Strict gun control, free meals, free healthcare
Strict gun control, free meals, free healthcare
Free gym membership for health
yikes, sounds fatphobic
fat is unhealthy, not shaming just a fact
how rude
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A lot of jails and prison right now don't have access to any workout equipment. There is a lot of focus on being your own gym. Burpees for hours on end.
Free education, guaranteed job
Or no healthcare in some prisons, apparently.
And the meals might be moldy.
Even mold can be gourmet if you phrase it the right way!
I see you are Fr*nch.
You should know communists don't care about endless shortages as long as it's 'free'
They like to declare that something is a "right" and act like that eliminates scarcity.
Yeah they really don't want to spend money on inmates. As long as the inmate isn't going to die that year without intervention, they aren't getting care.
i dont want that :(
No misogyny, lots of United brotherhood.
Fisting included
Strict gun control isn't libleft
The drug use and degrading punishments should be of interest too.
So BDSM included? :P
Three hots and a coโฆck?
Take away the slave labor, and you got yourself a Goddamn deal!
A collar would look good on you boy. (Pats head gently)
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Is that an order, sir? Will I be punished if I donโt UwU
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Take away the slave labor
You dare defy their constitutional right to enslave you? Typical libleft commie...
Slave labor? You mean volunteering and helping the community that protects, feeds, houses, medicates, and educates you?
"volunteering"
Pretty sure thatโs just a person thing.
Had to downvote to keep it at 420 :(
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LOL
Kicking in a few more..
โข Entire economy is government controlled
Don't forget the black market that develops because people will always get what they want for the right price.
Doesn't your flair require you to not believe in that sort of thing?
Having left values doesn't mean lying to yourself about the failures of regimes that have tried to institute leftist policy.
Flairs and quadrants are ranges of values, they donโt necessarily have one universal set of rules that people believe in to the same degree
It's mostly deuce/K2.
Donโt forget they get to be freely humiliated by the guards. Bet most lib left are into that
The government representatives are the only people with guns.
Monkey's paw
gimme my paw back!
Also free food, free medical care, free education, free gym membership, and free sex*! No wonder so many lefties visit!
*free sex may or may not be a kind that you prefer/enjoy. If you don't enjoy the free sex, please bribe your local guard with cigs and the volume of sex may decrease
There is a reason some homeless people shoplift and make no attempt to escape... It probably beats living on the street, you have a bed and food
And you don't pay for anything
Other people's taxes pay for it
Damn every time when I use opensource someone else's taxes pay for it??? Going to use it even more now!! PAY THOSE DEVELOPERS, TAXDADDY
Open Source Prisons!
I thought there were repeated scandals about how prisons fleece money out of prisoners and their families using questionably legal methods?
I thought there were repeated scandals
Iโm gonna stop you right there, and say yes.
Thatโs for extras. It isnโt a right to talk on the phone or have potato chips.
It's literally a leftist utopia
Run by a bunch of auths too, just like every other time.
Right down to the wagie cagie
Perfection.
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not while theyre for profit they aren't
somebody is always making profit. Even in a nonprofit the executives make millions. even if owned by the government the profit is still made, it just goes into a bureaucrat's pocket instead of a businessman
Youre basing that off of contemporary standards, not a 'leftist utopia'. But yeah you're right, anything that turns a profit=for profit. Way to school me on the real world champ!
who owns the prison in a leftist utopia?
The people dumbie. i was bringing up a technically to be snarky. There isn't much of a discussion to be had in regards to this. Net profit can stay in sector, or be pooled into taxes and be delegated elsewhere.
So all the people punch in and out at the prison or you have government agents run it in your stead?
Exactly, the government runs the prison. And while they CAN put the money to good use elsewhere, why would they when they can just pocket it?
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Just look at any country that has tried it and what the result was.
every communist and the socialist country has had horrible, destitute prisons whose wardens embezzled funds and were run by corrupt political appointees, just like every other industry.
'utopia' did you miss that this was a hypothetical?
"every communist and the socialist country has had horrible, destitute prisons" Funny because the socially progressive countries that your ilk deem socialist, have the best prison systems in the world. It's pretty easy to compare yourself to recently revolutionized countries tho
which countries are those?
youre a liability. You can google 'best prisons in the world' if youre really so out of the loop. Pretty obvious I'm talking about scandinavia
they arent communist or socialist countries though.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/10/27/nordic-countries-not-socialist-denmark-norway-sweden-centrist/
Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland are all capitalist, free-market economies. Their market found a solution to shitty prisons. The problem in the US is not capitalism but actually big government corruption.
you're dense of context
" Funny because the socially progressive countries that your ilk deem socialist "
The bigger point being is those are countries that aim for social welfare, rather than profit incentive. I'm done talking to you, you clearly have a learning disability
Free gym membership
damn bro it gets better and better
Prisions have literacy programs!
Unfortunately, in way too many jurisdictions none of those are free, nor is the housing:
https://www.acluohio.org/en/jail-debt
Also, prisoners mostly lean right:
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2020/03/12/trump-s-surprising-popularity-in-prison
Problematically so even:
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2017/08/24/prison-is-a-real-life-example-of-the-world-white-supremacists-want
Based and flair the fuck up pilled.
No flair IS my flair.
The PCM compass is a lens. Like all lenses, it colors perception. Simply using it buys into a set of assumptions I donโt agree with.
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Because this subreddit very loudly and frequently thinks inside its literal boxes on the front page every day, and itโs healthy for you children to be reminded of the distinction between necessary and sufficient?
Is that a trick question?
Well, you could use the more general flairs, such as centrist, left, right, etc... On the contrary, as a (radical) left leaning guy, I find it pretty healthy when I find myself in agreement with someone who doesn't necessarily align with my ideas. It's a good reminder that not everything is black and white, and that what really matters politically speaking, is the platform you're running on.
Itโs a good reminder that not everything is black and white, and that what really matters politically speaking, is the platform youโre running on.
