I lived in Osaka for 2 years…..most peaceful time I’ve ever had.
I lived in Osaka for 2 years…..most peaceful time I’ve ever had.
I would love to move to Japan permanently but they are rightly very careful about immigration and diluting their own culture.
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FAKE NEWS! This is a lie, as they started trialing the Vax Passport in Hokkaido from 6th Dec.
https://www.htb.co.jp/news/archives_13987.html
https://www.nhk.or.jp/hokkaido/articles/slug-na079132fe74e
They’re very picky on who they let in…..It’s what you can offer to Japan and not the other way around, as it should be.
I lived in Thailand and Vietnam where scum of the earth go to settle down.
Korea is where I miss the most.
Meanwhile when I say we should be more selective with who we let in the US I’m racist
I agree with the same sentiment. However, people are quick to call you a racist and a right wing nut if you disagree with them.
I disagree with disagreeing with you…Wait, ahh shit I’m that guy
Haha
It's not a melting pot of cultures if you only want a certain type.
This is nonsense. There can be many types of cultures, and thus a "melting pot", of pro-American values.
Why can't it be a melting pot of Botswanans and Indonesians and Greeks, and everyone the world over, who have skills America needs and who love America and want to contribute?
Woke brainwashing runs DEEP.
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" is written on the statue of liberty. Not "what can you do for me"
Who wrote that and when was it put on the statue?
Emma Lazarus, and 1903.
It's not like the US was founded that way, and she was a political activist whose interests were not those of the broader American public.
Early Life = Checked
Didn't even need to. Superpowers
200 years was a long time ago, dont ya think? Maybe we should revisit policy more often than bicentenially
What other bits of policy would you like to revisit? How about the 2nd amendment? Pretty sure that could use some work.
What kind of work?
Are Irish or Italian descendants in America white to you?
The statue was a gift from france
I don't think the French dictated how America chose to adorn the statue? I admit that I don't know definitively, but I'm open to be shown I'm wrong.
The poem was added in the US and written by an American.
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Which pretty clearly makes her a fucking American. Or were you more concerned about pointing out her Jewish heritage? Tell me, why is that such an important detail to you?
Pattern recognition
I notice patterns
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I'm going to point out the obvious here and say that Israel did not exist in her lifetime
And yet, rufugees for America, pushed by Israelis all over America, and a big, ol' American-sponsored wall for Israel.
Also all the newspapers will say an American wall is racist.
But totally unrelated....
It's almost like being Jewish has no predictive bearing on your politics, and some of them are right leaning and anti-immigrant, like many of those in the Israeli government, and some are left-leaning and pro-immigration, like many of those living in the States. Of course there are many exceptions in both cases. But as usual, the situation is obviously not so simple as "lol jooz hate 'murica".
It's almost like being Jewish has no predictive bearing on your politics, and some of them are right leaning and anti-immigrant, like many of those in the Israeli government, and some are left-leaning and pro-immigration, like many of those living in the States. Of course there are many exceptions in both cases. But as usual, the situation is obviously not so simple as "lol jooz hate 'murica".
You don't even know your own history and are trying to act like a patriot lol. The author was American
The united stated was not founded on some the basis of what the plaque a statue has.
It was founded on the basis of people running from oppression. No you want people fleeing the same type oppression to fill out a questionnaire about what they bring with them. I'm not saying the US should accept everyone who wants to come here. It's simple numbers not everyone can fit given the available resources. But to grant citizenship on a basis of whata in your bank account is just wrong.
False. It was founded on the concept of free men who were willing to work, not depend on government handouts
And slaves, can't forget the slaves!
Shipped here by Jews. Cant forget that
Maybe (not familiar enough with all of the details there). But lots of christians were involved in founding the US as a nation too, slave owners many of them.
Are you maybe forgetting about something? Like the men who weren't free? Who, I suppose, you could describe as "willing to work", in a sense, since they didn't want to be killed for not working.
Upvoted! I'd like to know just how many people here are from North America.
My Grandparents were refugees who fled from the Nazis and came to Canada. I remember when we took an influx of refugees back in the early 2000's after 911 and SO many people were against it. Like, that's how MOST of our grandparents/great grandparents came to North America. As refugees.
Nah, I remember most were rootstock colonialist, either English or French. The uppers of that though wanted new blood for the factories, but NIMBY. There's a reason why Canada's settlement plans circa 80s+ put new arrivals in frontier towns for agriculture/industry.
Ok then go move to France they made the statue..
The US gratefully accepted it and for a long time embraced the sentiment of the poem engraved on it. Now we have people who just want to kick out anyone who doesn't agree with them.
The words are from an American poet.
Quick, tell them they should move to American Poet because they made the poem.
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Nice just attack me instead of giving a reason as to why we shouldn’t be more selective
Lol like the us has a culture to protect. Being obese and eating fast food isn’t a culture.
We have plenty of cultures and many culture mashes. But ya gotta touch grass to see it sooo
do you... do you not see the irony in that statement that you have plenty of cultures? wh-where do you think all those cultures came from?
Corporate America
Or give the statue back
If they want it.. things all rusty now anyway
Exactly, not "get free stuff from tax payers."
thats great and all but i aint tryna live in a third world country, are you?
It’s also a poem put on the Statue of Liberty after the fact, it’s not a law or part of the original intention of the statue
Just looks like a marketing campaign for cheap labor
Yeah, that was when we needed work horses to stuff in factories for 14 hours a day. The tired and poor immigrant masses who didn't know the language well were perfect for this because they were too weak to stand up for themselves.
That's from 1903, and as well, there's a huge difference between what a country needs when it's a gigantic landmass of undeveloped forests and plains, vs. a fully developed economy with the highest GDP of the world.
Every illiterate Irishman who came over to NYC could immediately have a net positive impact on GDP. An illiterate or uneducated immigrant today will be a net tax drain for their entire lives.
Let people in from all walks of life but do it the right way. Regulated and monitored. Not a free for all etc
No, not from "all walks of life"
Yeah, don't let any more politicians and lawyers in. Fuckers.
Absolutely
Well why not deport the racists and bring in the immigrants who want to work 90 hours a week, 7/24 to make it here?
Sound like a great idea to improve our gene pool? Think the science would agree. :-)
Sounds good to me
Racism is a made up term invented less than 100 years ago
Aren’t all terms technically “made up”
What culture are you trying to protect exactly?
None but Japan is also selective because they want people with something to offer.. why shouldn’t we want the same
I love how people who want to be more selective of who let in probably are people who wouldn't be let in. Most educated and well off folk I know have no problems with immigration. It's the poor uneducated ones that are angry about "foreigners taking everything." I wonder why they're corralated.
The poor uneducated ones are the ones who will end up competing with immigrants for jobs. Not too bright are ya????
Arguing with an anti vaxxer is an exercise in futility. See you in Herman Cain awards someday.
Not an anti-vaxxer. Where did you get that crap????
Oh you mean anti-covid Vax? Yes, a vaccine for a virus with less than a 1.5% fatality rate is ridiculous. Anyone with a brain could see the unknown risks of a vaccine that doesn't work clearly outweigh the risks of covid for the average person. Not to mention children for whom the covid risk is almost zero. If you are very old, have comorbidities or are just scared, it makes sense to take a chance on the jab. For everyone else, acquiring natural immunity is definitely the way to go. Helps to be able to think critically.
Thanks for proving my point.
But what the hell does the US have to offer? Debt?
That's because you aren't from America. Go home you fucking squatter thief!
? I’m a United States citizen born in the United States
You're squatting on stolen land.
Turtle Island isn't yours, and as long as you stay without permission you're cursed. That's why your life sucks.
Cool
It's not. Go home criminal!
Where can I go this is my home I was born here?.. I guess I can go to Croatia as it’s my main heritage but like yeah obviously the Europeans stole land from the Native Americans but also they weren’t able to defend it.. that’s been human history since the dawn of time.. bigger guy with a bigger stick takes it because he can.. but that’s not my fault
It is your fault, you're party to the crime.
Just because you're a casual looter riding the coattails of the actual genociders doesn't make you any less culpable. You're dammed to hell.
Where do you live? Cuz I’m sure it was stolen from someone else… like it’s a weak argument.. I am not my ancestors.. I never owned slaves I never stole land.. I was born here it’s were I live I didn’t take it from anyone somebody else did
You're a settler colonizer benefiting from genocide and you're damned for it. Not complicated.
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I’m not a settler I never settled here I was born here and if I leave to go somewhere else I’ll be “colonizing” settling there.. like I honestly just don’t understand what your argument is.. but I guess you don’t have one you’re just mad Hawaii got rekt
Go home thief
Can’t already home
I mean Japan is super racist, so yea..
Japan is also where the highest work related suicides happen. Amazing culture, people and country but you won't have your voice or opinion over there like you think you might.
Well I thought Vietnam was AWESOME! Have not ever met a traveler that did not agree, not a one. And have met LOTs of travelers.
In my computer simulated Metaverse? Vietnam ROCKS!
