Love the simplicity. Looks great too.
Love the simplicity. Looks great too.
It does look great! Why though? So you can easily pack it with rest of your stuff when you move?
Don’t get me wrong it’s fantastic. I just struggle with if or how I would use the flat pack aspect.
Shipping it to a buyer flatpack is much more eco friendly than all the wasted space of shipping assembled.
Same reason Ikea furniture comes flatpack.
Eco friendly sure. More importantly (to ikea) it's far cheaper
Edit: not sure why I'm being downvoted - ikea business has been built in the principle that flatpack furniture can be shipped smaller so is cheaper to store and cheaper to transport, hence they can sell such cheap furniture
More efficient shipping tends to be cheaper, and more efficient shipping tends to be better for the environment.
If only we put the environmental costs on the user like this in other scenarios, we'd all be better off.
Tbh, we do put the environmental cost on the user and it fails every time.
Plastic bottles are actually hard to recycle for example. The end user also has no choice with the material. Its also harder to police millions of people.
If you throw it on the company and say yes, you can sell coke, but to ship it ot has to have use under a set amount of energy and they are in charge of making sure the entire life cycle is considered.
There is a lot more resources at a company to make sure all of those things happen.
Ikea flat ships things to save cost. This is because they pay for things like fuel, which directly relates to how much material you can move in a fixed size truck. Saving fuel is more environmentally efficient.
The financial cost is pretty directly linked to the environmental costs. This is a good thing as it encourages environmental efficiency.
This breaks down when you shift the cost to someone else. For example, if you have to pay money to recycle or throw away something, you as an individual have an incentive to dispose of it illegally. This does not remove the costs, it amplifies them (think recycling tires vs pulling them out of a river) and shifting them to the public. There is only an individual cost if you get caught, and even if you do, the fine probably is made up for by the other dozen times illegal dumping occurred. The same applies to businesses that will accept the fine as a cost of business.
To do the same thing with plastic recycling, you need to do what you suggest basically. Make the producer responsible for the product life cycle, or build a mechanism into the product life cycle that has incentives for environmentally conscious actions. In other words, like fuel, we align the cost of doing the wrong thing with the individual.
For plastic bottles, a refundable fee can help with this. It also works with automotive parts (core charge). This could be carried over to numerous recycling, or at least proper disposal methods.
It's simple really. The producer has to pay for the disposal, build that cost into the product sale, and provide an incentive on completion of the life cycle to the consumer (refund). This will align costs and encourage efficient disposal or recycling.
For the Ikea model, the incentive is financial which alligns with the primary motivation of a company.
We agree on a lot of things, but you are ignoring what happened with plastic bottles as well as what happens with plastic automotive parts. Metals im far less concerned about as they have enough scrap value that junkyards actively search for them (again, financial incentive).
Plastic bottles actually have a tough time getting recycled. Most are not. That is just accounting for the plastic that actually gets to the land fill.
Sources for recyclability difficulty claim: 30% actually gets downcycled and only after that, ends up in a landfill.
For automotive, thats my world. Polyamides (nylon) are tough to recycle.
Developments have been made making it possible to recycle PAs, but thats recent and not wide spread.
On top of this, and I cant give you a source to this as its a company internal study, PAs with more renewably sourced ingredients do not have the same material properties and are overall more expensive, meaning we dont use them because financial incentive is not there.
Polypropelene (PP) is a little more viable, but again financial incentives are not there.
In conclusion:
Ikea is an example where the financial incentive works out in favor of doing the ecologically friendly thing. They capitalize on it by putting it in marketing. If it were not financially viable, i guarantee they would not do it.
Plastics in general do not have the recyclability people claim and the infrastructure to support it is suspect. PETs, the most recyclable plastic, often has a down cycle of one reuse, then is commited to a landfill.
Companies have no financial incentive not to continue using limited use plastics, so they will continue the practice of specifying these plastics.
The customer has no choice in this and its hard to control the outcome of the products they use once it reaches end of life. Releasing to the customer is like pandoras box from a design standpoint, from personal experience.
In the end the most viable way to create better outcomes is creating policy that regulates the practices of suppliers and puts the onus on them to either release a product that will be properly disposed of or that ill effects of disposal in a landfill are negligible.
Again, I do not think you are seeing my point on plastic in particular.
If the costs don't align, we have to make them align. Producers need to be responsible for the life cycle of the plastic.
If that means it can be recycled, great, but if it needs to be landfilled the cost of doing so need to be born by both producer and consumer today, not by their grandchildren tomorrow. If coca cola was responsible for the landfill costs of every bottle of their's that made it into one, you can bet they would reconsider using single use bottles.
Now you might not be able to directly attribute every bottle back to the producer, but you can certainly tax them for the equivalent cost. They'll quickly consider alternatives.
