful. Subdivisions should be built with their own localized power sources. But hey who am I to stop a monopoly?
The push to veganism without understanding all the components of a healthy and fertile ecosystem. The amount of restoration that could be achieved by promoting homesteads and small scale and as much as possible self sustaining farms is incredible, but that would foster self reliance and freedom from the machine and they could never condone that.
but that would foster self reliance and freedom from the machine and they could never condone that.
Thinking about how reliant people are on this system is one of the scariest things you can do. The word "sheeple" is an understatement to how inured people are to this machine. They own people, from head to toe, and everyone is just so fking clueless and distracted from realizing the reality of their situation.
People didn't get the vaccine because it was the right thing to do - they got it because they told them to and like a dog, they obeyed.
Fuck off, I just came back from a symposium discussed by thousands and regenerative and agroforestry were discussed extensively.
The reality is that people cant sustain themselves planting in a 50ft studio with their 4 roommates
I suspect most 4 person households produce enough food scraps to sustain 4-6 chickens which would in turn provide them with 1-2 eggs per day for almost a zero cost while being a healthier product, providing better animal welfare and less pollution through supply chains.
You do need a bit of space though
Yes chickens are on my to do list. Things like this would be much easier with more community involvement. Another thing that has been eradicated in more populated areas.
I just eat whenever I feel like eating. Once or twice a day
Exercise is still important. I donât do that though
Not eating is just as important as exercise...so youâre consistent
There are an awful lot of lies and scams and exploitation in the food industry. However, you are also utterly full of shit.
Waste and inefficiency are inevitable in any process. The idea that we could feed 8 billion people and maintain modern society without extensive industrial farming is fantasyland.
The idea that most people would survive if they had to fend for themselves, yeah fantasy land.
The idea that the current state of affairs is sustainable. Also fantasy land.
The idea that you would survive if you had to fend for yourself is cute.
"Hunter gatherers" spent (and still spend) a lot of their time food flat, sitting on their ass in the dirt, scratching around for bugs to eat. That's the glamour of a low calorie intake low output lifestyle.
If you tried working a hard physical job with your "don't need to eat every day" idea, you might rethink things.
I agree that there is no way to make things sustainable for 8 billion people, but heavily industrialized vertical farming is the future unless you envision a future where the total population of Earth is a couple of hundred million (which you would be statistically very unlikely to experience)
I guess itâs funny because I literally moved my entire family across the country this year to a more sustainable state. Still have plenty of bullets and now I live by deer and a river.
I work a physical job every day and donât eat until I get home. Thatâs honestly more than I need. Iâve water fasted for at least five days multiple times. You should probably try it unless youâre seriously malnourished.
How do you think hunters hunted after no meat for a week? By eating a giant breakfast and then hitting the drive through?
What job do you work, champ? Have you "water fasted five days while showing up to work?" Cause I call bullshit that you could swing a pick for a whole day after five days of no food.
"Hunters" hunted by eating all the food which the women gathered. The majority of calories in hunter gatherer diets are from plants and bugs scrounged up by low energy slow twitch scratching and picking.
Your heroic ideas of eating slabs of raw meat as you power around energetically building a smelter and a gunpowder factory to be self sustaining are a goddamn fantasy. Watch the hardcore survivor reality shows. The people who actually manage to survive off the land lay low and conserve energy while eating bugs and plants.
I stopped eating 3 meals a day and I feel better than ever, and I work a very physical job. I just snack on peanuts and broccoli and shit during the day and eat a full meal at night.
Just remember it was the government that pushed the food pyramid. It was yesterday's version of the carbon footprint
You know what's funny, South Park had a skit on this back in the day about flipping the food pyramid to make Fats the most important thing to eat and for sure they were on to something...
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Itâs one of the biggest verified conspiracies. The marketing/advertising industry. Psychology has been used against people. Itâs perfectly natural and intended biologically to WANT food: when you see food...when you see somebody else with food...when you smell food....when you anticipate food. What better way to sell food than take advantage of this? No need to wait until somebody is hungry.
People have different genetic propensities for food cravings. I worked at a nutrition store and would get hundreds of dudes coming in who had trouble eating enough. Even with sugar and âdirty bulkâ techniques.
Then on the other side of the spectrum is people who are constantly having a hunger signal sent to their brains even while eating a clean diet without sugar mixing up their dopamine/ghrelin signaling. You can take any two people and one will reach satiety at a much different level, and one will also reach hunger at a much different time, and one will put on weight because their base level of calorie burning (TDEE) is much lower. It is easy to give fatties a bad rap because YOU find not eating so easy. Let it be known there is significant differences in any two stomach floras, any two TDEEâs, nutrient partitioning, etc.
You can fight your genetics, but it is on a whole different level of difficulty for them, versus you. I am not even talking about sugar intake here. Many people can easily gain weight with a clean diet, and some people just by merit of existing burn WAY more calories and can stay leaner without hunger signals constantly pestering them.
So congrats on having it easier, but donât just assume they arenât trying. You never know. Chances are they are truly hungry and being sent the signals levels above what you are used to. Can you imagine having the munchies all the time? But yeah throw in some sugar or processed food and they are in a terribly cycle of being hungry and not getting the nutrients they need.
It is highly unlikely that they would be receiving wrong hunger signals if they fasted to reset their chemical addictions and then proceeded to abstain from processed foods and sugar. For anecdotal evidence I suggest you look into leangains. Typical hard gainer that started to fast intermittently and it helped him bulk.
Iâm somebody that typically looks at a donut and gains ten pounds. And similarly, fasting has helped me get a hold on that as well.
Iâm not saying it is a fix all, but people wildly discredit how much the food they intake actually affects them. Specifically, epigenetically. It will literally change gene expression, which is what you are saying is a variable.
It will warp your view on TDEE as well because you DO NOT realize how many calories are actually used in the process of digesting food. Almost every person when reduced to a fasting state, after the first few days, will only burn about 500 kcal max per day of sedentary behavior.
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I am saying it is a different game completely for some people. A caloric deficit is absolute torture for some, and easy for others.
I still remember all the death threats from the mere proposal of changing the measuring units of sugar from grams to tablespoons. Oceanspray literally said that their juice was absolutely disgusting and needed to trick people into drinking it by making it 50% sugar.
Cranberries are absolutely disgusting without an assload of sweetener. They're bitter as hell, and were considered inedible before Oceanspray came out with their preparation process.
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Cranberries can be stored just by crushing them and making sure there is enough juice to cover the pulp. At root cellar temperatures they are protected by their own acid content.
If you use a steam juicer you can bottle the juice and it will preserve at room temperature for a number of years.
Thatâd be great to read things in tablespoons, instead of like this soda has 70 grams itâd say 6 tablespoons way easier to visualize how much is really in the product youâre consuming
Yeah, that was the point. Literally every company in the world were rabidly begging, threatening, bribing, and demanding that the change didn't happen because it would give people more perspective on just how much sugar is in their food/drinks.
this is a really subjective thing lol
Which part? Then more specifically, for me, I wouldnât have minded it is all Iâm saying
100% cranberry juice is literally inedible almost! It is so bitter and it dries out your mucus membranes i your mouth. Its like 10Ă worse than drinking straight lemon juice.
And that money wants nothing more than you to be locked into government provided 'healthcare'
you should look into who funds many of the medical lobbyists and where big salt, meat and sugars money goes.
Big Salt?
lol...
Didn't know that Morton had so many lobbyists on Capitol Hill :)
Hook me up with some links. I love anything that isnât political bullshit
Big sugar was the culprit. They suppressed a Harvard study that showed a causal link between sugar and heart disease. Then there was the fat makes you fat BS. Sugar is now a n everything. Pile that on with a change in farm subsidies for corn. Bam. Low priced carbs and liquid sugar for everyone.
Refreshing to see an actual non-partisan conspiracy post in this sub.
Bingo. Everybody is talking about sugar and HFCS, but the amount of sodium in American food is astronomically high. Itâs super common to find âlow sodiumâ options at a health food store weighing in at 600-700 mg per serving. Itâs pure insanity to call anything above 100-150 mg âlow sodiumâ.
A significant portion of âfatâ people arenât necessarily fat. Severely bloated would be a more accurate term.
Nothing wrong with meat or salt, other than the sugar lobby placing blame for poor metabolic health on everything but itself.
I am misinformed, what are the âbig meatâ companies?
Hormel, Tyson, etc
Thanks, I was thinking steak and not chicken so i completely missed the tyson, purdue, etc. thanks!
Interestingly, just four companies (Cargill, Tyson, JBS, and the National Beef Packing Assoc) slaughter, pack, and sell about 70% of US beef, as well.
Good to know. Ive seen so many documentaries and most focus on chicken. I appreciate the insight
Watch cowspiracy.
Off the top of my head, Tyson is massive in it. Also, there is a farmers association that will try to keep a lot of information out of the public eye.
Omg duh, lmao. Thanks
Just a way to propagandize eating meat by those who are against eating meat.
Oh I promise you that I'm not an "eat the bugs" or "everyone has to be vegan" person, but the negative health effects of meat should at least be known.
There are far more positive health effects of eating meat than negative. Hell proper brain development in a child requires meat. This has been extensively documented.
"negative health effects of meat" are due to industrial feed lot and monoculture agriculture systems along with all the toxic buildup due to the pesticides, herbicides, etc.
Animals allowed to eat their natural diet and raised in an environment similar to how they naturally live produce high quality meat that is absolutely health giving.
Seafood is even better than land animals, and results in a lot less cruelty.
Meat and sodium are not bad for you.
Sugar is poison.
I don't know how to look into it. I often wonder how people can find the source of the money. I Google things but can never get that deep.
Big Meat, eh?
This is the huge hole conspiracy people always fall into, it isn't enough to just say people made money, everyone makes money when anything happens! This was a shift of culture and like other people said, a confusion around fat vs sugar
I feel like lumping salt and meat in with others is wrong considering their historical place in our diets, no matter which region of origin. The sugar conspiracy is 100% real and IMO not even a theory at this point, if you wanted to say âsugar etc.â the âetcâ should be the Dairy industry, that is somewhat less common in historical diets and very well could be a (somewhat) modern injection into our diets for nefarious purposes. Edit: also corn big time
Don't forget the Dairy Council!
True that itâs not conspiracy per se, itâs pure capitalist greed pushed to the extreme. Fat or obese people eat more, just let them go fatter so theyâll buy more of our products. What shitty things could we add to our recipes ?
Yeah they didn't eat meat in the 70s
And seed oils. So much shitty oils in everything. Seriously go to any regular grocery store. Fill your cart with two dozen random items and then read the ingredients of them before you leave and buy anything.
Guaranteed you'll have canola (rapeseed), soybean, vegetable, sunflower, or safflower oil in at least 90% of those products. Sometimes it's even found in things that don't need oil it's just added in there anyway.
All the food companies are complicit with the pharmaceutical industry. They know exactly what HFCS, processed foods, seed oils, etc do to people. They want you to be sick.
20 bucks will buy you like a 10-year supply of salt it's one of the cheapest things there is. Is there really a big salt
No sh Sherlock. Yet you still name drop both democrat AND republican.
You offered nothing else. Why not share WHO it was here and bring more attention to it.
Like I get what youâre saying but the fact you lead with the two party paradigm struck me as odd. And the information is ultimately lacking.
My brother in christ, I mentioned that because this sub seems to be in a constant fight and that this is a conspiracy that both sides can agree on.
As an overweight American, I worked in Japan for a few months and my weight PLUMMETED. I wasnât even trying to eat healthy!
my first time walking the streets of Italy and i quickly realized everyone was so attractive to me because just about all of them were slender.
I felt the same way when I went to Florence. I couldn't figure out why everyone looked attractive, then I came across a large person that really stood out and it hit me.
Mirrors be cold.
The truth hurts - Lizzo
Irony...
I'm curious if the amount of walking, biking, and just not driving have anything to do with it... đ¤
It's almost like most of them don't spend most of their time traveling sitting behind a wheel barely moving.
I spent three months in germany with my girlfriend turned fiancĂŠe while she did research abroad. I can confrm that all the walking into town was part of why I lost ~20lbs. It as also just the better ingredients used in the foods and lack of preservatives too. This is on top of the fact that eating out for dinner was common for most people and almost part of the culture there, so we were eating out 6 out of 7 dinners every week and still lost weight.
I don't think so. I was very active here and when I lived overseas and here ... I would have to stop eating to lose weight. Like ... completely stop eating.
There's something in our food.
This has always been my theory. New York and DC having a shit load of gorgeous people have only solidified it for m
Its the sugar / simple carbs that americans love. Plain and simple.
Want to lose weight fast? Dont eat any sugar. After a month youll have lost pounds.
Nothing else you need to do. Dont need to exercise. Or diet any other way. Obviously if you pig out youll gain weight but eating normally without any sugar and your weight will drop.
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I think naturally occurring sugars in fruits are okay, it's really just added sugars that are bad. Also avoiding eating anything that's not naturally occurring in nature (all processed foods/ingredients) helps too.
Naturally occurring sugars are okay, but Only if you eat the entire fruit and not juice it. You need the natural fiber that comes with it to keep the sugars digesting longer so it doesnt immediately turn into fat.
It has a lot to do with it but Italian food is the key. People get caught up in the no carb diet idea but that's bullshit we've been eating carbs forever and only gotten fat fat in the last 30 or so years. It's the processed food and sedimentary lifestyle. Bed, car, computer, car, couch, bed. That's no way to live
Sedentary
True. My mistake
This is a very good point. Back in 2004 I moved to another city for a year to finish a college. I decided to not take a car with me. Absolutely nothing changed with a diet but I lost quite a bit of weight by simply walking more opposed to driving.
Edit: now thinking back... I was born in a very small town/village and was a skinny kid. Family moved to the city and after a couple of years I had this annoying belly that I could never get rid off no matter how much I exercised. I think it is between the food/additives and the air pollution that gets us really bad.
It's almost like most of them don't spend most of their time traveling sitting behind a wheel barely moving.
It's almost like... they smoke. A lot.
yes aswell stronger eating disorder culture in east europe
That and most European countries don't put sugar/high glukose fructose corn syrup in everything.
Someone gets it.
As an Italian i can say we eat a lot of pasta and pizza and dont get fat beacause we always eat from local markets and not a lot of supermarkets or big food companies, when i see videos from USA i see everyone is eating fast food and stuff.
I travel to London for work. I was like the fattest one there and Iâm not even that big. Iâm dad bod fat at nearly 40 years old.
[Abandons ice cream van] Take whatever you want, man! Take it all!
Walking
Well there you go. Those damn Italians and their physical activity.
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I like me a thicc mami
The first time I went to Italy I realized the quality American food was different from Italian food. Food felt real in Italy.
i had falafel served by Asians in Italy, and it was better than all the falafel i got in los Angeles
I lived in Russia for 6 years. I also lost a ton of weight without trying at all.
Which says to me that there is something in our food making us fat.
Nutrition labels clearly state the amount of calories in various foods.
Itâs simply calories in vs calories out. If you want to lose weight eat less and burn more. Thatâs the secret. Itâs not a conspiracy that someone gets fat.
It's the way US food is though. THAT'S a conspiracy. It has added sugar in almost everything and extra sodium and fat. I'm sure it does something to our hunger levels and brain. Plus the cost. It's all backwards.
I agree. When I was in Japan I wasnât looking at food labels. I was just doing my same routine
I ate pastries, fatty foods ... no trouble keeping the weight off.
Thats true, your bread is literally sweet it's so odd.
Iâm actually very into nutrition, so Iâll detail my response:
No, there isnât a magic chemical or additive in the food making us fat. However, there are plenty of factors that play together to create that outcome.
I saw someone compare Japan to America and how they lost weight so letâs use that example. America is a driving country, which means very little actual walking is done whereas Japan and predominately a walking country. Walking alone can contribute between 400-1000 calories per day. Next major factor is food choices, Americans typically eat very calorie dense foods (cookies, chips, fried foods) where in Japan they eat very low calorie dense food (ramen, fish, sushi) which means they can eat more to stay full and stay within their calorie allotment
Weight is due to too much energy, as you can see America has a lifestyle issue (too many calories and not enough exercise)
Everyone is talking about diet, but one of the worst things for your health is driving your car everywhere. In Japan most people walk much more to get around.
Exactly this. People depend on public transit more and walk way more compare to an average American who relies mostly on cars for transportation. People really underestimate the positive impact walking has in metabolism, digestion, and health overall. Make sure to get that steps in, folks!
There are large areas in the US where you have to drive, its too far to walk or bike to get to places.
When I cut out dairy and most all meat (left fish on occasion) and quite a lot of bread, I lost 60lbs in a year. It got rid of health issues I was told I'd need medication for, for the rest of my life - two of which were hereditary heart conditions.
American food is fucked. There's so much added to everything. I was eating a ton of veggies, white rice, some seafood, homemade soup, etc. I was healthy AF.
Itâs all the walking.
Japanese dumplings are one of my favourite foods.
They don't have a shitload of corn to get rid of so they don't add a bunch of unnecessary calories to everything.
As an overweight American, I worked in Japan for a few months and my weight PLUMMETED.
As an overweight American, I worked in Japan for about a month and my weight skyrocketed.
I ate everything. It was so good.
Lol literally tho. Came home and went to try âauthenticâ Japanese places. Not even close to the deliciousness
Same thing for me in central Italy. I had huge multicolored meals with pasta and tons of meat every weekend and still lost like 3 pounds a week while I was there.
Calories in
You absolutely did not lose 3lbs a week.
Went from 265 to 235 in a summer. Didn't check in every week but that was the average.
Why not? It is possible.
That's a 1500 calorie per day deficit.
You're assuming but know nothing of their height, weight, and physical activity. And the 1500 isn't only physical activity. The human body burns calories by just existing. It's very possible based on their context.
Thier height, weight, etc. is irrelevant. It's a a 1500 calorie deficit per day. Possible, but extremely unlikely. Especially without trying.
Sorry to disappoint you but it's what I do for a living so... You don't know shit about this topic.
Then you are very bad at what you do.
Lol!!
Don't worry. Make it back up in alcoholism
Well yeah car lobbyists fucked Americans' ass hard
do you currently exercise?
You were burning more calories than you were taking in.
look at food labels.
compare the exact same product between american version and the uk version (as example)
the amount of extra preservatives in the same food product from america vs an international version is astonishing.
Doesnt help that america does profit from it's healthcare system so it's a deliberate ploy to make everyone obese, unhealthy and therefor paying customers to the healthcare industry.
And did you drive everywhere??? NO.
But even you aren't smart enough to figure out its due to cars.
I went to Germany for 4 weeks, and lost 40lbs, and still ate like I normally did, and had soda (which I normally don't drink in the states cause the corn syrup stuff tastes like ass).
FAT = BAD. SUGAR = GOOD.
That was the problem. Everything went fat free. So they added tons of sugar to everything.
This but also people underestimate how much stress fucks up your hormones and thyroid making it too easy to pack on the pounds and not be able to lose them
Eh, stress will make you want to eat more, but typically wont make you naturally more fat through thyroids/hormones/metabolism, thats mostly a useful myth people tell themselves, because once your obesity ruins your hormones, metabolism, and thyroid, people can pretend there obesity was caused by those issues rather than effecting them
Also, who cooks the meals? Who plays outside?
Sadly, i don't think it's just one issue, but a combo
Agree. This isn't a conspiracy. It's a highly complex issue that's developed over half a century
Everybody works, everybody has extra activities, everybody has screen time⌠I feel like weâve built such a toxic environment.
Who has time?
No one and I think that's scarier. It feels like everyone's busy and nothing's improving
Everything is a 1-2 (and 3 punch)... TPTB know how to be phony
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I know. Iâm saying in the 90s thaâs what they were telling everyone. That fat was bad. Thatâs why everything was âfat freeâ
That and vegetable/seed oils are in everything now
Also "sugar free" means absolutely nothing - stuff they substitute sugar with is no healthier
I feel like itâs more healthy nutritionally speaking (in like the same literal way that eating sand is probably healthier than eating sugar), but it probably causes cancer or mystery digestive issues faster
Iâm doing keto now because itâs the only diet that Iâve actually lost weight on and from what they tell me itâs fat= good lol. And theyâre right.
So they added tons of sugar to everything.
And often salt too.
Back when they sold us food instead of food-like products
Exactly. It's sooo sooo difficult to get Sugar from nature. You have to chew out a lot of sugarcane to get a tiny amount. But now you could just open up a bottle of soda and drink like a shit ton of it without any effort
There was actually lots of sugar in 70s food. But it was real sugar, not high fructose corn syrup: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/avoid-the-hidden-dangers-of-high-fructose-corn-syrup-video/
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Most of the is true, lots of sugar is things it shouldn't be in due to fat being villanized. However HFCS is not Glucose only, and worse than glucose. Some sugars by products enter the Krebs cycle at different spots and convert to fat more easily than other. Fructose for example. Normal amounts like in fruits are fine, high levels of fructose like HFCS are the issue. Glucose not as much
Itâs irrelevant what kind of sugar converts to sugar most easily. Itâs the amount of calories that you consume vs the amount of calories that you burn that matters.
Yep I think it was food Inc (documentary) that discussed how the food industry decided to pump out crap to us and start with propaganda about fat free foods being best for us while at the same time ignoring the health issues of all the sugar additives
Additionally fat has satiating properties. You eat fat it fills you up.
Sugar has the opposite impact. Blood sugar plummets an hr or so after your consume it and makes your body hungry to balances the low blood sugar.
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yeah the HFCS vs Sugar blah blah is hillarious. Table Sugar is 50% fructose. HFCS is like 55% fructose.
Yeah, but there is not a single obese person on earth who gets their daily sugar intake only from fruit.
Different types of sugar get metabolized differently.
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Funny, because you actually missed the point. Sugar from an actual fruit source is different from the "same" sugar in a food product, because of the composition and mixture with low quality fat and other things. You can eat as much fruit as you like, if you dont eat candy and fast food you will NEVER become obese with fruit. So its not foods with fructose in general that makes you fat. You are making it seem as though all foods with fructose are the problem.
Most fruit contains a lot of water and fiber. Thats why you will be full before you can eat too much of it.
Just...there is so much wrong with your statement it is staggering
So much wrong? Everything is correct and your reply did not even adress anything that is supposedly wrong lmao how can you be so butthurt from a single comment? I upvoted yours and only added a tiny detail and you cry like a fucking baby hahah
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Go cry in the corner, illiterate. Only come back when you managed to deduct what I wrote in the first place.
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In short, stop with the narrative that it is "processed" sugar or a different kind of sugar that is the issue.
Natural sugar in fruit is NOT the issue. It is the processed sugar that IS. Or do you not understand what processed means? Does the fructose just fall out of the fruit into your muffin, if you shake it good enough? Eating muffins makes you fat, eating apples does not.
You should see a psychologist, only narcissists are unable to admit they are wrong.
Glucose is glucose
Since you know best, maybe you should be setting the Cleveland Clinic straight about that, instead of wasting your superior scientific knowledge on Reddit?
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I imagine
Tell me you didn't read the link without telling me you didn't read the link.
Read it or fuck off.
I mean, that article you link has 0 citations. It's not even really an article, it's like an ad for non HFCS foods.
The other poster probably has an undergraduate level understanding of basic biology, as do I, which is why we're confused you're saying fructose and HFCS is a different thing
Itâs also well documented that processed vegetable oil that is also in everything nowadays is terrible for your health - much worse than sugar
https://www.alternet.org/2017/02/how-low-fat-foods-actually-made-america-fat/
Agreed, the low-fat bullshit certainly didn't help either.
Exactly. lol do people really think no one ate sweets prior to the 1980s??
Christ stop scapegoating the HFCS. Its fine. Its the same fructose-glucose ratio as many fruits. The real answer is that people now lead more sedentary lifestyles and eat less nutrient dense and fibrous food
Don't tell me, Doctor. Tell the Cleveland Clinic. They're the ones spreading misinformation
Most fruits contain lots of naturally occurring sugar.
Yeah but they are seasonal, not available round the year.
People have been preserving foods since farming began. Dried fruit is full of sugar
âYou have to chew a sugarcane to get a tiny amountâ
Vs
Just walk into any shop a buy a piece of fruit or some berries.
Yeah mate seasonal argument is garbage, your claim itâs rare and you gotta chew on a sugarcane is complete bullshit.
It's not difficult to chew sugar from sugarcane. That stuff's delicious.
But yeah, of course they're stuffing everyone full of useless harmful HFCS these days.
Almost like you could just not drink soda if you didnât want to or something.
So difficult really ? Or you just chew some bread. they all carbohydrate.
Go ahead, make your own bread from scratch, including producing the wheat. Then you'll understand what I am saying
Yay I get it so well, cos 70âs have no bakery shop or supermarket, bread are more rare than the soda. We donât live the stone age. You the one who canât acknowledge the fact. Please educate youself.
Strawberries bananas oranges kiwi plums peaches grapes blackberries blueberries Apple Pears apricots raspberries...
Everyone of them is seasonal, they are only available round the year for like last 100 years max. While humans have been evolved to not have that much sugar around for round the year for millenaias
Right? Why is this on a conspiracy sub it's a plain as day fact no one's hiding
Back when not everyone drove everywhere.
You know you can still buy regular food, right? Nobody out there is pointing a gun to your head and making you go to McDonalds and buy pop-tarts. I went grocery shopping a few days ago and got plenty of fresh fruits, vegetables, rice, beans, bread, etc.
And I do, but it not easy. You have to pay extra for "organic" or "free range" if you don't want hormones, pesticides, and meat from animals who've lived unnatural lives in stalls where they can barely move. Meanwhile, a majority of product offerings in your local Wal-Mart is cheap processed shit pumped full of preservatives and sugar. You're right that no one is forcing me at gunpoint to eat junk, but please don't pretend that stores are chock full of worry-free, healthy food, and that they aren't trying to push unhealthy crap on their customers. And I make damn good money. Head to your local Dollar General and tell me how many healthy options you have. Next, imagine that that's all you can afford and some people want to hit you with "no one's forcing you to eat it".