Suggest a reboot?
:-)
Basically all the loser white sexpats and pedophiles go to SE Asia, especially Thailand and Philippines.
Everywhere in Vietnam. Fat old white men dangling a better life in front of young women from their gross dicks.
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Full Australia?
Where I am, literally today we’ve stopped using masks and check-ins. I know some people try to make up all sorts of BS about awful things happening, but the reality is most people have done the right thing and we’re ready to put this behind us because of it. That’s the vibe.
No matter how good it looks on video, Australian protesters are a small minority who spend too much time following foreign agitators. I’ll agree the police and government response is bad, but we’ve been an authoritarian democracy since Federation, what did you expect? Certainly the protest organisers know exactly what response they’re provoking - it’s about staging a scene for publicity, there’s no expectation of any other outcome.
I'm an American living in Vietnam. Can confirm. I am scum
Honestly, why? What drew you to immigrate there?
I came for a visit and liked it. I have many friends here and it's easier to afford a decent lifestyle. I'm also joking about being scum. I know what he's talking about, but there are plenty of good people here. And because of Covid, a lot of the "scum" had left.
I figured you were joking about being scum. What do you mean by decent lifestyle? And what of that lifestyle wasn't available in America? I'm not trying to argue with you or anything, I'm just curious to hear about things from people with experiences different from mine.
I have a two bedroom apartment less than 5 minutes from one of the best beaches in the world. I pay about $450 in rent. I'm in a quiet spot as well as a few blocks from one of the top shopping and social districts in the city. I have a motorbike and pay around 15 or 20usd in gas per month. Most things I eat cost about two dollars. I can't afford anything like this at all in America. I'm working on developing my own NY style bagel and other NY style food establishment. There is a demand for bagels, but no one can make a good one.
Bagels are one of the great mysteries on earth.
That's where I come in ;)
i have nothing but hope for you to succeed. I wish there was a good bagel place where I am. Spread the love of bagels around the world.
Where you at in Vietnam mate? Been in Korea for 4 , spent 5 years in Bangkok (architect in my 20’s not a retired sexpat 😅) and I’m aching to back in more tropical climes.
I used to visit Vietnam a lot for Visa purposes; DaNang/ Hoi An, Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh, loved every visit. Still got flight tickets for Danang that the airline is holding since March 2020 when corona first caused borders to close in Korea.
As the situation seems like it’ll never end im going to just say fuck it after next summer and spend time in Thailand/ Vietnam traveling around the mountains, the beaches and surfing all winter.
Anyway you mentioned the bagels which made me laugh. I’m in the same situation but with Greek yoghurt. Everyone wants ‘proper’ greek yoghurt, however the supermarket shit here is just normal yoghurt with Greece wrote on the side. There are some shops in Seoul that sell it, but it’s needlessly expensive. So I started making and selling it myself recently, just doing home deliveries and with zero advertising I’ve made $1000ish from the first 3 weeks.
Could also do with decent NY bagels here too mate!
I'm in Danang. I'm working on my NY style cuisine. I have my pizza, bagels, apple pie, cheesecake and other things. I'm really off the radar right now but I hope to change that soon. A few people know about it, but I have to pay the bills. Teaching isn't going to cut it anymore. I'm here for the long haul.
Western money goes a long way in SE Asia. I don't blame him.
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You have misread the comment, if the comma was after “Japan” it would mean what you think they were saying. They mean it is already as it should be.
Ha! Thanks :)
lmao you reckon Thailand is where the "scum of the earth go to settle down" ??
hahahahahahah .. wow
that probably says more about you than it does people from Thailand.
lmao - imagine saying this about Australia or any western country.
"We're going to implement policy that's very careful about we let in - specifically regarding the dilution of our own culture"
you'd be inundated by remarks citing racism instantly.
funny how people's perception works if you just swap out the culture/ethnicity.
You can get a PR relatively easily. They just don't accept dual citizenship so you will have to give up your other citizenship status if you want to be a Japanese citizen.
In terms of staying in Japan I don't imagine anyone will have much issue if they work and pay their tax like everyone else. And recently they have relaxed many of their immigration laws due to low birthrate, aging workforce and depopulation.
If you wanna move, now is as good a time as any.
it took me 10 years to get a PR, which is a normal thing, tell me again how easy it is to get PR in Japan
it took me 10 years to get a PR, which is a normal thing, tell me again how easy it is to get PR in Japan
Under the old standard rule you are required to have lived in Japan for 10 years
Now it depends on how soon you manage to reach your evaluation point: https://www.juridique.jp/visa/new.php
So yeah I'll tell you again: it's much easier now to apply for PR in Japan. Staying in Japan is even easier:
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/11/18/national/japan-indefinite-visas/
'Much easier' doesn't mean 'easy' .I'm sure there are regulations that one cannot get around, and under the new rules it could mean that some will never get it, dunno
Never said easy. I said “relatively” easily.
There are many countries that's harder to get a PR than Japan.
I'm sure there are regulations that one cannot get around
Like what?
and under the new rules it could mean that some will never get it
Like who?
Also, Australia rarely ever hand out PR to people over 45, yet it is known to be “an easy country to get PR”. Many EU countries are far more strict with their process of getting a PR. Austria, Switzerland...etc. Japan is now no more difficult to apply for PR than the likes of these countries, needing only a minimum of 3 years before the evaluation process can begin. (only 1 year if you manage to reach 80 points)
So yes, relatively easily.
Ummm...the regulations changed in 2017... six years after I got mine....meh, it's a different world there now
Ummm...the rgulations changed in 2017... six years after I got mine....meh, it's a different world there now
Haha yeah, it's because they have a huge problem with aging workforce and low birthrate, but hey you got your PR so I'm happy for you :)
The housing market in Japan is affordable too, but they have a weird inheritance law so most people prefer to rent.
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genepool being tainted
Let me guess, you're definitely not racist, just proud of your white heritage
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Hello, bigoted trash
"If you want your race and culture to continue existing, you're bigoted trash"
-actual bigoted and genocidal piece of trash, 2021
Hey, guess what: race is nothing but bullshit advise only purpose is as flypaper for fascists, and my culture is basically a nice big set that excludes you
race is nothing but bullshit
Nah, it's scientifically real, but that doesn't change the fact that we're all humans.
However, replacing the middle east's population with Europeans would of course be viewed as immoral through your anti-white eyes, so you've got to admit that the converse is also true. If you cannot do so, then you are an avowed racist.
my culture is basically a nice big set that excludes you
Lol alright, triggered little bigot. Take care x
Nah, it's scientifically real
What does this mean?
However, replacing the middle east's population with Europeans would of course be viewed as immoral through your anti-white eyes, so you've got to admit that the converse is also true.
That you think this is happening to "white people" is so insane. I'm honestly curious to hear why you think this.
Go enjoy your racist fantasies
So are you for gentrification or no? Because that's a double standard
If Asia is for Asians, and Africa is for Africans, then Europe is for Europeans.
Thank you for disproving yourself?
The only allure of europe or america is the wealth and opportunity. If you racist assholes really wanted to prevent immigration, you would support massive spending in developing nations to prevent peoples' desire to leave them.
Deep breaths, triggered little man. Deep breaths.
You're not in danger; the voices in your head aren't real. Just relax.
This is particularly ironic coming from someone who just claimed europeans are in danger of becoming minorities in their homeland, and implied that is some grave danger.
lmao exactly this
I'm not white.....
Want a merit badge?
Just admit you were wrong instead of deflecting.
Doe you really think it matters which heritage you're proud of? White, asian American; who cares?
You were the one who started off accusing me of being proud of my "white" heritage. Why did you automatically assume I am white just because I pointed out that there's nothing wrong with wanting to preserve your culture? You do realize that almost every race and ethnicity around the world share similar beliefs.
The fact that you don't realise you're just digging your hole deeper is hilarious
I see that you're just projecting. Well whatever helps you cope...
Do you honestly not get that the 'white' part of this is completely irrelevant; a placeholder for the narrow-minded bigotry that it represents, that most people would easily understand? You're from the exact same factory, just packaged for a different brand.
Lmao genepools, go through this guys post history. Stfu you hypocritical fuck
Well yeah.. because thats racist! /s
Sooooo hey Nazi.
Basically every Asian, Middle Eastern, African, and certain Latin American nations are adamant about preserving their ethnic culture. Does make them ALL a "Nazi"?
Yikes
It's really weird to see a white nationalist just straight up say how they would prefer to move to a non-white country.
Your comment has actually been somewhat enlightening for me. It seems like your real driving force is subordinating women, which you think a white reject can do in Japan. I sincerely wish you good luck in dealing with your demons.
so much so that they are going extinct. People in Japan aren't having enough kids apparently.
so much so that they are going extinct.
Hahahaha... you can't be serious. They have a population of over 125 million people.
People in Japan aren't having enough kids apparently.
Japan has an overcrowding problem.
The population will decline for a while, then it will pick up again.
