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The Universe: ok so here's a book that lets you k-

Light Yagami: murder is cool when I do it

The Universe: Um... wow. Well, the book also makes you see this literal demon who thinks this all is very entertaining and cool.

Light Yagami: still gonna kill a lot of people

The Universe: The book confirms the existence of everlasting and infinite heaven/hell, you know this right?

Light Yagami: yeah

The Universe: And also that anyone who uses this book cannot go to heaven?

Light Yagami: not with this many murders lol

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Just write Satan's name in the book, can't go to hell if it's closed on account of the leader being dead.

  1. Satan doesn't exist in the death note universe

  2. The Death note can only kill humans, non humans are immune to the death note(so goku can't be killed because he's an alien but saitama can be killed because he's a super strong human)

  3. Death note users go to neither heaven nor hell. It is speculated that they lose their memories and become a shinigami(like ryuk)

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So it's really a Mu point.

It’s like a cow’s opinion. It doesn’t matter. It’s Mu.

we need a Friends intro for Death Note

Here you go. It’s been done

The internet is just ridiculous when you think about it

It’s a reflection of Humanity, and we are a silly lot.

That was magnificent!

It’s like to mention that at first I thought you forgot the name plate for L until I noticed I’d confused it for his nose!

I feel like this opinion is going to cause some friction

it doesnt mutter

Like a cow's opinion.

It doesn't matter

I had to fall to lose it all

A Mu point?

Play on words, "moot point"

Pun on moot point

people who use Death Notes go to Mu

Everybody…goes to Mu

🤔

With that logic everybody came from Mu.

/Chrono Trigger.

There is also Jo

r/technicallythetruth

It isnt lying. Users of the death note do go to Mu instead of heaven or hell. Its just slightly misleading that you were destined to go there no matter what

In the manga they actually have a scene where he says does that mean the concept of heaven and hell doesn’t exist or something like that when Ryuk explains it if not mistaken.

  1. In the comics, light says “that just means heaven and hell don’t exist”, and Ryuk says that he’s smart for realizing this. Ryuk could just be patronizing him, but I don’t think there’s anything in the story that contradicts this or implies otherwise.

Ryuk does a little trolling

ryuk does a lot of trolling

mans just fucking up humanity cuz he bored one afternoon

you're not you when you're hungry

have an apple

No. I'll take a potato chip AND EAT IT

im going thru withdrawal

This made me smile more than it should have

Oops

"""accidently""" drops magical murder artifact setting off a chain of events that kill hundreds

Just a modicum of chicanery

kid named finger:

Shinigami named digit

The ending explains to the audience that the truth is the concept of Mu, the absence of life after death. Ryuk might lie about it, but it’s laid out bare for the reader.

The musical version has Ryuk tell him this, to which Light simply responds that he’s sure a lot of people will be sad to hear that.

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🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

I never watched the anime, just suggested this as a joke.

By now, you should have known saying this to the Death Note fandom would be the equivalent of covering your genitals in honey and humping an antbed.

Thursday afternoons?

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2: we don’t know.

The fact it can kill a pussy ass regular ass human doesn’t mean it can kill near invincible Saitama. For starters, is the book limited to humans because only humans are weak enough for it to work, or is it a restriction put in place by its creator? I argue the latter. That said, how do they work? Magic, duh. Regular humans have no magic resistance, but there’s obviously a line where a superhuman has enough magic resist or who’s soul is strong enough that the note couldn’t work on them.

Or you could just legally remove your name. Can’t do shit now.

The Death Note is one example of a power/plot device that was very narrowly tailored for the story it is in. The universe of Death Note is essentially our world but the Shinigami and their powers (Death Notes) exist. How would that power interact with any other magic system? No idea, it’s the only one in its native universe anyway. Would it be able to kill someone with a healing factor? In theory yes, since rule number 1 is any person who’s name is written in it will die, but it feels wrong that someone like Deadpool would just die of a heart attack when he can regrow his heart.