Itâs not the gmo stuff thatâs making you fat.
Itâs the easy Mac, serving sizes of pasta, and the sodas combined with a complete lack of exercise.
If you buy actual produce and meat, cook it properly, and eat a reasonable amount, youâre well on your way.
You know what? Look at the Dutch. They walk and bike more than we do; not as exercise, just to get from A to B. And they have low obesity. Far lower than Americans.
If you buy actual produce and meat, cook it properly, and eat a reasonable amount, youâre well on your way.
Which brings us to the real reason people were not obese in the 70's: they were getting up in a family structure where one parent was staying at home and taking care of the children's welfare, including cooking.
I know plenty of families with two working parents and a healthy diet.
Itâs about knowing how to cook and being willing to do so. Way too many lazy parole take the easy way out.
Also: people letting their kids be picky. Your kid should not be eating Kraft Mac and cheese as a meal; you need more than that. Protein, vegetables.
And there are also plenty families where both parents are working 10+ hours a day including commute.
Okay? Meal prep. Cool every other day and eat leftovers. Itâs completely possible, itâs just not as easy as stopping for fast food.
And having stay at home parents meant home cooked meals.
Who's they? Big Food?
You donât have to buy the food like products. Itâs pretty easy to make your own food.
Fat seems to have come right around the time drive thru fast food places came around. You canât just eat food pumped full of preservatives regularly.
Well thatâs a personal choice, you can still buy food or grow and make your own. Biggest problem is everyone is lazy these days and want the quickest easiest and cheapest food they can get their hands on.
I'm thankful beyond meat failed. Industry created fake meat is not food. It's a bunch of synthetic shit which comprises the body.
Our food is garbage and we are immersed in plastics now
Fucking corn. Everything has fucking corn in now. Government subsidized corn along with a completely sedentary lifestyle has destroyed our health.
But it has the juice!
corn is so so bad for us now but god it sucks how good it is. also artificial sugars/sweeteners, i had to completely cut them out they were making me feel so so miserable
Wait why is corn bad for us??
I see those physically fit people don't eatđđ
As if you can actually tell how healthy one is by looking at them.
Skinny fat; https://www.health.com/condition/obesity/5-signs-you-might-be-skinny-fat
Some of us don't show that's all. Metabolism is higher or genetics. My cousin eats McDonald's nuggets and drinks lots of soda all the time. He eats junk and whatever be wants. Dude is a damn stick. Gains no weight.
Well yeah, fast food and processed sugars are in literally everything now.
Our food is poison and most adults in America canât read the nutritional info on their food.
They put a dummy's ingredient translation on my deodorant and it felt like the intro to Idiocracy
Every warning label is the result of one dumbass unfortunately đ.
What deodorant? I want to see this lmao. âAluminimum sydrophosphate (makes you sweat less, bro)â
Makes you sweat less but leads to memory loss and dementia!
This!! Everyone should be avoiding any deodorant that has aluminium in it! It's literally poisoning your brain
Source?
Source: TrUsT mE bRo
Do you drink out of aluminum cans?
After you drink from an aluminium can do you turn them into a powder that you mix into a creamy substance that you spread on your skin?
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You win the dumbest fuckin comment on reddit today. Congrat.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_(skin)
Lmao
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citation needed
I don't even subscribe to any of the beliefs here, most of them are just "look at this negative effect of capitalism, oh well, better keep sucking off capitalism"
But as someone with an autoimmune disease, "normal" deodorants make me feel like absolute shit every time. The fragrances and heavy metals alone are objectively awful for your health, and largely unregulated/unstudied. And that's just scratching the surface. I use a natural deodorant with baking soda and it does the job just as good, if not better.
the fragrances and heavy metals alone are objectively awful for your health
citation needed.
The problem with fragrance is that pretty much anything can be included as âfragranceâ and it doesnât need to be listed - https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/expert-panel-confirms-fragrance-ingredient-can-cause-cancer (sorry not a scientific source but Iâm short on time and thatâs a good starting point)
Plenty of information widely available on this. Do some searching on aluminum toxicity and aluminum poisoning. Then do more research on how and where aluminum pollutants can gain access to your body and youâll realize itâs a far greater issue than you know.
It would help if you were to point in the right direction - searching for it on the internet results in hundreds of scientific studies finding no correlation.
I'm noticing a great lack of citations in your response
Hereâs a good place to start:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19568732/
But this is only a small piece of the puzzle. There are a lot of resources related to the above link that provide other evidence in context of my claim. But I would also encourage to look at other sources and studies as well.
That is a great place to start, thanks for sharing
With that said, my understanding is that the aluminum in deodorant is a salt of aluminum, and thus does not have the same chemical properties as regular aluminum. The study you linked to is specifically referring to aluminum, not the aluminum salts found in deodorants, and it does not mention anything about deodorant.
My deodorant sitting on my desk has aluminum zirconium trichlorohydrex
I'll admit that I have very little chemistry background and know nothing about the above, but a quick Google search for the active ingredient in my deodorant produced the link above
More reading, if you're interested
TL;DR: This is a misconception, and this is why I pressed for your source
Ackshully hardly any research if any has to be done to put newly created chemicals in products. Watch the movie Dark Waters. The data for this is very limited, and dementia takes many years to develop. The limited data did say it gives rats cancer at high doses, but is âunlikelyâ to cause cancer in humans. Im sure that does not however take into account how different (and fucked up) all our genes are. Thereâs a good study on aluminum possibly being linked to a protein folding in the brain as well I believe. The point Iâm trying to make is we have a very limited understanding of that specific aluminum you linked, and thereâs a lot more money in finding the results you want than chasing conspiracies.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C23&q=aluminum+salts+dementia&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1663487882801&u=%23p%3Dp0oLB8B1KvAJ
Alzheimer's disease is a progressive degenerative brain disease of unknown etiology, characterized by the development of large numbers of neurofibrillary tangles and senile plaques in the brain. Aluminum salts may be used experimentally to produce lesions which are similar, but not identical, to the neurofibrillary tangle
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C23&q=aluminum+salts+dementia&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1663487882801&u=%23p%3Dp0oLB8B1KvAJ
I looked at the first several links in the search results there. The majority of the studies are extremely old and only talk about a correlational relationship, which is essentially saying "aluminum could be the cause, but it's hard to say until more research is done".
Reading more contemporary information, no causal link has been found. Until that happens, people should stop fear mongering
This is the issue that I take with this subreddit: people start with a conclusion and search for evidence until they find studies and articles that agree with them. They don't take the validity of/how contemporary the articles are into account and will just point to a single, vague study that seems to back up their viewpoint, and stop there. The most egregious example of this is the "vaccines cause autism" nonsense
The default position should be that you admit that you don't know, and you work from a place of unknowing, seeing what information is out there and keeping an open mind to whatever is if you find, taking all evidence into account, not just the evidence that agrees with your claim. When I heard people making the same claims about deodorants years ago, I poked around and found the same information I'm finding now, all pointing to the same thing: this all started as a rumor on the internet, people found a couple studies done decades ago that hinted at a link, but then nothing further was found. And since then, people have continued to insist that aluminum is causing dementia and breast cancer despite there being no further evidence that that's the case
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8028870/
Debunk that shill
Accusative name calling means an end to the conversation
This is the issue that I take with this subreddit: people start with a conclusion and search for evidence until they find studies and articles that agree with them. They don't take the validity of/how contemporary the articles are into account and will just point to a single, vague study that seems to back up their viewpoint, and stop there.
The default position should be that you admit that you don't know, and you work from a place of unknowing, seeing what information is out there and keeping an open mind to whatever is if you find, taking all evidence into account, not just the evidence that agrees with your claim.
Here's a great summary of the current science:
https://journals.lww.com/joem/fulltext/2014/05001/is_the_aluminum_hypothesis_dead_.11.aspx
Calling me a shill means I'm not going to continue engaging with you
High Al absorption may someday be recognized as a risk factor for AD. Humans usually are exposed to Al neurotoxicity either through the skin or through food additives. For this reason, it is crucial to do more research on the bioâavailability of this metal and its effectiveness in crossing the gastrointestinal and the blood brain barriers, which could show prime cellular changes in the pathogenesis of AD.
The plaque theory has recently been debunked. All of it faked. Most recently it's believed to be caused from insulin resistance.
Cut them sugars out, they will kill you far before any deodorant will.
What plaque theory? Debunk this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8028870/
He said do your own research bro, what more do you want?
You expect it to be easier for him since he apparently already saw the study with relevant information so it would be quick to share? Nah...
I get so tired of the âif you wonât do my research for me I must be rightâ logic
You'll notice I didn't make a claim - I only asked for the source of information the person making the claim found their information from. "Just Google it" isn't a citation and doesn't help your argument
The NIH link above is the kind of thing I was looking for
âIâm noticing a great lack of citationsâ like this is a fuckin academic discussion board or essay fuck outta here
Yeah I didn't realize this was the conspiracy subreddit. Y'all are a bunch of highly-opinionated, low-information "experts" aren't you? When someone comes in asking how you came to your conclusion, they just want to know what process you used to reach your frame of mind. It's not hostility - that's how ideas are exchanged.
Iâm not sure what the average user is like anymore but in my experience the main characteristics tend to be open minded and evidence/data driven. Say something false and youâll probably get proven wrong with a good link. Say something factual and people usually ask for source, then itâs about 50% you get a link, 25% they say DYOR, 25% the link they provide is bullshit or they canât get one (thereâs been several times Iâve argued with people in various subs and theyâre sooo positive theyâre right I have to link an article and give them a quote, at which point they stop replying
The desire to go out and learn is great, the trouble I have with conspiracy types is their lack of realization that they are so incredibly far from being experts and that they do, in fact, make mistakes as they go about finding knowledge.
The internet is not structured in a way that allows people to find reliable information easily, and social media has compounded that issue significantly - reddit included. People need to learn how to research and what makes a compelling argument/successful attempt at researching a topic. A rumor you hear on a social media post, likely founded on misconceptions, is not a valid starting point for research
Just as an example, the person I replied to above made a claim about aluminum in deodorant. I was curious where they read that deodorants were harmful, and they wouldn't produce their source when asked for one. The fact that they didn't at least have an article or something on hand made me immediately start to wonder if they were just going by claims they heard other people make on the internet
When they did finally produce an article related to their claim, I was able to point out that they made a mistake in their understanding of the subject
Now, whether or not that user actually takes the time to admit that they were wrong is up to them. I find that conspiratorially-minded people often double down on their beliefs when they're corrected
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I did some research and found out that the sun is very hot, but I wont share my sources on that with you unless you pay me. I dont give away free research I had to spend my free time for, just to satisfy some random lazy fucks on the internet who think they are right if you dont disprove their opinion.
So there isnât any, got it
but then we will know and then , by your statement, it will get worse the more we learn, so by not knowing anything it still can be worse than we know without it being too bad.
Citation needed lmao you are the kind of dummy from Idiocracy OP was talking about. You dont think putting heavy metals on your largest organ might not be such a good idea?
https://www.webmd.com/breast-cancer/features/antiperspirant-facts-safety
Ahahah someone saying "no, thats wrong, those studies hold no merit" is your evidence?
Did not know this. Going to look into this as I donât usually sweat at all.
Yeah they use types of aluminum for its antiperspirant properties. If youâve been using Big Deodorant(tm) for years, when you quit and detox for a few weeks youâll probably stain a white shirt brown
Arm and hammer, the aluminum and phthalates free one. Hah
Thanks Iâll have to look next time Iâm in that aisle
I moved from Canada to the USA last year and seeing the ingredient translation and "do not recycle" labels on products were very amusing to me
Thatâs whatâs on the body wash I use. Is it from the brand Native?
No it was arm and hammer but I'm sure it's gained traction
Would you like some corn syrup with your corn slurry?
Plus, the food companies are subsidized in making unhealthy food, like the way the government overpays Iowa to produce corn, so that's why unhealthy corn syrup is in everything.
Also food companies are monopolies. Just look at how many things Nestle owns. You can't escape!
What's the point of reading nutritional label if it's also a scam.
I mean might as well give up on everything if you just refuse to trust what you read.
Caloric counts in food are pretty reliable.
I feel like our food isnât the only thing that is poisoning us.
Also more and more people are working 40+ hours a week at sedentary jobs which often, in the US at least, require long commutes via car.
So in addition to the declining quality of readily availble food, you have people with both limited time for exercise and limited time to plan and cook more balanced meals.
And little time to live, relax, be with friends and family. When I was a kid, people worked from 9-5, that was the standard. BUT, it was a 7 hour workday with a one hour lunch break. The 8 hours included a one hour lunch. Not sure how the corporate billionaires managed the change where people went from working 7 hours a day, and having a one hour break to eat lunch, AND made enough money to live comfortably and save up for a house, to an 8 hour workday that doesnât include lunch. This means people work more for the same salary/wages, have less time to eat and have a longer workday on top of now longer commutes and more traffic. Really, if anything, due to increased traffic these days the workday shouldâve been decreased not increased! And changing the system so that people have to work an extra hour day is really shitty. Especially because thereâs no real extra pay for that. Other countries Iâve visited and lived in, generally have a standard two hour lunch break in the middle of the day, where they can go home and eat with their families, or visit with friends, or take a nap and just relax. Itâs a different world outside of the US. Those countries are in Europe (France, Spain, and Mexico). When I tell people in those countries how it is in the US they are shocked and a bit horrified. Itâs unimaginable to them how it is in the US. When I lived in France, it was pretty standard that schools also had the same to our lunch break, so the kids actually went home and ate with their families and then went back to school afterwards. Itâs been a while so this may have changed.
Exactly this isnât a fucking conspiracy. Just a bunch of companies that made sugary shitty food that went on a marketing and lobbying tear to not get regulated
Sugary and shitty food tastes good, which makes people with poor inhibition eat them in excess.
I agree, this is not exactly a conspiracy.
Stop eating it lol
And some canât afford the latter. When I was really struggling, with the prices where I live, the healthier I shopped, the sooner my groceries and grocery money ran out. It was an awful cycle. People with their âI got all this healthy stuff for so few dollarsâ are not realizing one cannot live off of cucumbers and lettuce and a few peppers with children đ what an awful fucking cycle. The cheap mass produced shit should be priced more, it only makes sense if you want to keep the down where they are. I think more clearly in a day and care more with quality food. The cloud I lived in on that processed shit⌠very effective ploy, capitalism.
ETA: health problems also help out the gravy train. Medicine and treatment and accessibility devices are expensive.
I sympathize with this, but itâs not difficult to eat well cheaply. Rice, beans, pork, eggs, vegetables, etc. are all substantially cheaper than fast food or boxed ready made stuff.
We blessed enough that we donât have to worry about money that much but I will legit eat 4-5 eggs in the morning and be full until dinner.
Just eat things God grows in season. Itâs how weâre meant to eat.
Yes, completely agree.
You can cook many healthy meals that feed a family of 4 for less than $10.
That requires significantly more effort than just buying the cheap mass produced shit though, which I imagine is a contributing factor for people that choose that stuff. When people care less, theyâre going to put in less effort. Itâs certainly a cycle.
Well yeah, fast food and processed sugars are in literally everything now.
I'm going to throw another idea out there. Our portion sizes are huge. Fast food is portioned at 950-1300 calories/order. Lunch specials from your local wing place? 1300-1700 calories. Appetizer? 1900 calories. Local restaurant? Red robin? An entree might be over 2000 calories, maybe even pushing 2500 calories. 3500 calories by the time you add in a dessert.
If you are doing a 2000 or 2200 calorie diet and have a 1000 calorie dinner of pancakes, you've consumed your entire daily amount of sodium just in the pancake batter.
American eating habits are gnarly.
The conspiracy here is nothing more than capitalism
Thatâs a convenient excuse but itâs not why people are fat. It may contribute to it, in part, but at the end of the day, itâs up to the individual to decide to eat less if they donât want to be obese/overweight. Itâs about self control, and sadly, a lot of people lack it.
This is the same tactic they suggest for climate change. Do you actually think one individual recycling is going to make a global difference? Or that the consumer who is uneducated, are they going to be able to make healthy food choices for their young child or continue to feed them the same diet if they donât have the resources to educate themselves? Considering that obesity is something that we all pay for as a community, regardless if you have private or state funded insurance youâre paying for their healthcare costs⌠Why wouldnât this be an issue for the global community? When has leave it up to the individual ever worked for large scale global change?
I mean, if someone is unable to read some numbers and some small words on the back of a box, and then make informed decisions based on educated opinions giving them adviceâthey probably are negatively affecting society in more ways than just being overweight.
But yes, I agree. More effort should be put into educating people.
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If someone goes their entire childhood and young adult years without realizing or even having the slightest inkling that they need to eat healthy and moderately exercise to remain in shapeâthen there are other issues that are present than someone else being responsible for their poor decisions.
Your body your choice right?
Today's culture is the bigger culprit imo.
And computers
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I always read them, but the ingredients lists are printed in such small font it's really annoying having to wear reading glasses or use a magnifying glass just to see it.
You can look them up online too and zoom in.
you should have as little food that even has a label as possible. No label on the carrots.
Processed food products are literally about how much corn syrup can you cram in there and for it still to resemble some sort of food. Not from the US, but I watched those "extreme couponing" things a few times out of morbid curiosity. That stuff they are "buying" and filling their storerooms with for whatever reason - THAT'S NOT FOOD! It's all complete and utter crap!!
Wait, are you saying there's McDonalds in every bite of my Honey Nut Cheerios? Oh, the wonders of science. /s
The problem isn't that healthy food isn't available. The problem is that the unhealthy stuff is more available.
Also car centric cities and public healthcare
you could've stopped after "...can't read." lmao
and the fact that we donât walk anywhere anymoreďżź
The average American can only read at a 7-8th grade level.
You canât expect them to read those medium length words AND numbers.
Also the FDA considers pretty much everything that does not certainly kill you in less than 20 years "food".
They are corrupt as hell.
We could learn a lot by following Mexico's example. Their food has a black octagonal label for each type of unhealthy contents.
Dextrose added to McDonald french fries. (:
Everything that is 90% sugar is also advertised as healthy. Not really the problem of the people when corporations are allowed to blatantly lie.
People were in an uproar when they wanted to ban 2 litre fountain sofas in New York, America loves their sugar
Gut health is only getting worse because of chemicals, preservatives and sugars added to most food. Gut health is responsible for obesity, diabetes, cancers and even the rate at which you age. It's only getting worse. Eat your vegetables and stay away from sugar and chemicals (pesticides and preservatives).
Gut health is also tied into mental health
Totally. I could have made an endless list. It is tied into everything.
Small steps but Iâve just started acknowledging this and have been taking probiotics 3X day. Canada though, so USA-lite - but I think we still allow far less into our domestically sourced food.
Iâm nuts and all I eat is crap. I think I have IBS. I hate cooking. I refuse to, but maybe I should learn.
Why donât you like cooking? Iâd guess you enjoy eating food.
Cooking by myself makes me feel lonely.
I find it difficult cooking for 1 now but Iâve embraced making bigger meals and freezing the extra. Out of a month I really only have to cook for a week and get some good variety. I like to eat good food so I see it as a challenge each time to make it better. I also feel lonely but a good meal helps me feel better
I think a big part of being an adult is feeling lonely ngl... I feel lonely a lot too but that's no reason to neglect your health
Thanks, Obama's Gay Nephew.
You're welcome babybuttersđ
Invite some friends over once a week or so and make a whole lot of food so there will be leftovers and put some in your freezer/frig to eat on all week.
More friends. More good food. More healthy gut bacteria.
Make the party a potluck if that seems overwhelming.
Hereâs an interesting study about how preservatives alter the gut microbiome and can lead to dysbiosis
This is really what I meant for chemicals. Preservatives and pesticides.
Make sure you wash those vegetables..
SCRUB those vegetables
The pesticides and chemicals are rain proof and donât ever really wash or cook off. Sadly organic is really the only way to go if you live in the US.
Europe has a fraction the number of approved chemicals they allow to have sprayed onto crops.
Organic farming still uses pesticides
Used to test export grade fruit for pesticides, some of the worst fails were organic orchards.
Yeah ironically GMOs can be more pest resistant based on genetic makeup and can require less pesticides than non GMO organic.
GMOs have their own problems mainly with them being proprietary but they are not bad just because they are GMOs.
Yeah neem oil is one very popular natural pesticide in cannabis production but it tastes like ass on anything you try to eat that was grown with it.
This is one of the reasons I'm looking into setting up my own aquaponics system. Growing some small amount of food fertilized only by my fish is likely the best small scale indoor solution.
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Organic farming cuts out herbicides, but typically (at least in macro organic farming) they have to use more pesticides. GMOs usually don't need as much because they have resistances built up through progeny.
I just use my dishwasher
Brilliant!
With filtered water..seriously y'all, even my mom knew; the water (at least in America) is full of synthetic fluoride and who knows what else
Well the fluoridated, shit tainted tap water is probably better than the major pesticide and produce preservatives sprayed on it tbh.
Better to peel them, it is almost impossible to wash them off as pesticides are designed to be waterproof.
99.99% of the pesticides are inside the plant itself. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.87.19.7777
Iâm not even sure sugar is the culprit, but more all the sugar substitutes like hfcs and dextrose, and sedentary lifestyles. Our grandparents and great grandparents ate a good amount of sugar, and so do the Amish and they are very healthy. Maybe Iâm wrong. I just try to cook everything from scratch and walk around a lot!
Sugar feeds candida fungus in your guts and makes it too abundant causing auto-immune diseases
Ok, but like I said people have been eating sugar for centuries. So why does it seem like itâs now all of a sudden a problem?
I'm going to guess that they weren't eating nearly as much sugar as we do today.
try eating the amount of sugar in a bottle of coke, no thanks
I highly recommend the book "The Case Against Sugar" if you are interested. It's a fascinating book that really digs through the history of sugar and the timeline of it's proliferation. While humans may have been eating refined sugars for centuries, the amounts exploded as the 20th century progressed and rare diseases became common in lock step.
And we drive everywhere because of suburbs.
ive always found it interesting how as a country industrialises and becomes more westernised the prevalence of inflammatory bowel disease cases rises year on year until they eventually level out with the increase in population.
for example in the UK cases of IBD rose 33% from 2006 to 2016. since there is still no real known cause for IBDs (aside from genetics which doesn't correlate with modern increase in incidence) it's evident that the modern diet of shitty artifical processed foods has a massive impact on the chance of getting an IBD
vegetables? if they are not organic you are making things worse. res meat is way better
Not to mention rampant use of antibiotics
Vegetables are saturated with chemicals.
Actually, they have no idea what gut health actually means outcome wise. They have some ideas but no research has shown clearly whatâs going on in our gut. However, there are great researches currently looking into this topic, I would guess weâll have a better understanding in the next 5 years
This isnât really true. People just eat way too much. Itâs all about calories.
What would you say if I told you all foods were made up of chemical compounds?
Here's a video my grandpa filmed at the Russian River in the 1950's when he owned the Rio Nido Resort. Notice how fat everyone is. Man I wished I lived in those days. Everyone looks like they are having so much fun without technology. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmS7L_lKYHQ
Everyone is very fit and attractive
Guerneville and Rio Nido are my favorite places. Thanks for sharing this.
The Food Pyramid is one of the biggest scams ever created and pushed on a population.
Thereâs a quote Iâll always remember
âThe food pyramid was created to kill us slowlyâ
It was not established based on science, it was established based on who could lobby best.
Big Sugar
Big wheat.
Probably just a coincidence that the most famous pyramids were built to be tombs.
Kellogg's putting their bowl of sugar in the carbs category... Technically true but very misleading as it's always been portrait as healthy
All carbs are bad for you, the unhealthiest part of the pyramid. Thatâs both grains and sugars. 11 servings of grains a day when I was a kid in the 90s. Sure, âhealthyâ.
Exactly. Out of the three macronutrients only carbs are non essential. You can not survive without protein or fat, carbs are only a "survival food" through transformation to fat within the body and that does not last all too long if you dont have enough protein either.
The reason we crave carbs so much is because animals never know when their next meal will be so they just store the carbs as fat in the body as an insurance.
Modern humans need ZERO carbs in their whole life. Antioxidants and fibre are a different topic, but your body can produce glycogen and glycose on its own with both fat and protein.
Absolutely correct.
Yup, to your pancreas and cells a carbohydrate is a carbohydrate does not matter of it came from sugar or bread or rice
The Food Pyramid has been discarded, now the recommendation is MyPlate.
Itâs still a lobbying tool-especially dairy, you donât need it- but itâs more balanced now.
Not like most schools actually follow the recommendations.
My Plate is still terrible. Protein/Veggies/Natural Fats (like butter, heavy cream, cheese, non-pasteurized things) need to comprise the vast majority of your diet, not 1/4 apiece with dairy on the side. Grains are terrible for your diet.
We say that, but many of the longest-lived societies are heavy rice consumers (japan, hong kong, singapore). And that includes agglutinated rice (Japan). To say âgrains badâ obscures the simple truth that thereâs too many calories (available through grains) and too much sugar in the American food supply.
I agree that grains arenât necessary and that theyâre calorie-dense. But the calories are the real problem here.
Those countries have major cardiovascular problems consistently. Itâs a primary health issue.
Calories arenât necessarily the issue either. Iâve been on keto for almost a year, and without worrying about calories at all I have consistently lost and maintained my current weight, in the green for all health parameters (BMI, fat content, water content, muscle mass, etc).
â At the country level, age-standardized mortality rates for total cardiovascular disease were highest in Uzbekistan, Solomon Islands, and Tajikistan and were lowest in France, Peru, and Japan.â
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109720377755
wheat (france) and rice (japan) are staples in two. in peru, wheat and quinoa are common parts of the diet.
also of note, central asia fares extremely poorly despite their low-grain, high fat, high protein, high dairy diet, probably because of the high prevalence of smoking, pollution, alcoholism, and poverty. East Asia (south korea, thailand, vietnam, laos) fares very well.
you donât generally have to worry about calories in keto for a variety of reasons (satiety, gluconeogenesis, overall calorie reduction). But if you were to take in more calories on a keto diet, you would still gain weight.