Except that the entire point of the quadrants and their associated flairs is literally to make things black and white. Flairs remove complexity and ambiguity.
the point of flairs is to help people understand why and how you formed the opinions you have. it assists them in seeing a topic from another persons perspective which assists and promotes a civil discussion
Or, to put it another way: it puts a lens on what youโre saying.
Thatโs literally what I said in my first comment.
And I prefer not to provide a lens, because it makes all subsequent commentary a product of the speakerโs bias, instead of basing it on whatever facts are being discussed.
For example, I provided two sources on some serious and fundamental challenges confronting the US prison system. Not a single person has engaged them, because theyโre so primed to look for a flair that the facts are secondary. And if I DID flair, all that would follow is a necessarily inaccurate and/or incomplete discussion of how those links relate to the respondentโs perception of what that flair means.
Thatโs not useful, and itโs also problematic.
You make me angry every time I don't see your flair >:(
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It's nothing to do with flairs, the reason nobody engaged you is that the posts are laughably biased and not even worth discussing.
Sure thing, buddy. Whatever you say. You sure showed ME. ๐
to suggest that most people in prison are far right when 70% are poor minorities is so laughable that I'm shocked you weren't banned for it.
Your racialized assumptions are showing.
If youโre referring to federal prisons, whites make up about 60% of the carceral population;
And while non-Hispanic whites make up just 30% of state and federal prisoners combined, that percentage is a product of some pretty messy skews in a about 12 states.
Outside of those 12 states, the average prisoner is white; in those 12 states, the average prisoner is minority, but Latino in a bunch of them.
Also: I didnโt say most people in prison lean right. I said a concerning percentage of prisoners who vote lean right.
Nope, the federal bureau of prisons says 38% black, 30% hispanic, and 32% white. You have to break it down by race AND ethnicity, since latinos are not recognized as a race by the us government.
so your 60% white includes both whites (not hispanic) and whites (hispanic) while regular people view whites and hispanics as 2 different races, the government views them as both white. So look at my other link and it should make more sense.
in any case most people are in state prisons anyway
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_ethnicity.jsp
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_race.jsp
People in prison don't get to vote... so i dont know how you know for whom they vote.
We don't need a lens to view you. We can smell the leftist nonsense from here.
Well, see now thatโs also exactly why a flair is pointless. Iโm not remotely leftist, nor would I identify as such with a flair. So if I did flair, youโd then switch from telling me to flair up to telling how my flair is BS. A No True Scotsman fallacy writ large.
Btw: your insecurity is showing.
You make me angry every time I don't see your flair >:(
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What about grey centrist then?
Iโm not a grey centrist. That implies sharing qualities with all four quadrants. I donโt think the quadrants exist in the first place.
I thought grey centrist meant you don't share qualities with any of them, and I thought colored centrist you shared those qualities
Either means you buy into the concept of quadrants. Which in turn means you buy into a whole slew of assumptions associated with the very idea of those quadrants.
And the quadrants are grossly imprecise and contradictory. For example, the Nazis are the epitome of authright, but they retained Bismarckโs universal healthcare and retirement systems, which were both deliberately socialized in design. And modern China is this subโs definition of authleft, but the Chinese state relies heavily on free market corporations like TenCent and Alibaba and their associated private equity firms to promote its goals.
At best, the quadrants are outdated oversimplifications, and more realistically they lead to fundamental misunderstandings of how human thought works.
Then you are a filthy liar like CNN.
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What the absolute fuck are you talking about
You not read good. Me use short word.
Itโs a rhetorical question you were to dull to pick up on
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Then that would make you a grey square flair dumbass. Flair up
No, it wouldnโt. Because a grey square still buys into the concept of squares.
Or to put it another way, the reason youโre engaging the square and not the substance of what was said is because the square has colored your thinking to the point of interference.
Soโฆthanks for proving my point by way of demonstration? It was very kind of you.
No flair, didnโt read.
Iโll be assuming the other guy is correct until you get your shit together.
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Flairs are stupid.
i agree
Flairs are a way of announcing โI am willing to let my entire worldview be boiled down to a box that some teenager came up withโ. Theyโre worse than stupid. They actively limit thought.
I'm really impressed at how much you've completely missed the entire point of this subreddit, including the no-flair shaming.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised though, being unflaired and all.
Nothing surprises me any more about the depravities of the unflaired.
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The entire point of the subreddit is to boil down all your views to a single quadrant or unity and then meme around. If a serious discussion starts then cool but the flairs are definitely the point of the sub.
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if you never pay the bill it is essentially free to you. if youre a felon youll never have a good job, ad enver have the ability to pay the bill.
doubtful, as 90% of black men vote democrat and about 60% of prisoners are black
segregation in prisons is supported and acvocated by all the races there. it isnt a result of white supremacism
if you never pay the bill
But they DO pay it. They take tax returns and stimulus monies:
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/state/aclu-claims-ohio-prisons-wrongly-diverted-inmates-stimulus-payments-to-pay-fees-fines
And garnish wages:
https://www.nclc.org/images/pdf/criminal-justice/Rpt_CJ_Debt_State_Civil_Justice_System.pdf
That they almost never pay it in full or discharge it isnโt the same thing.
doubtful, as 90% of black men vote democrat and about 60% of prisoners are black
With respect, your assumption doesnโt actually outweigh my data. Thatโs a hypothesis, not empirical evidence, and the empirical evidence I provided both accounts for your hypothesis and provides some interesting complexity. Try reading before responding.
Also, [citation needed]. If youโre referring to federal prisons, blacks make up about 38% of the carceral population; if youโre referring to state and federal combined, itโs about 33%; in fact, only 6 states - MD, LA, MS, NJ, DE, GA have carceral percentages of 60% black or more. Youโre either relying on outdated data, or no data at all.
segregation in prisons is supported and acvocated by all the races there. it isnt a result of white supremacism
By definition, a system that is supermajority white, but arrests, charges, convicts, and sentences blacks at grossly disproportionate rates to whites is white supremacist. What the prisoners themselves do or donโt do is at most incidental to the issue.
felons dont have wages to garnish. In any case about 2/3 of latino men also vote democrat, so it seems asinine to declare that a majority of prisoners are pro trump.
