Already exists: https://www.photopea.com/
Already exists: https://www.photopea.com/
Actually, some features in Photopea are even better than photoshop (like Magic Cut) and most work just the same.
I think Photopea only lacks the AI filling stuff.
photopea def has content aware fill (although I'm not sure how it compares to photoshop's)
What does magic cut do exactly? Cause going by the name that sounds like Adobe's subject selection tool.
https://www.photopea.com/tuts/magic-cut-remove-image-background-online/
Yeah, adobe does this automatically. But great that these other tools also have the feature.
He said that it's better than Photoshop's version. Not that Photoshop doesn't have it.
What does Adobe do automatically?
Select background or subject of a picture. https://youtu.be/YOHsBk9676s?t=84
Photopea does the same, there is the initial automatic selection, which is usually what you wanted, or you can adjust it, just like in Photoshop
Yeah, which is why I said that it’s great that other (cheaper) tools have these tools too. But apparently that’s offensive to some.
No it doesn't, it's not fucking magic.
Have you used lightroom recently? It's literally an automatic thing as soon as you press the button to do it. Don't be a dick. https://youtu.be/YOHsBk9676s?t=84
I was a dick. You are right, sorry. TIL.
Content Aware Fill is in Photopea since 2017 :) https://blog.photopea.com/photopea-2-4.html
The dev is making millions per year off the advertising. He’s brilliant.
millions per year? Last I saw he was making $500k from it about a year ago.
Hell that’s pretty good mind you
12 mil CZK is massive. You could even buy a decent flat with that
Before or after expenses? Servers/cloud processing at that scale can't be cheap.
He just servesva couple js scripts, it's all client side. He said in an interview he spends less than $100 on hosting per year
Wow, that's incredible. Way less than I expected for that functionality and how many people it serves.
All the processing is done client side, so all his servers need to do it serve the files. Using a CDN like cloud flare would probably make his hosting costs dirt cheap.
genuinely shocked that adobe's lawyers still haven't come knocking
Every single thing was built from the ground up. It's all theirs not Adobe. Does it function the same? Sure but the code isn't stolen.
I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure that's not how copyright works.
If you copy the entire appearance and functionality of a product, it doesn't matter if you didn't actively steal the code or blueprints whatever.
If Samsung reverse-engineered and released an iPhone clone then you can be damn sure Apple would be after them with a vengeance, and it would be zero defence that it was Samsung's own engineers that built it.
Cool theory. I'll trust that since Adobe hasn't sued them into the ground, that they don't have any grounds to sue them on.
If they don't have a patent on UI layout (and they don't), then can fuck off. It's not how those things work.
Adobe doesn't own the concept of editing images
Its like saying Mcdonalds will sue you if you make burgers in your restaurant and sell them daily.
They probably will... if you stole all the McDonald's equipment for your restaurant and pretending its yours.
Source ?
He did an AmA not long ago, but definitely not millions!
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/c8ru2y/i_made_a_free_alternative_to_photoshop_that_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Here for anyone interested : https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/c8ru2y/i_made_a_free_alternative_to_photoshop_that_is/espi2t2/
Dev is on reddit /u/ivanhoe90
I love photopea, I saw an AMA with creator years ago and was like cool then have used it so much at work and school when I needed a quick Photoshop.
He does one every year or so. Absolutely awesome dude.
I haven't had many instances where I had to edit a photo, but the few times I have...photopea was clutch!
And it works semi decently on mobile. That's compared to literally any photo editing app in the app store. All those are some variation of generic collage makers. Without the ability to actually cut/free move pictures/ basic photo editing
Do the company get to keep your uploaded photos? I see a privacy issue here
AFAIK Photopea runs locally on your browser and no data gets saved to any servers.
I would be interested to see what the performance is like compared to something like Affinity Photo which is written in C++.
I've always looked forward for a product to use WASM (to be performant) as a photoshop replacement in the browser.