Would we all be healthier with a no-grain diet? Sure. Cutting out any calorie-dense food will improve health when other food is readily available. But âgrains are harmfulâ is overly reductive.
There are many other factors for mortality rates. Notice I didnât say people are dying from cardiovascular issues in the Asian counties you mentioned, but they also have a tremendously different healthcare system with a very different culture and medications. But the rates of cardiovascular diseases are high in every grain staple country.
nowhere lower than france and japanâŚboth countries with a staple grain.
while weâre in the subject, hereâs a meta-analysis that suggests that the keto diet may increase the risk of cardiovascular disease over a regular diet. keep in mind dietary studies of any kind- about grains, keto, or anything else, are notoriously hard to conduct, as you said. But at the very least, thereâs no clear association between keto and a reduced heart risk.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2021.702802/full#h1
again, not saying grains are healthy. but are grains specifically a risk factor for cardiovascular disease, as you suggest?
You don't cite any sources
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jat/advpub/0/advpub_6866/_pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1060592/pdf/jepicomh00218-0028.pdf
Thatâs because they had it upside down.
âTell him⌠to have some steak with his butter.â
I've heard this too and often repeated it myself.
However, though this post's photos were taken prior to the food pyramid's creation (1992) , the recommended North American diet was still dairy, grains, vegetable, fruits, meat, fish and poultry.
I think something else is at work (ex: whole body inflamation, etc).
Maybe we should bring back smoking?
I honestly miss the days when everyone was a smoker. People were so chilled out!
The 1970s is when an emphasis on grains and corn syrup became the focus of meals and home cooking. Itâs only escalated from there. Meat proteins, veggies, and non-pasteurized dairy is all you need to eat on the regular to stay healthy and have your body self-regulate everything from weight to hormones.
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đ Whatâs wrong with spaghetti?
Heart Disease: guaranteed.
Does spaghetti really cause heart disease?
from webmd - Rice, bread, pasta, and snacks made from white flour are missing their healthy fiber, vitamins, and minerals. Refined grains quickly convert to sugar, which your body stores as fat. A diet high in refined grains can cause belly fat, which studies link to heart disease and type 2 diabetes
What kind of rice, bread, & pasta are safe to eat then? Also which brands? I never knew any of this.
Edit: Way to downvote me instead of guiding me to the healthy options.
As always, the government causing more trouble than it tries to fix.
The more problems they make the more dependence they get from us.
The big scam that gullible people gobble up.
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Question all authority.
I suppose it could be argued that while yes, the individual components of the pizza are healthy, the portions of them are not. Like, cheese in small amounts is a-okay, but pizza has a fuck ton of it, which isn't fine.
Small amounts of pretty much anything is fine, but the portion sizes in the US are just nuts. Not to mention the added sugar in absolutely everything.
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Okay that's way different from what we were taught in Finland for it in late 90s and early 00s. Like, 2 glasses of milk, 2-4 slices of bread, a whole lot of water and about half of all meals should be vegetables.
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I actually cut out sugar from everything, bread, cereal, sauces and I lost weight like crazy - it was weird because I was still eating a lot. I started eating pizza without sugar and carried on losing weight it was wild. I went back to eating sugar tho cause its so difficult to avoid it especially through covid đ
Ditch the crust and pizza is fine.
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Your second grade teacher would be wrong.
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Don't let people like this waste your time. Better off ignoring them and making no response.
Reject food Pyramid, embrace food rainbow
Now, if you'll excuse me I'm off to find and eat some purple food
What is a food pyramid?
I'm not sure when it was started, but when I was a kid we were taught the food pyramid which was totally backwards. The bottom of the pyramid was carbs and the top was meat/protein. This represented that you should eat a lot of carbs and small portions of meat which is wrong. Carbs are for quick hits of energy but will be converted to fat if not used. If you lower your carb intake, your body will start processing fat for energy instead which causes you to lose weight.
I don't think the pyramid is completely to blame but is a piece of the puzzle. The reality is that we need to be more honest with ourselves in terms of personal appearance. First and foremost you need to worry about yourself and not about others. If someone else wants to be fat, who cares?
Itâs not so much that people want to be fat these days than itâs they have no choice. They have been conditioned to accept grains as the standard, food loaded with carbs to be âhealthyâ. Itâs not their fault in almost every case for gaining weight: carbs induce craving because of the speed at which our body goes through the nutrients, meaning our body needs more. Itâs a psychological issue that has been subtly programmed into everyone who grew up with the food pyramid.
have no choice
If someone is strapped to a chair and force fed, then they have no choice. Ignorance to learn how the body works and what your nutrition requirements are on a daily basis is your fault. This is talking about adults of course. Childhood obesity is a parenting problem which is a completely different issue. If you're an abled-body adult, you have no excuse.
The 4 food groups was even more of a joke. Dairy? A essential food group unto its own?
Proteins/Veggies/dairy (non pasteurized) is all you need to live healthy. Fruits as a category and grains/solo sugars are not good for you.
Dairy isnât good for you.
Non-pasteurized non-sugar dairy is most certainly good for you if you donât eat grains and other sugars.
I mean, fruit has plenty of fiber to slow the absorption of sugar and they have vitamins as well so like w many foods including dairy, itâs a trade off. Dairy slows the absorption of nutrients in the gut and can cause allergies and acne but also has protein and calcium.
When i came to US i gained 20 kg. I was a skinny 20yr old btw before. After I left US the first month i lost 10. Just eating normal home cooked food in Europe. Most interestingly, I deflated. Thatâs what everyone says. Smth in US food makes ppl mushroom, explode.
I gained 8 kg between august and Christmas the year I was 17, going to boarding school in the midwest, all meals provided and vending machines in the dorm, never walking anywhere. Lost 6 of those kg coming home to Norway for Christmas break, eating holiday food and walking about town a bit with my friends. It was crazy.
I worked with Germans who would come here for like 6m-1y. They would always tell the new Germans not to eat the bread. You get so fat on US breads. They would say their bread used a different kind of wheat, never got the name of it. But some of their wives would bring suitcases with flour, so they were serious.
I'm german and I once tried imported US bread when I was in Berlin. Your bread tastes like our cake, and that is not an exaggeration. It is so soft, has zero crust, and is SO sweet.
Your ham is sweet, too, as is your cheese. Its so odd.
Way more sugar in US non homemade bread. My wife makes quite a bit of homemade bread that is more like your bread. Hard crust, less soft, delicious.
The toast bread in Germany tastes the same as sliced bread in the US unless someone gave you King's Hawaiian or Wonder Bread. I assume it wasn't like a fresh baked roll or baguette, because that wouldn't be very good if it was imported to Berlin.
Germany has a wonderful bread culture that I love, but I hate always hearing the same thing about US bread when you know that Germans use the same sliced bread for easy sandwiches and toast. Americans also don't have the culture of fresh bread in the morning and bread again in the evening.
Cheese in the US is not sweet. In fact I have had a hard time finding anything extra sharp in Germany.
As an American I just wanted to tell you that not all of us like average American food. I like a heavy, hard-crusted bread, dark chocolate rather rather than milk chocolate, aged cheese, real cream in my dark roasted coffee, etc. And for beer: I'm not a fan of anything clear and yellow.
Arenât US breads legally cake because of the extreme amount of sugar in them?
I moved to Germany and got fat on German bread...gained 50 pounds when I left the US and have spent the last year and a half trying to lose the weight. I think sometimes people just gain weight when they move to another country and look for their comfort foods.
But yes, Germans are serious about all their different kinds of flour!
SUGAR.
i really don't understand what the mystery is. it's literally sugar. The only conspiracy here is that decades ago the sugar industry started a global campaign to paint fat as the bad guy. Now only in the last few years are organizations finally coming to the conclusion that fat does not make you as fat as previously thought and sugar is the culprit. Years of 'studies' paid for by the sugar industry has not only made people fat but misinformed.
here ya go:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/well/eat/how-the-sugar-industry-shifted-blame-to-fat.html
Edit: start looking for sugar in all the stuff you wouldn't normally look for sugar in. if you buy just normal store shelf bread you're going to likely have sugar loaded bread. lik 90% of our food has sugar in it, so you get enough of it for your daily needs from that, then if you say have a Coke, you're going to blow way fucking past what you needed for the day.
I check every packaged food item I buy for sugar content, it is WILD how much of it is in everything. Especially things you assume are healthy or not designed to be sweet (looking at you granola/snack bars). I love dessert, so I try to be very intentional with my sugar consumption otherwise
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Thanks, i was confused what is being discussed here
Sugar AND vegetable/seed oil
high fructose corn syrup
I see what you did there
Yep, you HAVE to cook for yourself. Too many Americans let themselves fall into the convenience of take out / fast food / etc.
I really try to be conscious of sugar intake as well. I drink maybe one sugary drink per week (mixed with alcohol lol)
No one is gonna help you but yourself, and hopefully you can pair yourself up with like-minded individuals to be and stay healthy.
Yeah they use too much food, not a particular ingredient. Look at how much cheese, oil and condiments alone they add to foods, those have a fuck load of calories
When I think about the possibility of moving out of the US, this is always my #1 reason by far for wanting to do it.
How many cigs did you smoke once you got back?
None. I started smoking in Asia which was 6 yrs after
Along side food, you should see PE in schools now. Looking back at actual physical exercise when the presidential fitness exam was mandated, it's night and day.
Schools are afraid of lawsuits so everything got nerfed and"inclusiveness" means day kids can play hacky sack instead.
I was the fat kid with the hacky sack and I hate that I was allowed to do that, looking back now.
It used to be expensive to be fat
I am 33 and we had only 1 fat kid in school class in 90sâŚ. And he was not even that fat really. Now I am one of the most fat people at my work. I am 190cm tall and 130kg all around. Not just belly :p But I am just lazy so I know why I am fat. Poland btw
At 190cm and 130kg you wouldn't be thought of as fat in US even though healthy is like 80-90kg probably
Lazy in terms of eating?
Excercise. I only occasionally ride a bicycle. Thankfully I walk a bit in my work
Food and Drug Administration ? Talk about an agency that is asleep at the wheel. Crap food. Drugs that do more harm than good. We are literally eating and medicating ourselves to death. I mean, this is the same agency that allows a can full of oil that is 100% fat to claim there are 0 calories in a serving. Donât get me going on the body shaming part of this either
There's quite a few reasons boiled down to two big ones.
More sedentary lifestyle in both work and recreation.
Obvious changes to both food quality and consumption habits.
People having to work 10 hours a day and not having time to make proper meals is a factor imo.
Wages that can support one partner at home, who is able to cook healthy meals and do grocery shopping for fresh food, among much else.
I actually just left a job that was 10hr days. I'm still a little over weight
Americans worked a lot longer than 10 hours a day years ago. Late 1800âs a father and his preteen son would work 14 hours a day 6 days a week in a coal mine. early 1900âs young kids worked 12 hours a day shucking oysters.
Edit Hereâs a link https://short-facts.com/how-long-was-a-typical-work-week-in-the-late-1800s/
But now we're sitting at desks 10 hours a day, and usually another hour of sitting on top of that for the commute. Very different.
Type of work is a huge change too. Back in the 1800s sitting at a desk all day in front of a computer wasnât a thing. Now it compromises the majority of time in a huge swath of sectors.
There is a big difference. We are talking about mid-late 1900âs.
What a fucking poor excuse
This
My mom works 9 hours, my dad and me 13. We never eat outside food and we all are fit.
But are you all working together?
Nope we work in different workplaces
No sorry I meant working together as a cooperative family unit if that makes sense
Oh yeah apparently we all work together(mom and dad together ofc, I'm but old enough to go on my own)
Sounds like you're a functional family unit that can work together to make sure everyone eats home made normal decent food and a lot of people can't imagine what that's like sadly
Oooh i get it
Yes while I think good quality and consumption habits have changed, like less âfreshâ meals made at home, more instant type foods, or more fast food type foods, etc.
I think the bigger factor though is that people are spending less hours annually each year working. Which means they have more free time.
And as TV and computers became cheaper, more widespread, and the invention of cellphones and social media, people are spending less time outside doing active things. And instead are spending more time watching tv and spending more time on digital media.
Less working hours, more free time, less active lifestyle, plus the âfast, instantâ food, equals more obesity.
And not to mention the other problems it no doubt contributes to. Stuff like mental health, such as more US teens are experiencing depression (I really donât think social media is helping that one at all!)
Everything is built for cars. Weâre literally the society in Wall E. Most people get no exercise any given day.
Diet pills can't be meth anymore either
Also, obesity has epigenetic markers that have heritable influence. Fat parents literally breed fat children.
Read "Obesity Code" the cause is the extra preservatives in our food and the extra processing.
This is the kind of evil that people so easily overlook. The kind that kills millions over time. The kind that absolutely destroys quality of life over time.
And yet here we are, grocery shelves stocked with "healthy" frosted cereals, potato chips, and all sorts of poisons.
Also why if you pop open a yearbook from years ago there were so many handsome and pretty people. They ate better food, exercised more, and weren't glued to their phones.
Our way of life these days creates obesity. It takes a lot of extra work, but you can overcome it.
Fat kids and adults used to get bullied so bad. No reason not to be now.
Better - seen a fat 11yo girl was calling names a slim 11yo girl. The fat one assumed she is normal because most of her classmates are, and the slim girl is the minority so must be bullied for being different.
Idiocracy
People also consumed less sugar at that time
Looking through the dads year book is insane. The older generations are significantly more attractive than mine
lol how many years ago? Because in the 80s we still ate junk food and most people didn't exercise.
Fast Food, Sugar, Sweets, Candy, TV, PC, Life Style all plays a role in this issue!
Yes. Can we PLEASE talk about how it should be unacceptable for food to be manufactured the way it is in the US? It's a fucking crime against humanity at this point.
I used to think that North Americans were just lazy and lacking culture in regards to food. But well, after living in some third/second world countries, I now believe that the food supply in countries like US is tainted with something that generates constant hunger and therefore drives consumers to purchase more food. I just want to eat and eat and eat, whereas in Europe or Asia, I never experience this. Same exact type of food too, nothing significantly better. The weight loss is dramatic too. Anyone have an idea of what could be driving this?
Crazy you mention this. I lived in China in 2012-2013 and I lost so much weight. Eating how I normally would in America. Occasionally subway, McDonaldâs, and Pizza Hut (which is totally different there than here) I also walked more because Shanghai is a very walkable city with transportation. I came back to the states and gained literally everything and plus back. There is something in our foodâŚ..
I think it's cars. I think that the passive calories from walking in the morning and taking the train also increases your basal metabolic rate throughout the day.
I think we'd notice if there were cars in our food
Sugar.
High Fructose Corn Syrup.
Yep. Sugar.
I'm banned, but HFCs are way worse than sugar.
No it isn't. HFCS is 40-60% fructose, and cane sugar (sucrose) is 50% fructose. You're being deluded by the scary name. Mexicans drinking cane sugar in their Coke are not better off than Americans drinking HFCS in theirs. (Mexico has a higher obesity rate, in fact.)
Excessive sugar is absolutely terrible for you regardless of source. Excess fructose is particularly bad regardless of source. (And the reason whole fruit tends to be less bad than other sugary things is thought to be due to the fiber slowing down digestion, spreading out the impact. We still shouldn't have bred fruits to be so much more sugary than in the past, though.)
This is even one of several dietary tricks you can use. increase fiber intake alongside sugar and you decrease how quickly it spikes your blood glucose.
Increased fat and protein can also slow down this absorption. But fiber has other health benefits as well...
HFCS is sugar.
Itâs not refined cane sugar. Itâs not what we call âwhiteâ sugar or âtableâ sugar. But itâs sugar.
It's a mixture of glucose & fructose. Natural fructose has a chemical bond your body can chose to not break, which let's it get stored and the uptake regulated. That bond doesn't exist in HFCS so your body can't regulate the release of sugar. As a result a little gets used immediately and a lot gets stored as fat and high blood sugar.
Essentially your body can regulate real, whole, natural fructose but not HFCS. It's really bad for people but it's used in EVERYTHING in the US.
Fructose is a sugar.
It's about how the body digests them though homie. HFCs are a sugar bomb, sugar is just bad for you.
The body can process sugars. In fact, we need them. The issue is in the amount. Excessive sugars get stored as fat.
Anything consumed in excess (at a caloric surplus) gets stored as fat, not just sugar. A calorie is a calorie whether itâs from a sugary soda, a piece of fruit, or a glass of milk.
Those calories come with different hormonal and metabolic reactions within the body depending on the food type.
Calories are also a really poor way to measure energy balance. A calorie is a measurement of heat energy gathered in a bomb calorimeter. Humans do not combust food. We rely on a complex chemical reaction.
Fair, I should have said too much sugar is bad. There's almost no safe amount of HFCs though, your body loves the fructose bomb.
Sugar and HFCs have the same amount of calories per volume. The difference is high fructose corn syrup is hella cheap so they just put it in everything.
I agree, it's a real problem.
Your body doesn't need sugar. It needs glucose.
Glucose is also commonly referred to as blood sugar.
Well it is not necessary
Sugar is bad in general because the liver processes sugar the same way it does alcohol. This should tell anyone all they need to know.
cant believe glucose is turned into acetaldehyde by alcohol dehydrogenase
Not exactly, sugar (sucrose) is 50% fructose and 50% glucose.
Fructose is very dangerous and unhealthy sugar that causes diarrhea and insulin resistance if consumed in large amounts.
Sucrose and glucose are not the same as HFCS
Sucrose is table sugar, which is a disaccharide of glucose and fructose. HFCS has a slightly higher percentage of fructose floating around in it.
It's not naturally occurring is the key point
Corn syrup is mostly glucose.
High fructose corn syrup is still mostly glucose, but with a higher percentage of fructose than normal corn syrup. But still mostly glucose.
It's literally, chemically the same.
go take orgo 1 and 2 then get back to me
Funny, I've taken orgo.
Which type of sugar are you blaming? Sucrose, fructose (fruit), lactose (dairy), or glucose? A lot of sugars are naturally occurring in healthy foods. Itâs impossible to avoid all sugars while maintaining a healthy/balanced diet. I see this argument a lot and nobody ever substantiates their claims, itâs just âsugar is bad and corn syrup is worseâ. Anything can be âbadâ in excess which is why eating a caloric surplus makes you fat/overweight/obese regardless of what you eat.
I suffer from gout - sugar? No problem. HFCS - canât walk for a week. Thereâs a BIG difference chemically in how it is broke down in the body
And coincidentally high fructose corn syrup was introduced in the 70s.
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Nothing, it just means that we can eat more of it.
Ding ding ding!!!!
This.
Calories from beverages are the single largest cause of obesity in the US, not food. When I was a kid, convenience stores had a single cooler for sodas. Now there's 30 feet of shelving with sodas, sweet tea, juice drinks. What used to be a large soda at a fast food place is now a medium.
sugar, salt, and fat in the right mixture stimulate an engorgement response in the brain that suppresses feelings of satiety.
The replies under this comment in my opinion demonstrate why it has been so hard to make meaningful change around sugar consumption. Industry hides under the fact that sugar is "natural", sometimes because they extract it from corn, or it comes in the form of "concentrated fruit juice" or whatever they come up with to make it sound not-sugar like.
Unfortunately it is hard, really unrealistic, to educate the public at large on how different carbohydrates like fructose and glucose are metabolised in the body, and why overconsumption of some may lead to unwanted consequences. This is one of the many things wrong with our system, companies aim to maximise their profits and they recognised long ago that sugar is addictive, so they push legislation to allow and even promote its consumption without any regulatory oversight.
I moved to Australia for a year for school from the US and I lost like 30lbs unintentionally
Sugar. Corn syrup. Vegetable and seed oils. I got fat at 30. Got to 245 lbs. I started doing carnivore diet cus I couldnât get weight off despite going to gym 3-4 times a week. Iâm at 180 lbs now 7 months later and most muscle Iâve ever had, only changed diet. I noticed once I was detoxed from carbs and sugar you just arenât hungry anymore
Noticed this too, got laid off at work and spent 6 months doing nothing, was around 285-300 (donât actually know) currently around 215 just from cutting out sugar. Took a âdietâ break when my friends were home over the summer, put 10lbs back on in the span of 6 weeks because I was always starving because I was snacking on candy and shit. Cut the sugar out again and down about 5lbs since without changing much of my diet, Iâm just eating substantially less because Iâm not hungry 24/7
Carnivore diet?! That Thing? So you just eat steaks and donât eat sweets? What about grease? Sounds like cholesterol problem
High Cholesterol vs inflammation is another conspiracy about the lies of nutrition to scare people and get us on the current obese diet Iâd like to see here one day
What are you implying? People downvote me but I legit donât know anything about this. Would like to loose some weightâŚ
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Why is it then vegetarians are typically shown to have longer life expediencies.
Longer life compared to people eating carbs, sugar, processed foods, vegetable oils. Iâd argue meat eaters that live on saturated fats will live longer than vegetarians.
This doesn't work for iniuit tribes that live primarily on meat, they have very low life expectancy.
Japanese and italians are known for long life expectancy, and they are mostly carbs, vegetable, and some seafood.
I know this sub is all about red meat and manliness. And the elites are trying to make us eat bugs and grass. But I haven't seen any studies showing that eating bacon and steak every meal lets you live to 100
You don't have to go full carnivore, just remove sugar and simple carbs from your diet.
Also increase fiber intake.
In fact, just increasing fiber alone should drop your cholesterol, even without any other changes to your diet.
Thereâs 2 cholesterol levels. One is good being high. It will fight inflammation. Limiting carbs and sugar will prolly get you to lose 10 lbs of water weight in like 2 weeks. But back to topic, eating healthy fats and meats and the conspiracy of high cholesterol being bad, inflammation, seed oils, vegetable oils, vegetables being a cause of inflammation, ect. I find it fascinating after living the changes
Check out WhatILearned on YouTube. He does a great job debunking dietary misinformation.
Exercise never leads to weight loss. It's always diet. Nothing insightful here.
Exercise (specifically cardio) is a key part of maintaining overall health, preventing obesity, and losing weight if desired.
Exercise alone often leads to increased obesity. People vastly overestimate calories burned. "I ran a mile, I need this 1,200kcal protein shake to refuel!" after only burning 350kcals on their run.
Weight is lost in the kitchen not in the gym.
Do you have a source for "Exercise often leads to obesity"? That's quite a claim.
People are terrible at estimating calories in/out and often over estimate calories our while underestimating calories in.
Exercise doesn't increase obesity but eating 3x the calories burned to "refuel" absolutely does.
https://www.eatingwell.com/article/292257/10-ways-your-workouts-could-actually-be-causing-weight-gain/
Thanks for the link! This article covered many mistakes people make when trying to lose weight through exercise. I've talked to friends about a few of these, I appreciate you bringing more awareness to them.
Us food is processed heavy maybe?
SUGAR
You really think that's it? I mean fast food has gotten increasingly larger and unhealthier large ass sodas I could see it being the sole cause.
It's definitely an issue at the core.
Sugar in French fries. Sugar in ketchup. Sugar (of some form) in the burger patty. Sugar in the bun. Sugar in the drunk options. If it ain't super refined sugar, it's high fructose corn syrup (which is bounds worse).
If you have a food scale, measure out a gram of sugar, see the physical space it takes up. When you can physically see how much sugar is added to premade, prepared and processed foods, you can tell the intent is to sicken you, and it's anger inducing.
I use sugar cubes in tea 1 gram is a cube I believe there big so 43 grams in a soda is massive.
Bread is suger for carbs break down in to glucose aka suger. But stuff like high fructose corn syrup can only be broken down in the liver. It causes strain on the liver and can lead to fatty liver.
Bread is glucose. Sugar is sucrose = glucose + fructose 50/50. HFCS is typically glucose + fructose 45/55, almost the same thing.
It could also be people worked less sitting on their asses
High fructose corn syrup is literally in everything
Nope. Not in veges. Not in meat. Stop eating shit.
well, not literally
Sorry, high fructose corn syrup is in almost all processed foods, which is what most Americans eat. You feel better.
still not true. it sounds like your understanding of food is based on what you hear people say on the internet
processed foods, which is what most Americans eat.
And whose fault is that?
Probably the government's. European countries have laws that would prevent many American foods from being sold. Regulations require a better standard.
Among the most prominent: Earl Butz, but as often is with reality he is not the sole cause but a significant contributing factor. He was the main driver to deregulating US agriculture.
And if you want real a deep dive into the matter. You watch Robert Lustigs lecture on Sugar. It's 1,5 hours but it is packed with information. It is probably one of the best 1,5 hours spent educating yourself. https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM
Well literally, the definition of literally has a no meaning to GEN-Z.
Unfortunately I'm not that
Now we're going to have to invent a new word which means what literally used to mean. Thanks a lot gen z!
I mean both Merriam Webster and Oxford have "virtually" as a definition of the word "literally" and oed has plenty of examples going back to the 18th century of this usage
https://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/109061
(See 1c)
But I guess gen z bad
I agree, when we stayed in Belgium I never felt hungry, and dint have the constant desire to eat. The food here in the US is just pure trash, tainted with all kinds of things.
How did you survive avoiding the waffles?;)
Belgian here. We don't eat all that many waffles.
Beer and chocolate is another story though.
And fries
And fries!
Yeah, I didnât avoid the waffles :) but just a waffle a day and some westvleteren and I was set!
This is just a theory, but the USA uses a herbicide called Atrazine, which is banned in Europe. Some of the stuff Iâve read on it is downright scary. Also, ânatural flavoursâ are not natural and are what artificial flavours is now called. It makes food hyper palatable.
Europe is way more interested in health, from the use of pesticides and raising their cattle on their proper diet.
Could also be phyto-estrogens too. That could definitely cause some hormonal shit that could lead to weight gain.
I remember reading that pesticides might cause this reaction.
Yea, round up residual found in many breads.
Itâs sugar, my dude. Sugar is crammed into everything, not just sweets and candy and pastries.
American bread canât legally be sold as âbreadâ in some European countries because the sugar content is so damn high.