Well, the system isn't supermajority white. Most arrests happen in major us cities, where the government is almost always very diverse. For example, over half of felony arrests in GA occur in Fulton country. The DA is black. The mayor of Atlanta is black. 58% of the cops are black. The chief of police is black. 53% of the judges are black. The city council of 16 people has 8 blacks and 2 latinos. So the folks who make and enforce the policies are majority minority.
The reason that black people are arrested more is that they commit more crimes. Once arrested, charges are brought over 95% of the time for all races. and conviction rates are over 96% for all races.
felons dont have wages to garnish.
They do once theyโre out of prison. If your goal is to show that you donโt read, donโt understand, and then talk anywayโฆcongrats, youโre succeeding?
Well, the system isnโt supermajority white.
Real quick, answer me these:
White write the laws, prosecute the accused, judge the accused, and imprison the accused, in overwhelming numbers. Itโs a supermajority white system.
The reason that black people are arrested more is that they commit more crimes.
Your racialized assumptions are showing.
Everyone commits crimes daily. Itโs impossible not to. There are simply too many crimes.
But letโs leave that aside and assume we mean โserious and/or violent crimesโ and not just โon the book somewhereโ crimes. Even then, itโs not that simple. For example, 80% of reported rapes are against white women, by white men 75%+ of the time, but Iโm doubting youโre ready to concede that whites are reported for rape more often because they rape more. Obviously not. Itโs because women of color report far less often, for a complex blend of reasons.
Ditto for blacks and crime. Blacks donโt commit more crimes than anyone else in their socio-economic strata - poor white trailer trash commit just as many crimes as ghetto black kids do, and middle-class black kids commit just as little crime as middle-class white kids. But blacks still get arrested, charged, and convicted more often than do whites who committed the exact same acts. For example, blacks get speeding tickets at several times the rates whites do.
Youโre repeating some really obvious and easily-disproven racial canards. You should consider the implications of that.
If you have a felony youll never get a job worth a shit so there wont be wages to garnish
No, these are no racialized assumptions, they are actual facts from the FBI crime statistics database and from the DOJ. Black people commit more violent crimes in outright numbers- and proportionately about 4-5 times more. Blacks are 12% of the US population but commit 52.5% of all murders, 26.7% of rapes, 52.7% of robberies, 33% of aggravated assault, and about 1/3 of all nonviolent but serious crimes (2, 3).
The discussion is based on crimes serious enough to be arrested for. Nobody cares about you breaking victimless crimes or jaywalking or something. Black are arrested more because they commit more violent crimes and more serious nonviolent crimes than other races.
Blacks are pulled over for speeding more because they speed more often, proportionately. We know this, because speed cameras, which don't know your race, catch blacks speeding proportionately more often. (4)
(1) https://www.ncsl.org/research/about-state-legislatures/state-legislator-demographics.aspx
(2) https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
(3) https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43
(4) https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/ct-red-light-cameras-race-turner-20151103-column.html
If you have a felony youll never get a job worth a shit so there wont be wages to garnish
List O Questions
So you recognize that 1) the system is overwhelmingly white, and 2) that complexity matters when itโs white people under scrutiny, but then 3) donโt do the same thing when itโs black people under scrutiny?
You should think about that.
Black people commit more violent crimes in outright numbers- and proportionately about 4-5 times more.
No, they donโt.
First, youโre conflating โcharged/convictedโ with โcommitโ which is the entire problem.
Second, whites commit more crimes as an outright number. More than all other races combined, in fact. As you would expect, given theyโre a supermajority of the population. I think you mean, blacks commit more crime proportionately, which is still wrong because of the first point.
You need to define terms like โcrimeโ, โcommitโ, and โviolentโ. For example, the crime reporting used by the FBI UCR system that you cite lists arrests, not convictions. And it is not news that police arrest more black people. That does not then mean they did it.
A more useful source is the Bureau of Justice Dtatistics, but thatโs a level of analysis not easily rendered down for Reddit. But long story short, control for age, gender, and socio-economic status, and blacks commit crimes at the same rates as whites, but are arrested, charged, and convicted much more often.
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Lol "medical care" is a generous term for a lot of the actual doctors in the US, imagine how bad it is in the prisons
So youโre agreeing that government controlled universal healthcare makes for worse healthcare?
Lol my very first thought. โErr no it would be very good healthcare because the government would respect and value us!โ
We want the government controlled universal healthcare that rich people are already getting.
Not the sad excuse for healthcare in the prison system, which has been gutted by the wealthy for the benefit of, you guessed it, rich people on government controlled universal healthcare.
Lol if you truly believe rich people arenโt paying an arm and a leg for the best doctors around you live in a fantasy world. Nothing is โuniversalโ about what they are getting. Otherwise you wouldnโt be wishing you had it because it would be, โuniversalโ.
Healthcare in prison has been gutted by the government. Even if youโre speaking about for profit prisons, guess who employs them? The government. Fact is all the most expensive and broken systems are heavily regulated and or controlled by the government. Big pharma, hospitals, police, education. Anything the government touches โfor the betterment or everyoneโ turns to shit.
You donโt make things equal by making things worse. Itโs funny that some people hate the rich because of โthe riches greedโ yet their greed is what makes them hate the rich. You want what they have.
If you think rich people in general pay an arm and a leg for anything in this country then Iโve got some very nice bridges to sell you.
Itโs not that I โwant what they haveโ, I have what they have lol. As my salary tripled my healthcare costs reduced substantially while the quality of care increased exponentially.
The government subsidizes care from โthe best doctors aroundโ for government officials and high ranking executives in the form of tax breaks. There arenโt enough tax breaks to go around for the littler guys because we spend it in places that powerful lobbyists choose to spend it.
I know this because Iโm literally living it, and Iโd like to see people like you have less of a burden with the costs of healthcare because Iโd like to see our country do better as a whole instead of measuring the success of the nation by only measuring the success of people like me.