Apparently photopea uses WASM so that makes the comparison even more interesting.
Look into web assembly, theres no real performance loss
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebAssembly
https://www.usenix.org/conference/atc19/presentation/jangda
Those links say otherwise. For example:
"Across the SPEC CPU suite of benchmarks, we find a substantial performance gap: applications compiled to WebAssembly run slower by an average of 45% (Firefox) to 55% (Chrome), with peak slowdowns of 2.08Ă— (Firefox) and 2.5Ă— (Chrome). We identify the causes of this performance degradation, some of which are due to missing optimizations and code generation issues, while others are inherent to the WebAssembly platform."
There are a lot of optimizations that are performed by C++ compilers. Native code is also written in such a way that it can interact directly with things like the kernel. Then we also have to take into account threading and things like Intel IPP. WASM is forced to go through an abstraction layer. There will be some sort of penalty for those. The gap is likely to close but there is a reason why JIT compiled code like C# is slower than natively compiled code like C++.
Huh. Last I looked into it I thought there was a 10% slowdown due to it being a VM and a speed up due to some other factors I forget
/u/ivanhoe90
Open www.Photopea.com and disconnect from the internet. You will see, that all features work properly. Photopea needs the internet only to load the latest version of the software (= 1.5 MB of Javascript) into your computer (and run it on your computer).
I would not use one of these services for private photos. Even from Adobe the potential for privacy violations is still high. You're best off using them for stuff you'd upload to social media anyway
It runs in the browser, not on their servers.
You can literally disconnect from the internet and most of it's parts (if not all) will still work.
You can also use the Chrome network inspector to see what data it's sending/receiving.
If he would have sent the data/images somewhere, it would have been easy to find out and there would have been some outrage already.
Not that I’m disagreeing with your actual point, but “people would’ve found it already” is a terrible argument, and it’s one I see used far too often
No idea why you'd get downvoted for this. Every scandal that ever broke was overlooked till it wasn't.
That and every security vulnerability that was found in open source software existed previous to it being found. “A thousand eyes make all bugs shallow” only works if people are actually looking for it, and assuming they are when you’re talking about infosec is a terrible idea.
Yes, but in the case of pieces like OpenSSL, for example, you require a lot of technical knowledge to understand that code and spot the vulnerability.
I'm not a programmer by trade, but I've written some code in my days, while my day to day job revolves around linux and websites.
It's easy to inspect the data that it's being sent out in a browser window and anyone can do it by opening the Developer Tools. The entry barrier for such a inspection is very low.
edit: like this https://i.imgur.com/nJM3BLF.png
I agree, which is part of my point :) rather than saying “someone would’ve found something”, it’s better to educate people into checking it themselves, especially for something like this.
That said, a malicious site could evade a cursory examination by delaying when the request goes out, piggybacking on other expected requests, among other things.
Like I said: I don’t disagree with the original point, as far as I can tell this system does not send your data elsewhere.
I just find the “someone would’ve said something” line of reasoning deeply worrying. It’s been time and time again that honestly most people don’t check things like this, so if your threat model cares about it, you should do a bit of legwork yourself!
Holy shit. Every actor was unknown until they were known. Crazy
If they were meant to be a star, someone would have already discovered them.
God I hope this is a joke.
Did you read the comments above?
Yeah, but you know people will though.
If we only had a decent Lightroom alternative...
Darktable is awesome. Has steep learning curves though
I like Darktable. It's a good piece of software, and it gets double points from me as a linux user, but I feel it's not there yet... It feels rough, unpolished. It's like Gimp vs Photoshop.
I agree in terms of UX but feature wise I feel like it's similar if not better than Lightroom.
Or https://pixlr.com/editor/
Iv used pixlr for a while now. It’s a great website!
I use pixlr
I have used photopea for a few years now. Its a better photoshop by every stretch. And ANYONE can use it, no barrier of entry.
Fuck the subscription model for tangible software.