Carbs do this. Eat low carb, and you can eat as much as you like without gaining fat. Carbs make you hungry too.
But hereâs a big question. Is the corporate line that fat is bad and cereal crops are healthy for your heart, a conspiracy? Keep the nation fat, hungry and dependent on fast food, dependant on big phama and make them dying younger.
Okay, hereâs the scene. Itâs 1940, you are projecting a 2-3X growth in the size of your population. You have to feed an entire nation AND get as many people off the farm lands, and into industry as possible
One of the only options you have is: convince the population to survive on wheat and corn.
You basically donât have enough meat, fish, nut, and fruit capacity to provide a healthy diet
So you hire two sets of scientists. One to create all kinds of fantastic, cheap, ready to eat corn / wheat products (basically everything in a box / bottle / bag at your grocery store).
And the second group of scientists to tell you itâs a good idea
Thatâs the modern diet
further reading: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lustig-john-yudkin
robert lustig explains how sugar is poison: https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM
similar to how one cigarette won't kill you, decades of 2 packs a day kills you; one dessert doesn't make you fat and diabetic, decades of constant daily sugar intake does
Further, research "the bliss point". They literally had scientists in the 40's/50's experimenting how to make food more addictive.
thanks for the info, found this so far https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/the-extraordinary-science-of-junk-food.html?pagewanted=all
Gary Taubes, "The Case Against Sugar" as well.
100% agree
My diet is basically: meat, eggs, fruit, whey, oats.
Iâll have a sugary treat a few times a month. Iâll have a beer or a glass of wine about the same.
i mostly avoid sugar, but i notice that if i have some candy, the next day i'll get a pretty strong craving for candy again, around the same time of day. it definitely gives you a brain boost for the afternoon post-lunch slump. it takes days for the sugar cravings to stop
My personal view is that our gut bacteria inform our food choices to a degree. If you stop eating certain foods, eventually the bacteria that 'enjoy' that food or prefer it die. Maybe that causes a craving for that food via our enteric nervous system? Who knows.
I'm similar with the candy though. Usually only had sugar/y things with my coffee. Now I started eating a little candy and I'm noticing I want it more.
Good theory. So, Europeans don't eat grains? Did these conspiracy scientists convince all of Asia to get the bulk of their calories from rice?
Interesting question. I know their obesity rates are way higher than they were 100 years ago - and also way lower than US levels today. I know that they tend to use lower levels of highly processed ingredients (like HFCS and maltodextrin) compared to US. But I can't comment as to why.
Obesity rates by country:
Countries with obesity above US levels: ( Nauru 61%, Cook Islands, Palau, Marshall Islands, Tuvalu, Niue, Tonga, Samoa, Kiribati, Federated States of Micronesia, Kuwait: 45%).
America's compared to European countries:
United States: 36.2%
Canada: 29.4%
Mexico: 28.9%
UK: 27.8%
Germany: 22.3%
Finland: 22.3%
Belgium: 22.2%
France: 21.6%
All those regular sized people in the photos at the top got most of their calories from grains. Rice and wheat aren't the problem here. The food pyramid is fine as long as it isn't interpreted to mean eating exclusively the most heavily processed representations of each food group.
I think that the problems are lack of exercise, quantity of food consumed, and percentage of heavily processed food in the diet.
Totally agree - I said something similar in another comment
I'd go a step further and say that maintaining a healthy weight is mostly about the quantity of food consumed.
I'd also note: eating grains isn't inherently destructive. You can be perfectly healthy and have bread and corn
A human isn't going to sit and eat 9 corn cobs in a day, every day. But if you turn that corn into Doritos and soda and ketchup and hotdog buns, it gets a LOT easier to consume massive amounts of the stuff
Yes. Saturated fats being bad for you is a conspiracy Iâd like to see on here on day
It's also cheap to make, lasts much longer, and makes transportation easier. A lot of it started purely out of money making, and ease. Now we're at a point where pharma companies are making more money than the food companies, because of the food.
Yes. Can this sub have these conspiracies on here more frequent Iâm a nerd for this
I second this. I was gaining weight constantly. I went almost a year going to the gym and meal prepping 500 calorie meals 3x a day. I bulked up muscle wise a little bit, but could not get rid of fat. Gave that up. I'm 5'8", and weighed around 225. Got all the way up to 250. Started keto and now I hover around 215-218. I don't gain weight. I have low testosterone levels though (not low enough for injections, but low enough I have a hard time slimming down and I feel tired all the time.). I will go through phases where I decide to go off keto. Only lasts about a week because I feel absolutely horrible when I start eating carbs again.
1500 cals? you was possibly undereating especially if you was hitting the gym.
Might have been. That's been a few years ago. I hadn't heard of the keto diet yet. I had just gone through a divorce and was around 225. I was tired of being so overweight, so I probably went overboard. Kept at it for around 6-7 months before I gave up and went back to old eating habits. Started keto about 1 year ago. I'll never go back. I indulge in some pizza or Chinese food now and then, but I just feel unbelievably better on keto.
Keto can be very hit and miss for some people, but As long as it works for you that's what matters.
If were eating eating only 1500 cals a day. It doesn't matter if it is oreos. You would have been losing weight. A good bit actually.
train muscle - have bulks of muscle
train endurance - burn fat and be able to load lots of carbs.
you just have to move more. look how cyclist look like. their aren't doing any low carb or fancy cavemen meat diets. they eat carbs, lots of.
I definitely want to move more. So busy all the time that fitness tends to be put on the back burner. Actively working on changing that though.
You are so wrong. Eat as much as you like as long it's low carb? Insane.
Calories in calories out.
Count how much calories you consume and adjust.
You are literally eating blind.
People in the 70s ate quite a bit of carbs and sugar. The seed oils and high fructose corn syrup are what caused the obesity epidemic.
Seed oils
sneed oils
High fructose corn syrup
Everybody keeps saying sugar, but poly unsaturated fatty acids and hydrogenated oils are shown to trigger cannabanoid receptors in the brain and cause hunger. Pufas are in literally everything
Pufas make Fupas
I have not met a sports nutritionist yet that would agree with this.
You know, the people that actually need people to make weight.
Try popcorners kettle chips. You can eat half a bag without realizing it. Iâm not sure what makes them so addicting. I told my wife that we just canât buy them anymore.
I live in Europe. This is not just an american problem.
I was going to say I thought I saw a news story about how the UK recently passed the US in obesity.
Nah we're still a fair way off the US, I think it's currently rising faster in the UK but even if that stays true it will still take while to catch up.
Thatâs a more sinister aspect of American capitalism. They sell products that hook customers. We are only worth the revenue we generate.
MSG is found in things like "natural flavor" and caused mice to become obese in studies. It creates a food addiction and food craving in the brain. It makes sense that food companies would want to put it in so many foods to make people buy more.
There was a paper trail of letters between food companies and the FDA showing the FDA was being influenced to approve it, despite its harmful effects.
There's maybe 10+ studies funded by food companies saying it's safe, and about 1/4 of the studies by independent researchers saying it's dangerous. That's usually how it goes. The companies who stand to make a profit fund studies to say a substance is safe, then when the FDA panel looks at all the studies they say, "oh the majority of studies say it's safe so let's approve it." Never mind that the majority of studies had researchers with conflicts of interest.
If it would be that, wouldn't Asia have higher obesity statistics? Isn't sugar the most likely culprit?
As others have said, it is a combination of sugar and HFCS. Even the most benign things like oatmeals, granolas, breads, and some canned fruits/veggies will contain added sugar. If it is a âname brandâ then forget about it, because the sugar content is generally higher in those items then in the âsupermarket brandsâ or the same stuff you can buy in bulk from Costco or Sams Club.
HFCS is a completely different monster, and you are eating anything that has been âprocessedâ, the odds are good that it contains hfcs. It is even more addicting then regular sugar is and is generally the ingredient in the highest concentration. It is used as a food additive so much because of the agriculture industry and all the corn that gets produced to feed the livestock. Byproducts were created to up revenue since so much ag. Output is government subsidized.
Combine those items with a caveman brain that still craves salts, sugars and fats; since those are tougher to find as a hunter/gatherer, and a lifestyle which grinds down the poor⌠it is easy to see how people fall into the âempty calorie trapsâ of cheap food with little to no actual nutritional value. This prompts overeating to fill the void, and when stacked with a sedentary lifestyle equals bad news for everyone.
Sugar and MSG
It's not sugar alone, refined carbs can be worse than sugar on the glycemic index.
Processed polyunsaturated seed oils (which are allowed to have toxic levels of inflammatory compounds in the US) are in everything.
High fructose corn syrup.
Many Americans don't really eat meals either, kind of just snack through out the day. Especially younger people. They snack, maybe eat one larger item as their "meal" snack some more, go to bed. Wake up, drink either an energy drink, or coffee drink loaded with sugars and dairy. Snack snack snack. Repeat.
Dad, how can you hate The Colonel?
Companies literally engineer food to make us want to consume more.
Im a Latino and growing up was very different from what itâs today, specially in the food options. As a kid and teen lots of our food at home and in the street was very healthy. Maybe, because I also grow up in a farm town where all our food was base on the season. For example anything that we get from our farm or other families farm. Yes, we did eat animals, but that was an very unique times. Big holidays or celebrations. To drink we mostly used to have aguas frescas or limonadas, yes it had sugar, but it was control or if you where very low income you got used to not using much sugar.
Now that has changed drastically, you visit my family and all they drink all day long is Coca Cola or those type beverages. Meat and other animal products are consumed constantly. Morning, afternoon and night. Things have changed so much and you can see it on the people. Big population is either obese or dying of some type of sickness related to bad eating habits like diabetes and heart problems.
Big corporations are now in control of our population habits and people thing is normal, is not. Eating like that and looking like that is not normal, is not the way we used to be.
I think the passive calorie burn from walking and taking busses and railcars and trains has a lot to do with it. Cities with good public transit still have a much lower obesity rate, even with a modern diet.
If you feed a goose bread it will eat eat eat it because it is not getting the nutrients it needs. Donât feed geese bread
Corn syrup and the internet.
Vegetable oil
You realize these people became the Fat parents that raised the fat kids
nono, the millenials and zoomers woke up and decided to be fat
Whatâs your point? This isnât a moral issue itâs a diet issue.
Its Corn Sweetener. I think it started with the 7/11 relentless âBig Gulpâ Ad Campaign. They showed Construction Workers etc. enjoying their 128 ounce Corn Sweetener Sodas. Then McDonalds followed suit. Relentless Ads matching the Prior Saturation Cigarette Ads. Before that Sodas were in Comparatively Small Bottles and were considered Reward Candy Bar type items. You were supposed to drink Water if you were dehydrated - not Corn Sweetener by the Quart.
Shortly after that Cars were given Drink Holders. And the Culture of always having Corn Sweetener by your side was finalized.
The drink holder comment is something I had never thought of. Now you never have to be without your soda or coffee flavored sugar drink.
This is one of those minor culture shock things that got me when I visited the US to meet up with a bunch of online gaming buddies, most were American and a couple of us travelled from overseas like me.
There was an obvious mental Pavlovian link between entering a car and having a large, sweet, usually carbonated (but sometimes coffee-based) drink. Guys that I didn't see drink soda in any other context would (at the start of a car journey) suddenly suggest a drive-thru purely for drinks and others would agree as though it was the most obvious thing to do.
Taking a step back and looking at it as an outsider it made me ponder the things I do as a "cultural norm" but is really the result of relentless marketing.
Ill say this,
Im American and I dont "eat healthy"
I eat Mcdonalds at least once a week, and pizza on one of the other days. I like veggies but i use butter on my potatoes and etc. etc.
But two things i absolutely hate are soda and milk.
I drink tea and coffee plenty, but mostly, i drink water.
Every single overweight friend i know likes soda and drinks it regularly. Maybe not every day. But very often.
I'm 5'7 135 lbs male.
It's something I've noticed as well! I quit with soft drinks years ago and drink mostly coffee and unsweetened tea if not water and shed probably 20 lbs. 185-165 5'8" 31M. Most of my pals have packed on the pounds over the years, and every one that has drinks straight soda. I never see them with water or any alternative. So addictive and we never realize it!
You almost approached the right conclusion. Corn syrup contains more fructose than sugar cane. Fructose actually tastes sweeter on the tongue than straight glucose, which is what cane sugar is for the most part. The problem isn't corn syrup itself, but rather that Americans consume a ton of sugar. Just look at the average, vending-machine Coke â 20oz and 240 calories. That 20oz bottle of coke has over 10% of your recommended calories for the entire day!
Corn syrup is just a cost-effective and cheaper alternative to sugar cane. Think about how much corn is produced in the US versus sugar cane â it's just more economical. Americans readily consume sugar throughout the day, which leads to excess. Sugar isn't the devil, it's that Americans have no self control and what every meal to have dessert.
sucrose (Table Sugar) is 50% glucose and 50% Fructose.
Dextrose (Corn Sugar) is glucose
HFCS can be around 55% fructose.
Finally a post in this sub that I believe actually is a conspiracy. They want us fat and sedated and malleable. There's like 6 companies that make like 80% of our easily accessible food and it is fucking pumped full of sodium and bullshit. The scariest thing is how much fatter people are the lower income they are because the cheaper the food the more chalk full of shit it has. I used to work for a neighborhood center in the largest public housing project in Milwaukee. You would think borderline poverty means skin and bone folks. Nope. The opposite. Loads of obesity and diabetes. But there wasn't a fucking grocery store in miles. Produce is unobtainable. Everything is loaded with sodium
Fuck Monsanto to the depths of fucking hell. This shit isn't accidental and they know what they're fucking doing
Agreed Iâm nerding out right now Iâve been on a nutrition conspiracy binge the last year after personal diet change experiences
Finally a comment about Monsanto. If glyphosate isn't the real conspiracy then I don't know what is. Chemical farming needs to be fixed.
Fast food is also a cheaper and much faster way to get a quick treat as well, hence why so many poorer people are so far; they're looking for that little spot of brightness in their lives and food that's crap for you but Tates great fills that need.
We are the first society in which the poorest are also the fattest.
Mental health has declined as well. Fat body = weak mind.
Itâs easier for people to eat their feelings away rather than do something about it.
We over eat because our bodies are starving for nutrients that are lacking in highly processed foods.
I wouldve been considered fat years ago.
Now I'm considered chubby. And incredibly morbidly obese people are now considered fat.
Fucking wild.
I'm actively trying to lose weight ATM.
I Cottenswab nominate you Critical50 to improve your body and mind in a 21 day challenge to drop 5 pounds. You are awesome and you can do it!
high fructose corn syrup
High Fructose Corn Syrup
Part of the reason is different foods available. Fast food, microwavable meals, snacks, TV dinners etc. weren't as readily abundant back then. Not to mention no cellphones or internet. People, especially kids were a lot more active than they are today. They played outdoors and participated in sports more than now.
Doesnât help when you have the stupid fat pride/body positivity movement encouraging not to try and better yourself.
i heard the phrase " a body ravaged by high fructose corn syrup" and its stuck with me
Conspiracy? This is well documented you can read plenty of analysis on the obesity epidemic in the US.
I'm fat and it's a damn conspiracy. They did this. /s
Yes. Itâs a conspiracy. Conspiracies can be true, can be documented, and this is an example of that. Lobbyist conspire with food companies, congressmen conspire with the lobbyists, and the masses are the losers in the end.
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I just went on a bike ride with my wife and 18 month old son.
My son is skinny as shit. He was at the doc earlier this week and I asked if he was too skinny, doc said no he is what toddlers should look like, what I'm used to seeing are just plain old fat kids. Ok cool, that makes me feel much better.
Anywho...bike ride. We passed this kid that was probably the same age as my son but probably weighed 50% more. The kid was so fat. We couldn't believe it. That kid is doomed from the start, and the parents see nothing wrong with it.
Same here. I'm a fat bastard, have been since I was a kid. Grew up poor, eating shit like margarine sandwiches. The kids that we see around the same age as mine all have fat rolls and shit. We try to feed The Kid the best we can. i'll eat garbage so we can afford good food for him. People have no idea though, when it's normalized that every single baby damn near comes out of the womb with rolls. Lots of soy and HFCS in baby formula, they push you to not breastfeed...people are stupid.
my mom ate brownies when she was pregnant with me and then i never got support from anyone in my family to help lose the weight. finally learned how to do it myself around 18 and now have lost 100 ish pounds and have 50 maybe more to go.
My theory is that sugary juices are thought of as healthy, when they're really not much better than soda, if they are at all. That's gets the kiddos hooked from the start.
I agree. My son has never had juice, because we are afraid as soon as he does he won't want water anymore and we are trying to raise a hydrohomie
But I know growing up in the 80s and 90s that juice was a completely acceptable thing for children to drink all day
That sounds like a good plan. I wonder if today's juice is any different than our juice was when we were kids?
My 3 year old was at a playground and some middle eastern mom told my wife heâs too skinny. Heâs right on the mark. Her son was obese.
Yup. And then capitalists found out how to maximize profits by selling the cheapest, fakest foods on every fucking street corner in America. Oh and don't forget to booze and drink beer at every fucking occasion. Totally normal.
The billion dollar fitness industry has profited in response to Americans being grazing land mammals feeding on the absolute garbage being fed to them, but they can hardly compete against carbs and high fructose corn syrup.
Corporate suicide promote trash
People eat trash and die
Why are we losing money!
Same with food allergies. When I was in school (class of 94) there was one or two kids that had a peanut allergy or something. Not half the class being allergic to crap. I blame GMO's. The further we get away from what nature provided for us to survive and thrive the worse off and weaker as a species we are becoming.
It's because the doctors recommended not feeding babies common allergens, they literally recommend the opposite now. At my kids 9 month appointment, the doctor was asking if I'd given them peanut butter yet.
Also a fun fact, they used to recommend washing your nipples before feeding a baby and cleaning belly buttons on babies.
Between my first kid and my second kid (3 years) advice changed on their "birthday nap". First kid they wanted me to wake him to feed him, second kid they told me to let her sleep. I recommend the second idea.
This generation of children will have a much lower life expectancy than their grandparents/parents. There are more fat kids than there are healthy kids at my childâs school. I bet 90% of those kids who are already fat will stay fat there entire lives. Itâs pretty rare for someone who has been obese since childhood to lose that weight once their older and educated on the importance of maintaining a healthy weight. It should be considered child abuse if your child is obese. This generation will probably have more drug problems than their parents and some were subjected to experimental vaccines. I feel terrible for those kids.
My mom told me back in the day she went to her doctor and said she wanted to loose some weight. He prescribed her basically speed. Worked like a charm. Wonder if that was more common too.
Yes it was. Even a few years ago you could still get it with no issues. Fen-phen or phentermine.
The drug?
I don't know and she's dead now so I can't ask sorry :/
Submission statement: With a change in diet i.e. by cutting out healthy fats and replacing them with seed oil, refined carbs, sugar and grains, obesity and diabetes rates nowadays are the highest in recorded history.
Last 4 charts in the "WTF happened in 1971" shows that as well
"Trend in Obesity among 2-19 yr olds, "
"National health expenditures "
"Growth in Physicians and Administrators"
On another note, RFK Jr has been saying a lot of the health and mental issues today started around the time Fauci joined NIH (1968), they started approving toxic food additives and controversial medical substances.
And stop driving everywhere. Duh.
enter CICO, the advice Americans have been attempting to follow for the past 40 years. âYou can eat garbage, just not too much of it!â Itâs music to our ears, but Thatâs like saying heroin in moderation is ok - but it ainât gonna happen in moderation.
Eat unprocessed foods, move your body. Itâs really that simple. Expend more energy than you consume. Low sugar, high protein, plenty of fruits, veggies and grains like quinoa and legumes. Solved.
But Big Macs and Oreos ..
Well, you know. Moderation is cool
They want you fat so you canât fight. I always think of Wally from Disney. Preconditioned us to get fat. I would be fat if I wasnât allergic to food.
In European groceries and convenience stores: The soft drink selection is very small. One small shelf. They just donât drink that stuff.
In movies, Rodney Dangerfield was considered the, "fat guy." I watched Caddyshack not too long ago and I was shocked at how slim he was--
People don't walk anywhere anymore- lifestyle of laziness. Chemical-laden, over-processed foods.
This is why we need more walkable cityâs with houses/apartments we can pay for
Seed oils
Sugar
Both.
what the fuck bro why did I get downvoted without even getting a response back? serious question come on guys
so black seed oil and organic hemp seed oil is bad for you?
Up to latchkey kids of the 1980s, almost EVERYONE had to be "home for dinner" during the "dinner hour".
Typically prepared by a stay-at-home mom, it included non GMO dishes, not prepared in microwaves, oftentimes from a bi-weekly shopping trip, or even daily trips.
And the "every once in a while" was a trip to a fast food joint. That was an occasional treat rather than a daily staple.
Food out of a box was an anomaly.
But, that all changed when the exportation of jobs to the far East in the early 1970's turned vibrant cities into rust belts, and mom no longer had time to cook, but, instead needed to go to work to help the family make ends meet.
Obesity is only one of many side effects of somebody getting "favored nation" status by President Nixon.
Meanwhile, the frogs never felt the warming water in the pot . . .
Not having good home cooked meals is likely a big factor.
When mothers were at home, it created a safer environment in the neighborhood too, with all the mothers looking out for each other's kids. This meant that it was safer for kids to be playing outside, so they got more exercise outside. Now, I think there was a poll saying kids get like 6+ hours of screen time a day, and only 25-30 minutes playing outside on average?
This is still quite the way in rural communities. I live in a town of 500 in rural Canada.
My kids walk home from school at 330, they have snack (which in my house is usually an omelette as its quick) and are gone til 6. 6 is..just supper time. Everyone goes home for supper. Sometimes they bring friends, sometimes they stay at friends. Then they are outside until 8 for littles, 930 for bigs.
Any kids can go to any house and get water or help or whatever they need.
Exactly how it was in the neighborhood I grew up in. Living in a big city and the way lifestyles have changed these days is taking away allowing kids to play outside.
That sounds great and exactly like how it should be. Oh things have changed for the worse.
It's still like that in many places in America. I'd advise anyone living in big cities to get the fuck out. It isn't going to get better. Shit I'd get out of the suburbs too.
Oh trust me im in the suburbs right now and im moving to the country in the future and I cant wait.
Weâve also added about another billion to the planet since I was born⌠just so many minds to keep healthy and sane.
I want to add that atleast in my country buying food that is good for you is almost unaffordable for most lower income families. It's much more affordable to just buy a loaf of bread and some cheap meat and be done with it.
Agreed! It's sad that the economic shifts made from 1968-1972 had such a profound effect on society. An effect, that tragically, I don't think we can undo without one hell of a re-set in pure contradiction of the one that's planned for us by TPTB . . .
More damage was done in those short years than from 1913 to 1968. I suspect someone wearing a tailored suit, sitting in a big comfy chair in a smoke filled room said things were taking too long, even after removing the "head" of state in 1964 in Dallas.
I miss playing outside, another issue i have is no where to actually play lol. As an adult i notice kids have less and less yard space, the apartment complexes have playgrounds but not all the time or its become a place the destitute, so not safe for kids. My own yard has no real space and my neighbors kids hardly come out of the house. They have bikes and sometimes I'll see them out there for 10 minutes at a time. Also sidewalks and shit dont exist in my town, it isnt fun nor safe to walk along a highway with no sidewalk and people speed 20 over the limit. Every year, the bike tourney comes through and someone dies from hit and run.
GMO foods were a staple in the 80s. GMO corn came about around the dust bowl. The only reason you're aware of GMOs today is from lobbying and a new way to make your food more expensive.
My anecdotal habits also have shown me that itâs potentially about quantity more than anything else. If I eat a cheeseburger from a fast food place. Just one cheeseburger- I stay slim. But as soon as my girlfriend says letâs have sides with a home cooked meal I am a few pounds extra the next day. Maybe itâs just my own genetic make up but I could set my watch to this.
Of course there's no "one size fits all" on this issue, please don't think I tried to present it as such.
It's funny, while out and about today, I was speaking with a friend at a restaurant, and watching others around us order enough to feed a horse! Appetizers, main course, sides, dessert.
If I ate like that every day, I'd be big as a horse!
But, that was kind of the point of the occasional trips to the fast food joint from the past. Because we knew we wouldn't be back tomorrow, or later that day, when we went, we'd make pigs out of ourselves.
However, these days, there are more fast food meals eaten than home cooked in the course of any given week, by a far and wide ratio IMHO . . .
I agree with and upvoted your original post before I replied. Was just adding another option that could work for some bc it seems to work for me.
May your method help others! Together we can tackle obesity, by getting into whatever works for us first, then, helping others. Additionally, if we stop buying as much of the junk out there, we'll begin to make the difference when bottom lines of the big processing companies start to shrink and they have to revamp their offerings. If we're talking about our displeasure with their deconstructed, processed and then reconstructed foods, grown by GMO/BGH and a bunch of other nastiness, we'll go back to eating their better product when it's modified for the betterment of bodies!
One of the biggest problems with today's food is the maximization of shelf life. A peach picked in South America has to get over to China to get canned, and then shipped over the USA for consumption.
And we are now at a crossroads where if they went to healthier production methods, we'd need more refrigeration. For more refrigeration we need to put additional taxes on the grids. When we challenge the grids to convert to renewable energy, we lose efficiency. When we lose efficiency, we can't refrigerate properly. When we can't refrigerate, we can't have better prepared foods with shorter shelf lives, yet more healthy.
So, suffice to say, I think we're headed for not just more of the same, but a LOT more of the same, OR eat ze bugs!
Yeah⌠before Covid I owned my own successful small business in a major city with employees. Now I am an employee stocking groceries. Front row to all this and I have multiple levels of concern. Weâll see what happens and I donât believe it who pan out as short term crazy as some think it will. Think it will be a grind most people wonât notice until the new industrial complex is in full swing. Then it might even seem like a new normal to most of a generation. Let me know if you have any questions for a dude who sees the actual inner workings of grocery currently! I can tell you one thing - they are trying to save on gas at corporate and instead of deliveries 6 days itâs down to 3/4 and itâs driving the stockers into a physical and mental struggle.