The limit to only humans falls in a similar place. In that universe there are only humans. Maybe it wouldn’t work on Goku, or Galadriel, but what about someone who is half human and half anything else? I feel like it should work on anyone sentient and living but because there aren’t elves or aliens in Death Note’s world all it does is remove Shinigami and animals from the chopping block. I don’t know if it would even work on animals anyway since I doubt a fly has a name.

To elaborate, the Note refuses to kill in physically impossible ways, and otherwise defaults to a heart attack. If you used it on, say, Deadpool, any method by physical damage would presumably be “impossible,” and a heart attack wouldn’t do shit. As a result, I think we can rule out the Note when it comes to extreme healing factors

It's been... jesus, like 15 years since I've seen this show, but don't people only die of a heart attack if the method isn't otherwise specified?

I guess if we were really determined to make it interact with other "magic" systems, it could stand to work on immortals as long as they consider themselves to be human/"a person" in the broadest sense. So since Deadpool thinks of himself as a mostly-regular person, the magic of the note works on him regardless of his otherwise effective immortality, but, it wouldn't work on, say, the immortals who are like they are in Lucifer, because they don't consider themselves to be people. Elves, dwarves, aliens, I think it should also work, as long as it's one individual mind in one body, so no hiveminds and AI units, like you can't kill a geth with a Death Note. (it's not a Geth Note, and that was a joke for exactly one person.)

This is an interesting thought experiment.

joke for exactly one person

I think you underestimate the popularity of both mass effect and death note, even as a Venn diagram. By which I mean I appreciated it

Wouldn't work on Deadpool because his immortality is no longer merely biological, but because he was cursed to be immortal (because he and death are in a committed relationship and Thanos is a jealous incel)

Didn't he eventually lose that form of immortality though?

Also yeah Thanos sucks

Yeah, I think it was that if the method of death is "impossible", it simply fails.

It just reverts to heart attack in that case.

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I think there's a difference between humanity and personhood in this specific case, but y'know, I'm not a dwarf OR a furry, so idek

You also have to know what they look like and think on their face when writing their name .

Also pretty sure it would kill Deadpool he would just get better .

I just want the eyes to see everybody's life clock .

Well, if half-elves exist and are able to have kids themselves, then by the definition of a species, humans and elves are the same species and thus the death note would probably work on humans, elves, and half-elves. Using elves as an arbitrary example of a race since half-elves are pretty common in fantasy; the same applies to any fantasy race that could breed with humans.

If half-elves aren’t fertile, then they aren’t the same species as humans, like how a mule isn’t a donkey or a horse, it’s a mule. If the death note only works on humans, half-elves and elves would be immune.

It's the tool used by the beings who are the arbiters of human death. If they aren't human or they can't die, you don't have the correct tool.

saitama would survive because it would be funny simple as

Saitama would survive because his super power is plot armor. And plot weapon for that matter.

Saitama has many inhuman abilities. He can breathe and fight in space, he can withstand (and ignore) a gamma ray burst that killed literally every human in a 10k radius including all the top heroes (not just regular humans), and more.

Yep, he’s near invincible. Actually invincible would be a God power, it would be Cuthulu levels of unkillable where even if we blew up our sun right in Cythulu’s face it wouldn’t so much as scratch his skin. It’s possible Saitama works the same, and has true invincibility, but for now it’s just near invincibility.

Another options is that by human it means mortals. So the kais or GoDs from DBZ wouldn't be subject to it, but Goku would.

It can’t kill animals tho so that isn’t a full explanation either. Could be that the book needs victims to be subject to life and death and gods plan, since death note lore has everyone’s death planned out since birth, and animals and gods exist outside that plan.

Animals don't really have a sense of name in the same way we do and that's a pretty important part.

Could be.

Fact is death note is pretty generic and we can’t do more but suggest guesses while believing none.

The Death Note could probably kill Superman since he's weak to magic

True. But could it kill a level 1 wizard? Maybe not, since they would be strong to magic. And hell, superman is weak to magic but maybe a Lvl 100 superhuman who’s weak to magic still has higher resistance than a Lvl 20 wizard. Ya know, it still depends, and all we see the death note kill is Lvl 0 beta’s so there’s no way to even guess.