Just started with this, it's got a learning curve but it has everything
Paint.net has entered the chat
This is the way
It doesn't support MS Edge? I can't remember the last time a website wasn't browser specific.
I used to use PS heavily backin the day.
This has been my go to PS alt for the last few years.
I have Photoshop installed and still usually use this instead, just to avoid the egregious time it takes PS to boot up.
Photopea is great, even uses adobescript.
The best thing about photopea is that the layout and shortcuts are so similar to PS that PS users will have no trouble using it. All my PS mouse macros still work with it.
With chrome you can "install" it so it can be launched like a desktop app.
I also really like the option that lets you save directly to Imgur. You just click a button and it uploads then gives you the link. It's a really fast way to modify or mock up something and show it to someone else.
Honestly cant tell enough ppl about this. Wish there was an aftereffects version lol
not free but https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/ 1 time payment \~22 ipad (and black friday deals) and $54 currently.
also has business bulk licenses, came out to be $12 each for us
photo vs photoshop - most of our artists use affinity photo because it has far better performance for very high pixel images and works good with the drawing pads etc
designer vs illustrator - most of our artists need to use illustrator as designer lacks 1 tool they need (I'm told it isn't a common tool typically, but in our work they work closely with construction and CAD people so they need the tool there)
I have switched to all Affinity apps and have never once missed a feature from Adobe. They are simply stellar and they keep releasing free updates!
Do they have what Photoshop calls smart objects and filter layers to enable non-destructive workflows? That's what I'm always missing in gimp.
https://www.naxeem.com/articles/create-and-use-photoshop-like-smart-objects-for-mockups-in-affinity-photo/
Absolutely! Object linking, as well as adjustment layers, and live filter layers.
Grab the free trial and check it out yourself.
Good, this is very very very gooood. I want Adobe to rethink their expensive ass prices.
Figma is so good. Photopea and Affinity apps are freaking good. Davinci Resolve is just chef kiss.
Good thing that for 3D we have Blender.
Visual Arts shouldn't be something for rich people only.
I had to use Figma for a school project and it was surprisingly easy/flexible, especially for a web tool. I have no idea how well it holds up for real work/actual prototyping, but it was a pleasant experience.
Figma is one of most impressive web-based apps, and the only one I genuinely prefer to any other native app. Been using it for a couple years at multiple companies and it works great pretty much no matter what you throw at it in my experience. The only downside is that if it goes down… you can’t do anything. Rarely happens thankfully.
Holds up great for that and is rapidly becoming the standard thanks to a massive community.
...
What's figma?
We use figma for UX/UI, you can make illustrations too and prototyping is pretty cool too!
figma balls
Photopea does and it's free !
Affinity's entire 'shtick' is non-destructive editing. In fact they have more adjustment layers than Photoshop, and they even have real-time layer effects ("Live Filters") like blur adjustment layers so you don't have to destructively gaussian blur a raster layer, for example. Just slap a blur live filter above it and go back and change the blur whenever you want.
The UX for their layer masking is painfully clunky, however, and the adjustment layers don't play with layer groups and parenting the same way as Photoshop. Certain other QoL things are super annoying and requests to improve them get ignored by Serif devs (just look at their forums for years-old, very long threads requesting crucial features; they're kind of like the Blender devs in that regard).
yea photoshop at this point is adding hacks to their stuff to get it up to date. 10+ years ago the main engineer on the project made a massive blog about how bad and inconsistent psd format was.. and here we are lol
Yes to both. In fact, any image you throw in there – even through pasting – is automatically a "smart object". They have layer FX, adjustment layers and filter layers (called "live filters") for almost any normal (destructive) filter they have.
PS has a few more filters I think (esp. some generator ones), though Affinity does have a really versatile function filter there.
Only things PS really has a leg up on AFAICT are content-aware operations and their new AI-powered stuff.