Japan's population began to decline in 2011.[6] In 2014, Japan's population was estimated at 127 million; this figure is expected to shrink to 107 million (16%) by 2040 and to 97 million (24%) by 2050 should the current demographic trend continue.[7] A recent global analysis found that Japan was one of 23 countries which could see a total population decline of 50% or more by the year 2100
I am ready to move to Japan. Tell me when
Good thing they're Japan, otherwise if it were Europe or US/Canada that would be an automatic Nazi card.
what's Osaka like? I normally have an internship deal for Osaka, but let's see :)
I love the architecture
Had one of the funnest nights of my life in Osaka..such a dope city and the food is incredible.
Missionary??
10mo in Hirakata city myself. Best experience in my life, tbh. Between Osaka and Kyoto, best of both (old and new) worlds.
Adopt me please.
Guarantee they will for foreigners though lol
Yeah where's the part of this conspiracy that points out that Japan closes it's borders faster than Madagascar on Plague Inc as soon as it sniffs a covid case?
Or that voluntary vaccination and mask wearing are extremely high to begin with
Or that the pandemic never actually hit them because they aren't a country of fat fucks.
Or they just tested symptomic cases
Italy ain't no country of fat fucks and we got destroyed by this pandemic at the start
Italy is fucking fatties. Around half of all Italians are overweight regardless of sex or gender. One in 10 is obese. That means there's a superspreader every 2-3 households.
Granted, there are a lot of borderline fatties that are in denial, and think that their skinny fat bodies are healthy, but they are still just fucking fat.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate
What you want to do is scroll to the bottom of this list.
You will find a bunch of countries at the bottom of the list that barely got hit by coronavirus.
I don't know whether to be offended for my country, impressed by your argumentative skills or saddened by the fact you spent 8 hours researching this
Yea I'm on Reddit all the time like you, throughout the night.
I was just playing!
Well that doesn’t go along with the right wing agenda here so that part gets omitted..
I am a foreigner living in Japan. Nobody has asked me about my vaccination status here.
Japan discriminated against foreigners at the beginning of the pandemic. They closed the border except for Japanese citizens. Foreign residents that happened to be outside of the country could not return for about half a year. Thankfully by now, residents and citizens are treated the same when crossing the border.
It's a matter of most Japanese not asking "personal details" as well as high mask and vaxx compliancy in addition to low cases that there's really no need for people TOO ask whether or not you're vaxxed.
I've always liked Japan, and this is another reason to like it.
Other reasons: Anime, robots, games, electronics and discipline.
Bruh
Japan also has super strict laws and justice system, many freedoms are completely restricted.
Also, seems to be rather a racist and otherwise conservative society. Oh, and the government to this date denies atrocities done in WW2. A lot of pros, but also a lot of cons.
Every single party involved in WW2 committed atrocities and crimes against humanity. Everyone besides Germany denies them.
Facts
Absolutely, and we should call every one of them out.
"churchill bengal forgotten genocide" is an interesting search query
How do they deny them? Did they claim that it never happened?
Well Japan pretty actively denies what happened at nanjing, as well as using Korean women as sex slaves during their occupation. Pretty much every allied country openly targeted civilians with bombing campaigns. Our bombing strategy was to basically bomb all of Germany’s factories to cripple their ability to produce weapons, bombs, and vehicles and stuff. It’s estimated that well over 100,000 civilians were killed during the firebombing of Dresden. USA also used atomic weapons to kill civilians in japan, but before they did that they had already killed about 100,000 civilians during the firebombing of Tokyo. You will never hear an American or British institution call any of those things atrocities, it may have been necessary but the Allies still killed a fuckload of civilians. Basically war is hell and should be avoided at all costs. USSR had had the Katyn massacre in Poland and also killed a shitload of civilians too.
Germany is the obvious one lol.
Find me a government that doesn't deny something shitty they've done
If you ask me, it is particularly shitty to deny things that are this old. But yeah, every country has some shit to hide. Of course.
The big difference is that Japan stopped doing it.
Asian cultures go back thousands of years. To them WWII was basically yesterday. China, Korea, Japan--these cultures think about things on a much longer time scale than westerners (esp. Americans). Not defending their actions, just trying to add some perspective.
Source: Asian Studies/Intl Relations major with 10+ years in Asia.
You and I seem to have wildly different definitions of culture.
tf you talking about…?
"Asian culture" is not something that you can date in relation to other cultures. We are all one culture, with interesting different parts, but you can't really pinpoint one date where the "asian culture" started. We all have a long history, and it all began in Africa. I hope you see what I mean.
Also... who is actually looking at this that way? Do Africans have an even longer understanding? And for them, the fall of Rome was yesterday or something? It just doesn't make any sense. We're all human beings, and we all have short lives, know a lot about our parents, a bit about our grandparents, and not much about their parents. Who in his right mind would suggest that this is different for Asians or Africans?
Yeah fair point
Germany
USA. for the most part there are a bunch of people in Congress that talk about that all the time
You didn’t list any cons for a lot of people here.
I've stayed in Japan for three months, and while it is a commonly accepted theory, I don't think it matters at all.
First of all, I never felt hated or eyeballed or anything over there. On the contrary, people were super fkn nice and respectful. That's just their culture. So even if some of them do hate you deep down inside, they will never show it or act upon it. Worst case scenario they'll just complain about you in the privacy of their own homes.
And even when it comes to legal issues, it's not like they will overtly discriminate against you. They allow foreigners to buy property there, have the same tax laws than the Japanese, even allow you the chance to become a Japanese citizen. Now sure there may be some biases here and there, but again, they won't overtly and openly turn the law against you either.
I believe the biggest prejudice Japan may have on foreigners is work related. Getting a job there will definitely be incredibly difficult, unless it's a specific area that favours foreigners. But if a foreigner is going to try out for a normal office job, where there's a bunch of Japanese also handing out their resumes, yeah the foreigner has no chance in hell of landing that job lol.
And also, I only stayed in Tokyo. Maybe being in such a tourist magnet location helped, and most of the racists are further in land. Tho I doubt its the case. I don't see the countryside Japanese caring at all about the rest of the world and its people.
I don't know where you got your sources but buying property as a foreigner is 100% untrue. You need to at least have permanent resident or Japanese citizen to get the chance to buy. And just to get those specific requirements is difficult as you need to know 100% Japanese which personally it's unfair if someone Japanese level lacks. This was to prevent the cases like Canada where Chinese bought property. Japanese xenophobia has risen alot over the years so i honestly will say tatemae is a thing but it shows especially when they get drunk
Chinese property ownership can fuck right off out of Canada.
Restricting property ownership to citizens is perfectly reasonable. Why that would make Japan racist, is beyond me.
I dont know a single person who is stoked or even remotely supports Chinese property ownership in canada. It is strictly against the interest of your citizenship.
I duckduckgo'd it yesterday. The three first search results said that I could.
That’s because you can and the people saying you can’t are incorrect.
Legally you “can” buy property. It’s just never done unless you’re throwing it under a company and paying a lot more than a Japanese person would. Even renting apartments is difficult as foreigners living here. There’s still a lot of discriminatory practices that irk me, but the pros outweigh the cons to me. Search results will always say that yeah legally it’s all fine, real experience every gaijin here knows it ain’t so easy. Tokyo being the easiest and most accepting since it’s the major city, and more comfortable with a large foreign population. Still, we are what, 2~3% of the population and cannot vote so any difficulties we face won’t change since who cares we hold no political power here. It is what it is.
Hmm I see what you're saying. Good to know.
What is this nonsense? There are tons of foreigners here who own their own homes. The only difficulty is buying stuff like farmland or like you said renting property from racist landlords.
Is the process of getting a mortgage more difficult for foreigners? Yeah without a doubt, but it’s still possible and done all the time. And many wealthy foreigners purchase property directly with cash as well.
I am not sure how you imagine foreigners will pay a lot more, do you imagine if a foreigner offers the asking price for a property they are going to say no we don’t want your money or the price has suddenly increased?
Edit: you can see proof of foreigners getting mortgages by doing something as simple as searching the japanlife subreddit for “mortgage”, there are people getting mortgages without even being permanent resident here.
I am sure you can buy property as a foreigner, but Japanese banks won't lend you money if you are not a permanent resident.
If anything, I have the feeling that xenophobia has dropped over the last years.
Source: I am a foreign resident who owns property.
Everyone experience is different. For me I've noticed it grown in the more local areas how forienger are treated compared to before. All the local izakaya I go to aren't the same anymore as COVID became a thing. But it's all hypocrisy with alot of Japanese. They don't want forienger cus COVID spreading yet they are the same ones complaining and not getting vaxxed
You don’t need to know Japanese “100%” to gain PR. You also don’t need to have PR to buy property. There are no laws explicitly barring non-citizens or PR holders from buying property. Maybe what you meant is that unless you are a citizen or a PR-holder, it is quite difficult to secure a loan to buy property. But even then, it’s not impossible, just more difficult.
Also, Japan has an enormous problem with Chinese firms and residents purchasing land in huge quantities in the countryside and around military installations.