This is exactly the problem here. I don't think we should force women to stay at home but rather encourage them to stay home by giving them government money for the kids while the man of the house works.
I really don't want to ever force a woman into anything they don't want to do. And like, I said, unless we come up with one helluva change to status quo, one earner wages per household won't bring in enough $$ to support today's family. They made it a team effort to keep the lights on.
But, moving towards your point, how about school vouchers with a caveat? Send your kid to the school of your choice with a standard government allotment, OR keep the check and home-school.
That's a good idea, we should also be calling for the Government to get it's nose out of schools. Ever since the Department of Education was created we've been in the hole in my opinion. I think we should also do away with this "advanced education" bullshit and bring back normal education that teaches you how to function in life, how to pay taxes. Not Shakespeare
Though I'm no financial expert I believe the cost of living needs to go way down for a start.
bring back normal education that teaches you how to function in life, how to pay taxes. Not Shakespeare
Uh, what? Classic education was never life skills or paying taxes, it was subjects like math, writing, literature, history, etc. Stuff to make a well-rounded intelligent citizen. When was is this period of "normal education" that you want to bring back?
I donât totally agree with you on education - but I believe the schools should keep their noses out of morals, values, social issues, sex ed.. and focus on academics. But back to conspiracies - thereâs a large push in my region right now to supply meals for students. Theyâre throwing around words like equitable and all my alarm bells are ringing. In the same conversation, members of the parent teacher association were trashing parents who want to teach sex ed at home. Iâm talking about 9 year olds just so we are clear. But whatâs next - parents canât teach their own food values? My kid came home last year with a healthy habits challenge that told her to be a vegetarian for one day. It wasnât long after my 6 year old announced she wanted to be vegetarian. One time, when the school said she didnât bring an adequate lunch, she was led to a charity fridge and given dairy and gluten - two things I believe donât make a complete meal and would rather serve in moderation. Iâm scared for the day they start supplying their nutritious lunches and snacks.
The federal Department of Education is a redundant agency. Between State level Departments of Education, County level and then local level school boards, nothing ever gets done.
If you look to the East, you'll find long school days, short school vacations and complete concentration on STEM topics.
They don't offer a lot of advanced "liberal arts" degree options, either.
Coming from someone WITH a liberal arts degree, I've found that the most helpful skills learned in schooling were, in fact, Reading, Writing and Arithmetic. I'm using Reading and Writing RIGHT NOW!
Followed closely behind by two important High School classes. Civics and Life Skills. Especially Life Skills, which taught me how to enter into a contract or lease, balance a checkbook, make a family budget, open bank accounts and a plethora of other things that I've applied throughout my life.
My English Lit college class? I read well written books, but couldn't quote you a line from any of them today off the top of my head.
How about encouraging more men to stay home, cook, clean, etc? Women have been sidelined enough throughout human history.
Can you read? Never said to force them to do anything.
"Women have been sidelined enough throughout human history."
Not anymore here, get over it.
Answer: Sugar
Sugar is extremely calorie dense, fills you very little and even blocks the usage of fats as an energy source.
The worst part is that Sugar is everywhere. Be it regular Sugar or Corn syrup.
Sugar isnât even that bad. Itâs the garbage weâve replaced sugar with.
It's not that, it's that the average American eats excessive amounts of calories (most of which aren't healthy).
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You guys have to let them make the choice. You canât force them to be skinny.
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Not everything is to take down usa. Why would our leaders want that anyway? They want power right?
I wouldnât say convinced but more in denial of their weight
Nope thereâs a big campaign for body acceptance/body positivity which will not end well.
I think it's because processed, unhealthy ass shit wasn't as widely available in commercial shopping centers back then. Healthy food was way more common and cheaper. Not saying its impossible to eat healthy because by no means it's not. It's just that they make sure you see the unhealthy, cheap food vs the healthy food they deliberately make more expensive.
I mean that's just not true. At least not in the Midwest where I live. I can fill my fridge and pantry with healthy options for a lot cheaper than buying frozen and boxed foods. And that's basically all raw, whole foods. The problem is a lot of people don't know how to cook, or even shop for food. They go to the grocery store, see a ready made frozen or boxed dinner and load up on those.
I was looking at frozen foods recently and was shocked how expensive the shit is, because you always hear how much cheaper it is. A small bag of chicken strips was like 15 dollars.
Some areas definitely don't have access to fresh whole foods though, especially in poorer areas. Probably by design.
I think it's different in other areas of the United States yeah. But where I'm at the healthy food is expensive af. Which i agree is by design. They do that to keep the poor fat and dependent on Government programs.
Is also a hell of a lot cheaper for the food companies, so they can keep their sweet prophet margins.
Money makes the world go round sadly.
the time when fast food became a thing. the chemical additives in this "junk" food is not good for your body
S E E D O I L S
Yup. People ate real food back then made at home. People hardly ever ate any fast food. Not everyone drove everywhere. People got exercise. Schools still had PE. People weren't living on sodas like now. Also, standards of living were higher with people being able to afford things. There was job security. People were paid better when a single parent could work a 9-5 could live a half decent lifestylefor their family.
Yes. AND fat people donât hangout at beaches wearing swim trunks and bikinis. We would find heavier people in the long all-you-can-eat cafeteria and STeakhouse buffet lines. And they were/are socially shamed. And stay home more.
But the Super Markets with aisles of highly processed food and fake fast food global corporations messed up our biochemistry and likely activated latent genetic variants.
Big ag farming practices altered the soil eg petroleum-based fertilizers and pesticides. Add water and air pollution. Add Geoengineering fallout eg sulfur, Heavy metals such as aluminum, barium, cadmium, titanium and plastic polymers. Parasites have even been found in the aerosolized spray.
And monoculture GMOs. Plus, lots of SUGAR. High fructose Corn syrup and seed oils. Yum.
And moms started working outside the home. Needed two incomes to modernize the home with an endless array of appliances. We ate frozen stuff that we nuked, not fresh food grown in the home gardens.
And we got addicted to the screens and programming and became less physically active. So they built Gym$.
Technology made us fat. And global food corporatization. And today biomedically-mandated Technocracy wants t $olve the obesity problem...Right? Rockefeller Foundation says weâll all get food prescriptions made of micronutrients (and insects).
The Game Masters will probably try to criminalize private gardens and livestock. Again.
It was actually prior to the 1990's.
In the '70's and '80's it was still unusual to see an actual obese person.
Case in point; I joined the AF in 1985. As a 5'7" woman, my weight max was 143 lbs. I believe that the men could weigh 165 lbs.
Weight max today for anyone 5'7" is 175 lbs. A man at that height would be a little chunky (or not if he works out), a woman at that weight is definitely chubby, whether she works out or not.
The military services had to raise the weight standards to be able to recruit enough people to serve. These are young people who are overweight/obese as 18-27 year olds. It is just going to get worse going forward.
Itâs because the food we eat now is filled with processed and unnatural chemicals or lacking in vitamins, our soil is dead and Iâm hard pressed to find a drink that doesnât contain high fructose corn syrup or go out of my way to buy expensive juice. I just drink water now
Food guide pyramid was upside down to to lobbying of big sugar and dairy. Then- it got worse.
Its this kind of shit we should be talking about. Why is everyone fat? Why are so many older people getting cancer, parkinsons, or ALS, and why are so many younger people deathly allergic to nuts or fruits? How did so many of us lose the skills lose our grandparents had? Why do people in their 20s and 30s not want to have children?!
Pop off r/conspiracy! U.S. foods are filled with toxic chemicals that wouldnât fly in most other countries. We have practically no choice but to eat garbage unless we can afford the time and money needed to make clean organic meals.
Not impossible to eat clean in the states but it takes a lot of nutritional knowledge and the time to look through the ingredients on each product you buy. Not to mention the price of good quality clean food. That being said, eat more vegetable and less preservatives you fat fucks!
The crazy thing is that no one is truly sure why. While it's easy to blame the changes in our food supply, the obesity isn't limited to just humans. Primates in laboratories have been getting fatter as well and their diet is 100% regulated. Even the water they are given is reverse osmosis filtered til it's pure water and then has minerals added back to it. So the changes in our food supply wouldn't have any effect on them, but they are still getting fatter too.
Interesting. Source?
Here's one from 2015 talking about it and it has some references to the studies you can use to dig deeper.
https://www.vox.com/2015/8/24/9194579/obesity-animals
Iâve been living outside the US for about 6 months now. I had my parents ship me my favorite little Debbieâs. But even after only 6 months I canât stand eating them. They taste like petroleum!
In the 70s we did not consume nearly as much sugar as we do now.
Because there wasn't a 1000 chemical in food and drink back then
Animal based diet, animal fat, beef tallow, lard etc, according to mainstream doctors, are all unhealthy.
Yet seed oils, foods infused with chemicals, vegetables that are full of chemicals are glorified and pushed forward.
Obesity started to rise ironically when food diet crazes started. They started replacing natural sugars and what not with artificial foods and flavors. Thereâs more to this comment but Iâm still tired and not thinking straight enough to elaborate haha
Iâm also not awake enough to think through my response, I just think immediately of issues of directionality. Assuming âfad dietsâ -caused-> âweight issuesâ, whereas âweight issuesâ-causing->âfad dietsâ requires far fewer additional assumptions.
Sugar, seed oils, toxins
Seed oils? Like canola and vegetable? I've seen this mentioned a couple of times in this thread.
I assume this is also indicating that not using animal based oils is an issue?
Yes. Use butter, coconut and olive oil only.
Avocado oil, olive oil, coconut oil, and ghee.
It's the latest 'bad thing'. Some redpilled keto influencer must preach this now.
You're talking to a zoomer looking for nutritional advice...
All you have to do is look at pics from the civil rights movement in the 1960's. You'll have a hard time finding any fat black people. Compare that to now.
Preservatives are used to stop things from growing in our food. Do they inhibit the bacteria in our guts? There's the issue of fluoridated water and overall inactivity of the population compared to how people used to be (I also feel that many people have mitochondria that is damaged and not supportive of high activity levels.) There are obesogenic chemicals in the environment and chemicals and pesticides in our foods.
Sad, isn't it?
The food now is literally created to be addictive too. Something about the combination of fats, salts, and sugar. I'd been eating healthy all year and fell off the wagon so to speak a couple months ago. I cannot stop eating breads, and sweets. I feel soo much better when I don't eat dairy and simple carbs but I can't stop đŠ I'm at a healthy weight just low energy, mucusy, anxious....
Food is cheaper now - which is a good thing. There was a study done examining caloric intake then and now and the authors said this didnât explain the level of obesity now. They posited some new unknown environmental factor.
only rich people were fat back then (Jackie Gleeson as example) now its the opposite and poor people are obese
Microplastics, dude. Theyâre an endocrine disruptor. Boomers all had lead poisoning. People born after 1980 have been served everything in or on plastic.
Just look Homer Simpson. A home-owning nuclear engineering, 6ft and 240 pounds. 25 years ago this man was considered COMEDICALLY fat and stupid.
Oh yes. Times have changed...
Explosion of antibiotics use. You know they are use to fatten cows in feedlots. Kill your microbiome, you become fatter.
Corn syrup is part of it of course. Replacing fat with sugar and salt was always a bad idea. But not the whole story.
And now most of America is fat or obese. Lol.
Yet, politicians don't want obesity epidemic addressed.
And then they spew this BS saying "We're gonna address it. Here's how..." and then it never happens.
They donât want to fix it. Fat people need expensive healthcare
This was due to a couple of things.
The largest was the studies funded by the sugar industry to vilify fat as the problem. They paid scientists $40k to help âfund their studiesâ.
High fructose corn syrup became the sweetener of choice in products about this time too. Not to mention the change in lifestyle had families eating more processed boxed meals.
One thatâs overlooked is fitness programs in schools. JFK had a program adopted by almost all schools in America. Hereâs a sample, https://youtu.be/NGa6BPj3Mcw
Imagine high schoolers doing that today? Theyâd be quivering, crying messes. I remember my middle school had peg boards still in the late 80âs. No one knew what they were until one day the coach showed us. Iâm 45 now and in really good shape thanks to my fitness levels from my teens and 20âs. But those boomers were on a different level. I would have had to adapt hard to that stuff.
Processed foods and preservatives
Glyphosate too, impacting the microbiome.
Processed foods arenât good for you.
Simple solution. Make your own food. Do not buy processed food. Obese people tend to have a lot less children. This is population control... Also, look at Netflix - they are mascunalizing women to control the population. The Masonic motto is - "nothing by force". This is social engineering at its' finest.
I grew up in the 70s and people considered themselves fat if they were 10 -15 pounds over the average weight charts. Look for vintage clothes and compare the differences in sizes between then and now.
Nowadays everyones lazy, stare at TVs n screens n video games. Hell even our cars are starting to drive themselves. Laziness combined with MORE fake processed carcinogenic foods, we dont eat fresh veggies n meat from a cow, now its sodium packed cans of veggies with fake processed food while sucking down pop and not getting of your ass until it's to walk to your bed to sleep. It's sad how Americans have deteriorated into fat brainwashed sheep who are okay supporting a government that causes death to your fellow people.
Sugar industry is the new cigarette industry. Lobbyists and bought scientists control the AMA, as well as the FDA. Sugar is as addictive as cocaine.
Is it sugar itself, or the refined sugar foisted upon us?
Itâs the added processed sugar that is in everything. Fruit juice is fortified with high fructose corn syrup! Itâs addictive as hell, and that fact is hidden from everyone.
Sugar is not as addictive as cocaine; Americans just don't have any discipline in how they eat. However, it's also fair to say that unhealthy, sugary foods tend to be cheaper than healthy alternatives. Buying a salad is going to be more expensive than buying a McDouble.
We've never had so much access to calories and sedentary activities as we do now as a species. I kinda blame the school system for training us all to sit still and consume information 8 hours a day
School also existed before 1970
I blame the internet and smart phones, you never see kids playing outside anymore.
I would get out of school and go play spot light, tag, hide and seek, go sliding in the winter, build a cabin in the woods, now every kid I 've talked too, their hobby is xbox and ticktok
Iâm also with this guy, I work with kids and they are so into their tablets/laptops/phones/etc. i never see them play outside or run around they only want to play fall guys or be on youtube now.
I started to lose faith when schools implemented laptops/tablets into learning.
I blame the school system for not teaching you how to think critically
Uh, that's my point? Public schools are a scam
You can thank seed oils, gmos, high fructose corn syrup, etc. Eat real food and stay active. Itâs not hard
It is actually incredibly hard for your standard middle class american to eat clean. Work and the demand to work extra hours to "get ahead and show devotion" to a job. Bringing kids to after school activities. Lack of good income despite all the extra work. Lack of cheap clean food in stores. And the constant exhaustion makes it very difficult to set aside time to even go food shopping let alone prepare food for your family. By the time you get home after everything it's 8PM and your child has to be in bed by 830 and you are too tired to cook. And then you pass out shortly after your child because you have been working for the past 15 hours working and parenting.
As well as the demonization of smoking tbh. People simply ate less and didn't have cravings for shitty food when nicotine was part of the diet.
Well, tbf, I don't think smoking was the healthiest thing either.
Smoking is obviously not the healthiest thing, but I think it has a lot to do with what you are smoking. Pure tobacco? Not great. Modern cigs packed full of chemicals? You gonna get some weird diseases.
So you're saying I need to start smoking to lose weight ...
TIL warning of lung cancer is âdemonizingâ
I donât think thatâs it, only about 32% of people were smokers between 1975-1985
Thatâs a lot. Especially since thatâs about exactly how many are now obese.
It's an American thing due to high fructose corn syrup.
Sugar does all the job.
From your bread to everything you consume.
You will be surprised by the quality of food that we have in Europe
Especially in the Balkans countries.
Most GMOs are banned as well or are required by the law to label it clearly in front of the product.
Carbs and sugar are a big part of it, but the replacement of natural fats with seed oils was the final blow.
We turned everything into gmo garbage with our crusade against saturated fat and cholesterol and pumped everything full of sugar and "vegetable" oil to make it not taste like garbage
Most of Europe is not that far behind USA in Obesity rates.
UK especially.
Depends the place I said.
Places like Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Bulgaria,North Makedonia,Albania,Serbia and some others you can find first quality food for cheap values compared to other countries.
Cheap and healthy.
Both Portugal and Italy have super high obesity rates. Nothing compared to the US but still high
Yea, its definitely not just the american corn industry. It may explain the gap, which isnt that big at all tbh
The problem is most likely that people are pretty damn shitty at regulating themselves around food. Previous generations never had access to these amounts of foods, most people just ate what they could get. My grandparents literally had no way to get fat because they were eating one warm meal a day at most. They have no clue about food or nutrition, even now but they just didnt have access to all the food we have right now. They buy the same stuff they bought 50 years ago and keep eating the same way, three times a day, no snacks every day.
Money spent on food in relation to income also went down significantly in all western countries over the past 70 years. We can just buy much more calorie dense food for much cheaper.
Capitalism wants consumers to consume more. It makes more money that way
Back then overweight is being a shame part in the society so everyone tend to eat only when they are hungry where today eating seems like a hobby,eat more than necessary of course will result in obesity.
And now fat is like the new normal no fat shaming etc lol
It also used to be a sign you were rich. Pretty much the opposite, these days
And then we got the convenience of packaged food and fast food chains and a capitalist system that is incentivized to create as many food addicts as possible.
It's not the capitalist system incentivizing it. It's greed. Greed is a factor in every economic system. The fiat monetary system subsidizes corn and sugar production. That is more akin to central planning than free market capitalism.
Point taken. Would corporate lobbying to create and maintain sugar subsidies be a part of capitalism? Is the government doing this out of a sense of good for the population or to prop up corporate profits?
Once the government starts picking winners and losers its no longer free market capitalism, it's cronyism. America hasn't been a truly free market country in probably a century. Readthis to learn more.
The government picking sides is capitalism. Once someone has enough capital, they control the government. It was a lesson taught in the game monopoly.
Monopolies are not part of capitalism. Adam Smith warned against monopolies. Monopolies are what happens when capitalism has failed.
Itâs a natural occurrence in capitalism. You need a strong central authority and many regulations to combat monopolies. Free market capitalism leads to monopolies every time.
You are starting from false a priori assumptions. Strong central authorities will lead to monopolies every time. Free market capitalism will ensure competition in the marketplace that will make monopolies impossible if they stop serving the consumer.
Tell that to Rockefeller. Unregulated markets get cornered and then controlled by that monopoly. If there is not central authority to combat that they create their own to control it. If the central authority is weak they corrupt it and control it. You have bought in to the propaganda of the wealthy.
Rockefeller does not believe in free markets. The central authority will inevitably be overtaken by monopolists and force new people from entering the market through regulatory burdens. Which is the current status quo we are living under. Read some Austrian economic theory. You sound like a Keynesian.
Not if it is a strong central authority. Without it monopoly occurs, also through regulatory burdens and buying out your competition. Without a strong central authority it happens quicker. Look at Rockefeller. Of course he didnât believe in free markets, heâs a capitalist.
Sounds like socialism or fascism. Which is a monopoly system.
Sounds like you drank the kool-aid. Falling back on the classic ânot true capitalismâ argument. Maybe you should read more economic theory.
I've read a ton. From Marxist theory to Austrian school. What books would you recommend?
All of them. Reread them because you clearly didnât understand them.
If you had to give me your top 3 which would they be? There are literally thousands of economics books, it's not very helpful to say "all of them", it just makes you sound like you haven't read any of them. I understand that clearly enough them I could steel man the arguments of Marxists, Keynesians, Chicago school or Austrians. Can you say the same?
Go try and start a dairy farm and come back to us and let us know what gov control does
Cronyism not Capitalism. Huge difference.
Yes, and do we have an uncorrupted system of capitalism or is it more of a crony capitalist system?
Clearly we have a crony capitalist system. That was my point.
We all got fat and started eating ass.
We didnât live on fast food back then. We played frisbee instead of video games
The globalists that have monopolized everything, incuding the food industry, want you fat, weak, feminized, sick,and broke.
The toughest thing to do is probably the best thing to do and that's to leave this country USA very soon. That kind of rhymes I like it.
The Peoples Poet đ
I think theres a lot of revisionist history here, there's been obese actors, actresses, ex sportsman, pro wrestlers, musicians, and on and on that were obese pre 1970s.
Are there more now? Sure, there's more of everything now and we see it all due to the internet.
70s,80s and 90s were a different time. Those who've never lived without the internet or 24/7 news, have no idea, it was like the dark ages.
Disco was in styleâŚlol people have pre lives before the internet and didnât like sitting around to get fat
Smoking was common back then. Smoking decreases snacking and appetite. Drinking was a lot more common too and that helps to reduce excess food consumption. I also think that life styles were more active. But the life expectancy was lower too wasnât it?
I graduated high school in 1979. We had mandatory PE classes, my mom cooked breakfast and supper everyday. We rarely ate out. Food was simpler and we were very active. I vaguely remember one overweight girl and by todays standards she would have just been chunky.
The proliferation of highly processed plant based oils is the main cause of modern day obesity imo. Vegetable, canola, grapeseed, soybean, palm, sunflower, safflower, corn, etc. To say the industrial processing of these oils is foul, is an understatement. Believe it or not, most of the oils consumed in this country were rancid or nearing rancid at one point. Crisco comes out rancid and gray, but is processed to remove taste, smell, and color. People were healthier when they used lard and butter as an oil.
How is this a conspiracy?
This is fact.
Please don't tell me there are dingleberries walking around trying to say that we've always had a ton of obese people?
Biggest conspiracy that never gets discussed. How the government destroyed our food supply and told us to eat carbs and no fat = obesity rates that kept doubling
This was before they started putting high fructose corn syrup in literally everything.
Funny how the drop in smoking rates (40-45 percent in the late 60s and early 70s) coincides with the obesity explosion. Tobacco smoking is a hell of an appetite suppressant.
Sugar and the ever increasing lobbying to keep in in our foods is the driving factor behind obesity.
High fructose corn sugar.
So was fast food.
Corn syrup...
4 words. High fructose corn syrup.
Bc fast food was NOT fast food. They added that shit in the 80s and when the seagulls showed up. Even McDonaldâs had high quality meat, which is what made them popular, then they bought the land and franchised the shit out of it becoming the monopolists
Everything has added sugar and stripped of the protein. The protein used to make you full and with the added sugar, you crave more of it all. The lobbyists for sugar in the early 80s ruined quality food.
Edit: punctuation.
Conspiracy theory:
When large family households got broken up by family members leaving the home for salaried jobs in other states, and nuclear families became the norm, and maybe even when women began to enter the workplace, healthy home cooked meals became replaced by processed foods & snacks because there is just not enough time to cook & eat properly and joyfully. And obviously marketing convenience to home cooks is huge too -- choose this box of dried potatoes instead of homemade! Save time! Etc. If we can go back to living in larger households with grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins to share the household work load with, we will improve our eating habits and health also.
My kids are half Indian but we live in the USA. When they were babies & toddlers, they ate only healthy Indian food in the home. Ever since seeing what other kids eat, including candies & junk food, feeding them has become much harder. However, when they see older peers eating the healthy Indian foods, they will eat too. They naturally won't if nobody else is eating those things, and want Mac and cheese or whatever instead.
It is not just about sugar but about how our households are set up and our (and our children's) role models -- older peers within the family members.
We need to go back to not only more of a paleo diet but a multigenerational paleo household too. Our society & family structures are so far away from ideal, and we don't even know it, because many of us from the USA have never known it.
Thoughts?
Ahh yes pictures of the beach every âfatâ persons nightmare Now lets take a second to wonder why we see no one weighing more than 170 in this picture
Went to Tombstone AZ a few years ago. They had clothing on display that Wyatt Earp and Sadey wore among others. You canât believe how small they were. Josy (spelling) was about the size of a 12 year old today. Another interesting thing about that trip was seeing Earp signature on Josyâs prostitution license. If you know the movie and go to tombstone it changes your prospective.
If only they had equal rights back then. Those women could've had a chance to become blacksmiths, miners, or railroad builders.
100% agree. However, Not many women would be willing to to that work. Women were on short supply in those times in the west. Unfortunately if they were born there they had to marry Or choose that life. Gals simply donât have the strength to do that kinda work. Driving spikes, swinging a hammer to make a horse shoe, and on the working end of a shovel. Today we have machines that make that work easier and women can do it. Me as a man would not even want to do it as they did back then. For instance, today my wife was trying to help me load 50# feed sacks for our animals. She was doing the best she could but couldnât load them over the PU bed. So she just brought them to me so I could. And really I donât want her to. Sheâs not made for that. She is a valuable person in so more than that. I can handle the lifting and she can handle the animals, and better at that than me.
I brought it up as a point that there really weren't much other employment options for women at the time, so it's a little harsh to judge people of the time for being accepting of prostitution as legitimate employment.
Also, one could make the argument that making prostitution illegal was one of the most sexist pieces of legislation ever. You don't need a database to know that it's an industry dominated by women. It made them sole proprietors long before we had equal rights. And this avenue of economic freedom was taken from them.
Some what agree. A lot of prostitution today is forced by illegal immigration via cartels. Some is single gals working strip clubs to feed their kids. If itâs gonna be a legitimate business and no rules you are running the risk of trapping young gals in the business that donât wanna be there. Itâs the oldest profession in the world as you know, but I would not like my daughters doing it if I knew. No reason that a woman in todays times would have to resort to that. And yet Iâve known a few that did because of no support from their parents. I live very close to the Texas border and have friends there. Used to own land on the river. Been to Boys town many times when I was younger. Never bought anything but Iâve seen what prostitution is up close. I would not wish that in anyone male or female. The gals in boys town across the river are very friendly if you know what I mean, they are trying to get paid and probably trying to feed their family. I donât blame them for trying to cross the river, hell if I was born over there I would to. Sorry for the rambling
True, in today's market it's certainly not a form of employment that is necessary. I'm sure that most of the women who end up doing it would rather be doing something else. But what about a country like Denmark, which has a very good economy and many employment options? Prostitution is legal there. I wonder what percentage of women choose that profession because it's what they would rather do instead of something else.