Edit: the downvotes are just deliciously and hilariously ironic lmao. You know the sub used to be politically balanced with accurate flairs? Yโall must hate seeing a left flair go so hard against the normal stereotypes in this current political climate.
The sub is balanced just fine.
You arenโt balanced.
The Leftโs talking points of โAmericaโs doctors achhhtually suckโ and โAmerican healthcare would be amazing with universal healthcareโ is just so laughably self-contradictory it comes off as nonsense.
Before you start frothing, I actually support universal healthcare. I just donโt shit on the current American medical system when I do so. Our doctors are some of the best in the world.
Iโm not sure where youโre going with this, it seems like you missed my point (or maybe didnโt read it at all and just looked at my flair) and tried to tangent into some sort of strawman.
The only opinion I gave on the healthcare system pertained only to prisoners, and I feel like no matter how far right leaning this sub is overall, we can all agree prison healthcare in general is below average.
You know, you can go pretty much anywhere else on this awful website and have people flocking to your aid. Donโt whine when you enter one of the few spaces where the Right is in control. Makes you look like a little bitch.
Whoโs whining? I just think itโs funny when others deny it, like the โcentristโ who replied to me. Instead of a reasonable debate about the issue I got one off topic reply and a bunch of downvotes.
Iโm not complaining about it, nor am I surprised. If anything, just a little bummed that Reddit as a whole has been slowly and surely devolving year after year into a bunch of separate echo chambers where people confirm each otherโs biases and further polarize themselves.
These days, in almost every political sub, if you try to spark a rational conversation that goes even slightly against the bias of the subโs mob mentality like this, youโll either get banned or downvoted to hell. Not calling out left or right, it happens in both. I will say that it seems the right leaning subs are much quicker to ban, and the left are heavier with the downvotes.
You can thank your ilk for that, and donโt pretend that it isnโt leftist zealots that threw the site into a partisan gauntlet.
Lmao youโre just as bad as them. Donโt pretend it isnโt radicalized and brainwashed asshats on both sides that devolved social media in general into the cesspools we see today.
Identity politics is ruining this country.
โAHS.โ I rest my case.
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deep bow
Iโm flattered but I donโt swing that way, no need to bend over for me.
Waitโฆ you arenโt gay??? Are you sure you picked the right flair??
Nah Iโm talking about the age. Iโm almost 20 Iโm much too old for you, not into that kink.
Oof, not wittyโฆ you also shouldnโt have told me you arenโt even 20 yet; further insight into your political beliefs. You should want people to believe that your position is one held by mature, established individuals.
Lmao bruh, do you believe what people tell you on the internet? Iโm honestly surprised you so willingly believed my age. I suppose it does confirm your bias which is what this sub is all about. My mature and established point of view was met with nothing but a handful of downvotes and a couple trash comments with nothing whatsoever to add to the actual issue at hand.
What a joke you are to think this sub could actually hold an unbiased and reasonable discussion from multiple points of view.
Yes, yes. Continue to show your age! It is too late now!
The irony of this thread is as delicious as the other right-flaired usersโ attempts to talk about the state of the healthcare industry.
Healthcare is for losers. I cure myself with essence of bootstrap, like any red-blooded American man should.
Says the guy with 15 previous vaccinations and a deep-down desire to be able to afford a visit to the dentist lol.
Teeth are for losers. I chew with the hate-crystals that form in my mouth from dunking on lefty goons online MAGAWWG1WGAQANONLGB
I actually have to agree with you there, your mom has the same mentality and that head is fire.
Youโre all kinds of confused, arenโt you? You flair yourself โLeftโ but claim to have been sexually involved with my mother, a female. Youโll have to choose eventually. You canโt have your cake and eat it, too.
Youโre living in the past dog. The great thing about the left is that you never have to choose! Gender? Just a bunch of Republican propaganda
Gender?? I hardly know โer!
rich people dont get it free though, they get the best care because they pay for the best doctors.
That is an option but the vast majority of the time the corporation/business/government making them rich pays for the care and deducts it from their annual taxes as an expense, essentially leaving the cost to the middle-class taxpayer.
Ergo, universal healthcare gated by status. Read my reply to the other comment to see where Iโm coming from. Iโm saying this as a person benefiting from the current system.
Lmao yes, accountants cutting cost on other peoples healtchcare like its a math problem is DEFENITELY the same as having an appointed team of health care experts and economists working under a government council, who, if they dont provide sufficient healthcare to their consticuancy, they get voted out. What the fuck did you people smoke as children
who, if they dont provide sufficient healthcare to their consticuancy, they get voted out.
Better yet why doesn't the government fuck off out of healthcare all together, deregulate it, and let people vote with their wallets?
Oh pfft. The doctors are great here. Our quality of care is literally second to none. Theyโre just expensive as balls.
bUt wEโrE 37tH oN tHe gLoBaL hEaLtHcArE LiSt
Yeah, because of cost.
I haven't gone deep into healthcare stats since the early Obama years, but last I checked, a full quarter of the weighting for those rankings came from asking government healthcare officials, "How egalitarian do you think your nation's healthcare system is?" So, that's actually 37th by explicitly leftist standards.
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You make me angry every time I don't see your flair >:(
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Itโs because our society isnโt homogeneous, so we have varied health outcomes compared to the rest of the West.
Youโre not wrong
But that answer is so ridiculously AuthCenter
Well, it gets old hearing how bad American schools and hospitals are when itโs not true at all.
tHiRd WoRlD cOuNtRy iN a GuCcI bElT
schools arent bad its the students who are bad in cerrtain schools
Correct
hes right though
we rank differently based on who is doing the rankings. but remember that we have the best 10% out of the 230 countries in the world.
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We have some of the highest rates of medical error, post-operative complications, and healthcare-associated infection in the developed world.
lol no we donโt
thatโs gonna need a link, preferably to an unbiased source
Eh, regarding healthcare related infections, WHO data actually suggests Europe has a higher prevalence at 7.2%, than the US at 4.5%.