I know of non resident foreigners that have purchased property in Japan
Thanks for your personal insight. :)
Happy to share my personal experience 😁 Japan was awesome!
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There's a difference. Japan's atrocities were in lands that are no longer their own, and thus "no longer their problem" to deal with the echos. We still have to deal with the economic and social echos of past direct and indirect systemic injustices inside the U.S.
Why is any of that bad?
Lol in the USA, the party of the KKK, Japanese internment camps, the federal reserve, segregation, the trail of tears and the one in charge when they dropped nuclear bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki is the same party that currently is lecturing everyone else on justice and morality.
What is your evidence that they are racist?
Personal accounts, for example in this thread, videos, blogs, documentaries, all that stuff.
In my experience, most Asian countries have racist cultures.
Having strict immigration and wanting to preserve the ethnic makeup of your country is not "racist." It's simple common sense.
IDK, that sounds pretty nationalist to me. It's not much better.
Having strict immigration and wanting to preserve the ethnic makeup of your country is not "racist."
I fully agree with you. That's not what I meant with "racism". I meant the actual definition of racism.
Order> “freedom” (ability to destroy your self with your vice of choice)
Fascist moment
Maybe he plays a lot of Civ5?
Lol
Lol
many freedoms are completely restricted
Such as?
Walk around tokyo and have a run in with police without your passport.
If you are detained, even for a minor offence, you may be held without charge for up to 23 days.
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You must carry your passport or residence card at all times.
A photocopy will not satisfy authorities. Police officers in Japan may ask for your identification documents at any time.
If you fail to do so, you could face arrest or detention.
Source: canadian govt
Note the passport rule and detention time. They like to hold people for 3 weeks before deporting them just to screw with foreigners.
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So which freedom is restricted? The freedom to walk around without passport or other ID? That is common in many countries, and it is a bit thin as evidence that "many freedoms are completely restricted". Also, it only concerns foreigners. Japanese citizens don't have to carry any sort of ID.
Personally, I had to show my ID once in 20 years. The policeman apologised, saying that he had to check since I acted suspiciously.
Getting held for three weeks without any cause is definitely a sore point in the Japanese justice system. Police can be overbearing at times, but again, that is not uncommon elsewhere.
Other freedoms, such as speech or religion, are totally unrestricted. This is why you may see things like https://i.imgur.com/YYIfN7D.jpg in Tokyo.
Is it unusual to have to produce your passport? No.
Is it unusual to have a world wide reputation for throwing foreigners in jail for 3 weeks then kicking them out of the country because the foreigner didn't have the passport on their person? Yes.
ETA: And that one is a big enough lack of freedom for me to not go hunt for more.
Also the overt racism is deal breaker for me. But I'm wacky like that.
throwing foreigners in jail for 3 weeks then kicking them out of the country
How many cases are you aware of?
Also the overt racism is deal breaker for me
Not sure what you experienced, but neither myself nor my children (all looking European at varying degrees) have noticed overt racism.
I'd love a reality show where these stupid white racists move to their "dream country" and see how things actually go for them.
Reasons to not like Japan: their crazy work standards
watches too
all of my fav fashion is out of japan too save for rick; undercover, number nine, mihara, takahiro, junya, yohji, the list goes on
Was gonna include them but thought people in 2021 aren't that crazy about watches anymore. I love Japanese watches and have two Japanese watch brands, Casio and Citizen.
Casio is best especially the F-91W
The all time classic.
Wow, I did not know Citizen is Japanese. am loyal to those eco drive ones.l, wearing one right now. Last one is still running after like 20 years but got new one because it was so scratched up
And knives
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Suicide rate , toxic work culture, racism,xenophobia ,weird fetish about school girl. I see why you love Japan.
Not even in the top 10 highest and as of 2019 actually lower suicide rates than the US supposedly.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country
Also workers in Japan technically have better rights than workers in the US. Of course there is a toxic work culture that tries to get Japanese workers not to utilize their rights but that's slowly changing. Of the 3 companies I've worked so far in Japan 2 were incredibly progressive and 1 was awful but Korean work culture is far far worse.
Racism and xenophobia applies to every country, at least in Japan your chances of being hate-crimed are incredibly low. A lot of "xenophobia" gets overblown by non Japanese-speaking white people who whinge about Japanese people not wanting to sit next to them on a train of all things.
And the best autos
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Been to Japan. This is patently false.
Very USA take on Japan
3 hours for the fetishizing to begin, might be a reddit record when discussing Japan.
That is statistically impossible.
Edit: It is statistically impossible for the average to be above average.
Yeah and their low sex drive and declining birth rate, require some good natured foreigners such as us, to help fixing the issue.
You know, for the good of humanity and whatnot.
If you think Japanese aren't having sex you're totally wrong. US would have a declining birth rate as well if there wasn't a huge amount of migrants coming in to off-set that.
Nobody wants kids in the developed world because they're a financial burden compared to an asset in countries like the Phillipines where having a large amount of kids just produces more hands to help around and if you're really lucky, one of your children might end up on 90 day fiance and get that sweet American cash.
Lol its a known proven fact, and has been plenty of studies and documentaries about it.
Not having babies is not the same thing as not having sex.
Yeah bro they're totally gonna wanna fuck a loser like you.
Lol you sure got salty over a joke. Or did you think I was being serious when I said it was for the good of humanity 🤣?
Take a chill pill, or take a whoosh, whichever you prefer.
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hentai
Feudal era architecture, woodworking, sword craftsmanship, wagyu beef, ramen, sushi, video games too.
Ugh.
Other reasons:sushi!!!!
The Japanese were also wearing masks for public health long before COVID 19 came around.
If your population observes public health guidelines on their own, there’s no need to mandate anything.
That Japanese guilt goes DEEP lmao
Jokes aside this is great, I have a friend in Japan so this made my day :)
When a huge majority of your population cooperates with efforts willingly, mandates are not necessary.
I came in fully expecting posts like this to be downvoted to oblivion but I'm glad it's not.
Point out that Japan is proof masking and vaccinating works and people huffing the glue spaz out and downvote you but then people want to circlejerk over Japan not enacting any mandates.
In addition to incredibly strict border closing measures, Japanese people have overwhelmingly complied to every single government suggestion regarding stopping the spread of corona. Petty much every store has hand sanitizer at the entrance, mask compliancy is easily over 90% and the vaccine rate is iirc 78%, probably somewhere in the 80's if you take out those who still can't get it (iirc Japan hasn't started on children yet)
There's no mandates because constitutionally, Japan had trouble mandating even a quarantine and ultimately there was no need to enact any mandates because the people have been responsible.
Yeah, because the Japanese aren't selfish dumbasses like the Americans.
Eh, cultural differences.
Its so frustrating, isn't it?
If it were that simple, then new York wouldn't need additional mandates. Only 8% behind Japan's vaccination rates yet continually introducing more extreme mandates.
Anyone from a neighboring state can visit New York.
As if all the anti-vaxxers are rushing en masse into NYC where they have vax passports. Yup, that's definitely why NYC lowered the passport age to 5 /s
True, but NY has 3 more mandates than Japan. Take away 2 for geography, you still have more mandates in NY with similar compliance as Japan.
8% isn't similar, that's like 1/12 people.
scary username buddy
It's the coordinates to dildo cove, Newfoundland. I think it's fucking hilarious
Lmao ok I retract my previous statement
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Are you being for real? You can visit from any state.
You do realise that Japan has an advantage as an island country that has had their borders closed to everyone except residents and special exceptions. Anyone entering is required to do a 2 week quarantine. The government requires you to download an app that calls you and checks your location during the quarantine. PCR tests are required before boarding your flight and again upon arrival.
When cases started to rise before most people were vaccinated, serving alcohol was prohibited in restaurants, which also had to close at 8pm.
Additionally, almost every person in Japan wears a mask from the time they leave their home to the time they return.
8% is a hell of a lot of difference when it comes to community transmission
South Korea's population is complying, and their mandates are getting worse. They just banned unvaccinated from pretty much everywhere, 4-person restriction on gatherings, plus all restaurants/businesses have to close by 9 PM, and you have to scan a QR code anywhere you go
Wow that’s crazy.
Do yall even look at domain names anymore???
The source they (the website not OP) link to is a Japanese government website, so is there any problem with the actual content or do you just ignore anything not from approved websites?
None of the above. They simply dont like the post. They dont agree with it so they pretend its invalid. I believe we call them salty libcuck shills.
Cant believe this needs said here but propoganda doesnt mean the info is wrong. Its how its portrayed. And theres a lot of facts they are choosing to leave out. Like the fact Japan has been using masks to control spread of disease since pre covid and has a significantly higher vaccination rate. But no no soak up all this solid knowledge from the great depropaganda.com.... So its almost like its propoganda.....
Lmao this sub, every time I open a comment section it's like walking into a kindergarten and seeing people trying to stop the kids from huffing glue without much success.
It's like watching Lord of the flies
The visuals I get of this are hilarious.