No, I do. I can copy and paste your points, then give you where I addressed them:
Regarding who should have responsibility of recycling -
Producers need to be responsible for the life cycle of the plastic. - Jsimpson81
If you throw it on the company and say yes, you can sell coke, but to ship it ot has to have use under a set amount of energy and they are in charge of making sure the entire life cycle is considered. - Mysteriousdeer
Regarding the power of the end user
If that means it can be recycled, great, but if it needs to be landfilled the cost of doing so need to be born by both producer and consumer today, not by their grandchildren tomorrow. If coca cola was responsible for the landfill costs of every bottle of their's that made it into one, you can bet they would reconsider using single use bottles. -JSimpson82
To preface, I think this is inherent, but the end user does not have a choice of packaging. They have an offering at a convenience store or grocery store. If they want a pop the choices are very small and competition is limited with non plastic based beverages. Regardless, further my response:
Plastic bottles actually have a tough time getting recycled. Most are not. That is just accounting for the plastic that actually gets to the land fill.
Sources for recyclability difficulty claim: 30% actually gets downcycled and only after that, ends up in a landfill.
So to that point, even if the end user would like to recycle a majority of their products, they can't or its a moot point. The supplier has specified a material that makes it so they end user cannot carry through.
Even further I can tell you do not work in a field of product design because you haven't dealt with the craziness that is what happens "in the field". The world of the consumer really is pandoras box for products. That includes how they use your product (bottle used as meth crucible) nor how they dispose of it (Same story).
The assumption shouldn't be that your consumer is responsible. My take is I specify requirements that remove liability to me because I explicitly state "do not take these beyond these conditions". However that is a cop out for environmentalism. You need to assume that the products do no end up in a proper disposal facility with the case of plastics containers and you need to specify design and plans to accommodate for that.
Now you might not be able to directly attribute every bottle back to the producer, but you can certainly tax them for the equivalent cost. They'll quickly consider alternatives.
Again, I think we agree on creating policy that pins it on the supplier. Taxing them for waste not managed is something I'd agree with. Howabout also just making them have to comply from the get go, as in you can't release bottles made from materials that are not fully recyclable?
Everything I'm reading as well as know from the industry is that the consumer ends up not having a choice and has been purposefully misinformed regarding what is possible.
There's absolutely no issue with PET plastics being committed to landfill.
The only issue with PET is how environmentally impactful the production is.
IKEA is primarily a design and engineering house.
They sell the full range of furniture.
IKEA kitchens are well known to be very long lasting. I have an IKEA kitchen that is literally in mint condition after 6 years of heavy use.
When I had a professional kitchen carpenter install some extra custom fit bits - his literal words were "IKEA kitchens are deceptively good. People tend to discount them, but I've seen them last for 40+ years."
Yeah but the bowl isn't flattened so you still end up with a big box
OP probably isn’t selling the pot, just the stand.
Well that would suck having to find a bowl that fits as nice
You can easily store it while you are "between plants".
Flat packing for shipping would be 1/4 the cost for me shipping it assembled.
What about the pot?
You but a pot. I make them to fit 3 different size pots
Not sure why the downvote, just asking if it was one that someone can find anywhere so it has a nice fit like the one in the video.
Not sure either. It’s a common sized pot - and I oversized it about 1/4 so it’s a 1/8 on each side.
People are a little touchy on here. That makes sense.
You could always note down some links of nice pots that fit on the listing you’re selling the stand! :)
If you're selling stuff on Etsy custom fitted to a pot - you still can sell for less due to lower shipping costs.
The savings will be appreciated by your customers.
I'm guessing flatpack so it can be sold and shipped easily.
OP was conceived in an IKEA.
if the plant dies ...................
For real, this is one of those magical times that there isn't a compromise. Everything is done well.
Very 70s.
Looks great! Is there a specific reason for the low cut on the first piece? My instinct would have been too make both cuts halfway.
I was originally going to put a threaded screw into a threaded insert on the other side from the bottom just for extra security because I didn’t think the joint would be enough. Considering the bottom part is 10 inches tall if I cut it in half I would have to stick a 6 inch screw through, and those are not very common to find. So I did a 8” lap and 2” lap to accommodate for a screw, however now since I’ve made a couple (this one was my prototype) I make the joint halfway down as I’m not going that route anymore.
Yeah I was wondering this too. The first part would be more durable if only cut halfway as well.
There’s no good reason. Looks like someone is used to working in metals and such where you don’t have to think about grain.
OP: that spot is your weak point and although you’ve got a nice amount of thickness, that is where it will break, along the grain. Every time.
I would not buy this in its current form until he changes that half lap!
There is a good reason, posted above. Thanks for your input though.
Agree, my first thought as well.
I like it!!!
Thank you!
Cool idea, I'm going to make one!
CNC router or another option?
Looks easy enough to jigsaw. I'd probably make a pattern and then jigsaw / pattern route, but you could just saw carefully and sand.
Table saw with the blade set high is the easiest way to get a really good fit. You can set the fence once and do all 4 cuts by flipping the piece. Then depending on how high your blade goes, you can just finish the cut with a jig saw or pull saw.
I love the fuck out of this.