Drugs. Thatâs it. They are addicted to something and thatâs how they get the fix. Very sad.
Compare school lunches then vs now. Then, you got what was effectively a home-cooked meal, good tasting and good for you. Now we feed kids plastic prison food.
And then farm subsidies made corn syrup the cheapest sweetener...
High fructose corn syrup. Thatâs it
I don't think it is a coincidence that when society largely stopped smoking, people gained tons of weight.
4 words: high fructose corn syrup
Before the 1970s staying inside the house all day was uncommon.
High fructose CORN syrup ended up in everything. Almost like a bunch of redneck high-school dropout corn farmers get six-figure government paychecks to farm excessive quantities of the shit while they complain about socialism and government overreach on their government-mandated internet access.
"they are not fat, they are beautiful"
Stunning and brave as well đ
Go make fun of them. It would make someone eat more but you donât care.
there's no fun in making someone feel bad. we agree on that.
Two things:
SUGAR! Sugar đđ°đŞđŠđđ§(and other processed crap like flour and oil extracts) obviously đ existed in the 70s but each decade we add more and more to our diet
Not sitting at a desk all day when you get home. While there were desk jobs in the 70s, you didnât have a computer đť đĽ to sit down to, movies đĽ đż to rent, or TV đş with a ton of channels. If you wanted entertainment you had to move!
This was caused by the proliferation of trans-fats.
Quite a true conspiracy if you look further into it.
As a r/conspiracy outsider - lmao, how is that even a conspiracy, this is a plain fact that doesn't even take long to notice. The fact that food production quality has gone to absolute garbage is not a secret at all.
Lying about nutrition, meats, saturated fats to push their manufactured poison sounds like a conspiracy to me
There are very few conspiracies here. I don't know why most of things that are posted are allowed to stay up.
Most are just opinions or political posts.
This post isn't even a revelation of any sort.
lol
Orrrrrr fat people donât go to the beach as much as fit people.
You must not go to beaches. They are packed with fatties
Iâm talking about back then
High fructose corn syrup was added to pretty much everything in the 80âs.
Certain stores have actually reclassified garment sizes because of the amount of overweight people shopping for clothes. For example what was once a Large is now a Medium, even though the measurements havenât changed. Chains discovered people are more likely to make clothing purchases if the size of the garment promotes a positive image in the customerâs mind, as opposed to someone having to begrudgingly buy XXL sizes, etc.
This trend is misleading and possibly promotes unhealthy choices, with the deception being that the individual is a healthy weight because they still fit into âsmallerâ sized garments.
No doubt that increased sedentary lifestyles, work environments, and the abundance poorer quality foods, as well as healthier food being excessively expensive, have all contributed to a higher median weight for the average American.
Not a conspiracy when most people lack the self discipline to stop shoveling down food
It is a conspiracy because itâs due to the chemicals and ingredients in all of our foods (unless you shop specifically)
Yeah man, itâs everyone fault but your own that you choose to eat garbage and sit on your ass all day.
Why did people choose so well prior to the 70s and choose so poorly now? Did individuals randomly become terrible? Or could this be a systemic issue?
Part of it is that our society sees poor diet as a "forced" choice. With the former stay-at-home moms in the workforce now, you can't really expect them to prepare the home-cooked meals I grew up on. They rely on processed foods to get the job done.
This is just what our capitalist system does.
It favors cheap production and sugar is a cheap preservative. And a good one.
What we're eating is not as problematic as what we're drinking.
The average soda consumption has increased over 100 percent since 1977!
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/09/040917091452.htm
Wonder how much salt intake increased
Bingo, weâre eating easily 2/3k mg sodium a day when our bodies only need about half that. You can easily get 2k mg sodium from a fast food sandwich alone, and even grocery store options are hard to get something thatâs not a shit bomb for you to eat. The food selection in the US is atrocious for healthy options.
Two words - corn syrup early 70s then everyone got fat
This feels like selection bias. "Look at all these attractive people who chose for themselves to go to the public place where you're allowed to wear less clothes. Mmm, yes, no fat in sight!"
There is more processed foods now than in the 70âsâŚ. Plus there was no cell phones back then, people now just sit around scrolling for hrs at a time which inhibits an overdose of serotonin in your brain which makes you unmotivated and lazy which leads to people not caring about their health or appearance. Just my thoughts, I might be wrong
1980s Coke like many companies switch to high fructose corn syrup as sweetener
The food triangle changed.
Carbs. If you eat with food from the middle aisle you will have a high card, unhealthy diet. Carbs convert into sugar which triggers insulin resistance. On goes the pounds.
They put high fructose corn syrup in everything.
High fructose corn syrup. Quite simple unfortunately
We didnât have HFCS before the 1970s.
This is what happens when corporations run everything and making money is more important than anything else.
Simply put, capitalism makes people fat.
Food is processed with more synthetic ingredients and filler to make more product than actual food in it. Nutrition is absolute shit here in the US.
"Made with REAL* cheese!"
So honest question what happened? Is it our habits, the things that are in the foods now, what?
too many fast food places everywhere now and grocery stores are filled with processed foods
I know with me working shift work in the refinery fast food is my biggest enemy but itâs so easy to grab and go when youâre exhausted and yes I know itâs a weak excuse
And there was McDonald's
Food additives and food flavorings...MSG started being used in 1970s and 80s.
All them drugs, processed foods, sugars and not enough exercise.
Theyâre poisoning our food
More like adding a touch of food to their poison đ
They take our medicine so they can sell us a cure
This is very true... pretty much everyone was trim fit and cut it seems back then looking through photos.
Great post. Shows us how theyâre poisoning us, making us sick, so we go to them for the cure for diabetes, heart disease, strokes etc.
Processed food and sugars weren't quite as prevalent yet. Things like seed oils and artificial butters weren't a part of the general diet yet. People were in the sun more. Heart attacks were much much less common. They've risen with the increase of seed oils and processed food.
Wow, I forget about this all the time. My parents were beach bums and that's something I always remember from their photo albums...not 1 fat person in the background ( or foreground at that)
The people look so much more attractive too.
Maybe in America, but in Europe, it was a symbol of status until writers and artists romanticized tuberculosis because of some of its side effects.
They'd contract the disease, go off to quarantine in some far-away place, and lose tons of weight as a result of the illness. Their audiences (primarily wealthy) romanticized the emaciated look, and here we are.
Itâs good for business to keep people unhealthy.
When you have high fructose drug dealers on every corner who are allowed to advertise to your children what else do you expect?
Qnd now they're normalizing it by showing fat people in commercials, TV and movies
Yep. Look at shows/movies/documentaries from the 70sâŚeven the extras or bystanders are relatively thin compared to people today. Almost everyone looked like a professional swimmer.
Part of it is diet, part of it is a culture today of no accountability (everyoneâs a âvictimâ), and part of it is the disgusting celebration of obesity within some circles. Just look at Victoria secret models today - revolting.
Itâs still like this in Europe. Thereâs definitely a cultural difference in that Europe cares a lot About the quality of its food and produce. While Americans eat a lot of highly processed foods and export it to the rest of the world.
That was back when our food was real and we ate it in the right sized portions
This looks like any beach in Europe anno 2022
High fructose corn syrup and coca cola
And low fat products and processesed foods
Also, with decline in diet and quality of food (and what passes for food in the US, often thereâs a long list of ingredients on bread, etc and who knows what most of the ingredients are?) comes more health issues. Diabetes, cancers, high blood pressure, auto-immune issues, lupus, excema, fibromyalgia Crohns, and chronic fatigue syndrome, anxiety and depression. The list goes on but these seem more and more common, donât they?
Well yea. In the 79s was when the FDA basically took restrictions off of sugar. Now processed sugar is in damn near everything. Shit is worse then cocaine in addiction levels.
Have a big friend. We both on 2 tabs of acid. 7 hours of dancing. I pull out a bag of chips to eat a few for that sugar energy he sees them yells SUGAR! AND RIPS THEM FROM MY HAND AND EATS THE WHOLE BAG. Bruh. Had a talk with him the next day about respecting other people's food and asking permission but at same time I understand cuz I was raised by a fat mom so I understand the addiction đŻ. I still struggle myself with it at times.
FDA fucked America when they released the restrictions on sugar
It's sugar
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/well/eat/how-the-sugar-industry-shifted-blame-to-fat.html
Sugar industry blaming it on fat, and hiding the negatives of sugar. Not that complicated actually. Food industry went to shit, if it was ever a good industry to begin with.
I think you mostly have an issue with quantity over quality in the US. Everything is double size compared to Europe for the same price.
Processed foods and capitalism, baby. Also an increase in sedentary lifestyles and professions. Nothing too hidden.
Movement from fat to "low fat" (high fructose corn syrup) will cause that change.
Any health issue for us is $$$ for them.. foods just easy way cuz ppl try to fill the void we all feel with food.. We can't fill that void though it's a longing to get off earth & go home.. Where'd I put my halo again..I just can't find it. đ¤
Based on 3 pictures of beaches, OP has a theory.
Corn syrup was introduced into everything.
So, what changed?
Obesity is definitely getting to be a huge problem.
But while there definitely were less fat people then, these photos are all of young people at beaches. Probably the least likely location and demographic where you'd find fat people.
Thereâs something in the food. Thereâs a reason why 14-17 year olds are so well developed and look so much older these days than 10-14 years ago
Diet as a mean to control population and promote eugenics. There are numerous writings about it by J. Huxley, H.G. Welles, B. Russel and C.G. Darwin.
Hmm this is wild, You would think a cavemanâs life expectancy would be much higher with a salad of the freshest meats and salads also idk
Processed foods are cheaper, unfortunately and thatâs all a lot of people can afford. Itâs very expensive to eat healthy all of the time.
They want us fat, sick and reliant.
High fructose corn syrup. You can see it as an ingredient in almost every fucking food packages you can find. Soft drinks containing it can help people with low sugar and I find no problem with it. But we have excessive usage of corn syrup for almost every fucking processed food.
Enter the food pyramid to help us know what to eat.
Now that I think about it ... there was a point in history where we didn't have access to sugar.
The lengths you have to go to make sugar, all the machines or human labor it takes to make it from scratch ...
It really is an heresy, no one needs this! It tastes good, that's all.
Processed foods, horrible work/life balance, endless stress, poor sleep habits, everything delivered to our front door via our phones, cities that prioritize cars over walking. It all adds up.
Sugar.
Then they said saturated fat is dangerous and fat in general is dangerous.
So meat consumption fell.
High fat% product consumption fell
Sugar consumption increased
Seed oil consumption skyrocketed
And now we have a cancer, diabetes and obesity epidemic
But, but, but the experts at the FDA and the food pyramid and the science!!!!
Ppl are eating less meat and itâs making them fatter.
Back when both parents didn't have to work and mom had a 3 course meal made every night and McDonald's wasn't the cheapest option because meat prices are so insane right now it's actually cheaper to eat out sometimes
People's own bad habits, I'm eating white Reese's ATM while shredded.
Eating habits have changed in the last 40-50 years. Where I grew up, people used to grow their own veggies or get them fresh from the green grocer. They had chooks in the backyard for fresh eggs and would kill chickens to eat them for Sunday dinner, and get meat fresh from the butcher daily. Nowadays everything is fast food or processed, drink soft drink instead of water, and people live much more sedentary lifestyles. No wonder we are all a bunch of fat fucks.
I feel like we are just a country of an instant gratification mindset, we want things yesterday. We want what we want and only that. We donât know what sacrifice is anymore. Kinda deep for an obesity post I know
You're also forgetting that half of these dudes photographed probably went through basic training and maybe even a tour in Vietnam. The dudes are ripped !
Thatâs because there wasnât so much processed shitâŚ.
Sherlock over here.
A still growing majority of jobs require no physical labor, and cities keep being built even more car-centric with essentially no ability to walk anywhere. You can't go outside without spending money or you're loitering.
For many people, the internet is the only place they can get any social interaction. So we sit at our computers all day every day.
So many reasons for this, iâm betting the food back then in America wasnât as shitty. Packed with horrible hormones and sugar and other ingredients that are banned in other countries. Also no internet back then, no gaming all day or being on the computer not doing physical activity. Also it was easier to live back then and not have to survive off cheap fast food items. Since nowadays us working class people have to usually make sacrifices of eating cheap to afford shelter and other necessities
I find it strange that the US mainly uses the teaspoon as a measurement but its nutrition labels use grams. I asked around my network and no one I asked realized that one teaspoon is about 5 grams. A can of soda is like 40 grams⌠baby food pack have 15 gramsâŚ
The food pyramid is absolutely rigged. Fact is that carbs are the enemy not fat. This processed shit that we are feeding ourselves is destroying us. Family life is very different now than it was as itâs quite rare now to have a stay at home mom.
This is a good conspiracy to actually unite people. Not only are major food manufacturers giant conglomerates now, big foods producers now create literally hundreds of thousands of gallons of toxic waste and release them into waterways, particularly in minority areas.
So was processed food and high fructose corn syrup.
You can thank the innovations of capitalism.
Fast food everyone. poor diet everyone. why are you guys suprised lol
Iâd trade all the technology and internet we have today for the simplistic life of back then.
I'm an old git, I remember growing up there was only ever one fat kid in each year at school.
It has been driven by the food industry with processing additives & portion sizes. Apart from drugs fast food is the ultimate in instant gratification.
My user name tells the story, but you have to make a personal choice, if you are not careful & disciplined it's really easy to be obese.
The US is by far the worst, but the UK isn't far behind.
obesity = food and beverage companies making money hand over fist = privatized healthcare making money hand over fist = fitness industry making bank = clothing/retail industry making bank ⌠capitalism is the problem
Well when everyone eats junk and doesn't exercise now, things change. Now everything has some form of fattening substance and the amount that people consume is honestly truly disgusting.
I eat maybe one full meal a day and snack on fruit or nuts. The idea of 3 full meals has always been a stupid one. Because people would eat that plus snack all day. Then all we do is drive in cars, sit at work, watch TV and stay on the internet.
according to the GBD since the 90s (when the study was started) the #1 killer in the world has been cardiovascular disease due to poor diet, with a highlight on red meat. in the states alone as of 2019/20 (last time i looked at the data) you have a 1/4 chance of dying for the same reasons. we already know meat processing can also lead to carcinogen consumption, which is known to cause cancer
there are similarities between how big meat and big dairy operate like big tobacco. lobbying, celebrity commercials, promoting unhealthy choices while calling them healthy while downplaying the longterm detrimental effects. remember when doctors promoted cigarettes to their patients cuz money? remember the got milk commercials? happy cows? same kinda shit. trying to convince you everything is happy and fun with there's nothing to see here kinda vibes
and i'm not sure there if there's extensive data on this, but dairy products contain casein, which is a protein in milk. once consumed, the body turns this into casomorphin, an opiod, which could be a determining factor on why people are hooked on cheese. that and the fact they try to slip milk into every god damn product they can. seriously, start looking - you might be surprised
if you want, you can liken big dairy and big meat and big tobacco to drug dealers and religious orders who have been legally allowed to feed you and your parents propaganda since their conception. they only get a pass because we have to eat everyday and 'muh freedoms', but we're literally killing ourselves and the planet while we do so - we are the dumbest apex predator on the planet.
you don't even question the fact that you're going to consume meat and dairy today, but maybe you should
Whatâs the conspiracy?
Everyone knows itâs due to fast food, sugary drinks and readily accessible snacks.
I swear this sub has just turned into âwhy did this basic everyday occurrence happenâ.
I don't know about conspiracy. I think its largely due to a decline in self-discipline and more media drawing us to the couch instead of more time spent active. I grew up through the 80s and 90s when there was only maybe 1 token fat kid per classroom. Even I was pretty chubby in those days but I got involved in sports as a teenager and learned to take better care of myself as I do now. It's a struggle because I like to eat. It seems now (especially in the south) everywhere you go you see at least one obese person.
I lost 30 lbs before going to Italy, over 4 months. Went to Italy for my honeymoon, and lost 10 additional pounds, in 2 weeks, eating like a pig.
Just look at early 1900 circus "freaks" that were deemed world's fattest man or woman, they would be skinny by today's Walmart standards
As a British guy visiting America, you guys have extreme portion sizes, like dustbin lid sized. Everything over there is massive. I canât lie however, the fast food culture took a grip here in the early 2000s and our population are ballooning on ready meals and laziness. Even to this day we still donât have the portion sizes you do. However I have to qualify this comment with only eating in mostly tourist areas and cities.
Those patients on 600LbLife would be in a carnival side show back in the 20's.
It is horrible that being overweight is now totally acceptable and even worse, being promoted as something to personally achieve.
Recommended sugar intake from every single thing you eat for the day. Men: 36g Women: 24g
One Twinkie: 29g
One bottle of Coke: 44g Starbucks Venti (extra large) white chocolate mocha with whipped cream -- 73.8 grams of sugar
I could go on...not to mention the huge amounts of pastries etc.
And the food pyramid was designed by corporations, not science.
Why is this a conspiracy? This is literally fact that no one is debating.
Conspiracy= shit stupid people donât think about often
I really believe that the rise in obesity is directly tied to the Iowa Caucus. Any candidate who wants to win Iowa, and everyone wants to win the first primary, has to be very pro corn and corn subsidies. This leads to a rise in the production of sweeteners and other cheap, yet generally unhealthy, food options for most people. Call me crazy but I truly believe this to be part of the problem, not all of it. A big portion has to do with lots of people living in food deserts.
Because people are broke and McDonaldâs is cheap
I was a lot thinner then too.
Make coke great again
in the 70s soda was made from real sugar, both soda and milk came in a glass bottle. around the 80s and 90s, that all changed as petrochemical industry expanded its plastic production. the problem is, with the production of plastics to be used in consumer goods packaging, you cannot get around the problem of bisphenol a.
it's involved in manufacturing of all kinds of things that have plastic. bottles, cans coating, paper jugs with lining, receipts, packaging. we're literally exposed to it without knowing everywhere with everything.
and bisphenol a is a known xenoestrogen mimicking the effects of estrogen. and the disruption in estrogen levels cause obesity. and the effects from bisphenol a is lifelong. there is no way to avoid the adverse effects. the humanity is fucked.
I'm pretty sure there was an era of history where everyone painted were a pretty chunky
I mean what did people eat back then? Eggs and toast for breakfast? Scotch and ciggs with coffee for lunch and like, ham and peas for dinner every day.
It's all the sugary drink and food. I quit sugar and I lost 10kg in 2 months. No exercise and dieting or fasting.
Cigarettes
Sugar Lobby enters the USA
Carbohydrates and the isle of death in the grocery store: chips and soda. Digging their graves with their teeth.
walking was much more common to...and today there is "fat acceptance" so there is no shame in being fat
Sugar replacing fat + tv + computers = sumo body shape
Corn syrup
Maybe they were all inside and never visited the beach
High fructose corn syrup was also nonexistent prior to the 70s.
Did you also know that mercury exists in detectable levels in many foods with high fructose corn syrup due to the caustic soda manufacturing process (mercury cell) and this may be contributing to cognitive decline.
Hell yeah brother. An interesting conspiracy that can lead down many different paths without a bias in the title? Woooow
Yeah cuz we started putting shit in our food lol
Now people are trying to act like itâs ok to obese
High Fructose corn syrup and artificial sugars. Genetically altered fruits.
High carbohydrate diets were actually uncommon prior to the 1970s.
At my local mall, there's literally entire stores dedicated to fat people--they advertise plus size models in lingerie in the front.
I don't want women to get eating disorders but telling people being obese is okay is just downright wrong. It's an unhealthy lifestyle and we ought to encourage people to be healthy, just not in an asshole way. It's literally one of the reasons why Americans die sooner.
Iâm really wondering if the âhealthy at any sizeâ movement is really an attack on women (and through them, children) as part of the UNâs Agenda 21 to reduce the worldâs population.
Not many or if any bald men either đ§
Monsanto, GEnericsllt modified foods, and growth hormoneâUS is the only country that uses theseâ-eating the same way in Europe and I lose weightâ-
I didn't think girls wore those types of bikini bathing suits back then?
We all have to work 3 jobs now fir a shit apt and have no time to cook so we eat fast food
Especially in beach photos ;)
High fructose corn syrup
This isn't some conspiracy, it's capitalism 101. Make products that people will keep buying, for cheap.
Sugary foods taste better, so they pour sugar into everything to get it to sell more. Carbs and fried foods also are super cheap to produce and sell in bulk.
People got accustomed to instant meals and trading out healthy for quick.
Source: blurry picture from a magazine
They all just had really good self control and discipline back then! /s
I remember watching a few episodes of Sanford and Son, and their were (2) episodes when Fred was cracking jokes on the big girls đ¤Ł
1) Americans don't walk enough because we designed everything for the convenience of cars. 2) Our brains misinterpret calories consumed as drinks as negative calories. Sweet drinks aren't just empty calories, they also make you hungrier. 3) Adenovirus 36 is a common cold virus that causes obesity by causing chronic inflammation of fat tissue. Adv36 infection increases the risk of obesity by 77% in adults but the risk is 100% in children.
There is an epidemic of obesity starting about 1980 in both developed and undeveloped countries definitely associated with multiple etiologies. About 670 million people worldwide are obese. The incidence of obesity has increased in all age groups, including children. Obesity causes numerous diseases and the interaction between genetic, metabolic, social, cultural and environmental factors are possible cofactors for the development of obesity. Evidence emerging over the last 20 years supports the hypothesis that viral infections may be associated with obesity in animals and humans. The most widely studied infectious agent possibly linked to obesity is adenovirus 36 (Adv36). Adv36 causes obesity in animals. In humans, Adv36 associates with obesity both in adults and children and the prevalence of Adv36 increases in relation to the body mass index. In vivo and in vitro studies have shown that the viral E4orf1 protein mediates the Adv36 effect including its adipogenic potential. The Adv36 infection should therefore be considered as a possible risk factor for obesity and could be a potential new therapeutic target in addition to an original way to understand the worldwide rise of the epidemic of obesity.
actually obesity is still quiet uncommon everywhere but the US. When I see a foreign lookin person in South Korea, where I live, and they are overweight I automatically think "american" and then I hear their American accent.
Secretary of Agriculture, Earl Butz, under presidents Nixon and Ford from 1971 to 1976, was who caused the obesity epidemic.
He ended New Deal policies, discouraged diverse crops, encouraged monoculture, discouraged wheat growing, and encouraged corn. He also destroyed the family farm.
He did more damage to America than most presidents.
Federal governments colluding with grain boards to change food guide to say people need to eat a lot of grains every day and not just grains but âwhole grainsâ companies found out they can process the grains cheaper and faster by leaving the toxic outer husk on. This combined with the war on fat that tricked people into switching from healthy animal based fats to un healthy industrial seed oils and petroleum bi product spreads. This is a prime example of what happened when governments get involved in the health of their citizens ( kind of reminds me of something else thatâs happening)
Itâs not THE cause, but a quick search for obesity %âs since the 70âs, and the introduction of Big Gulps by 7-11 tells you all you really need to know. Portion sizes have grown to suicide-levels.
Was anyone NOT aware of this? Whereâs the conspiracy?
Our food is crappier for you now. And with the boom of fast food.
What was definitely uncommon was obese people going to the BeachâŚ. We can be sure about this
WHATS IN THE FOOOD!?!?
1990's knew a bloke who worked at a cotpotate poultry farm. Said the hormones, proteins, and antibiotics they fed chickens were illegal but done off the books and were leading to kids maturing faster. From him being a body builder, he had read up on some of these proteins and hormones and said their be health problems down the track. Memory is he left this good paying job shortly afterwards dosgusted.
Itâs like everything changed when Kissinger made that secret trip to China and Nixon hit us with the Nixon shock. Please wake up. This is getting bad, guys.
Modern day south beach⌠i dont see an obesity problem.
https://myareanetwork-photos.s3.amazonaws.com/bizlist_photos/f/197265_1492460002.jpg?0
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/people-on-south-beach-picture-id148843060
That's because no one wants to take pictures of fat people in bathing suits.
Or most fat people dont feel comfortable at the beach. More so now than ever though..
The people at the beach today grew up before the media normalized obesity. Give it some time and you'll see plenty of walruses at the beach.
No shit. Why is this a conspiracy lol
HFCS
Seed oil
Yep, my 85 year old mother has told me that fat people were rare when she was growing up.
Before they started putting poison in our food
Then we discovered high fructose corn syrup baby!!! Bring in the fattiesss woooo
Processed food
more people sick/ill = more money for pharma corpo...
More IRL sex, way less porn
My theory is that the cause of this is all of the substances in foods and seed oils
As a Diabetic is never realized how much sugar and salt are in everything until I had to start looking at nutritional facts on everything, bread might as well be a chocolate bar at this point.
And no one had the sunglasses on no flexing
Itâs sad that I donât see any black people in this photo.
No processed foods and mom didn't feed you MC Donald's 4 days a week
This.
I try to feed my family healthy food, but wife fights me on it because itâs easier to eat out.
Itâs frustrating because I remember as a kid we could show up at grandmaâs house around mealtime and she always had food going (only times there wasnât food it was because she was sick).
Please read...
http://fivehundredpoundpeeps.blogspot.com/2012/06/seeing-through-obesity-lies.html
https://fivehundredpoundpeeps.blogspot.com/2015/10/article-rerun-seeing-through-obesity.html
They've made us sick, no one wants to be fat. In my case I have Lipedema stage 4 but my metabolism is so low it scares the hell out of me. Food is devoid of nutrition and there are endless toxins out there that fatten people up.
https://fivehundredpoundpeeps.blogspot.com/2012/03/real-cause-of-global-obesity-epidemic.html
You never really see beaches full or obese people anyways. Wouldnât you avoid the beach? Depending on where you travel to you still see beaches full of young tanned fit people.
Another thing missing is extremely jacked people
Fat also gathers toxins and chemicals and stores them away from the body. Although my theory is that our bacterial cultures have changed and we all have fungal overgrowth in our intestines from antibiotics and sugar and chemicals, which makes people crave carbs abnormally and starts a cycle of addiction
Star Wars also came out in the 70s. Coincidence?! I think not.