That’s not necessary. The only important thing is the headline fits their worldview.
Yeah, because public data and a reference to the official Japan goverment website is not to be trusted, right? I guess the next website to say "2+2=4" must be a propagandist and full of bias.
Look at all the people on this thread saying ‘looks like I’m moving to Japan’ but they carefully leave out that Japan is 80% vaccinated, estimated to be 100% by spring, and the Japanese people wear masks without needing the mandates. But suuuuuure, the people who refuse to wear a mask or vaccinate will definitely feel right at home there. Plus, this website literally has propaganda in the name... and you eat it right up. Why? Because what they said fits your narrow minded worldview that “masks/vaccines bad”.
LMAO like Japan would even allow these unvaxxed fat asses into their country.
Also missing the point Japan is an island lol
Not all of us here are unvaxxed. I don't think Japan would allow dumb asses into their country either.
Man, I can feel the heat of anger emanating from you, you angry soul. We're just simply celebrating Japan is saying no to the vaccine mandates and whatnot, nothing beyond that. Hope our own country and the rest follow suit eventually. Your posts stinks of propaganda shilling.
Sure, now fuck off.
Don't tell me what to do.
I had to scroll so far fucking down to see this, at least your aren't downvoted to oblivion
What's wrong with the domain name?
Idk man i just feel depropaganda seems like a name a serious journalist would maybe pass over...
Because "serious journalists" are the ones spreading the propaganda?
Define "serious journalist". Because "professional journalists" nowadays seem to have to lean into mainstream, popular political propagandization in order to make a career for themselves, as opposed to being a "proper journalist" instead.
Dispropaganda sounds like a fine name to me, in theory. "Anti-propaganda", effectively.
Though, considering that "Anti-fa" is blatantly fascistic and spawned from a communist bloc, I can sympathize with your concerns over people being tricked by the name.
"Anti-fa" is blatantly fascistic and spawned from a communist bloc
Are they communist or fascist? They're not the same thing, you do know that right? You're not just repeating buzzwords and phrases? Course not.
Fair enough, I meant fascistic tactics. There's a direct genealogical line from Marxist-socialism to both fascism and communism, but they're not the same.
How are their tactics “fascist?”
How are they not? They attack people (sometimes randomly, such as the trans person who was beaten by an Antifa crowd, leading to the "kicked in the face from behind guy" video), scream ideological nonsense at normal people/police/counter-protestors, set fire to municipal structures and private property (in Portland and beyond), constantly try to prevent information about their activities and collaboration from getting out (censorship by violence), etc, etc, among other things.
Hell, even Wikipedia has the integrity to admit that Antifa "engages in protesting and other tactics, including digital activism, doxing, harassment, physical violence, and property damage", yet their article clarifies that Antifa does all this to "people who antifa identifies as being fascists and racists, such as neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other far-right extremists", but that's pretty goddamn tenuous when they're a hard-left group who identifies anyone to even the slight right of them as a Nazi. To them, the center-left might as well be Heinrich Himmler.
If you'd like to know more, you can always buy Andy Ngo's book about Antifa, wherein he details exactly how they operate (like ISIS cells, if you were curious) and all of the fucking evil fascist-like shit they've done (and still do).
They took the name from an anti-fascist group, but even that first German group was comprised of communists. Sure, it's good to be against fascism. But being a communist isn't better.
So I read all of that and you still didn’t explain how Antifa acts in a fascist manner.
Acting like fascist goons isn't acting in a fascist manner?
What would you describe acting in a fascist manner as?
Acting in a fascist manner would be advocating for fascist policies, or if you have to power to do so, implementing them into the government.
Which should concern you, as fascism and Marxist-socialism (what Antifa advocates for) are directly related to each other. Benito Mussolini was a Marxist until he designed fascism by "taking what worked" from Marx and Engel's writing, essentially. Quite a bit of socialism and fascism is shared, because a Marxist designed fascism.
I’d love to hear about this direct genealogical line from Marxist-socialism to fascism. From my understanding they’re essentially polar opposites.
Negative. When Hitler was rising to power, part of developing Nazism was, essentially, taking Marxist-socialism and pruning the parts that he and his cohorts believed didn't work. For one, the "proletariat vs. bourgeoisie uprising". For another, Marx and Engel's baseless assumption that, in the wake of the bloody overthrowing of the bourgeoisie rulers, the reorganization of society into socialism/communism would just suddenly make the new society hyper-productive. There's literally nothing to substantiate any of that idea in the Communist Manifesto or Das Kapital, but it's a fundamental assumption.
In an extended sort of way, it's funny. Marx clearly did not understand the kind of people that comprise the "proletariat", which is a collective term for the working class. Socialism and communism are both left-wing schemas, but the working class is overwhelmingly going to be right-wing, because the personality requirement for being functionally working class is high conscientiousness, which happens to correlate highly with conservatism (being right-wing).
Politics, at its core, is expression of people's individual temperament/personality applied to an expanded scale than the individual. Which means that Marx was appealing to a portion of the population (any nation's population, really, let alone the world) that is diametrically opposed to the kind of vision he was trying to push. Which is why it's no surprise that he was eventually revolted by the kinds of people who proclaimed to be "Marxists", because they were often left-wing (high in openness, not conscientiousness) and "champagne socialist" types. Infant bourgeoisie, essentially.
In fact, as I was researching, I stumbled across this Econlib article that does justice to the topic: https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html
I think "Fascism is just Marxism with a capitalist veneer." is an approximately-decent-enough summation of it. Fascism being a product of Benito Mussolini (a Marxist-turned-Fascist) does, indeed, provide that direct genealogical link.
EDIT: I should clarify, pointing to the first and last paragraphs, that it would be more technically correct to credit "fixing" socialism to Mussolini, and then any further Nazism-particular "refinements" to Hitler's regime. As Mussolini was the architect of fascism, described in the linked article, he would be the one that originally "took what worked".
Due to the phrasing of those statements, I find it necessary to state that fascism and Nazism are both abhorrent totalitarian blights upon history and the civilizations they crippled. I despise both fascists and Nazis, and find their ideologies repugnant, but the used phrasing is suitably accurate when given quotations to denote approximation of meaning.
Oooo yea i understand now....
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To be fair, further down, I do believe he admits he misunderstood. I'm willing to see it as an honest mistake.
what does a domain name have to do with Japan's policy against vaccinations? if you were actually attempting to employ some critical thinking you would've easily verified the facts within this domain with a search. good luck out in the world, it must be a frightful (or splendidly peaceful) place.
Germany on point
HANS, VEE NEED MORE TRAINS!
ZEE UNVAXXED IST OUR UNGLUCK!
Yesterday, 10,000 tractors came out onto the streets to protest the mandates. It was at night and a sight to behold. Whilst the Americans, who started it all, again, just whine at school boards.
Yeah. We need to be world champion in literally everything or we are not happy.
It's in their blood to be cucks to tyrants. Don't bully them!
not onpoint, it hits maybe the image you got conditioned in alot years in your head, but not regular average german, like me.
If you meet europeans they dont really differ that much, its propaganda/media who tries to tell you otherwise.
But 80% of the people are already fully vaccinated and 91% have at least received one dose....
Funny, since Israel is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world and is already planning a 4th booster and yet covid rates and hospitalization continue to be high.
The vaccinated are the only ones who are allowed to travel and they have spread Omicron throughout the world.
Okay and?
They don't need to force the vaccine on people because they understand the benefits of it.
Japan has the same vaccination rates as a multitude of countries still implementing sweeping mandates.
Canada and Australia are vaccinated at 1% less than japan, yet here we are. It has nothing to do with Japanese people somehow having a better understanding.
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So coercion from your government is ok?
Of course they wouldn't.
The point of contention is that after hitting 75%+ japan isn't following suit by trying to coerce 100% of its population into taking it.
The reason isn't mask wearing. In canada I've literally never seen anybody in a public indoor setting not wearing a mask. I get this is an anecdote, take it as you like.
Yet the people on reddit would try to have me believe that anti maskers are the reason we're still here?
I'm as against these vaccines as they come. Most people i discuss this with would definitively label me as antivax under the current circumstances. Yet I still wear my mask when required.
Theres are not as many "anti maskers" as people think there are.
Looks like 90% mask wearing compliance has kept those infections and deaths down so they don't need them. Well done Japan for having a social responsibility
Yeah, but people in Japan also wear masks without pissing and moaning like a country full of super-sized babies, so there's also that...
😂
Masks don't work. If they did, then people who wear masks all day wouldn't be catching covid.
I see you still don't understand the point of masks. My mask is to protect you from me, and vice versa.
This is the way, not just for Japan but for EVERY COUNTRY.
Based Japan.
They also have 80% vaccination rate, pretty much they now reach herd immunity
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The most based thing about them is that in their culture it’s common courtesy to wear a mask when you get sick with anything. So much better than these anti-mask american freaks
Exactly. That was my first thought as well.
Which is why this isn't really a big deal...
And if people over here would do the same, we wouldn't be talking about vax passports over here either.