Rule one of the death note is “the human who’s name is written in this note shall die” it doesn’t matter how strong the human is and if the cause of death is impossible then the death note autocorrects it into something that can kill the target

You don’t understand magic systems. In order for the death notes to kill any human unconditionally, they would need to be God level, where it doesn’t matter if a human could explode the universe in a snap they would still die. “Any human name written here will die” doesn’t mean that the book is a God.

Besides, the book can’t even make people do things they lack the ability to do, so if someone is immune to everything besides a supernova then there’s no reason to assume it could cause one. It also can’t effect other peoples actions, it can’t cause a bus to kill a victim but it can cause a victim to deliberately crash. So maybe as long as the human had the ability to kill themselves, like flying into a supernova, the book could kill them, but that’s again working off the assumption that the book is God Level.

If we modified all human languages so names don’t exist in any sense we understand, I assume the Death note would be nullified and possibly death itself.

The death notes belong to Death demons. Long ago, they loved killing and did it often. Now tho, they have an immense surplus of time and find killing a chore. Long story short, the Shikigami kill with names and they don’t even do it often, so it wouldn’t prevent death itself or even extend very many people’s lives.

And there’s also the other possibility. Reruke gets another death note from the (leader?) when he claims to lose his. This, and the fact the death notes are clearly designed and not a natural artifact, means that it’s very likely that God or the Shikigami King would create another way to kill. It’s like if all humans removed steel from the world, it wouldn’t stop humans from killing each other with swords, we can just use another material lol, we chose to kill with steel but why would you think that was the only way?

\2. Unless its the netflix movie in which it can theoretically kill shinigami for some reason. What a weird change that literally never matters to the movie.

You just summed up almost everything the movie changed in one sentence.

I kinda dont agree, I think some of its changes made sense or were even good. Misa not being a misogynistic characature, for example, that was a good change.

Eff.... that movie was SO bad.

We also need a face

Bruh, it’s not that they can’t go to heaven because they used the death note, it’s that human who used the death note can’t go to heaven or hell because there isn’t a heaven or a hell to go to

Furthermore, having Light appear makes sense in terms of both anime's narratives. At the end of Death Note, Light is killed, knowing that there is no heaven or hell for him to go to. While it is not confirmed what happens to a soul after death in Death Note, the rules of Death Parade could be applied here, showing fans that Light, like every other human, has been sent to an arbiter to be judged.

I like this take, the animators that created both Death Note and Death Parade gave Light a cameo in Death Parade

Never heard of that, cool! I saw the epilogue ending of the death note anime tho. I believe that Light is >!the shinigami we see!<

I rewatched death parade recently so it's more clear in my head. It's been a while since I watched/read death note so I can't remember the specifics of the ending.

It could also be something similar to 'The Good Place' which has a similar plot point about heaven and hell. There is a third option of the medium place there, perhaps in the death note universe, if an Arbiter can't decide for a death note user they are sent to the third option of becoming a shinigami

That seems like something a demon would say who gave me a free murder book.

I ain’t giving them out for free man. Apples ain’t cheap these days

ngl dude. Living as a demon like ryuk would be sick.

Like usually it's "oh no what if I die and go to hell and get tortured" but in Light's case it's like "yeah when i die I get to chill with shinigami that's pretty sick"

Like I haven't read much of it and don't intend to but from what I can tell they're kinda living it up in shinigami land lol

The shinigami basically stagnate from boredom of eternal existence. They grow lazier over time, often neglecting their duties / quotas almost entirely. Human lifespans they take get added to their own.

Ryuk intentionally dropped his book into the human world for the sake of satiating boredom. Light delivered above and beyond for him. Light feared death all the way up until the end. That said, he is often depicted to have goals as a shinigami himself, determined to shake things up on the other side as well.

What if Light is >!The shinigami in the epilogue!< and Ryuk was >!once human as well!<

I thought that was a common theory/headcanon

Eh eternal laziness doesn't sound too bad in comparison to "hell"

  1. If Satan existed, nothing would change if you killed him. He's the first dude down in hell.

you can see Light waiting in purgatoy in one scene of Death Parade. It looks like hes waiting in a doctors office, but forever

it is also commonly misconstrued that Satan is the leader of Hell, which he is not. He is considered the ruler of this world, because it is a material plane outside Heaven. When the time comes, he will be cast down into Hell along with those who turn away from God and will be likewise punished.