Medical error is correct, the US has a 12.6% compared to 11.4% in similar countries, according to healthsystemtracker.org.
Healthsystemtracker also goes into detail about post-operative complications. Looks like the US is better than Australia but worse than Europe.
Overall, compared to the rest of the world, by many metrics, the US does fall behind in quality of care. It's usually below the average of quality of care on any given metric, for comparable countries.
So what youre saying is we have great healthcare, if youre rich enough to afford it, which MOST people here aren't. Just bc your bbq loving ass has a decent hc plan doesnt mean this system doesnt let thousands of people die a year because theyre fucking poor.
nobody is allowed to die due to poverty. Emergency care is required to be adminitered regardless of ability to pay due to the EMTALA act
Just because you canโt afford the steak restaurant doesnโt mean it isnโt great steak.
Iโm fine with universal healthcare, but donโt pretend crappy healthcare and inaccessible healthcare are the same thing. Addressing a problem requires an accurate assessment first.
Fingle did this. I check it every day?!!?"
I say you guys are crazy, the girlfriend of friend came to visit Argentina, she is from Florida, while here she slammed a taxi door on her finger and when she was in the hospital was demanding for morphine to take the pain away, and screaming that in the USA they would be giving her the shot as soon as she went through the door just to kill that pain.
She was doing this even after they gave her another kind of pain killers not based in opioids and she said it was not enough and was still feeling the pain, the med she got is usually used for tooth removal procedures.
What are you babbling about
Plus itโs anecdotal
Plus itโs Florida
Plus youโre unflaired
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100% of toxic males no vegan options unpaid physical work
Fuck that shit
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So that's why the cell blocks are coloured yellow-green?
is a tribute to Brazil
You couldn't come to Brazil so Brazil came to you.
Woah thatโs racist to call them all toxic males!
Also tax fraud isnโt toxic
Now Iโm curious how food allergies are handled in prison. And relgious based (vegan) diets.
They have a "common fare" meal for religious folks, and no meat options. But that means beans literally every day. Maybe 5 different meals.
Vegans are SOL.
Not true they have vegan, kosher/muslim, gluten, liquid diets and one for people who cant put on wieght In prison(hiv) that i seen when i worked their for a short time. But yes nothing but bean rice and potatoes for vegans but they threw in some protein stuff into the beans for them.-AZ DOC.
Maybe in the state? I'm the feds they didn't have vegan options.
That smells like a lawsuit...
Vegan is mostly a choice. So they don't have to. Also they can override literally anything by saying "for the safety and good order of the institution. "
The worst I saw, a guy was severely allergic to eggs, and medical knew it and informed foodservice. He was in isolation , a dry cell. He kept getting eggs, or mayo, or both. Medical kept calling foodservice. They said "he can eat what we send him or not."
He wrote them up, but they never responded to a BP8. So he had to wait a month to submit a BP9. The warden said he'd told food service and they had now been advised by medical. This is after two months of this. He got out of isolation, and wrote them all up on a BP10. Regional said the warden did his job by letting medical inform foodservice. He was a skinny guy, but still lost over twenty pounds while in that dry cell. He could probably have done more writing up, but got deuced out and didn't follow through.
yep sounds about the same clusterfuck with our institution. medical and foodservice never communicate with each other. their was one guy that got his jaw fractured and wired shut it took them 3 days to get this inmate his diet. Is your food service subcontracted and not part of DOC?
I was told they are fed employees, but technically their own company that was subcontracted, so yes. The infighting among COs was crazy.
Now it makes a little more sense. subcontracts can practically make their own standards as long as its with the parameters of the law and they aint gonna change it until their pocket book is threatened with a lawsuit.
Yeah that seems the only way changes are made. Never going back, but I feel for the people there.
Not diversity of the sexes.
Did you just assume their gender, you bigot?
Oh noooo. I'm gonna get cancelled.
Well better quit my job and move my family to the woods
You didnโt live in the woods to begin with? Literally a commie!
I'm gonna have to move deeper into the woods and put a bunch of tree hugging hippies around the outside of the woods so nobody will want to go near it or face hippie judgement
I'm gonna have to move deeper into the woods and put a bunch of tree hugging hippies around the outside of the woods so nobody will want to go near it or face hippie judgement
they have that on woman's prisons nowdays
Diversity?
Lots of races all together, some minorities are even over represented. If thatโs not diverse what is.
If a college had the same proportional breakdown as prison, lib left would absolutely laud the diversity.
Our prisoners here are of the same race, mostly
shhh, cant say that
Diversity generally means now, not white. So prisons are very diverse.
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Ah Yes, the famous race of white black and Mexican?
Ever heard of the other 194 countries?
Eh, they bear no mention
Spoken as someone from a shithole country
I mean when the whole country is a prison.. yea.
North Korea?
Haha no, the enemies of the state don't count as a race. Idk where he's from, but I'm from Hungary
which country?
Hungary
Do you put Roma in special prisons?
Overrepresentation is inherently less diverse
EOE Arrest
They self segregate heavily though and you'll get your ass beat for hanging out with the wrong race.
They said they wanted equity. They didn't say what kind of equity.
โMinorities are even over representedโ
Meanwhile I'm crying about reverse discrimination in both prisons and universities.
Life is not based.
"Less white"
its a gypsie ethnostate as well
Indeed. 68% of our prison population are c-types. That's some serious overrepresentation.
anyways most of them are pikeys, Roma types are usually pretty chill in my country.
Where do you live? I'm curious
Souf UK I was just making a joke about other euro coununtries, though we do have a sisable problem with some
lol they are creating scenes way too often over there too, though I heard swordfights on streets aren't as common as one would think watching those youtube videos. Lived in the midlands for 1,5 years and don't really remember meeting many of them.
I worked at a pub where some settled ones would visit every now and then, lovely people, tipped well. Loud and the kids were twats but still decent enough.