But people over here like to cry about masks like they're babies being personally persecuted for existing, so here we are...
Lol here in Korea we've all been wearing masks since the start of the pandemic - everyone over age 2 - indoors AND outdoors. And the total population is over 80% vaccinated.
But they still rolled out vax passports last month and are making them incrementally more restrictive.
What’s the case numbers looking like right now since all the benchmarks have been hit. Masks since the beginning, 80% vax rate, and passports- According to leaders of many countries, that was what it would take to beat this.
Funny you should ask! All-time case highs, critical case highs, and death highs.
We had case highs of 1,200 at the biggest peak at the start of the pandemic. Then they stayed well below that until after vax rollout for the elderly - at which point they began rising above 2,000. Once we started vaccinating middle-aged people in summer and early fall, it rose to 5,000. Now that we've vaccinated younger people, we're at 7,000+ a day.
Restrictions have never changed in any meaningful way. Business curfew times change by an hour here or there. The number of people who can eat together in a restaurant goes from 4 to 6 and back. School and day care was only cancelled at the very beginning.
Population density, public transit use, in-person work, etc. have not changed. The only major factor that's changed is that over 80% of people are vaxxed now. Delta doesn't explain it because Delta arrived ages ago. Omicron doesn't explain it because Omicron is mild, but critical cases and deaths are at all-time highs too. Which also shows it's not just a matter of more people getting tested.
Well cases are rising in South Korea to record numbers compared to even the beginning of the pandemic.
Losening restrictions and waning vaccine protection in the elderly specifically is causing cases to spike. Mostly concentrated in Seoul, which ranks 58th globally for population density with a population of 10mil (16,461 km^(2)) whereas Tokyo is less densly populated at 14mil (6,158km^(2)) which has possibly lead to the virus spreading quicker in SK
Loosening restrictions and waning vaccine protection does not explain the situation.
We had case highs of 1,200 at the biggest peak at the start of the pandemic. Then they stayed well below that until after vax rollout for the elderly - at which point they began rising above 2,000. Once we started vaccinating middle-aged people in summer and early fall, it rose to 5,000. Now that we've vaccinated younger people, we're at 7,000+ a day.
Restrictions have never changed in any meaningful way. The business curfew times change by an hour here or there. The number of people who can eat together in a restaurant goes from 4 to 6 and back. School and day care was only cancelled at the very beginning.
Population density, public transit use, in-person work, etc. have not changed. The only major factor that's changed is that over 80% of people are vaxxed now. Delta doesn't explain it because Delta arrived ages ago. Omicron doesn't explain it because Omicron is mild, but critical cases and deaths are at all-time highs too. Which also shows it's not just a matter of more people getting tested.
So masks should only be worn when sick, got it.
Actually no. It was a common routine for most people to wear it during flu season, not just if they think they are sick.
https://web-japan.org/trends/11_culture/pop202008_mask-culture.html
Oh that so called 'flu season of 1918 where mandatory mask wearing, as now, saw off most with bacterial pneumonia. Look it up. And btw, that 'flu' was Rockefeller trying his 'meningitis vaccine' out on the herd. Plus ca change plus ca meme chose.
What the fuck is that sentence dude? I literally can't comprehend the last sentence. This is some /r/ihadastroke shit
This guy has an account less than a year old. No posts. 70 something comments, and comment history only shows him active (in order of most commented subs) in: r/conspiracy, r/Thailand, and r/hankaaronaward. Dude either isn’t a native English speaker (has talked about his hone in Thailand) or a really weird bot.
Alright that makes sense. Now what's the explanation for their shit views and general stupidity?
Bruh, Ima need a citation. SoFarAsIAmAware the 1918 Spanish flu was specifically nasty for two big reasons:
1 - it was a strain of the flu that had only been in two recent outbreaks, in the 1880s and again in 1905. So people in their mid teens to mid thirties were not particularly prepared for it. Coupled with their relatively healthy immune systems dealing with an unknown variant of the flu, it created cytokine storms that would cause them to die within days of infection.
2 - it was spread by the massive human migrations that was the total war machines of an entire world at war.
For those interested the Great War channel does a good job covering the Spanish Flu:
Also if you have been around someone sick like say...contact traced
Shot himself in the foot with that one
Masks are there to catch your exhalations. That's why surgeons wear them. They're to protect others from you as much as they are to protect you from others.
https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(21)00557-2/fulltext
https://cnsnews.com/commentary/dr-jim-meehan/surgeon-destroys-myth-if-masks-dont-work-why-do-surgeons-wear-them
This is an opinion piece, not a study. I trust data over people.
I thought that you might trust a medical expert? Especially a former editor of a medical journal? Or are you suggesting that he doesn't know what he's talking about?
I am suggesting that this is an opinion piece that doesn't cite a single source, so it's as valuable scientifically as all opinions are.
Edit: He also gave the game away at the very beginning-- "surgeons wear a mask so they don't contaminate."
You're looking for the impossible.
Because masks work and the data backs that up.
'People' compend the data.
Math isn't as easy to buy as people.
How so?
Or when you might have a highly contagious disease but have, at least as yet, no symptoms, yes, well done
A disease with no symptoms…
Please don't make me get out the crayons
There are many, Chlamydia is one of the most common that can be asymptomatic but still infective disease (rare, but possible).
Tuberculosis instead is one that can go unnoticed for years, and one day decide to fuck you up big time.
Yeah because in the west we stay home when we get sick lmao. Japan has a crazy work culture where you’re expected to be at work even if you’re sick, that’s why they wear masks.
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Yeah it’s not perfect and people come to work sick but it’s definitely more acceptable in the west. As crazy as you think work culture is in the United States, I guarantee it’s at least twice as crazy in Japan and South Korea.
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Ok lol I’m not speaking in absolutes. It is more common to stay home from work, or to stay home from work for any reason, in the west than it is in the other countries I mentioned. Obviously I was not asserting that every single person in the history of western civilization has stayed home when sick. Does that clear things up?
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Yeah I never claimed they didn’t. I’m saying, pre pandemic it was not a norm in America to wear masks because people tended to stay home when sick. Not everyone does. Masks are more common in east Asia cause it’s more of a norm to put on a mask and go to work when sick. Pre covid it was not really common anywhere for people to wear masks when perfectly healthy. Even in the countries where it was common, it was more something you did when sick as a courtesy.
Masks. Do. Nothing. You 5?
Masks do nothing but we're currently in a thread where roughly 95% of the population of said country wears masks when sick or when they have been in contact with sick people, pick one please
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Yeah American healthcare system is fucked, you’re not gonna hear me disagree with that, but I’m not talking about the healthcare system I’m talking specifically about the culture around professional work environments.
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Fair enough
Health care is free nowhere on this planet. Just because you don't pay personally doesn't mean it is free.
I.e in Germany you pay about 15% of your income for it.
Edit: LOL down votes. Sorry I annoyed you with my facts.
Sounds like a fucking deal sign me the hell up.
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literally every country has taxes but some countries actually use these taxes for infrastructure and healthcare.
This is what happens when you are uninformed. I don't pay for other people's health care with my taxes, but with a forced deduction of nearly 15% from my income on top of the taxes that I am forced to pay, on top of the pension fund I am forced to pay, on top of the so called "solidarity contribution" I have to pay, on top of the nursing care insurance I am forced to pay.
All in all that amounts to about 60% of what my employer pay to me.
"Free" my ass.
On the other side, I am chronically ill and have to take three different medicines every day. The cost for doctor and medication all in all costs about 40€ per month. I currently am forced to pay close to 800€ for insurance every month.
Hospitalzation and such are nowhere near as expensive as in the USA. Not even close. With the 9600€ I get robbed of every year, I could get some nice surgery done. Only very specific treatments are expensive and they are rare conditions.
Your problems are not universal healthcare, they are rooted in the system itself. Probably kind of emberrasing, that you don't know that yourself.
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LOL. Of course there are reasons. One for example being that you are robbing me from my money to give it to other people. Pretty big reason for me.
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I would gladly pay myself for the services I use. Every single one of them. It would still be much cheaper than having to pay for yours as well.
I own two businesses and have actually created jobs and opportunities for people. What have you done up to now that you believe puts you into a position to try to nullify my opinion with feeble ad hominem attacks?
Probably nothing at fucking all. I suspect you have been sucking on society's titties after you finished sucking on your mother's and that is all.
I suspect there is onyl one of us who'd need to grow out of some mindset.
Just because you feel entitled to my shit doesn't actually make it yours, you know.
Bro is this a joke? I have been threatened with firing from so many jobs from calling in sick in the US. For the 20-ish years I have been in the workforce the expectation was always "suck it up, if you're on the schedule we need you here".
Well yeah there are a lot of things about American work culture that are very toxic, especially in the service industry but believe it or not it’s worse in other places. Think a 5 day workweek sucks? In south Korea it’s pretty common to have a 6 day workweek, I know people who work for a Korean company in my area and they tried to implement a 6 day workweek and didn’t understand why their employees didn’t want to do it. In china up until recently a lot of people worked “996” which refers to working 9am-9pm, 6 days a week.