Don’t mix universes. The rules don’t make sense when you do that. Hell in Dragonball is a place you can escape if you can jump high enough. And God is a football head kid who plays death games with entire universes.

Let’s not assume rules in one fictional universe apply to others.

I feel like if there were a Death Note/OPM cross-over, someone would use a death note against Saitama and it just... Wouldn't work. And the shinigami would be fascinated and gather around Saitama to try and figure out why not, but obviously Saitama can't see them so he just carries on cooking pancakes or something.

saitama can be killed because he's a super strong human

Saitama will just one punch his heart, kick starting it again.

Recently in the manga he kicked a wormhole (literally an interdimentional hole in space), burst into a mental mindspace, and farted himself faster than light from Jupiter back to earth.

The Death Note is NOT killing him lol

Saitama's heart knows better than to attack him

So you mean that Death Note can only kill people from earth, and the concepts of Heaven and Hell are only applicable there?

You solved the stupid Goku/ Saitama argument. All you need is for Saitama to piss Light off in one way or another.

The Death note can only kill humans, non humans are immune to the death note(so goku can't be killed because he's an alien but saitama can be killed because he's a super strong human)

On the other hand, it's not like it's been tested against other sapient non-humans (death spirit/demon aside). They don't exist in that universe, and the demons are probably power enough they could subvert the attempt (in addition to not having hearts the death note could cause a heart attack in).

Also they released a new short Death Note manga where a kid gets the Death Note and sticks it on eBay; causing all hell to break loose

Scooby-Doo is Death Note immune.

Well that's not so bad..... as long as you can find an apple occasionally.

2) this point is debatable as Ryuk wrote the rules with the intention of making humans able to understand it. He likely just wrote human as it is the easiest way to portray that it can’t be used to kill a shinigami while also portraying its main use, to kill the intelligent life on the current planet.

The lore is based on the Japanese gods of death which preside over all life, so it can be inferred that it would affect extraterrestrial life

honestly that 3rd thing doesnt even sound that bad. Its basically just "death" in a sense anyways but then you get to become a cool death demon. Sounds pretty sweet.

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Well anti-social in an older definition is literally against society/social activity etc.

This post was using the older definition imo, one that would describe psychopaths as anti-social.

Suddenly Videl's Father drops over dead.

Rest In Peace, Mr. Satan.

A different objection then Mr. TheRed has, Satan isn't the leader of hell, nor does he hold any special position.

He's just a cool cool dude

Literally trapped in ice from the waist down, according to Dante.

Common misunderstanding about the bible, it actually says satan is just another soul in the place of the damned.

Citation?

EDIT: IIRC the Bible says next to nothing about Satan, at least not as he is imagined by modern Christians. i.e., the Satan we see in Job is not a devil from Hell, but essentially Yahweh's agent he sends to test people (which is why Satan is talking to Yahweh at the beginning). Hence ha-satan, literally "the adversary".

If there were such a passage, I would expect it to be in the Pauline epistles, but I don't think there is one in there.

Imadeitthefuckup.com/trust-me-bro

To correct them, Satan is not currently in hell and one day will be (somewhere in Revelation)

One of the only proper analogues we have on the concept of a big bad satan in the Bible is in the book of Revelation, which we know was written by John.

John.

We don't know which John. We only know it is attributed to "John". There is millennia of debate about this, and the theologian inside of me personally questions why Revelation is canon in the Bible in the first place.

I recommend you read the Sandman's Season of Mists to see what happens when Hell's CEO decides to quit.

Satan translates to adversary, samiel would be the closest to their original name

Satan is just a prisoner, a Kapo at most, not a warden.

Satan doesn't run hell! He's actually thrown into hell to be punished

IIRC There is no heaven or hell in universe. It is mentioned in one of the “intermission” slides that there is no afterlife for humans.