But we had cases of the pikeys rocking up on public land, trashing the place and stealing shit before and then leaving whenever the council told them fuck off, only to move onto the next town. Those ones are complete cunts and make the rest look bad.
I donโt know the ratio of the two sides but it seems pretty 50/50 from what I can guess
If they get to be part of the high middle class they kind of self-regulate, so there indeed is some decent ones among them. Some cultural groups also behave a lot better than the rest. Still, you better keep the distance here, and not walk around in the city alone at night.
We do have some problem with roma but they are more so just all really trashy not necessarily dangerous.
Make a mess, live off council, spend dole money gambling like mad.
Our pikeys are more like the traditional gypsies.
Serious question, what's a c-type?
cigany/cigรกny aka gypsy
Only like 37% white
Over here, it's even less white
Damn, (((Romanians)))?
(((((romanis)))))
it was as I suspected
Oh so just like highschool in the hood
Actually my highschool experience draws a lot of similarities to prison
Lmao. My high school is probably 60% white, 30% black, and 10% asian/mixed race but we have an IB diploma program which means that now all my classes are now whiter than vermont
diVErSiTY iS wHEn BlACk pEOplE!!
Well, that's the standard applied for everything else...
It kind of is though. South Africa is like 80% black and many would call it diverse. I doubt anyone would call a city thatโs 80% white diverse
South Africa is overwhelmingly black, and unfortunately becomes more so each year. They need to encourage white people to move there to help diversity the nation.
lmao
Yeah. What groups do you think does the other 50%?
Again, there are places outside of the US.
Impossible
Segregation based on racial affiliation, it's lib left utopia
My god thereโs a lot of unflaired here that think theyโre the intelligentsia
With its untaxed black market, that makes prison a libright haven.
Unsurprisingly, auth forgets the liberty part of LIB-right.
You will have no liberty, and you will be happy.
Really puts into perspective Batman:Arkham City.
Great game. Only one ive played in the franchise...ever play origons or asylum?
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We already went through this.
It wont let me flair up, so fuck it.
Ill flair myself. Im a centrist i guess
Libleft bad
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Based on what?
Opinion of course. While there are indeed good and bad ideas, there aren't really any good and bad ideologies as a whole. Everything is about confronting opinions and ideologies are just big drawers for these, so how could you call it bad out of anything else than your own opinion ?
gets tired of thinking
Well libleft bad anyway.
Huh? I asked a question, you went on a weird tangent.
Guess I did
Somehow still bigger than the apartment I had in Cali.
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Nail em up.
Totally untrue prison aren't diverse.
Way too many blacks.
I made a comment about this yesterday
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I dont get this post. Or maybe I am too drunk. What is with the second slide and the prison, what exactly is it saying? So many memes go over my head these days. It is strange.
I donโt know why leftists get all upset when I propose taxpayer-funded housing for the homeless. Every time I bring it up I get attacked.
Most progressives are definitely in favor of housing the homeless. If you are proposing "work / concentration camps for the homeless" I can see that being less popular.
You want to house the homeless, Iโm suggesting an immediate way to do it. This is the left/right unity you claim to want yet shoot down the second it appears.
Is this Stalin role playing as a libright?
Iโm only libright till Iโm in charge. Then Iโm mostly libright but authcenter for people who even slightly annoy me. The most radical โleavemealoneismโ is the one where you sentence anyone who doesnโt leave you alone to death.
What kind of lefties are those? Tankies?
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Usually just the ones that are against mass incarceration of the homeless. They want to give the homeless free housing, I suggest a realistic and immediately implementable plan, and then they boo me. Makes no sense, really.
You get booed because youโre a fascist lol.
Youโre unflaired bro I could be a peepeepoopooist and itโd still hold more weight than anything youโre saying.
Lol itโs politcalcompass memes this sub is worthless and you take this shit seriously. youโre a fascist from your comment. Eat my dick bitch
What was that? I canโt read unflaired speak.
Lol kook
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They really do hire dummies for our police and prison industry. prisons are way more violent than the general population so the โpeaceโ you perceive is mostly delusion based.
I can tell youโve never set foot inside of a prison before
Low cost of living.
โVibrant gay cultureโ I mean I guess you could call it that just as much as you could call those camps in Xinjiang reeducation camps instead of concentration camps.
Itโs not very diverse when most are black
Black Panther was hailed as a victory of diversity. Lol.
sweaty, "diversity" is about getting rid of white people (And That's A Good Thing)
A-auth right, is that you?
Itโs true tho
Free housing, free healtcare, free food, free education, extremely strict gun control, high levels of diversity, vibrant gay culture, all the way down to the feeling of living in a cage without escape.
This is hilarious. Leftist really want to run society the way prisons are run.
The simple, inescapable fact of civilization is that a small fraction of people just don't act right, and if they are around, you can't have nice things.
You have only two choices, then, if you want a civilization.
You can exclude those people from civilization, by exiling them, killing them, or putting them in prison.
Or you can run your entire society like a prison, because you can't trust anyone.
Seppo without a passport detected.
"I'm something of a gulag myself"
Shawshank redemption vibes
except the guards are auth center or libright depending on if they are taking bribes. most of them take bribes though for the right amount of money.
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So you're saying our country does more to sustain the lives of pedophiles and violent criminals in prison
Seeing how the last two years have gone I'd think mainstream leftists would actually be applauding this.
Also automatic government employment.
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Don't forget, NO GUNS for anyone except for the authorities. The guards that are inside usually don't even have guns, but the guards in the towers do.
Fucking love you for this.
Not extremely diverse, I mean a very large chunk is made up of _.
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It's not good enough to just have gay, there must be more sexualities.
Diverse prisons are bad.
They exacerbate race related violence. I'm not pro segregation unless we're talking about prisons.
did i mention the level of equality through out the facility
Putting the "D" in D-class personnel
Top kek
The thing about Libleft and prison is that they're already primed to be someone's girlfriend.
I got banned from late stage capitalism for comparing prison to a socialist left utopia. I mean, I'm not wrong.
