The Blood Debts music is really the icing on the cake here
The Blood Debts music is really the icing on the cake here
You've unlocked: THE GOOD ENDING
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Not as bad as the special editions.
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Just looked up their thread about the altered Fight Club ending.
This shit is unreal.
You don't have to look it up, they've come here to show us instead!
The one about the author saying that was how it ended in the book he wrote and that he's been dealing with US censorship for the past 25 years?
For the book's ending, the CCP edit is closer to the book. In the book, the bombs fail to go off, and police arrest and institutionalize The Narrator in a mental asylum. In final paragraph of the final chapter, one of the male nurses at the asylum whispers to The Narrator, 'We'll be waiting for you, Tyler.' Which is how you get Fight Club 2 and 3, but the CCP certainly wouldn't want to have some insinuation that a domestic terrorist being re-educated/treated/whatever could a) relapse into terrorism b) helped by attending radical staff.
For Chuck's opinion, I'll start with the closest there is to an original source, a TMZ interview Chuck did, starting at 3:00 :
Interviewer 1: What's worse, banning the book entirely or changing the story?
Chuck: The irony is the way the Chinese have changed it, they have aligned the ending almost exactly with the book, as opposed to Fincher's ending [for the film], which is the more spectacular visual ending. So in a way, the Chinese brought the movie back to the book a little bit.
Interviewer 2: So they probably feel justified.
Interviewer 1: Actually, you may be right. Is that possible?
Chuck: I don't think that was their intention. But they definitely looked at the book and said, 'What's the happy medium here?'
Interviewer 1: It's so interesting the way this aligns with the Olympics coming up, with the boycott people are talking about. It is a kind of coincidence, the way this came up at the same time as the precipice of the Olympics. Kind of makes a big statement.
Chuck: It's kind of a statement of the moment. People will always find the movie in its original form. This gives the story a fresh angle and legs right now. So it's not a bad thing.
Interviewer 1: You don't seem upset at all about this!
Interviewer 2: I like your Tweet, which was comical. It shows me that you really are taking this with a grain of salt.
Tweet: Have You Seen This Sh*t? This is SUPER wonderful! Everyone gets a happy ending in China!
Interviewer 2: Which, there's a double entendre there, and I think that's probably not true.
Chuck: [laughing] I have no idea what you're talking about.
Interviewer 1: But seriously, you don't seem outraged. You don't even seem upset.
Interviewer 2: Maybe you've let it go. You wrote the book so long ago.
Chuck: Right. And a lot of my overseas publishers have edited the novel itself so the novel ends the way the movie ends. So I've been dealing with this kind of revision for, like, 25 years.
The most accurate read I get is that Chuck isn't happy with the book being heavily banned in the US (prisons, schools), but doesn't think the CCP altered the film out of some 'artistic authenticity' motivation. He's not happy or angry over the change, just amused at how one the CCP's self-interested edits, which are usually deviant, ended up conforming to the source material.
And the US censorship for the last 25 years is actually overseas revisions to the book for the last 25 years.
Great reply!
How come all the defenders of the edit in this thread, including you, post in /r/genzedong or (not including you) /r/sino?
I resent that remark. I post in r/sino it's just been a while.
That's the one.
The people in that sub are so tone deaf that they can't see that Chuck is roasting everyone who messes with his and Fincher's work. And the really concerning thing is that I have no idea if this is a deliberate misunderstanding or whether these people are so brainwashed that they legitimately can't see what's going on.
I had no idea we had a pro-Chinese government subreddit. What a weird thing to be into.
Damn !! I want the next episode. This parallel story looks amazing !
Is that real? :(
Fortunately no, but it is mocking the very real Chinese censored ending of Fight Club with the same kind of ending card
I was expecting this video to be Ben's message to Luke erased because of their no-ghost policy
This is glorious Patriotic win for China, I mean The Empire...same thing /s
That's really an unfair comparison, and it's sad that discourse on Reddit has sunken this low.
At least the Empire has the gall to admit that they're underhanded, genocidal monsters whose endgame is to quash all dissent.
Reddit moment
Piss off back to /r/GenZedong, you imperiophobic tankie.
imperiophobic
Ironic, considering the thread...
Did you mean philic? Phobic is repulsion, philic is adhesion. Imperiophobic = anti-imperialism, imperiophilic = pro-imperialist
No, I meant phobic. A common trope of pro-CCP propagandists is that they like to throw out the term "sinophobia", so I was just joking about them being imperiophobic, i.e. afraid of the Galactic Empire.
Bing chilingš³
It really is fascinating how different cultures tend to portray rebels. In American shows/movies, rebels are usually portrayed in extremely sympathetic light and almost always prevail against unjust tyranny. While in some other countries the rebels frequently fail even when their cause is just. You're often left with a very bittersweet feeling.
I mean, Tyler and co. aren't meant to the good guys in the original either. Although we are supposed to sympathise with them to some extent.
I was thinking more about Star Wars. I haven't seen Fight Club in a long time so correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't they basically nihilistic anti-heroes rebelling against a corporate society they viewed as bullshit?
At the end, he dealt with his inner demons, got the girl and blew up the corporate society he was rebelling against.
That's how many interpret the movie, but I don't think that's what Fincher (or Palahniuk) meant it. Rather, I think it's about how people who have lost a sense of meaning and direction in their lives can fall victim to nihilistic, nonsensical and self-destructive ideologies.
https://thedailyfandom.org/catharsis-anti-capitalist-sentiments-in-games/
Partially also related to this.