Doesn’t ryuk say he won’t confirm the existence of heaven or hell, but promises light that users of the note won’t go to either (instead going to purgatory or something?) been quite a while since I read it though

Early commercial info slides say that humans who use the death Note cannot go to heaven or hell

Some of the last commercial info slides confirm that there is no afterlife

Can't go to heaven or hell if neither exist.

Eternal life as a shinigami is the punishment for using the note. They do a decent job of depicting it as a worse fate than fading away into nothingness post death.

Would it be eternal? Shinigami can die by atleast 2 ways so wouldn’t they also just fade into nothingness.

That is definitely not in the manga

Ryuk initially says that users of the Death Note cannot go to Heaven or Hell.

Near the end of the series there’s a conversation where Light comments that he’s “figured it out”: humans who use the death note will never see Heaven or Hell because humans don’t go to Heaven or Hell anyway (using the book has nothing to do with it).

If there's any validity to the crossover in Death Parade, there's a semblance of Heaven and Hell, but it's not really the Western idea, and Light makes a lot of eternal judges confused and upset.

The... are you telling me there's a Death Parade / Death Note crossover?

He makes a non speaking appearance in the episode focused around Ginty.

Yup, the non-speaking appearance the other commenter said, along with his murder spree being hinted at for several episodes leading up to it. Everyone in the afterlife/judgement-realm is like "holy cow there's a lot of people dying, we can't keep up with processing this many, what the heck is going on up there???" And then when we see Light they're like "so we figured out what was going on up there"

Slightly unrelated but they also make a cameo appearance in full metal panic fumoffu. https://youtu.be/s4TGZrHHTdQ

There is an anime called Death Parade which deals with this and Light appears to make an appearance.

Humans are sent to Arbiters to be judged after death, they explain our understanding of heaven is reincarnation and our understanding of hell is eternal nothingness.

So heaven and hell don't exist, but they have their own in universe version

they explain our understanding of heaven is reincarnation and our understanding of hell is eternal nothingness.

is that not the opposite of Buddhism?

So, I know that the show is very clear about how using the Death Note is a terrible idea. The show's conclusion is that murdering people for a cause is both immoral and ineffective.

I still think I'd go for it.

What's your cause?

I would kill powerful assholes. Politicians, capitalists, those sorts.

I was very disappointed when I found out the show/manga was a person-level drama story instead of a society-level story about a world-wide revolution caused by a very determined kid who had a real clear idea of sending a message by killing people who had done clearly identifiable acts of evil, so that people in the world would go “oh. Oh! SHIIIT! We better Stop!”

Anime does that bait and switch all the time and I seriously dislike it. They often spend lots of time worldbuilding and then don't use it.

Like when I watched Carole & Tuesday and thought it was going to be about the resurgence of human created art toppling the giant auto manufactured music industry, while the main character break free from their respective shackles and societal circumstances. Then it turned out the actual plot was about just winning an X Factor style song contest and barely anything actually changed.

It’s like a huge linear scale of storytelling and on one end is “the entire nation of Japan” and on the other end is “Brandon Sanderson” or something

You dissing on mah boy Sanderson..?

Praising, for being the opposite of Japan

To me, that's what makes it believable.

A single person killing whoever he doesn't like leads to anarchy or a dictatorship. And make no mistake, most everyone would eventually devolve to that point when giving power to anonymously kill with no personal repercussions.

I don’t need believability in my killing book story though, I’m hoping for a grand epic. Also in the form it actually took it is about a narcissist supergenius with a demon vs teenage goblin man who has a single letter name, so believability was maybe not the primary quality the author aimed for

I don’t need believability in my killing book story though

But Death Note is a well-regarded, widely respected, worldwide multimedia (manga, anime, domestic and international tv productions, movies, musicals, books, etc.) phenomenon precisely because of it's hard magic system and "believability". Kids in both Japan and in hundreds (seriously) of countries abroad who normally would never have read either an occult story with hard goth aesthetics OR a "grand epic" about some melodramatic one-sided crusade for justice flocked to this story in droves because at it's heart, it's really just a tightly written supernatural detective story with enjoyably written genius level protagonist and antagonists playing a deadly game of cat-and-mouse. The story is critically acclaimed (more or less) and as popular as it is BECAUSE it's doesn't break it's own internal rules and because it's sticks to the real world and "believability" as much as possible.