Holy smokes, sounds like my kinda place
if we use the (((modern definition))) of diversity, then sureโฆ its diverse
To (not exactly bit close enough) qoute Eisenhower, if you want free food, free clothes and a free bed, go to prison, it has all three but you won't have freedom
To be fair, thereโs something there for every quadrant.
It's not free housing when you're forced to do slave labour tho
Community service for the common good.
"common good" aka private corporations
Not necessarily. It's often stuff like making license plates.
There really is a great gay culture there. Remember how Fleece Johnson talked about it on Lock Up?
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"I like ya, and I wants ya. Now we can do this the easy way or the hard way. The choice is yours."
Mad and owned by lib-right to fulfill the needs of auth-right. Operates like an auth-left paradise. Houses lib-left. Basically compass unity
Diversity through the roof
Only black people
Where diversity
Ah yes only blacks get sent to jail
Also you need a blank row inbetween for the text to show in the next row
Well, in my country, I'm pretty sure that around 99% of the inmates are of the same ethnicity group. So this LibLeft paradise is not applied here.
As long as that 99% is not white, libleft shall call it diverse.
What ethnic group is that? Kulaks?
Asian.
Though I'm from Viet Nam, so we don't particularly have any seriously high number of immigrants from other cultures and ethnicities.
As a fellow Vietnamese, can confirm.
Diversity? Rich people get a slap on the wrist.
Diversity means "not White".
-Consistently ends up in self segregation based on racial lines.
This meme is up there with, โOh you donโt like capitalism but youโre using a smartphone?โ for dumb boomer takes.
You know what else is libleft? Prison abolitionism.
Prison abolitionism - the best argument since abolishing the police! /s
Both should be abolished
You're a looney.
I donโt have the time or energy to explain the obvious to authpussies
But the simplest explanations are as thus:
The numbers prove time and time again that prisons cause higher rates of recidivism. Therefore, prisons should only exist to house people who are dangerous to society. The majority of imprisonments happen for nonviolent offences.
Policing should not be a paramilitary organisation, nor should it function as a violent arm of the state or oligarchs. It should be like fucking neighbourhood watch with extremely limited circumstantial powers.
When people say โabolish police and abolish prisons,โ they donโt mean to do away with them altogether overnight. Itโs about changing the individualโs relationship with authority. Nobody should be imprisoned for profit, and only the abolishment of the current systems will see real justice served.
All I gathered from what you wrote here is you don't even agree with what you are calling for, and you're not very good at PR.
I'm not American, or on the AuthRight. Nice try at labelling though.
I didnโt say you were authright, I said you were auth. There is no libertarian argument for sustaining either.
If I was good at PR there would be a photo of Ted Kaczynski in every school.
Fair enough. I suppose you realise why the prison system came about in the first place no?
free in what way lmao, these things are for profit.
Depends on the country.
free in what way lmao
In the same type of way that people calling for "free housing" use the term. Tax payer funded, free to the user.
Also not all prisons are ran by private contractors.
not all, but quite alot of them, and they are gov funded with tax payer money. Regardless American prison system is fucked.
Nothing in my comment was regarding "free housing", just purely about the jail system. Obviously free housing is absurd typically.
not all, but quite alot of them,
Sub 10% of the nations total prison population are housed in private prisons. Some states have completely banned private prisons from being operated in their state.
and they are gov funded with tax payer money.
Yup, that's generally how those things work.
Regardless American prison system is fucked.
Most prison systems are - most things ran by the government are fucked in one way or another.
Nothing in my comment was regarding "free housing", just purely about the jail system. Obviously free housing is absurd typically.
Right, but you made the comment "free in what way lmao" and I responded to that. Explaining in which way it was "free."
As in free in the same way most government ran programs are. Free to the user but not to the tax payer.
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This is true if you go by the progressive definition of diversity = no white people (our greatest strength!), but not if you go by the boomer conservative definition of diversity = a mix of people.
This happens to society in general, more diversity = more oppression needed to keep the wheels on = less freedom
It says "free" but I'm pretty sure that the people in here don't have much freedom. False advertising.
They donโt even allow knives.
Also, prisoners are very much into recycling. If you get my drift.
Pahahahahahahaha
This is so hilarious
Diversity doesn't just mean lots of brown people, OP. Africa isn't diverse.
Maybe 10 years ago it didnโt but now it does
โhar har har RAPE FUNNY!!!โ
~ dumb assholes
Interesting watching the downward spiral of subs into right wing refugee camps.
I'll be very hostile the next time I don't see the flair.
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Tell reddit to stop banning right wing areas and this won't happen, or maybe leftie ideas suck and the majority of people don't want em.
I'll be very hostile the next time I don't see the flair.
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Nah, toxic cancer doesnโt deserve to have a space to fester on decent forums.
If youโre trying to think of why unmoderated forums turn into right-wing circlejerks, donโt hurt your poor little head.
Leftist and progressive ideals need critical thinking to understand, and most people in places like this are too busy eating crayons to do much of that.
Also flair up, pussy.
Well I'll give you credit for being true to flair, infuriatingly so. Anywhere else and it'd be straight to downvote the pretentious asshat.
Oh no. Whatever would I do.
I donโt think I could stand being downvoted by a bunch of knuckle-draggers.
Didnโt mean to interrupt your paste-eating, carry on
I love knowing that you personally have caused more people to vote conservative than I ever could. Truly one of the lefts worst advocates.
If a random person offending your delicate sensibilities is enough to change your politics then thereโs a high probability you were a right wing moron to begin with.
Lmao what a genuinely stupid thing to say.
Next time I want a useless take from a self-proclaimed libertarian Iโll check any local dumpster
Reactionary fools never change ๐
Everyone loves a self-righteous prick.
Awww, did baby pick his backwards beliefs because someone made him feel intellectually insecure?
Oh no, the meanie lefties made you into a regressive ingrate :((
Nah. I chose to be regressive all on my own. Self righteous folk such as yourself have never given me any reason to reevaluate my beliefs in either direction.