One's a lot more accurate than the other. Maybe America has the rebels win so viewers can feel some sense of control over capitalism instead of realizing how oppressed they are
No doubt, most rebellions end in failure.
I think in large part it's a legacy of America's origin story being forged in a successful rebellion.
I also think there is an element of individualistic vs collectivist cultures having different views on the subject. Individualistic cultures have a strong tendency toward righting the wrong no matter the cost. Collectivists cultures have stronger notions of order and harmony which is obviously in tension with what a rebellion is all about.
Because what the rebellion brings to the masses is not necessarily happiness.
If you look at it dispassionately, the rebellion is essentially replacing the old social system with a new social system, but how the system treats ordinary people is essentially a random event - and even if the new system wants to treat ordinary people well, but the new system may lack the ability to do so - that's bad.
The most typical example is Russia replacing the Soviet Union, where in fact the average Russian is supposed to be worse off than they were during the Soviet era.
So essentially, in China, the tendency is that if the current system is okay, then it's good to continue, and that's very realistic.
Ah a fellow Laowhy86 fan, I see.
I get the joke, but do people actually think China would support an objectively evil empire that is explicitly supposed to represent the United States of America?
Yeah this post makes no sense
Exactly. Like I said, I get itās supposed to be a āHaha, China badā thing. But why wouldnāt China identify more with the rebels who overthrew a corrupt autocratic empire? The CPC were those exact rebels in the Civil War! lol
Plus, the Empire being modeled after the US is true, according to George Lucas himself.
Context: https://youtu.be/jHW066wAI2o This is the REAL ending of the Chinese version of Fight Club that was released earlier this week
This is incredible lmao
Did they actually use the blood debts music in the Chinese edit? That canāt be real
The version I saw had the original music, "Where is my mind" by the Pixies. A clip is in this article:
https://variety.com/2022/film/asia/fight-club-china-ending-censored-1235162643/
The link at the top of the chain is probably an edit of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DU8JylvU2o
Lmao. They didn't even put a fresh cut of the song over it. You can still hear the buildings exploding and collapsing from the original ending's audio.
https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/nothing_to_see_here_naked_gun.gif
WITH YOUR FEET IN THE AIR AND YOUR HEAD ON THE GROUND
Lol and here is the musical reference being made:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoJ32JchVno
Been a while since I saw fight club. What actually happens after this?
Forgot to mention what happens when the screen flickers......
Oddly, the book actually does end with the main character in an insane asylum.
I'd say in this case the ending was not censored by any state authority but by the streaming service provider itself, which is even more pathetic. A marvelous part of typical China censorship is that they tell you it can't be shown but they don't tell you why it can't be shown or what part exactly in the movie made it so. And people have to reconsider their production over and over again to rule out everything that MIGHT be the issue, and that's when the government has successfully trained you to censor yourself. You can see all these digital media producers/streamers (even TikTok users) in China are doing such kinds of Self-censoring even before they're told they can't show it, just to make sure they don't run into any might-be issues.
... and the author praises the cut, stating it's more faithful to the book. To all the morons who haven't read the book... Womp womp.
If you actually read his statement instead of reading just the headline, he was clearly being sarcastic:
"Everyone gets a happy ending in China!"
"Tyler and the gang were all arrested. He was tried and sentenced to a mental asylum. How amazing. Iād no idea! Justice always wins. Nothing ever exploded. Fini."
"My guess is they also omit the flash of penis at the end. And that they pixelate the dildo in Marla's room. Crime does not pay!"
Ah yes these are all statements that show clear appraisal /s
I did read it
"The irony is that the way the Chinese have changed it is they've aligned the ending almost exactly with the ending of the book, as opposed to [director David] Fincher's ending, which was the more spectacular visual ending," Palahniuk said. "So in a way, the Chinese brought the movie back to the book a little bit."
"What I find really interesting is that my books are heavily banned throughout the U.S.," he said. "The Texas prison system refuses to carry my books in their libraries. A lot of public schools and most private schools refuse to carry my books. But it's only an issue once China changes the end of a movie? I've been putting up with book banning for a long time."
Being true to the book is generally considered a good thing... Unless of course, it's China. /Facepalm
Just because the ending is more faithful doesn't mean it's better. It's a crappy cut that, rather than show people getting arrested or anything happening, just says "police won, crime never pays". The still have the explosion sounds in the background.
I guess I just prioritize the author's original message, unlike the "true" fans. rolls eyes
Or unlike the author himself.
Couldn't find any source on that, not sure I believe it honestly. His publishers have been modifying his book according to the movie and he's had to actively fight that bullshit. I suggest you actually listen to his words and body language, he has no issues with the edit and clearly finds it hilarious people are so butthurt about it when the USA has censored his book countless times. I think his praise is really to encourage the outaged morons, those who wouldn't normally even give the book ban a second thought, to think a little bit before they speak.
https://www.tmz.com/2022/01/26/chuck-palahniuk-not-mad-china-censoring-fight-club-film-ending/
He recognizes that the reasoning behind the edit wasn't solely to make it align with the book, but it also wasn't on accident. But sure, continue to find excuses to not like their version. The one that's true to the original.
What I personally find hilarious is that the movie is a critique on capitalism and consumerism. In a society that's attempting to move away from those ideas, it actually fits perfectly for China.
He also didn't praise the cut. He said it was more faithful, but that it fucking sucked.
What's that? You were expecting intellectual honesty from an /r/Sino and /r/GenZedong user?
Not really.
Just because itās more faithful doesnāt mean itās better, I like the movie ending more. More hopeful and interesting. Same with the mist, except the movie is infinitely more bleak.