The story would be less popular and probably less well liked if it was less believable. The evidence for that is all the other stories with similar premises or mechanics (including all the copycats) that have failed to be as popular or well-liked. Because most other people DO need "believability in their killing book story". It's why we're all still talking about it almost 20 years after it was first published. That's the element that elevated the story and gave it massive worldwide appeal across many different languages and cultures and at this point, generations.

so believability was maybe not the primary quality the author aimed for

I mean, it kind of was. According to an interview with the author of Death Note, Tsgugumi Ohba:

Were there any ideas that you specifically wanted to express through this project?

The basic underlying idea was that “Humans are not immortals and once they are dead, they do not come back alive again”. This is to indirectly say that we should all treasure the present and live our lives to the fullest.

That's a pretty "believable" moral to his story.

Also in the form it actually took it is about a narcissist supergenius with a demon vs teenage goblin man who has a single letter name

Consider the fact that much of the character design and even naming of characters was made in a collaborative process or even delegated to the artist (who is NOT the author) and the editorial team at Shonen Jump. Evidence:

L’s death was initially just an option. It was after the story had reached the point in which Misa was captured that everyone in the editorial team felt that “L’s death” was the way to go.

I wanted L to be an extremely unorthodox character to contrast with Light, who is supposed to be a brilliant and outstanding student.

I left all the character designing to Obata-sensei and my only request was that Near and Mello should embody the essence of what L was like.

So I wouldn't take the character designs so seriously since the author didn't really care much about them besides them conveying some basic plot ideas (L should look weird, Mello and Near should resemble L's personality). Even something as important as L's death was actually a decision made by committee with the editor's of the magazine. This isn't to say we shouldn't care what the author thinks; we should, but those parts of the story DON'T REFLECT solely what the author thinks, since he only played a one role of many in those decisions. We also already know what the author thinks:

I did not put much deep thought into subjects like “life and death” or “justice and evil”. I wrote the story hoping that it would be good entertainment.

Believability is the most important quality that made Death Note "good entertainment". Clearly, the author does care about believability, more than they do crusades about justice or even wacky character designs.

Translated interview link: https://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=21396363&page=1

I mean if they were an intelligent person with a genuine interest in making the world a better place they could target the worst people who are untouchable by any other means.

The absolute power will corrupt them at some point, imo. There may be some people of such incredible moral fiber that they are not tempted, even on their worst day, but they would be a very rare exception.

It's why I'd burn it if I ever got my hands on one.

I think almost anyone would be tempted to be irresponsible, and I've met truly few people who could be trusted with a ton of power with no oversight or consequences for misusing it.

But I think there do exist people who have a broad enough view of the wellbeing of the species that while they are tempted to misuse it, they could resist killing people wantonly simply because it was easy. That said, finding such a person is hard, you'd basically need to do a trial run with the book where a person merely thinks it's working.

And there's people who would be killing people just because they get off on that shit.

leads to anarchy

I don't see the issue. That'd be the primary goal of me killing capitalists, lol.

Anarchy is how technological progress dies and we revert to an era of warlords and tribal warfare.

You might like Akumetsu.

Yessssssss. If you want a murderous teen revolutionary who does affect the world through the act of killing verifiably bad guys, there is nothing better than Akumetsu. Bonus points for sticking the landing, which Death Note fumbled imo.

Death Note is both. The society-level story is integral to the plot.

Uh

Death Note clearly becomes the 2nd type towards the end. Have you even read/watched it?

The show did describe how the world changed though.

Yeah but targeting murderers is a baby choice. Should have targeted famous anti-green politicians, or transphobes, or whatever other thing that isn’t so “apolitically” bad. Everyone agrees that murder is bad. There is no pro-murderer movement.

Yeah which is why Kira became so popular with the masses, he was doing something fairly uncontroversial.

I read somewhere that the creators said the manga would’ve gone more in that direction if it was a seinen rather than a shonen.