Name calling may work on you, but personally I need to respect someone before I worry about their opinion of me.
Thanks for proving my point exactly?
You reactionary fools are stubborn in your ignorance and self-centeredness, hell youโre proudly claiming to be regressive ๐
I know you wonโt listen, so I point and laugh
I proudly hold the beliefs I do, if I can't be proud of them then I should probably rethink them. Now I personally don't think they make me a regressive ingrate, but there's nothing I could say to convince you of that. After all you made your decision based on nothing but my flair. I'll listen and have a proper discussion with anyone willing to discuss like adults.
Meanwhile you can sit in the corner and laugh at whatever you like. It's obvious that you're a living embodiment of the "Dear sub-human filth" copypasta.
The only thing you're good for is convincing moderates that the left isn't for them.
You literally started this by calling me a pretentious asshat, how you think you have been some beacon of maturity is pretty wild
I donโt think youโre sub human filth, I just think youโre (ironically enough) a pretentious moron
Nice projection though
At that point I had assumed you were being an intentional caricature. Taking your actual beliefs and turning them up to the point of absurdity. Effectively, becoming a meme on purpose.
Like I said, in any sub besides this one, I would've gone to downvote the pretentious asshat. I thought it went unsaid that instead I decided to upvote you for playing perfectly to your flair, even though it was infuriating.
How about we take a minute to be completely honest. Due to the meme nature of this sub, I had assumed you were playing a character that took your beliefs and turned them to 11. And I respected that. Now I'm not sure. Maybe you decided to take that character and keep turning them up even higher with each new comment, in which case I respect you even more simply for the commitment. Or, everything you've said is an accurate reflection of your beliefs. In which case I no longer respect you at all.
Thatโs a silly thing to assume, although I can see how you might need to break everything down into simple generalizations and charicatures to help you understand things.
in which case I no longer respect you at all.
Oh no. The libertarian troll might not respect me.
Iโm crushed.
Lmao as if your respect is worth anything to me at this point; youโve been pretty clear about what you do respect and I donโt want any part of it.
Good luck with that, hope you get back what you give to the world โค๏ธ
Diversity through the roof
Gay culture
And you chuds pretend this sub does not have a deep rooted problems of racism and homophobia
Not sure how pointing out that thereโs a racially diverse gay culture in prisons some how makes you a racist.
Nice dog whistle you got there chud
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How this bait getting so far?
As a " POC " fuck you
So there is a vibrant gay culture!
They give you internet in prison?
If you were a real POC, you'd thank me for being your savior. That's how I know you're just a nazi lol
What kind of 9th dimensional trolling you're doing bro ?
The amount of Nazis I btfo online and the amount of hate I save my black brethren from having to endure, you could call me the savior of black people. So, no I'm not "trolling"
White savior mentality is racist
Weak bait 2/10
I know. They still fell for it though
Just braindead redditors. How could they NOT see you were trolling, especially after reading your name?
Idk man. I wasn't even fully trying
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I was going for the "saviour of all black people" joke from family guy. Guess I missed the mark :/
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Lol triggered
Based and is a chud pilled.
no, it looks like you can't appreciate the lib-left utopia which is a federal prison.
Is it reverse psychology for LibLeft to hate prisons?
We might need to add a 4th request, comfortable living standards.
Prison.
Turning hardened criminals gay since its 'con'ception?
Libleft wouldn't approve, they're separated by gender
Not so much diversity....
Diverse?
did i stutter??
lol
I think you skipped the part where it has to be good
Jail is awful in most places but even in there the social standards are higher than in our society.
What's sad is some homeless people will commit petty crimes to go to jail for the free food and shelter, especially in the winter.
In most of the US you still get billed for going to prison.
Actually: it's not free, the private prison system, makes money by having the "criminals" work for
Also known as free colonoscopy
The concept of consent is a real struggle for the right, hey?
"Vibrant gay culture"
Tell me you hate gay people without telling me you hate gay people.
You make me angry every time I don't see your flair >:(
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If libleft really believes in the idea of abolishing prisons all-together and not just reforming them, then how do they want to deal with criminals like murder, rapist and people who make pepe memes? Unless they want to have an Authcenter moment with these people.......
Flair upp
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Libleft is not for getting rid of prisons as a given rule. Reform of the criminal justice system and decriminalization of drug related offenses would be a good start IMO.
So what if I killed you while I was high. Thatโs a drug related crime ๐
You would get on trouble for murder, but not possession/consumption of drugs.
Phew thank god my flakka charge was dropped! Sorry to which ever family I thought were real gingerbread men and ate them ๐
Flair up, idiot.
flair up
Prisons arent as diverse as you think they are.
It wont let me
Give up on your dreams of owning a home
You'll never afford it and you'll die alone
You donโt get to have a suburban family
If you have kids, then theyโll die on the street
Give up on your dreams of owning a home
Not until the day you die will you pay off that loan
You're not gonna have a suburban family
And if you do, then they'll die selling coke to me
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Proof that state violence can ruin the best places.
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I wish for nice camps for all the people on the right :)
What does diversity have to with crime? The color of someoneโs skin and sexuality of someone have to do with crime rates? The only thing that causes crime is someoneโs mental health and their financial stability. Then free housing? Free housing would decrease homeless rates among cities and would actually decrease crime rates. This post is flat wrong.
If only people of all classes and races faced the same justice system, maybe we wouldn't have so many criminal shitheads sitting outside of jails making sure they fill up with the "right" people
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Diversity through the roof??
Ethnically
"prisons are communism!"
so sexual assault and r*pe in prison = vibrant gay culture?
God I wish I knew where I was on this damn compass
Shut, nobody asked you
I mean itโs where we all belong us as pcm users letโs be real
this is dumb
This is a friendly reminder to HAVE YOUR FRICKIN' FLAIR UP!
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Most of them wouldnโt be there if we treated them like people out in the real world. You think this is a hot take, but it just proves our point.
This is hilarious lmao
this ratio is too
Flair up mate