Looks great! How stable is it? Seems like the curved edges would allow for excess rocking, but maybe the base is big/heavy enough to keep it centered?
It’s actually pretty solid. It looks like it wouldn’t be but it doesn’t wobble.
My stand don't wobble wobble, it holds.
I actually made a reel with this and used that song haha.
I love it. Beautiful and functional. I’d buy one or several!
A++ I Have been trying to think of a nice and simple way to make planters!!
I saw this amazing design in reddit that I may be inspired by "yoink"!!!
knowing my cats, that's the first thing on my mind. maybe a wider base, i don't know, but it looks great, good job
This was exactly my own concern. I’ll
Solid design and execution. 5 stars.
Did you also post on t/beginnerwoodworking? This looks like a good project for them.
You assembled it and I thought "Hey, that's pretty neat." Then you put the plant in and man does that look good
Brilliant!
Love this. I’m tired of the mid century modern look of most plant stands. This has a really nice Scandinavian feel.
I think that is great. I am constantly trying to find neat ways to use leftover wood scraps.
This could work for a nice globe stand too! (With some slight modifications)
Wow I love this
Very easy to assemble and attractive too! Nice work!
Amazing!!! I need 5!
So cool!
Very cool. This is why I come to these subs.
I love it! But does the perfectly fitting pot also flatpack? /s
Any 9” pot will do haha
Very strong 1988 vibes
Love it! It would be so easy to adapt that into a 4-shelf bookcase too
Simple, elegant and well executed. Well done OP! You deserve both a gold star and a smiley face in the corner.
IKEA is gonna steal this.
He can have a table and four chairs same design with five flat wooden tops
Nice! but made for only that specific size of pot
Actually I offer 3 different sizes and 2 different heights
I think the design is very old timey, but for me not in a good way. It reminds me of the furniture in administrative offices. Nice execution though.
Welcome to grade 9 shop class
Looks awesome. They have been selling these for a long while...my nana had an older one was pretty cool.
I do realize a plant stand is not an original idea, however there are none that look like this. Most of them are on legs, I searched online forever and found nothing that looks like this.
Oh i was saying you did a good job dude. Nothing is original now a days but you designed it yourself and to your specs etc....its awesome
Edit: more was adding they have had them forever cause i remember my nanas old one
It is super mid century to me. That really looks fantastic. You need to maybe register/patent that design and start selling baby.
No offense, but those have been around since the 60’s at least.
So? Wood's been around for thousands of years at least. Doesn't stop us from using it.
There’s a bunch of designs that are more Mid century looking however none that look like this. Unless you got a link of one I’d love to see it.
I won't nitpick exact rounding of corners and edges.
But the style (two pieces that slip together in a plus shape with long vertical tabs acting to hold a pot in place) is old.
Growing up in the 70's, multiple family and friends has stands nearly exact to what you built.
It's not a knock on you. Many things are created in parallel unknowningness or even later simply because it's a sensible design.
That's so IKEA, it's uncanny.
Beautiful
That's awesome. We'll done.
Bruh do you have a website?
Designsbyschmidt on Instagram has all My information, my website is currently getting a re vamp
Designsbyschmidt Really nice stuff!
Thanks, your stuff is beautiful
Pretty neat.
Could easily 3d print for smaller versions, or make it 4 legs that interlock.
I like this, very cool.
perhaps when in storage/not in used, it can be designed such that both pieces can be slotted together to be a "flat pack"
Great job
I bet IKEA is already making a copy. . .
Sell it to ikea
I would buy! So cool
Thought I was in r/houseplants for a moment. Those are great and look nice to boot!
I don't normally comment, but that's a really nice design 👌
Is it cat proof?
Depends on the cat
Nice!
I want to make one out of old cutting boards
I think this is brilliant!
How did u manage to make the video so tiny
It was originally a reel on Instagram so it needed that format and I was too lazy to fix it after. I’m sorry.
Good
I am sure half of the people will use this upside down. It has legs! :)
Nice design, well done!
that is too awesome for words.
Perfect, until the one pot that fits into it breaks.
This is amazing! Where can I buy this?
Thank you - all my information is on my Instagram and Facebook designsbyschmidt :)
The only question here is - did you reinforce the bottom stretcher? Because with the grain going vertically, it's easy to break the lower section in the weakest point - vertical grains on the bottom stretcher.
I explained this in another thread! There’s was originally a purpose.
“I was originally going to put a threaded screw into a threaded insert on the other side from the bottom just for extra security because I didn’t think the joint would be enough. Considering the bottom part is 10 inches tall if I cut it in half I would have to stick a 6 inch screw through, and those are not very common to find. So I did a 8” lap and 2” lap to accommodate for a screw, however now since I’ve made a couple (this one was my prototype) I make the joint halfway down as I’m not going that route anymore.”
It's an awesome elegant design. I'm sure you know by now
My materials resistance education went all 🔔🔔🔔🚨🚨🚨📢📢📢 seeing the weak point 😂
Really nice job
Satisfying 😦
As a mover, I appreciate the flat pack.
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