Obesity is actually uncommon outside of the US.
Sugar,Preservatives and Genetically engineered food.
Thanks a lot capitalism. Sell sell sell! Get the people addicted so they buy more. Eat more, buy more. I read somewhere that McDonald's has tripled the amount of SUGAR in their hamburger patties since 1989.
I always thought this was because of all the additives in food.
More preservatives or weird ingredients harder for our body to process etc. Turns into extra fat ?
Idk
I'm fat as hell and you wont find me anywhere near a beach
They poisoned our food and water đ§
High-fructose corn syrup.
How is this a conspiracy though?! Almost all doctors have been pretty much screaming about us getting fatter and fatter for many years now⌠đ¤ˇđźââď¸
High fructose corn syrup
Everyone was on coke
Or.... People didn't have the "big is beautiful" slogan back then to normalise obesity and people who were obese didn't display their bodies at a beach because they didn't feel comfortable
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C'mon, someone just posted 3 beach pics from the 70's and tried to claim obesity didn't exist back then đ
Why you guys want people to hate themselves so much
Or call themselves âFluffyâ.
No shit it's not even a conspiracy it's literally fact. Suger companies paid scientist's to lie and say fat causes fat when in reality Suger was the main culprit.
now if you aren't gay, fat and a minority, you're uncommon
High fructose corn syrup.
How common was consumption of pre packaged food before the 1970s???
Nowadays there are mutant scooter people everywhere where you go. I feel bad for them because there is obviously some sort of medical problem that a large % of the population is experiencing, but you can't point it out because it's "body shaming". Which I don't know the solution but something has to be done.
You have to understand that in the 70's the biggest food offer wasn't junk food, couple with the fact that most people worked in manual labor.
This means everyone was "hitting the gym" 8h a day, 5 days a week at least.
If you go into lower middle class neighborhoods you'll see that people still fit this bill and are normal sized.
The obesity hits worse on 2 fronts: the upper middle class and the poor.
It hits the upper middle class more because those people work mostly office jobs and don't exercise. Calorie intake higher than expenditure = fattening
It also hits the poor because junk food is cheaper (at first sight) compared to health food. You can argue that cooking is cheaper than take out and it is, but then we hit the wall of time available. Most people in poverty don't have time to cook. They work all day, come home and have to take care of kids and home and be at bed early to go out to work again. Poor (like, really poor -- at least here in Brazil) wake up like 5AM to go to work and get home around 6PM - 7PM. That leaves very little time to enjoy family, take care of them and still be able to cook.
Not hard to stay skinny when youâre smoking two packs a day, slamming liquor at lunch and doing bumps at night
Yes because 3 images proves that everyone was slimâŚ
We should bring âfat shamingâ back
Ah yes the beach. The most favourite place for the obese human
Go to a water park. It looks like some sort of National Geographic feature on a new breed of land whales.
Great work Watson we can absolutely deduce this from these three photos
Youâll notice no sunglass and Iâll bet no sunscreen either. Sunscreen gives you cancer and sunglasses are used to vilify the sun. We are meant to be outside as it keeps the immune system healthy.
Iâve been on conspiracy nutrition lifestyle change the last 7 months. I eliminated vegetable and seed oils from my diet. I had read itâs the cause of sun burn. Summer comes, go to beach, 90 degrees, decided to test this. Didnât burn, just tanned lol
Soyscreen is bad for you.
dam fat people started having kids together
What is her ig? đđ¤Ť
I like how you just post pictures of a beach. No statistics or anything else to back up your claim, I'm not saying your wrong but an old picture of a beach does not necessarily mean anything
While it may have been lower , it wasn't as commonly accepted as is today. They didn't go to the beach and flaunt it like today.
In the 70s and 80s, everybody smoked like chimneys, drank like fish and few people were fat.
Would love to see a chart of the rates of smoking and alcohol intake overlaid with the obesity rate. And no, I am not condoning smoking, shit is bad for you.
But so is being morbidly obese.
Um yes we all know this?
Everyone sitting on their asses scrolling and typing away on the internet blaming McDonalds and the Government... You know you could get off reddit and do physical activity or get a physically demanding job, like the people in these pictures.
Uncommon to see black people in the beach in the 70s too
That's what i noticed too.
I wonder what happened...
Why is this being posted to conspiracy
Fat shaming works
Underneath all of those bikinis there is enough hair to wig up every bald man in the world.
Maybe fatties didnt go to the beach
Those are pictures from Soviet Russia. To be Crystal clear: these people lived under State socialism. They did not get enough to eat.
Around 2000 a friend at work told us of his work trip to Russia.
He was being shown around by his Guide, and remarked on how attractive all the women were. Her reply :
âThat is because there is no food!â
Everyone was also using cocaine đ¤
still are
Yeah.
That was right around the time where the Boomers took complete control and went on a deregulation jihad for their god of capitalism.
Now our food is poison... And our water is poison.
But think about the profits.
you mean when they took COKE our of COKE yeah no kidding... also most women and men were addicted to leagalized "meth"
the reason is becos obesity is not about fat---its about food additives which cause water retention
obesity is water retention
it started when they added artificial additives to food--thats when people became obese--esp in the 90s
Becos these food additives & preservatives are poisons-- & the body must retain water to dilute them while they are stored in your cells
thats why obese people can lose & gain weight quickly--they're losing water--- not fat--fat is almost impossible lose permanently
carbos also retain water--so if you eat only meat & vegetables--- the water weight strips away quickly--but as soon as you start eating carbos again--- the water weight returns
the reason you feel sick on a non-carbo or cleansing diet is becos when the water weight is flushed out--- so are the toxins stored in your cells--- so they make you feel sick on their way out
I never felt better than when I was on a multi day fast during the middle of a zero carb diet. I lost 70 pounds doing this and have kept it off, even after going off the diet.
Lol, go read a book
So a non carbo diet is not good?
The flushing of the âtoxinsâ (feel like that sounds dramatic, but yeah) feels bad, but ultimately eliminating foreign man made toxins couldnât be considered worse..
you cant have a healthier diet than meat & vegetables--esp with olive oil
its just that if you are used to eating alot of carbos/ manufactured food--and you suddenly stop ---you will immediately start flushing toxins retained in water weight which will make you feel sick
the cleansing sickness is temporary--unless you start eating manufactured food again
obesity is water retention
LOL
Come to scandinavia, people here are still taller than they are wide.
Pre High Fructose Corn Syrup
Id have so many more options if this was still the case
there should be a rule where you have to explain the conspiracy you're posting about.
fast foodâslow death
So whats the conspircy?
A lot of people didnt eat fastfood back in those days. A lot of people generaly dis eat healthier. A lot of kids did still play outside and did eat a lot less sugar.
This isnt rocked seince.
Not even the to start the fact that they just came out of a war. Well... nearly 60 years of wars, with LOADS of drafte's. Every one had a father who severed in either ww2 or korea. Every one knew a few who served in ww1 and a lot of them severd on vietnam. People wanted to be fit and not fat. People where less unhealthy and lazy then now.
That is not a conspircy.
But uncommon. 15% of the US adolt population was fat.
And yâall complaining about serving up bugs. You canât have delicious food AND skinny people. đ
HFCS is addictive and in everything. It's in the fucking bread and even Johnsonville sausages. Read labels and purchase accordingly.
Years ago I switched from sugary soda, to diet, to seltzer eventually.
On the very rare occasion I have one now I can feel it hit my blood and the related dopamine reward. Your brain is wired to crave the largest reward for the least amount on energy expended.
If you don't consciously realize this you will become a quickly slave to it through normalized behavior. We are poisoning ourselves and paying for it twice with purchases and corn subsidies.
Where is the conspiracy here?
Food companies profiting on cheap carbs, especially HFCS.
Thank you.
Sugar and pop where introduced.
Okay, but wasn't there also a good stretch of American (world?) history when most of the presidents were obese? Dont know typical body weights for that period, but maybe obesity is a cyclical trend?
Sample size: one picture
Are those two guys in white shirts and dress pants, in the last shot Mormons? Wtf lol.
I had an obese next door neighbor and one obese great aunt when I was a kid in the 70s. Both were the size of Aunt Bea from Andy Griffith. Everyone else was like in the posted pics.
The consequences of Republicans fighting corporate regulation. We can eat poison that kills us because weâre âfreeâ.
Yes - because we used to laugh about fat and ugly people - so they naturally started to get fit when they wanted to be part of the society. Not the worst thing.
This doesn't fit in the sub. This is fact not a conspiracy...
It's simple Reaganomics
High Fructose Corn Syrup
I guess Henry VIII never existed then?
I was born in 1961 and grew up in the city of Chicago.
We never stayed in the house, we were always out on the streets. I lived two blocks from Oak Street Beach on the then filthy dead fish-ridden Lake Michigan. Spent the whole summer hanging out on the concrete bleachers. It cost fifty cents to ride the "L" to Wrigley Field and purchase a bleacher ticket for a buck two fifty.
Rode my shirt Schwinn bicycle all over the city with zero bike lanes.
Hung out in the corner bar drinking Kayo and playing pinball and darts.
I'm so glad I grew up when I did...Good times good times...
Whatâs the conspiracy?
All the guys have hair. Everyone in the picture is 20 or younger.
okay maybe find some not beach pictures?
You're not wrong, but using pics of people displaying their bodies at a beach is a massive sampling bias. Obese folks are far more likely to avoid such situations than others.
Yes, but take a photo at any American beach today and it will be filled with lard asses.
bruh this is the sugar lobby doing what the tobacco and oil lobby did. No conspiracy just capitalism
Married with children was a show that routinely lampooned and berated fat women trying to buy shoes, never would Al Bundy imagine that fat shaming itself would be stigmatized and being a bbw is considered a protected marginalized person.
Lizzo gonna get mĂĄd at this post lol
Lol sheâs a fat vegan
Oh blacks also uncommon weird.
This isnât a conspiracy theory itâs just a historically factual observation lol
Yeah because there wasnât a fast food place every 3 minutes and the diners/cafes sold actual food and not shit full of preservatives. I bet cancer was also more uncommon.
They didn't use vegetable oils in everything
tell me you're dumb without telling me you're dumb
It's because life was too expensive and work too physically demanding for anyone to be fat. People assume life was bliss back in the 70s because boomers had it good. No, life was hard.
Pros and cons to both for sure. People do seem to forget all the hard times.
Lol running out of talkings points?
You see nothing wrong here?
Capitalism strikes again
You think you're gonna see obese mother fuckers on the god damn beach? You fuckin' cement head.
Let's admit it' it's a virus, fat virus (proven it exists and is in population by studies btw.)
Can you tell me more about the virus, fat virus?
SMAM-1 and Adenovirus serotype 36, for example. There are probably more undiscovered. Google it please, otherwise the message will be too large.
Or search for "obesity virus".
There are probably not the only cause but I wonder if that's the missing link.
Ya them capitalism and fast food really kicked in
This is just a known fact. Why is this posted in a conspiracy sub! Lol
Explain j Edgar Hoover the
Uhh duh? I'm young and this seems like no shit info. But im completely open to anyone younger than me being surprised, but I don't bet on it.
Dayum those 2 chicks got legs
Lets thank the good oâl U.S. of A for all the fructose corn syrup in all of our food that is causing this obesity.
GMOs introduced by bush senior
Seed oils and GMOs.
wtf
Before cheap fructose.
More fast food restaurants exist now canât go anywhere without see a McDonaldâs
What's the conspiracy here? This is when capitalism went into corporatized hyperdrive, and so did our waistlines.
Everything is secretly made of corn.
Microwave food, frozen meals, and most importantly, corn and its byproducts put into everything.
What do you feed cattle and swine to plump up? Corn. What's one of the main ingredients in off the shelf food now? High fructose corn syrup.
All part of the plan
When did McDonald's open
40s or 50s pretty sure.
Good for it
Chemicals added to foods
That was before we lost the Cold War.
High fructose corn syrup. Thereâs your culprit
Mic drop
Because people weren't consuming processed foods with the high amounts of sugar and fat as much as they are today.
I know the Canada food guide which is taught in in all public schools had changed a lot from the 1970s to 1990s. In the 1970s pictorial food guide, the food groups were in equal parts of a circle and it was recommended to eat "a variety of foods from each group every day"
In 1992 it changed to a rainbow type picture with grain products as the biggest group and said to "choose whole grain and enriched grain products more often"
So they started recommending that grains, breads and cereals be the main part of your diet and this was taught for years. It wasn't changed again until 2007
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/canada-food-guide/about/history-food-guide.html
Edit to add link
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jan/08/global-spread-of-autoimmune-disease-blamed-on-western-diet
"You're killing me smalls"
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Take your blinkers off, or âshooâ if youâre a shillâŚ
Nic Cage "you don't say" meme
The food industry is the largest customer is the fast food industry. Therefore the food in history has catered everything about its manufacturing process to its biggest customer. We the people get everything else. That includes all the processed and corn syrup filled foods you can imagine.
Look at the cost of sugar over the past 50 years.
Yea I thought that was widely known. More and more people are getting fat
No shit?
Or they just stayed home
High fructose corn syrup
This is sooo true. With the introduction of fast foods and drive throughs our waistlines have expanded far beyond normal. Now we can work from home,pick up our phone and order this poison without getting off the chair. Itâs disgusting what weâre eating. To be honest people have become so lazy theyâd eat shit if it tasted ok. We as nations are filled with consumerism and if it doesnât upset our here and now must have it ideals then itâs ok. One day soon our waistlines will just go pop in front of the tv whilst listening to shit and eating Shit
Everyone was outside doing things. No one was glued to TV and cellphone phones. As a kid, I was out playing, riding bike all over the place with friends, enjoying the sunshine. Kids nowadays, heads down on their iPad, iPhone /Android, laptops.. I mean young kids as well. Blame the parents.. SMH. Oh well, it is what it is..
When cigarettes started to be gradually phased out RJ Reynolds and Philipp Morris began to invest and develop research in foodstuffs. So yeah, itâs an addiction.
I think there is a strong correlation with high fructose corn syrup being introduced and obesity. Prob other factors as well
I think air conditioning is the biggest contributor to obesity.
increase in seed oil consumption decrease in smoking
Iâm going to blame this on Reagan
You can find more evidence beyond a few pictures.
For example, the CDC presents data here:
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
No shit we know that.
Or fatties just didnât go to the beach so they werenât in these pics lol jk
Big Sugar
This isn't a conspiracy, this is capitalism.
Government subsidies on high fructose corn syrup. It's not a secret conspiracy. The federal government pays farmers to grow corn. The insane profits get funneled into a lobby that keeps the subsidies in place. If this bothers you, which it should, stop posting on a subreddit that doesn't understand cause and effect and start calling your senators.
Universal health care makes more sense to me if the amount of self induced obesity wasnât so astronomically high.
They ate as much professed food as anyone else, itâs just that the food industry figured out how to make ingredients taste better, and cause addiction.
Whatâs your thoughts on walkable cities?
https://i.imgur.com/8EzuLmA.jpg
1995 ⌠still the point stands
USA wants to be fat tho obama tried some solution everything got blocked
Low fat dogma.
Smoking 3 packs of Lucky Strikes a day was normal and accepted back then.
Food portions were small everywhere.
Restaurants gave you barely anything and you never had leftovers except for a few fat scraps to give to your dog (hence doggie bag).
Also, groceries were expensive so you didn't have a ton of cheap junk food everywhere.
Claim Jumper started the massive portions and everyone else copied.
How is this a conspiracy?
I think itâs because fat shaming was more acceptable back..now weâre making fatties models for Calvin Klein and Abercrombie đ
It wasn't until the mid 80's when they started putting corn syrup in everything. They shit is poison
When is the last time you saw a bunch of kids riding their bikes or skateboarding? They are all on the couch playing video games.
High fructose corn syrup <â
Processed foods.
Seed oils play a part of this, I recommend those interested in the subject of seed oils we are consuming that are also lined in so many foods of today, I've not mentioned sugar and fast food and some others as they are obvious
Fast food is cheap and people are poor.
Well corporations convinced you fat in food was bad. Then replaced the fats with sugars. Boom tons of fat people. Now we replace the sugars with chemicals that the bodies still interpret as sugar.... So more fat people.
I canât handle all these conspiracies!!
Industrial farming
You don't listen to enough JRE
Nope, not a thing.
This is Brazil dawg, they are still hot as fuck there
Obesity and cancer since 70s is up like 60 to 70 % .
Do normal people only post on group on? Iâm trying to figure out if Iâm a shill, sheeple, troll or an asshole.
Itâs the seed oils.
Soda and processed foods. Artificial sweeteners as well
A lot of girls/guys today would be considered the "fat kids" even when I was in school in the 80's.
People ate more are home and less at fast food jointsđ¤
I feel like it will be that way again soon with the prices of food continuing to increase
It's the food industry. Cheap fats. Russian slim girl gained 20 pounds in a year and lost them when got back home.
This is kind of confirmation bias. First pic looks like Brazil? Beaches full of young, fit, half naked people are usually not popular among the obese community.
Goddamn Vietcong
I stumbled on this post middle of me writing a psychology paper for school about obesity and advertising. A lot of the cited sources within the article itself are ones from the late 90's and early 2000's. Interesting how obesity is seen as a norm and it's one of the leading causes of death... that and heart disease, and they both tie into one another.
Why were diet pills, sodas, and tapeworms a thing before the 70âs?
"ah yes, i can tell from 3 random photos of people" - OP
when agriculture became monopolized and corporatized.
Are fat people typically beachgoers? I don't feel these pictures accurately represent the entire population at any given time.
Been to the beach lately? No shame for miles.
Sugar and artificial sugar checking in!
Bad science. Fat people were shamed so hard they never went to the beach.
Source: me.
Now fat people in their underwear are normalized on billboa
It makes sense though.. if you look at how drastically different our lifestyles are now. I sometimes feel we are headed for âIdiocracyâ level issues if we keep going the way we are.
I was there lol. The late 60's is when diet food first appeared including artificial sweeteners. Now this is the same time period when Twiggy appeared so all normal sized people like me starting using all this crap to get thin like her. I was working at Boots at the time so remember it well as it was the first time we started selling "food".
Also the carb heavy food pyramid came out and all those diet drinks, diet bars, diet shakes, diet yogurts etc have since been debunked but they were "sold" big time on advertising.
This has really made me think, well also we didn't have fitness centres or gyms either. Other than the baths I can't remember any other exercising except we walked a lot more than today, some people had bicycles and the majority of the working class didn't have cars.
Overindulgence.
Fat people donât like beaches.
High fructose corn syrup became the norm
Full-time working mothers of young children was equally uncommon. They were at home making sure the children have good food and don't eat too much candy.
Born in the 80's we had maybe 1 kid who was fat in our class. Now I'm the fat so in my late 30's ugh.
To the limit!
https://obesitytothelimit.ytmnd.com/
The food was healthy.
So true. everyone was trim back then because there was (maybe?) less access to such a plethora of junk food and home made meals (although fruit loops and bologna) and servings were WAY WAY smaller. Also digital existence means faster everything.
Sugar is the culprit
Right before Angel Keys got people to stop eating saturated fat and switch to seed oils. And before McGovern introduced the food pyramid.
I remember when I watched the Goonies for the 1st time and saw Chunk and thought he was huge, he was interviewed on a U.K. chat show called Wogan about his weight, itâs bad now but accepted back then, either way Chunk now, is not that big in my eyes.
This isnât a conspiracy. Itâs a documented fact
Seed oils
We went to McDonaldâs as a special occasion not multiple times a week.
The sugar industry owns this country.
The Food Pyramid came along in the 70s.
People have eaten richly forever. Itâs high fructose corn syrup which helped suddenly ballooned waistlines.
I remember when I watched I Love Lucy as a kid and Ethel was considered fat I was like âuhhhhhâ.
I don't know; I can think of a quite a few overweight people from older generations in my family (greatest generation, silent generation, boomers). I feel like the ever-increasing availability of fast food options has contributed to larger waistlines in the United States.
Then there is the combination of increasing economic disparity, population growth and modern agricultural processes affecting what type of foods people consume. A healthy diet is an expensive diet.
The study that came to create the very food pyramid we saw in schools and text books was funded by Coca Cola and Big Sugar.
I also think since Coca Cola stopped using coca leaves in the production of thier soda they turned that production to support the medical industry.
We eatin good out here cuh
Around then, lobbyists and corrupt "scientists" decided to enforce the notion that dietary fat - particularly saturated fats were demonised - was the culprit behind the metabolic disorders that obesity is symptomatic of. This instead of identifying the real culprit - sugar. But sugar is like the elixir for social control. It's used to hypnotise children on an industrial scale. People might think for themselves too much if sugar is identified as the main issue, so they needed another culprit. The genius of it is that the more people cut fat from their diet, the more sugar they will eat. This is the vicious cycle that has seen instances of obesity and metabolic diseases sore at an exponential rate.
So were children, elderly, the disabled, nonwhite peopleâŚ
No shit, it's called reduced fat increased sugar. Shit ain't even a conspiracy.
This is known as the era before food-like substances. (See also chemical shitstorm) They ate real nutritional food. Iâm also willing to bet itâs before the Bullsht food pyramid scheme. Just look at the animal world. Which ones are fat and which are lean.
You don't say!
Even fat Elvis wasn't fat.
Baby formula = corn syrup + vegetable oil (corn oil)
Watch Dr. Lustig on YouTube speak about the cause of childhood obesity in the USA.
https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM
This isnt a conspiracy its a fact, pretty uncontested too.
Itâs the fake food man
Food and lack of exercise. Too many tv shows and video games and constant fear mongering that kids are getting snatched off the streets from the media.
Stop eating Seed Oils, folks.
McDonalds here, please delete these images.
But STDs weren't
although you have a point the pictures from the beach are not a fair representation of the level of obesity in the pop. generally obese people are behind the telly, fit people are on the beaches/out and about.
The fatties stayed home in the 70's
And wildly everyone was happy.
Thatâs a lot of white people
McDonalds franchises were on the rise.
The abundance of fast food, high fructose products and shit modified food everywhere is the problem.
Biggest factor is EMFâs, then indoor lifestyles, then shitty food
Cokes
Watch the Woodstock documentary and try to find a fat guy.
This is a well known fact, not a conspiracy. People used to have acces to better food and way less crap.
Itâs still uncommon to be fat where I live, in Europe.
Honestly, as a fat adult, I feel like itâs because back then you were pressured into eating healthy and exercise. Good knows I wish I had that structure in my youth. Working on it now but itâs a tough process.
That said itâs also the quality of food. The fast food industry wasnât nearly as big then and even so the fast food of then was made with more quality ingredients than the high calorie filler we have today.
It all started when we stopped going out to play!! How many of us would leave the house first thing in the morning and not come home till late in the evening? We would eat at what ever friends house we were at!
I am confused as to why this is in the conspiracy subreddit? I mean wasnât that shortly before big fast food chains? Seems like a plausible explanation
Gmo's enter Chat
they didn't have Netflix and reddit
Thick thighs save lives
Here's one problem now that didn't exist 40+ years ago. And yep you're looking at it right now. The internet, computers, cell phones and video games! All of this has made us useless lazey and fat!
I mean...I get the conspiracy, but random beach photos as proof? Lame
Fast food's ascendancy as a large part of the American diet is a relevant data point.
The food pyramid from the 90s made everything worse.
Well you see a lot these people you see in these pictures are now old fat people, as the 70s was about 50 years ago now, and most peoples metabolisms diminish with age. Now thatâs the real conspiracy here lmao
Everyone looks so healthy
I live in an area where itâs warm year round and we are on the water, so lots of outdoor activities. About 25% of the people here are obese. I recently traveled to two major cities in the Midwest of the United States. I was flabbergasted. Every single adult and child was obese. Our rental car even came with these odd seatbelts that we figured out were equipped with extenders, to go around the big bellies. Iâm 5â5â and weigh 140 pounds. I am overweight but comparatively I looked bone thin to the people around me. It was surreal.
How wass understanding a healthy diet, healthy food, exercise, etc so foreign a concept to so many?
I've seen ppl in this sub talking about terrible diets that were an improvement to what they had ben eatting. Blows the mind.
The conspiracy here is that they're hiding how close we are to having the hunger games IRL.
We can't, as a society, afford to sustain feeding everyone what they should be eating.
We need more farms and less cities, but our cities get bigger and our farms get smaller, which is ironic because as our cities get bigger we need our farms to get bigger, too.
Bill Gates is buying farmland for a reason.
You wanna understand why todayâs diet is killing the world? Look for the 7 countries study by Keys, almost a century ago. Robert can help you understand
https://youtu.be/WvXqn6ibOls
Fun fact: The Sara Lee honey wheat bread I prefer proudly advertises that there is no HFCS in the bread. I was like - what, there's sugar in the fucking BREAD? No recipe for homemade bread I ever made included added sugars.
When I started eating healthy years ago, I found exactly one loaf of bread on the shelf at my grocery store that didn't have HFCS in it. Fairly common now, still a shame they feel they have to advertise it when it should be the norm.
How is this a conspiracy this is just common knowledge. Only the obese ones spreading this bs. I was 280lbs in highschool and instead of not caring about my body or blaming a medical condition I dont have. I actually dropped the weight. About 95% of these over weight people can do the same. Over consumption and gluttony that's all this is... oh and american food be kinda wild in sugars and portion sizes. Luke stoltman (strong man) went to America and gained 25lbs in 2 weeks without even trying. He was very confused what was in that food....
thatâs what snacking does to you
Obeste people from synthetic modified fats and carbs, along toxin storage from chemicals in proccessed foods, cannot commit to long term combat, and are less able to use critical thinking.
Basic equation:
-HFCS/Cheap fillers in low cost "food", which is kinda seen as mainstream accepted food in North America for the last 35+ years.
-Sedentary lifestyle and consuming media being the norm starting from a very low age. This is compounded by the need of both parents working their way 40h+ a week to survive and lacking quality time with their kids.
-Almost no incitative in generic public schools for active lifestyle and sports. You have to pick selective schools with sports programs or privates schools to get proper physical education.