Also, Affinity has real-time previews on brush operations and live updates as you're scrolling through the layer blend modes, which is just so so nice to have!
They have a somewhat similar thing called live filters that allows for non-destructive filtering
Maybe i didn't hang out on the learning curve long enough, but i found Affinity didn't have enough keyboard commands. Everything is too contingent on mouse clicking to access stuff.
It probably depends on what you're using the program for, but I use keyboard shortcuts constantly in Affinity Photo while painting. Switching between tools, changing brush parameters, merging layers, flipping/rotating the canvas, grouping, selecting and deselecting in various ways, etc are pretty easy.
There are options to customize the shortcuts and even save a shortcuts file for backup. Maybe it just needs adjusted in a way that makes more sense for your workflow?
https://affinity.help/photo/en-US.lproj/index.html?page=pages/Workspace/customizingShortcuts.html?title=Customizing%20keyboard%20shortcuts
I appreciate the follow-up and the link! I'll have to give it another go so I can remember the places where it didn't work in a way that suited me
You can do keyboard shortcuts on everything that exists, create your own, etc. Our office has used it several years and it has always been like that
Same. Takes a bit to get the hang of the changes but works just as well. I'm satisfied with it.
I enjoy affinity’s offerings but I still haven’t found a Lightroom classic equivalent. I’ve tried them all, and none of them just get me through photos the way Lightroom does.
And I hate that because it’s the last piece of adobe software I have on my machine and I just want to be free of that god forsaken creative cloud daemon in my menu bar lol.
Darktable
Free and is more powerful than Lightroom classic.
http://darktable.org/
I have to agree. I recently dropped Lightroom for darktable and I wish I had done so sooner. It's just a lot more flexible and capable. The only thing I miss is having panoramas and HDR merges built in.
My super weird workflow to replace Lightroom is: Apple Photos with Affinity Photo lol
Photos is the importer/library, simple edits can be done literally in Photos itself using Affinity Photos tools (had a neat plugin) including against RAWs, and more complex stuff I click a button, Affinity Photo pops up, I make the edits and save it. Bam done. It keeps each saved edit too.
It’s as close as I’ve got to replacing Lightroom.
But it’s not free, gotta be in the mac ecosystem, and I pay Apple a fair whack of money for the 2.5TB of cloud photo storage (but have a local copy of the library too).
Have you tried ACDSee Photo Studio Ultimate 2022? It has most everything Lightroom has for asset management, and for me it works much better from a performance standpoint......much faster than Lightroom and its clunky database. I still use Camera Raw and PS for image editing though. The ACDSee editor is very powerful, but I don't like its busy and overly complicated UI. If and when I get fed up with paying the monthly Adobe fee, I will just use Affinity, which I also own and like.
Recommendations for editing / saving pdfs? I'm sick of having to pay for 4 licenses monthly.
libreoffice draw is full vector support for manipulating in PDFs. I've used it for that and flowcharts for 10-20 years. It isn't similar to any other editors so prepare to see a very different software. Also inkscape / illustrator / affinity design can do that as well.
If you want just a dummy editor that does a lot of stuff for you.. unfortunately I think adobe's paid acrobat is the most feature one.
funny that you say Affinity is stellar because I use Affinity for astrophotography because it has built in astrophotography tools that photoshop doesn’t.
How about photo organization management, such as Lightroom?
https://www.darktable.org/
Do they have anything like lightroom? I use Lr more than Ps for bulk editing
no but darktable project has been around a long time and as far as I've seen is more popular than lightroom is, and with more features.
https://www.darktable.org/
Where do you see $22? I only see $54
Looks like the ipad version is $22
They had a 50% off deal that ended last week. So you could pick up Photo, Designer, and Publisher for $80.97. I am pretty sure they will have another one on Black Friday if people are patient.
Black Friday deals
Looks like just the ipad ones right now.
On blackfriday deals it's half. Business license of 10+ licenses usually drops it down there as well... you can always buy several with friends etc
5 photo and 5 designer = 10 licenses right there.