Yeah but dude we do not "stay home when we get sick". We're taught that calling in sick makes you a bad employee. You're just wrong.
Alright well I have certainly never been taught that lol, but yes I know it happens and I agree that there are toxic attitudes toward going to work sick, more so in America than Europe, but I think it is more acceptable to stay home sick here than it is in other places, that was what I meant to say. It feels like my original point has been twisted into me saying that America is a utopia where everyone gets unlimited sick days and that’s not what I said.
It's not about unlimited sick days it's about you saying "we stay home when we get sick". We don't. You're wrong. What you wrote is untrue. I can't even count the amount of times I went to work sick because I felt like I couldn't call in sick in this country. And I certainly can't count the amount of time one of my coworkers did the same thing.
Ok, this has been an enlightening conversation and I see things from your point of view now.
Yes, their culture is one of submission. Very feudal mindset same as all of SE Asia. Been here 20 years.
Mask don’t work tho. It’s been known for decades. The Japanese doing it doesn’t really make a difference
Wear a mask while asymptomatic is like wearing a condom when not having sex. Useless.
If you’re symptomatic then by all means, but at that point just stay home.
Masking healthy people is just stupid.
Japan is trialing passports, BTW.
edit: they're still less assho than other countries about it.
They're issuing vaccine cards just like everywhere else. It's in Japanese but it says municipalities will give you "proof of vaccination including date and type" for work and travel.
Yes, and it's entirely voluntary.
Not if you want to travel.
This depends on the destination country. No need for any documentation when traveling inside Japan (except for a train or plane ticket).
To go to Germany, for example, you have the choice between certificate and test. In any case, this is not under the control of the Japanese government.
I guess I'm happy for Corbett then - he landed in one of the good countries.
Love Corbett. Glad we have him here.
if you click on the article they show a picture of a huge crowed of people outside, EVERY single person has a mask.
Its almost like people's refusal to wear masks is leading to the other.
also they have 78% vaccination rate compared to 61% in the USA.
Japanese people care about each other, none of the people here cheering them would last two seconds in japan, because you fundamentally don't understand why they don't need a mandate to do what is right.
if you click on the article they show a picture of a huge crowed of people outside, EVERY single person has a mask.
Its almost like people's refusal to wear masks is leading to the other.
Yeah, it's "almost" exactly like that...
And I've been trying to tell the anti-vaxers and COVID-deniers in this sub, that exact same shit, for months now...
If you just wear masks voluntarily like responsible people should, we won't ever have to talk about vax mandates or "vax passports."
But nope, that's not good enough for the many people who are in the spot of the Venn diagram where "refuses to get the shot" happens to overlap with "refuses to wear a mask."
They want to eat their cake and keep it too...
But that's not how reality works. The form says "choose one."
... And rejecting one is the same as choosing the other.
This shit is not rocket surgery, people...
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Are you trying to reason with a Branch COVIDian?
That's valid but then your natural immunity expires 6 months later and what? then you need to get the vaccine bruh
Or just catch a little cold once in awhile bruh
Pretty funny those masks went from only being used to stop sweat and hair from going into a surgery wound to a superhero apparatus. Remember how the masks stopped the flu but they didn't stop covid? That is literally the narrative right now because all of those flu deaths were counted as covid deaths.
Remember this gem? The science of these flimsy masks has been known for decades and suddenly changed when they wanted everyone muzzled. The people mandating the masks don't even wear masks most of the time and openly flaunt that they are above their own rules! https://youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI
First off, it's all just a reduction in risk.
You need a full hazmat suit to stop covid,
It's all about reducing the risk, even a few percentage over million of people makes a huge difference.
As for the classic Fauci interview I suggest you rewatch it.
Everything he said in the video is true and he even says based on the information we have right now.
We didn't know at that point 30-40% covid cases are asymptomatic.
That is the great thing about science is we can change are opinion based on new information.
Yeah this is bullshit.
We wear masks virtually everywhere here in Germany and we will probably be among the first to have forced vaccinations.
Stop twisting reality to make it bend to your narrative.
It will never be enough for you people. Never.
Even if masking reduced the chance of getting Covid by a mere 1% that's still a net benefit from 0%.
At this point it's kinda a moot point. The virus in America has gotten so out of hand that even the vaccinated and masking are still at risk of catching it whereas Japan has kept cases low due to strict border control and mask compliance that now post-vaccination, cases fell dramatically.
You ever consider there is no reduced chance but actually an increased chance of getting sick because of people touching their faces all day and then touching other stuff and a lower immune system from continuous depleted oxygen? Where are all the Biohazard bins at every store? Why do I see this seriously dangerous medical waste litter the floors everywhere?
The US and Japan aren't the only 2 countries.
Canada and aus have essentially the exact same vaccination rates as Japan, and have stricter mandates and regulations than both Japan and the U.S.
Funny, since Israel is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world and is already planning a 4th booster and yet covid rates and hospitalization continue to be high.
The vaccinated are the only ones who are allowed to travel and they have spread Omicron throughout the world.
Pretty much everything you said is wrong.
Israel fully vaccinated rate is 63%, vs Japan's 74%.
Israel's current hospital usage is a pandemic low, 2nd lowest at the moment.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/israel?view=daily-deaths&tab=trend
Israel's Health Ministry advisory board decides against fourth COVID shot, for now
https://www.timesofisrael.com/health-ministry-advisory-board-decides-against-fourth-covid-shot-for-now/
Lastly a covid vaccine is not required to fly around the USA and the strictest would be flying to the USA.
Here is a list of exception.
Persons on diplomatic or official foreign government travel
Children under 18 years of age
Persons with documented medical contraindications to receiving a COVID-19 vaccine
Participants in certain COVID-19 vaccine trials
Persons issued a humanitarian or emergency exception
Persons with valid visas [excluding B-1 (business) or B-2 (tourism) visas] who are citizens of a foreign country with limited COVID-19 vaccine availability
Members of the U.S. Armed Forces or their spouses or children (under 18 years of age)
Sea crew members traveling with to a C-1 and D nonimmigrant visa
Persons whose entry would be in the national interest, as determined by the Secretary of State, Secretary of Transportation, or Secretary of Homeland Security (or their designees)
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I am in Washington and I work for a large membership club, we have a state mandate of 100% mask usage indoors, we stopped enforcing the policy because the sheer amount of abuse we received.
We have had girls with guns run around the store the first time we started enforcing masks.
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I don't live in Canada, but I have Japanese extended family.
So I can't speak with much knowledge, but perhaps the mandates and strict policys let you get near Japanese numbers, when Japanese people follow rules and care about the wellbeing of others without the need of a mandate?
none of the people here cheering them would last two seconds in japan
I lasted there for over a year in Japan just fine. USA blew it because we politicized the vaccine from the moment it was first mentioned. A little over a year ago we had all the biden democrats saying they wouldn't take Trump's vaccine and now same people are calling us fascists for questioning it. Social media censoring anything against the vaccine is also bound to push hesitancy to peak levels.
If you look at my post history I mentioned the same thing, but I will point out, Trump didn't do a good job not making it political. As I remember he suggested or talked about calling it the Trumpcine, also that we should picture his face when taking it . Then he got the vaccine in secret at the Whitehouse, after he already had covid. (Natural immunity anybody?)
https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1369876237208915969?t=WdHmK8UdL0yEbOCWq30npg&s=19
Then you have every living formar president coming out to tell people to get vaccinated. Notice no Trump, I don't recall any PSAs of Trump telling us to get vaccinated.
You're right. but he did suggest that idea about the light and the heat. Still looking for the right disinfectant to inject.
Probably because the japanese wear masks and socially distance anyway, plus their vaccinated percentage is one of the highest in the world
Shhh. They're trying to push a narrative.
They're also an island-country that can shut its borders in an instant. They can also closely monitor who enters and exits the island.
The EU nations are just a mass of land filled with all walks of life. They shouldn't be compared when it comes to some things.
Yeah, it’s almost like you don’t have to get to a point where you’re mandating something when your population just gives a shit and does what’s best for the common good.
Do you mean the government doesn’t give a fuck about you and will let you do whatever you want as long as the majority of society is reasonable enough to do what’s right and your unreasonable idiocy is in the minority? That’s craaaaaaaazy da goobermint is nazi germany and wants to put us all in camps bc they is evil bababooey
No, it's because of the culture of accountability in their culture. People who disgrace their family or community used to literally kill themselves in retribution. If it was down to things like you are suggesting then Ireland wouldn't be persecuting 5% of its adult population. Most NPCs haven't realised yet that the vaccine passports are more for them at this point, to make sure they keep taking their forever boosters.
And in a culture of personal responsibility and accountability, the vast majority are vaccinating and wearing masks so idk what your point even was other than repeating your narrative
It's actually more to do with the fact that they've recognized the terrible side effects of the vaccines (they're on the labels in Japan now) and they believe in informed consent. They won't mandate something that poses a risk to their population.