We need a story like this

That was brought up in the latter half of the series. It's clearly stated that crime worldwide has dropped and many wars have ended because of Light, and even the FBI and CIA have stopped investigating him because of all the societal benefits.

broke: killing criminals, many of whom are criminals because of lack of opportunity, marginalization, and poverty

woke: killing for-profit prison owners and politicians that block social welfare programs

Sucks to be Light, I'm just built different.

I mean his dad is a cop, what did you expect?

Yeah, there are a lot of powerful people in the world causing far more misery than a murderer who has already been caught and is receiving their punishment. I guess he thought it would act as a deterrent to people, but Japan already has the damn death penalty, it's fairly well documented that capital punishment doesn't work.

Also, there's warlords, dictators, oligarchs, politicians, and tons of others that all get away with awful shit because they have money and influence. The problem is when you kill powerful people, it can be very hard to predict the results. You kill a warlord or a dictator, and suddenly there's a power vacuum and you get an increase in violence. How would the US government respond if someone just started murdering politicians they didn't like? It's hard to know how things like that would turn out.

Don't forget the attorneys who help write the corrupt laws and judges that uphold them!!

Every day, kill the richest person in the world.

Two weeks in, almost every major country in the world makes it illegal to publish the wealth of the super rich.

Kill the legislators, then proceed as planned.

I like the cut of your jib

Oh hi Light Yagami.

Surely I will avoid the same pitfalls.

In the story he can force people to do stuff before they die, so he could just force the person he kills to disclose the names and net worths of all their rich friends

No, you can't have a fixed plan. If you create a pattern like that, then the authorities can manipulate the pattern to find you, arrest you, and take the Death Note.

You have to use the Death Note sparingly and randomly. You use the book just often enough that the increase in deaths blends into the background data. That way, you can wipe out the worst of the worst for decades and slowly bend the course of history in a better direction.

I get that thinks are more organised on Mirrodin, but in our world? The authorities don't have their shit together. Besides, I've got the advantage that few people would believe an artifact like the Death Note actually exists.

What? How? How would they ‘manipulate’ the pattern to find you?

Fucking watch the show

I have.

Again, please tell me. How can ‘killing the richest person every day’ lead to your arrest?

See I think that’s the plot of the musical. The Irl problem with that is nothing is being set up in opposition to the capitalists and organizing is mych more effective then wonton murder & then we get into the whole concept of revolutionary terror sure the guillotine killed alot of horrible monarchists but it eventually turned on the revolutionaries.

Killing billionaires.

Blood for the blood god! Skulls for the skull throne!

Wait, no--

In the show, Kira takes over the planet, and it's confirmed following the takeover that crime rates have gone way down while general well-being has gone way up.

The conclusion may be that murder for a good cause is immoral, but it's clearly depicted as effective.

Idk about ineffective that shit seemed very effective

You can't go to heaven nor hell, if you use the Death Note, there's literally nothing after death for you

Can't go to hell either

The Universe: The book confirms the existence of everlasting and infinite heaven/hell, you know this right?

"All humans go to mu (nothingness)" - so not really

Right after Ryuk tells him Death Note users don't go to heaven or hell, Light figures that it means neither exist

Light's kill count had already reached triple digits by the time that conversation was finished

Also they're not allowed in heaven OR hell. They're doomed to just float in limbo or whatever happens after death

The Universe: ok so here's a book that lets you k-

Kid: I'mma sell it

The Universe: Wait, you can't do that!

Honestly I would probably use it too

The book actually confirms that ||heaven and hell do not exist. Ryuk initially tells light that the users of the Death Note cannot go to heaven or hell, but there's a twist later in the story where it's revealed that nobody can go to heaven or hell.||

They don't go to hell, in DN all humans go to the same place.

What does happen is that by using the death note you are gaurenteed an unhappy death.

WAIT. So if you forced someone else to write names for you, could you still have a chance at heaven? Idk, Maybe.

I think according to lore, the one who uses the death note doesn't go to heaven or hell, but has their soul annihilated on death, which would make it sensible to use the death note to avoid hell.

Light was the original sigma male