They're getting more and more popular though so prices may go up.
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ctrl+mousewheel is the zoom key. adobe illustrator is the only software that doesn't follow that, that I've ever seen... which does what you said, rotates the image.
Are you on a mac where command = ctrl and everything is backwards so you got used to the backwards way?
This is a brilliant piece of software for anyone looking at an alternative to Photoshop. No subscriptions, just buy the software once off and be done with it.
A software model we should all consciously support out of principle.
Between Affinity Photo and Capture One, you can beat the Adobe CC Photography subscription for only the one-time cost of Affinity Photo ($36-75 CAD). Both are awesome pieces of software that are highly optimized vs Adobe’s bloatware.
I tried their Macros for the first time since I had the software. In Photoshop it took me roughly 30 minutes to process over 3,700 images with bulk actions. In Affinity it took me less than 5 minutes.
I just need to actually learn Affinity Photo for realsies.
yea their performance is leagues ahead of adobe. many areas of photoshop & MORE SO illustrator are from ancient times and really need an entire re-write overhaul.. adobe only has 110,000 employees though so who is gonna do that! affinity suite is definitely performance first, from the ground up.
Affinity has a bit of a learning curve, and I still have trouble with its strange ass layering. But it's a fantastic program and I will never, ever go back to Adobe.
As an amateur photographer, +1 for Affinity. It's a great raster editor for a pretty low one-time price, and can replace anything I know how to do in Photoshop.
It’s incredible how inefficient and bad at utilizing hardware Adobe stuff is now. It still feels pokey even on a top of the line monster of a machine.
It didn’t used to be like this. Back in the 2000s, PS7/CS1/CS2 absolutely flew on consumer-grade single core PPC G4/G5 Macs. It started slowing down around CS3 or so and it’s been downhill ever since.
who needs more than 1 core!
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Yea they're constantly adding new tools so keep on the look out. My office always is because on some massive vectors like multi-story building blueprints, illustrator lags like hell.
~22 is the price of the iPad app. Regular app price is ~55
hmm, why am I hearing about this software just now? They need to spend a little money on advertising.
idk man, I hear about all these things several years ago lol
Their DWG & SVG and vector tracing support is shit. I need those things every day. The work arounds were driving me crazy. I really tried hard to switch to Affinity but AI does what I need it to do without any hassles.
Is there something similar to after effects for video editing?
after effects isn't a video editor, it's an effects editor.. and it is only used for very basic 2D looking stuff (like iron man's helmet overlay)
In the industry generally for editing video it is Avid Media Composer.. Up and coming is davinci resolve, which also has FUSION built in for effects editing.. davinci resolve and fusion were bought by blackmagic and are being combined the last few years. It's free to use and then you pay a 1 time fee for fusion to use that.
The most used video effects in the industry is NUKE which is made by foundry and costs sometimes like 10k per 3 months for big hollywood film lmao..
Adobe has their hands in the schools, that is why you are brainwashed to think premiere and AE are good. So to answer your question I'd look at blackmagic's davinci resolve, use it for free.. and if you want effects, buy the 1 time buy for FUSION which is part of the software. It is NODE BASED (same as Nuke and several others) which is very different than LAYER based (adobe crap) for massive projects node based is going to be easier & better, for small edits layer will probably be easier... so be aware it will be very different but something you should learn regardless, unless you have zero plans on going into the industry then just steal whatever you like most and use that.
Huh? It's 54.99 for desktop for me
Saying on the website it's $54.99
I swear by affinity. Definitely lacks features but most hobbyist don’t need many of the esoteric features of photoshop.
Since I am not talented in the penmanship department I end up using the pen tool a lot, which is much easier in affinity. More intuitive.
Unfortunately Affinity doesn't work at all under Linux (Wine), whereas at least the older Photoshop versions (like CS 6) work fine, and so does Photopea.