-Barely to none proper guidance on nutrition and basic cooking skills in high-school. Yet alone self-sufficing courses which previously included making your clothes, maintaining your house, etc.
Maybe off-topic, but the same goes for general knowledge in Finance and logic skills. This will hit hard in your young adult phase with money management and credit. This is a predatory phase that can break your life in a couple of decisions very quickly.
Perfect recipe for a dumb, cluelsss and unhealthy population. The few that will standout and might thrive, besides the elite, are individuals either with VERY supporting entourage (Parents, family, friends) or with blind luck with lottery odds.
From a neutral outside standpoint, life is a losing game from the start.
The game is rigged to grasp you from the start and consume the best of you until you die.
I wonder if thatâs when all the unchecked mental illness started
Overweight/obesity related issues cause ~3 million deaths a year globally, yet people still want to normalize being overweigh/obese. If you call it out, you're some kind of "fat shamer". Not only is it unhealthy it puts an incredible burden on the health care industry. It's just a shame we are where we are now when it comes to weight.
I mean. Don't really matter to me. I just try to stay healthy and fit. Nature will always take its course. It will just take its course slower for healthy people. (Usually) I do think I should be able to "fat shame". I think people should also be able to call me out if they feel like it. I don't think it should be censored by outside forces.
"I don't agree with what you're saying, but I will fight to the death to protect your right to say it."
-- famous thinker I can't remember the name of.
2 baddies j chillin
T.V. dinners
On the plus side, big fat party animals are always abundant.
And amphetamine was rather common to help remain skinny.
They've been poisoning us for a long time. They view us as cattle.
Everyone is forgetting about exercising. As a kid I grew up pretty much free range. I would spend most of my day outdoors. Today kids are inside playing video games in air conditioned rooms. Parents need to take control of their children and not give them everything they want. Kids need more sunlight and less screen time.
Everyone here needs to watch the movie Branded. There are several movies by that title; I'm referring to the one about fast food marketing. The concepts in the movie can apply to more than fast food.
disco biscuits, home cooked meals, and key parties
Corporate America did this
Vegetable oil.. Polyunsaturated fats.
As was high fructose corn syrup đ
People being unhealthy isnât a conspiracy. Thatâs just a lack of nutritional education and physical activity.
Even people walking a couple miles a day and cooking their own meals would cut obesity down drastically.
There is real conspiracy from our corporate friends about obesity for america as a whole.
Why is this a conspiracy?
I've read several posts and it looks to me like science is trying to poison us...
I don't see how this is really a "conspiracy"
There's more high fructose foods these days, food prices are cheap for 1000-1500Kcal of food. People work more office or not as intense manual labor jobs now. Smoking is an appetite suppressant, and less people smoke now. The advent of the internet and cable TV has a lot of people resting after work rather than going out and doing something.
This isn't some grand conspiracy by some shadowy figures pulling strings. It's just the result of things progressing.
That's not a conspiracy, that's a well known fact.
It almost has to be the food, right? Whatever junk they put in the processed food these days must be causing weight gain. What else could it be?
Back in the late 70s, I lived at the beach in Southern California. The vast majority of people were not fat.
This is sad. They got us.
They tell you fat is beautiful so you'll continue to buy and eat their product
It was uncommon in the UK longer than that but eventually they caught up.
well, atheism too so....
I'm a sick person constantly trying to gain healthy weight. North American calorie and food intake consist of carbs, protein, and fats.
I found that other countries prioritize vitamin rich vegetables and meats that aren't gmo'd to death making them so sugary that their only values are carb.
Ever seen a liver & onion gif? No you haven't. What about a cheeseburger and pie ontop of a cocktail?
Yes culture matters.
Can confirm. I too was slim in the 1970s. These days, not so much. I would not say obese (83kg) but definitely not slim.
Put down the phone. Go outside. Talk to your neighbor. Do⌠stuff.
Now itâs just an absolute disaster haha
Fast food wasnât much of a thing. People actually grew their own food as well
Watch FOOD INC.
It's still fairly uncommon from my experience
What's the conspiracy? Fat people slowly gaining numbers so they can take over the world? Also what part of the world we talking about here?
Watch some of the crowd shots in Jimi Hendrix concert videos, not one obese/overweight person to be seen, every one is tanned to the hilt haha
A few people absolutely rolling on LSD, take me back, I was born 30yrs too late
Now America number 1!
Related variable is the marking of HFCS.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup
There is literally old ads selling things to put weight on!!!! Like how we has weight loss ads everywhere now days
Heart attacks were also pretty much unheard of before 1900 or so.
The introduction of seed and plant oils into our diet, followed later by processed carbs has literally been killing people.
According to the CDC 71.6 of Americans are either overweight or obese as of 2016. Keep in mind, this is using the BMI index, which isn't always a perfect predictor of actual fat percentage. In order to qualify as overweight, you need a BMI of 25, and a BMI of 30 to qualify as obese.
super size...
It's honestly sad, and what makes it worse is fat acceptance. Sure some people have legit medical conditions or are going through a rough time, but we shouldn't be okay with it. It leads to so many health issues. Even on dating apps, like half the women are obese. It's so sad.
It requires genuine, conscious effort in America to stay healthy. You have to put a lot of thought into what you eat, make sure you count your calories, get proper sleep, and hit the gym several times a week. If you want to stay healthy here, you can do it but it's an uphill battle.
It's so frustrating for me personally. I'm proud to say I have lost ten pounds in the last three months, but I'm unfortunately still technically obese. If only I lose a few more pounds, then I'd be only "overweight". Which is not good, but better than obese. I still feel like shit for being fat.
I think itâs because of a few various things.. the food that people are eating, the chemicals that are sprayed on it... the way things are now= fast! The internet has made quite a few people immobile. Then thereâs the availability of doctors and medication to fix these issues... that are really just poisoning people.
Did you know, many people that are obese or overweight are suffering from inflammation?
Can you imagine if you grew then ate a diet that fit an anti inflammatory lifestyle... I have an autoimmune disorder and I think a large majority of women in the US also have them, undiagnosed or not. (Some men too)
This is a particular issue for me. I feel as though my whole body is inflamed from simple things. The inflammation causes me to be tired, not move as much.
I think the government is poisoning citizens though... not just the US likely
Vegetable oil is actually worst than even high fructose corn syrup.
Read the book "salt sugar fat" by Michael Moss
Abolishment of gold standard 1971 led to fiat food Opt out, buy bitcoin
Mental health and the deprioritizing of physical fitness
so was fast food
We are often being told that scientists and officials understand nutrition and why the obesity epidemic is happening. This is simply not true and there are a range of theories why we have this issue. Lately some nutritional theorists are suggesting that the increased consumption of seed oils is playing a large part.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat
Back in the 70s the sugar lobby was massive and they started their campaigns of shifting blame. Fats, carbs, calories⌠all were eventually demonized as more and more processed, sugar laden food was manufactured for the masses. Then, they helped make those products cheaper and more available and sometimes even the only option in certain areas.
Our food is good, but is shit for you and companies make out big by providing cheaper and shittier for you alternatives
Processed foods and high sugar and carbohydrate diet. The food pyramid contributed to obesity.
You can eat garbage fast food 3 times a day and not be obese. 2500 calories is what a grown man should be taking in unless he has a rigorous physical schedule. It's that simple. Sometimes the fault lies on man rather than a diabolical overseeing agenda. As a living breathing mammal, it is your responsibility to figure out how to maintain your vessel. Every overweight person you see in public when you leave your house is overeating calorically on a daily basis.
We stopped living with the Earth and started living on it. Mono-cropping is now the only way to feed the masses.
We are screwed!
Literally everything fell apart in 1971 - draw your own conclusions. https://wtfhappenedin1971.com
I think itâs more than the sugar, oils and corn syrups added into the food.
I think the food is lacking nutrients. Itâs probably more than the pesticides. The soils arenât nutrient dense because of all the chemicals sprayed into the ground. That might be the problem.
So the food is lacking a normal amount of nutrients so the body craves a lot more food than usual to get the nutrients it needs.
Big conspiracy here!
So what is the perfect diet we should all be eating to get back to this?
UmâŚ.yeah? Who the hell has ever said otherwise?
Thats when processed foods became popular and the rest is history
What a great time to live! I wish I had been in my prime back then.
While yes it was not nearly as common as it is today these are very clearly cherry picked images. We 100% had an obesity problem in the 1970's as it was around 15-20%. You can easily find cherry picked pictures with humungous crowds today at music festivals where 99% of people are thin.
Two words. SEED OILS.
Zero sugar... 'nuff said
yeah food has become a lot worse now
Look how sexy everybody is.
Cass Elliot was considered extremely large for a celebrity and probably one of the biggest in the public eye. She was 5â5â and 230 lbs and she probably wore a size 22.
Dom Deloise was also considered âsuper sizedâ at 5â 11â and 325. He even starred in a movie called Fatso. There is a scene where his family is talking about having to bury him in a grand piano case because he was so large. Here is a scene from the movie.. Today, he would be considered to have a larger Dad bod.
In the 1980s, Belinda Carlisle of the Go-Gos was considered fat.
Besides sugar & their genetically engineered âhigh fructose corn syrupâ trash, the establishment tried in the late 70âs & 80âs to convince people butter is bad for you, so use âmargarine â which they had to color yellow because a white stick seemed so unnatural to people.
It was the sugar papers / lobby.
In the 60s i believe they started running a bullshit campaign about fat being bad and sugar good and it had a profound effect even to this day. The entire food industry is so warped because of it.
Yeah all our food has changed for the worse, itâs lower quality and shows in our bodies.
big media and consumer giants want us to be obese because their usually less mentally flexibile making us docile consumers
if you go to copacabana today you'd still think obsesity was uncommon. Althought you'd think fake tits and butts are pretty normal.
so was being openly gay or trans
Blame it on Rio
I blame the rise of cars.
I wonder if it is connected to the removal of fats from our foods...
Scary world we live in
My Xl KISS shirt from the 70âs fits like a small today
HFCS and GMO foods.
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Quality of food matters, but mostly quantity. We have cheap shitty food all over the place. Places like Dollar Tree and 7-11 are often time the primary grocer in small out of the way communities.
These are somewhat cherry picked pictures, as fat people generally would not be at the beach.
Thank the Nixon administration for this. There are audiotapes related to food supplies in the us , and how to change it that will shock you
And it's still uncommon in many countries today. How is this a "conspiracy"?
This isn't a conspiracy... it's just a fact. 70s really brought in the microwave, home TVs, frozen meals went on the rise. Due to machines people had to study more to get different jobs. Arcades soon came then games then more TV stations. I'm just saying the list can go on and this isn't a conspiracy the world has just changed and a lot of the jobs that used to help people keep in shape are now done by machines that we go to school in order to learn how to make while sitting at desk
There are more office jobs now. Office jobs need to include an hour or two off in the middle of the day for going to the gym.
It's because of SAD
GMOs
This will be the major downfall in our economy in 10-20 years when we have to pay to keep all the obese and the ailments that come with that alive as the older run into issues of decades of obesity along with the younger generation who has grown up obese
Yep. There are so many fat kids now. Just wait until they're older. They'll be in the nursing home by 45.
That was before that High Fructose Corn Syrup kicked in. American diet was generally less sugary before that
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Processed foods and sugar...
SEED OILS
And then came the high fructose corn syrup.
I cant be the only one that noticed the blonde in pic 3 front and center with a full diaper...
this was before we started being fed literal poison
Pretty sure this is an american thing. Im from Asia and there's literally not a single fat ppl in my class. There's only like 5 actually obese ppl in my highschool year.
We even had fast food back then. The industry just had yet to hire the business people who created upselling and the perception of value when you got the extra large for an extra buck or two. The trick is all the money and marketing is to get you in the door because you want the (for example) sandwich that does not have a huge profit margin. The drink/fries etc have much larger margins and 10-20 ounces more of those products-the large vs the medium- have a food cost next to nothing so the restauraunt gets pure profit and the customer gets a feeling of a better deal. The rub is those calories add up in the end and so people pay in the waistline. The other way this game is played at places like 5 guys and olive garden is make sure you get enough cheap carbs that you are assured to be feeling full by the end of the meal giving the perception of value to the customer.
That Sugar Film says it all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAtDjwdo524
Tons of obese ppl Just weren't pictured. Case closed.
This is great content. Leave it up to people in the comments proving theories to decide.
Instead of just anecdotes why not post some real data? https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667%2818%2930021-5/fulltext
Yeah obesity roughly tripled since the 1960s
All I can notice is how white everyone is lol. Such massive demographic change in such a short amount of time
And the Mc nuggets think they could beat the Chinese đ
you can go today to a beach in south/central america and see similar images
The food industry has been feeding us more and more sugar and empty calories packed as something else . It all has a correlation with 2 things ; the rapid decline in testosterone sinds the 50âs ( less then 40% of levels compared to that age) and a constant pushing of food that doesnât really feed you . As soon as we stop consuming that and return to grass fed proteins and honest greens your body completely changes ( source ; have been to and from in the last two decades on a big bodybuilding experiment) .
and now obesity has become 'body positivity' and 'dont body shame' and 'dont mental disorder shame'. It has become encourage mental and physical disorders.
Obesity was uncommon then and so was polyunsaturared vegetable oil in all the food. Think about it.
Diversity makes us stronger, look how white those beaches are
People with body issues didn't generally go to beaches then .
The same thing can be said today. The growth (no pun intended)in Acceptance and empowerment of all peoples regardless of body type, ability or station has grown many times over.
Being over weight was seen as a negative in literally every aspect of large peoples lives. Movies, print and peer influence was entirely negative.
Acceptance of people regardless of body shape is a relatively new and progressive perspective.
In long (not short) this photo is a misrepresentation of society at large ( pun intended)
Sugar...sugar...sugar. it's obscene how much sugar is in our food these days especially the drinks. How many people eat a sugar cereal then put sugar in their coffee and then some creamer which has sugar then have an iced tea later in the day and then at night have a soda. Many 12 oz containers of a sweet drink have almost all the daily allotment of sugar in just 1. I'm not sure the exact percentage but I believe I read somewhere that something like 20% of Americans are walking around pre diabetic and don't even realize.
Lack of fiber
Gmo
Yea because food wasnât as polluted or modified as it is today.
Fed Up is a really good food documentary that you might be interested in.
well, where were these photos taken?
I blame McDonaldâs
I teach dance and I have many students who canât even do 10 burpees like straight up struggle really hard to stand back up once theyâre on the ground. It honestly breaks my heart, kids should be full of life and energy and shouldnât be struggling like that. These are biggg kids and they show up to class 90% of the time with a chick fil a cup in their hand⌠itâs insanity. I will say though that I grew up in the north as a kid and am now teaching in the south so there is that but still⌠so many of them are just soo out of shape and completely addicted to fast food.
Itâs Very Simple. You see, Itâs only one natural source of protein that they had more of, back then, âSemen and Sacred Sexual Energyâ. The governmentâs contracted so much of it all over the world during the golden porn era (70s & 80s) and thus made the next generation weak, all due to our free will.
Food began becoming more processed around that time.
Before all the processed food with seed oils
You mean... Before all the fastfood chains and conservants in our food? Who would have guess that
So was heart disease. There's a video on youtube about plant seed oils likely being the cause. Hydrogenated oils are SO BAD for your health. Forget corn syrup. You're actually way better off using lard. It contains concentrated fat soluble vitamins from the animal's diet. Humans can't easily absorb nutrients from plants because our digestive system is more like that of a carnivore. Veganism is a terrible idea. It can help people loose weight for sure, but in a very unhealthy way.
Don't consume seed oils guys.
I want to live during this time...
Blame the liberals for the lack of fat shaming. It's no longer allowed.
Same still in Europe where we have much stricter regulations on food, no GMOs etc.
Corrupt USA government lets corporations experiment on the public as guinea pigs -- what big pharma did with the mRNA experimental injections, big agra was doing in the 80s and 90s with GMOs, Aspartame, hormones in meat etc. The same stuff is starting to happen here in Western Europe but we are several decades behind USA, so our population looks like America's did back in the 80s probably.
But poisoned food supply is a major factor, if not the primary reason IMO.
What is the conspiracy here? No one denies there are more fat people now.
Daamn, look at these skinny folks.. they must me unhealthy or something!⌠:)
Is not hard to find articles about that. Even the WHO recognised this. It has to do with the modern life style.
Yeah itâs crazy, Iâm in Japan rn and itâs the total opposite from America when it comes to body size.
6-8 servings of grains per day, washing it down with high fructose corn syrup will do it.
Itâs the weed no one can control munchies
This is UK perspective - might not be applicable elsewhere, but as a 70s child myself...
I mean - I would never want to go back to that, but I imagine that's why people were generally smaller back then.
What a time to be alive
And wokes are like you need to love it being fat is good and all those bullsh!t.
This no conspiracy, no processed food, half of world starving, not so much utility gadgets, no home delivery of juicy fat burgers.
Corn syrup!
Besides the sugar or the food itself, there is some important cultural things to consider. As a European who's gf has traveled multiple times to America, my partner told me that the food dishes are huge. It is a place where the portions of food are huge. A portion in America is equal to two in a European restaurant, in addition there are also wide roads everywhere. Bicycles or walking are not commonly used that much like in Europe. Everything is psychologically geared towards driving everywhere all the time. Obv, I'm not from there but that's something to keep in mind I think
Back then you had to move more to get things done and you had less shitfood to eat. Both resulting in less sickness. Simple as that.
Our food was healthier and more natural, and people were more active outside. Imagine that.
Work was more physical and way harder than now. So they got their exercise during work. Also, food was way more expensive in working hours per unit food.
Maybe fast food was not as accessible back then.
High fructose corn syrup, sugar and presevatives are in every processed food now so people are getting fatter đˇ
They've absolutely f'd our food up. I saw a girl make a TT showing she now lived in Italy - and she bought the same cereal and stuff that she used to when she lived in the U.S. - but lost 15 lbs. They allow so much junk to be put in our foods here it's criminal.
Wtf did they eat
Big food and Big Pharma are hand in hand
Apparently so were black people.
This is what happens when everything you eat is processed. The switch to vegetables oils and the fearmongering of cholesterol and saturated fats created an obesity epidemic. Eat local, natural and lower carbs and you wont be fat or unhealthy. Meat, butter, eggs and leafy greens will make you healthy and slim. Grains, low fat foods and high carbs and sugars will make you fat and unhealthy.
Western fast food chemically produced food consumption and sodas is the worse diet in the First World. GMOs and marginal organic labeled percentages are corrupted. EG: grass fed cattle eat pesticide fertilized pasture grass. Benzine laced processed foods permeate all commercially sold grocery foods.
Seed oils
Obesity is still uncommon outside of the US
You've never seen a renaissance painting have you?
Now that's what I call a conspiracy.
There is a good reason why Jerry Jones played lineman at Arkansas. Wasnât no big guys back then.
No bald people either
Look like blacks was also
Hospitals and food industry are some of the largest employers in the nation. Big Pharma funds medical schools. There is massive benefit to keep us eating as much as possible so that we become as sick as possible. Just follow the money, simple as. If this interests you, check out the latest episode of the podcast Honestly with Bari Weiss, with Dr. Casey Means.
Cos everyone was skint and no fast-food....
Im fat amd getting fatter as the months go by i try to stop drinking coke and eating chocolate but i crave them like mad, ive gotten my other addictions under control,no longer smoke,no longer take drugs or drink alcohol,but this is gonna kill me if i cant stop before its too late,i guess when most men hit 40 they get heavier so i dont expect to become 10 stone again but what advice would you give someone in my shoes,please dont be asses about it,im worried about it all the time
1st world gluttony
We are being poisoned and experimented on, none of the foods or issues being discussed here exist outside of America, why do you think that is? Who invented these foods and systems and what was the real intent?
Timely discussion on Tim Pools podcaast
Men Are Being DESTROYED, Luke Says Food Is Poisoning Men & Weakening Them
Well there wasnât fast food on every corner back then and everyone cooked home meals and rarely ate out.
Corn syrup and fast food are big industries that make a few powerful people very wealthy. Who doesn't love a good hamburger and a coke?
As a former type 2 diabetic, my Dr sent me this awhile back.....explains almost all the issues we face today.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat
I am not sure how to add a formal link to a YouTube play list or how much this Reddit minds outside links.
So I will add my Health related play list that is NOT COMPREHENSIVE but touches on a few important issues that I believe have resulted in the increase in metabolic syndrome and associated disease and obesity.The prime candidates for population wide problems are Refined Sugars with a big nod towards the High Fructose Corn Syrup and to the modern seed oils starting with cotton seed oil and finally an associated factor that would be Vitamin-D3 deficiency that also needs a healthy amount of magnesium that is now also deficient in the western diet.
You need to add the domain for YouTube to the front. If it is ok to add links anyone can feel free to add a full URL for this play list in a comment to this comment. If this breaks any rules I will try better.
playlist?list=PLosqHY2mcugRP1Ff42B0Q578zj3WSK50t
There are over 2k comments and a good portion of them place the blame on Sugar or seed oils so this is not a conspiracy to a LOT of people. The sad fact is that this is a conspiracy to a lot of sheep.
My mom could be in that picture.. I go there everyday. There's almost ZERO fat people there, lol. We are gym addicts..
Proly true but I imagine back then they didn't feel so comfy at the beach with all the beach bods... especially in places like California.
I went on r/conspiracy to see what crazy conspiracy theories there are. This isn't a conspiracy, this is an obvious statement of fact, everyone knows obesity rates have been increasing especially in the US. Seriously what does this have to do with conspiracies? How is a widely accepted statement of fact a conspiracy?
How can we trust a slut.
It has nothing to do with trusting me and everything to do with objective data
Seed oils
One word-prozac
How is that a conspiracy, thatâs just a fact lol
70s - the time of insanely captivating music - analog technology / incredible creative musicians and singers Most people were fit. Incredible directors. Incredible leaders outside of politics. Many powerful movements in the name of good health and futuristic thinking. What the fck happened to this timeline?
Itâs so annoying they are pushing the acceptance of being fat. Itâs so unhealthy, I get that some times peoples medication can cause weight gain but this whole concept of âfat shammingâ is bull shit. You are unhealthy accept it and change it.
Also, âmental obesityâ from a lack of mental exercise (use the brain or it gets smaller over time) and overindulging in fast-food information and instant entertainment junk for thought.
Sugar, Seed oils and carb based diet
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup
Introduced in the 1970s.
This is Soviet Union. They didnât have enough to even eat so of course everyone was skinny
Yeah because there was nothing to do at home. So you were always out! Cars were expensive. That and obviously gmo nutrition now.
High-Fructose Corn Syrup
The conspiracy is that the FDA does not regulate what companies can put in food properly. Pharma companies benefit from this, thereâs a ton of money in chronic health issues. The capitalist machine benefits from this. Itâs easier to keep a people indebted (medically) and working more to pay off said debts.
Third picture bottom left, guy with white hat - dunce cap or KKK swimwear line?
No, it's just back then the fat people were too ashamed to come out. Now they don't care anymore.
Those are beach shots. Take some pics of the local Denny's.
How is this a conspiracy⌠people didnât have as much money and they didnât put anywhere near the amount of shit in food as they do these days, not to mention technology has made us extremely lazy
Who cares?
Clearly not you. For shame.
Who wouldâve guessed that more food=more fat.
Truly a groundbreaking observation from your part
Apparently so was any ethnicity other than White đ¤
If you want to know how central banking caused this read this.
fast food was uncommon too
Obviously!
This isn't a conspiracy, its a known fact and we even know why there are so many large people.
This confuses the american
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in theory it's better to eat that crap in the morning so you have more active time to burn it off. Or you can eat cake and ice cream and then go to bed in your diabetic coma.
The food pyramid tells you everything you need to know about the slow creep of fascism in this country. The baby boomers royally messed up this country. Unfortunately, it falls on us to cast of all the lies and fake "norms" and make things right again. IMO, it starts with turning your TV off and implementing some common sense!
The American Fats have taken over now
Sorry, I thought this was the conspiracy sub.
Capitalism drove corporations to make unheakthier food faster, cheaper and more accessible.
More people were eating bugs back then
Is this a conspiracy or just an observation?
yea obesity is what is wrong with society, oh your obese no problem- free healthcare! the tax payers got your back!!
Probably those fat guys and gals were not even trying to get to those places at the time... You know fat shaming was a thing years ago...
You sure they weren't fatphobic?
It was. But not a conspiracyâŚbig Agra doubled down on processed foods and people fell for it all under the guise of convenience. This has been recognized as such for at least 15 years.
What's the conspiracy?
Fucking dumbass showing pictures from the time when Romania was under communist leadership. Ofcourse everyone is fit if they eat the same shit everyday.
Itâs fast cheap food, a consequence of a large cattle industry.
How is this a conspiracy? Isnât this common knowledge?
This is not a conspiracy. Diritos first came out in 1966. The first Taco Bell in 1962. Chicken Wings didn't exist until 1962.
But, these delicious, cheap, & easy to obtain, processed foods were not the only culprit...
Eventhough all these bad for you foods existed, kids still ran that shit off & played outside.
Wasn't until the 80's when Television got really really good. & Nintendo comes out in what? 84?
With good TV & Video Games, we were all FUCKED.
Obesity is now the norm.
No conspiracy. Just Human nature.
Acient Greece, Rome and Baroque artefacts shows otherwise
The fuck is this logic? 3 random pictures = virtually no fat people in 1970s. Ohhhkay bud.
This is probably the only post on here thatâs actually true.
What an unmitigated fucking stupid post.
There were more families together. There were more home-cooked meals. There was less fast food. There was less sugar.
Obesity was not uncommon, at one point in time way before 1970 it was attractive to be over weight.
Ewww
Fat and pale!
but because it was attractive doesn't answer whether it was common or not
So were POC, judging by these photos đ§
the nafta effect
No it wasn't.
That's "misinformation".
healthy food is much harder to access. This is especially true for lower income citizens.
or fat people just enjoy eating/being in a restaurant more?
weird itâs all whites. iâm white
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