The health ministry is still encouraging people to get vaccinated, printing labels that warn of possible side effects does not mean they disapprove of the vaccine
You can still approve of the vaccine and also advocate for individual choice. It’s shocking to hear but there are actually people out there with that mindset.
When did i disagree with that viewpoint? Your strawman has nothing to do with what i said
And "they disapprove of the vaccine" is clearly not something I said. They do not approve MANDATING the vaccine, therefore they have not and their current stance is that they will not.
My point is, they're offering transparency to their citizens and the opportunity for informed consent unlike most other 1st world countries.
They don’t need to mandate it when almost 80% of their population is already vaccinated and the 20% that aren’t are probably wearing masks and socially distancing
You act like japan is the last bastion of freedom, when they’re actually just a responsible society where people who refuse to wear masks or socially distance are ostracized. They don’t need government mandates, the culture of their society creates a social mandate
I worked for a Japanese company for years, so I understand their discipline and culture very well.
My hope is that they are the first bastion of reason among the world where they'll convince the rest to say "we will not make people do things with their bodies that they do not want to do."
Again, my point is that their transparency is to be admired.
Do you feel we should be mandating vaccines and throwing those unwilling into camps? Do you acknowledge natural immunity as acceptable in lieu of vaccination? I can't gauge your mindset.
Their transparency is to be admired, but to twist it to serve your narrative and apply it to a different non-homogenous culture that has nothing in common with japan is completely fallacious
i can’t gauge your mindset
Then don’t lol
Saying that a country doing the right thing should be an example to the rest of the world has nothing deceptive about it. It doesn't twist a single thing about the reality of the situation, it isn't misleading in any way.
The topic is vaccine mandates and the breach of autonomy. Japan's stance is that they will not forcefully do either. I think that's great.
This isn't about masks or social distancing. It's about their government acknowledging the risks of vaccination and that they will not force their population to do so.
Masks and social distancing may be a factor in that decision, but it is not a point made by the government explicitly by saying "Well, since you're all good boys and girls who wear masks and don't sit next to each other when you eat, we'll be lenient on the whole jab that can give you myocarditis thing."
It is deceptive when you fail to account for the complexity of others’ situations just to promote something that doesn’t work in another culture or nation
You think it’s great because it fits your narrative, but in japan, people who were against vaccines, masks, and quarantining are non-existent or socially ostracized. Japan has historically had issues rolling out vaccines, but the country overall complied and has gotten through covid much easier than other nations. That’s why they don’t need mandates, because their culture has handled the virus correctly and complied which is a word that should trigger people here. But since they said no mandates, everyone conveniently forgot how much the nation has been at odds with their personal philosophy for the sake of promoting an agenda and saying “JAPAN BASED”
It is about masks and social distancing. The japanese wore masks and socially distanced daily long before covid because it is considered unclean and dishonorable to knowingly infect others with a sickness. It’s part of their culture, and being “unclean” is massive to them. A japanese person is completely disgusted by sick individuals that knowingly engage with others in public without extreme precautions
And i’m not responding to “BUT MYOCARDITIS” because bringing it up proves you’re uninformed about the research that has shown that those symptoms are not only misdiagnosed and self-reported by hypochondriacs, but also that the legitimate ones subside within weeks. The “cardiac issues” from vaccines is not a reality, people just need to see their doctors more regularly
Well said! I love comments from users like you who keep this sub from being completely run by the crazies who are trying to take over.
I usually don’t respond to comments like this but i appreciate your appreciation
You got hit with the strawman fallacy by users that will never accept your personal medical concerns over "X" government's health advice.
They were one of the most vaccine hesitant for a long time despite having it pushed at them. I know you people have very short memories, but there was plenty of globalist hand-wringing about their vax rates in the lead up to the Olympics. Again, this is 100% about the culture of accountability. In the west our politicians know nothing will happen to them even if they are the cause of millions of deaths. That is an abhorrent thought to a Japanese person. You can pilpul all you like about this, to try make it seem like your deranged narrative is correct. But you are wrong. Nothing wrong with being wrong, but best not to double down on it.
you people
nothing wrong with being wrong
What type of environment were you raised in that made you think over-generalizing everyone into an us vs them dichotomy and asserting that their group is always wrong should be the basis of an argument? That’s what MSM loving sheep do
Because you're insisting silly things which are inconsistent with the reality of the topic. You are doing this to enforce your sourceless beliefs on people. Why even engage when you don't know what you're talking about?
YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE ON REDDIT SAID IM BASED SO IM A FUCKING GENIUS
That’s what you sound like and i know it’s accurate
That's pretty much the stance you've taken. Supported by your feelings, contradicted by reality.
Half a day later and you still can’t let go how fucking stupid you sound. Poo poo pee pee you win you’re a genius redditor.
Fucking loser
Of course you've yet to make a single point other than to desperately shriek about your feelings. Man up and accept reality. No shame in being wrong.
Bibbity bobbity boo poopy poop doo
:D game, set, match. thanks for playing son
Who is persecuting the 5% in Ireland? The only thing they can't do is go into restaurants or pubs or cinemas. But when the 5% make up 50% of those in hospital from covid you have to do something different to free up beds for those who have something that isn't preventable.
Imagine actually believing that. The passes are more for the vaxxed to make sure they keep taking their boosters. And yes, it is overt discrimination with zero scientific basis to exclude 5% of the population for anything.
You think it is unscientific to identify those that are more likely to get, spread and end up in hospital and then to keep them out of unnecessary social settings where they are more likely to get and spread it. That is what science is.
Except the vaxxed catch it and spread it just as much, and actually have found to have a high viral load while asymptomatic which was not an issue pre-vax. It's no wonder the vaxxed are spreading it like crazy. But yes, it is unscientific to persecute 5% of the population who literally cannot have the effect you are dreaming about. There's not enough for them to have a tangible effect, and that's even under the false assumptions you make. In reality there is no reason anyway, and to single out a tiny segment of society with discrimination is criminal and should be condemned by literally everybody who has a brain.
Check out this report. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40765758.html
Over half those in the ICU are unvaccinated. 5% of the population make up over half of those in ICU. The median age of the vaccinated is 66 in ICU, the unvaccinated is 38. Why are so many unvaccinated in the ICU and why are they so young?
There are people who are getting treatments canceled because too many people are in ICU. If the unvaccinated were vaccinated or just social distanced properly then ICU levels would drop by 45%
Listen if you don't want to get the Vax thats fine, but don't be taking up hospital beds that are needed by people with unpreventable issues. If we need to keep unvaccinated out of places where they cannot wear masks and social distances so that others can get treatment for cancer or a hip replacement then it is what we have to do.
And don't just ignore the facts and claim "unscientific".
"Between July and November". So completely irrelevant. I can throw 10 grand on a table now and its yours if you can prove that's the case now. We know its not, the vaxxed are almost exclusively spreading this everywhere and getting themselves sick.
edit: Our hospital systems are overwhelmed every year pandemic or not. Last year was probably one of the better years as it was fairly quiet, despite all the lies about overwhelmed hospitals. Amazing huh.
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/vaccinationstatusweeklyreports/
Checkout the Dec report
7 Nov to 4 Dec 45% are unvaccinated vs 40% vaccinated.
ICU admission id 2.1 per 100,000 for the vaccinated vs 23.1 per 100,000 for the unvaccinated.
In November if the 300,000 unvaccinated were vaccinated then ICU numbers would be down around 65 people. (6 vs 71). Unvaccinated are also over twice as likely to die too. so can you admit I am right or will you move the posts/claim the figures are wrong?
Funny, since Israel is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world and is already planning a 4th booster and yet covid rates and hospitalization continue to be high.
The vaccinated are the only ones who are allowed to travel and they have spread Omicron throughout the world.
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Oh so pollen allergy is not common anywhere else and crowded public transit is confined to japan? Wow thanks for enlightening me, you’re so based and intelligent for a 14 year old
I now remember i saw so many people on public transit wearing masks long before covid. You’re completely right and have deatroyed my argument holy shit you’re so based and super fucking smart and not 12 years old pilled
Japanese people rely more on logic, so it is less likely that would have to be coerced into doing something that is in their own best interest?
It's a theory.
Logic and personal responsibility, which is huge in their culture.
That's why no one has to shame them into wearing masks, or getting vaccinated.
Which is exactly why they don't need any kind of mandates.
But that's too obvious for some of the Great Minds over here to see... lol
"Even if your company asks you to get vaccinated, you can choose not to if you do not want to,” the ministry says in a question and answer section of the government’s Covid-19 response website."
Huh, it's almost like authoritarianism makes people recoil...
This is a bit of an exaggeration, they have a vaccine passport system planned and the intent is to use it in the future, they are just very slow to implement it. Japan doesn't measure deaths the way other countries do, it isn't enough to have just died after having been confirmed infected within a month or whatever it is, here you have to have a disease that came about because of it. There were a significant amount of excess deaths after the last wave and no attempt to determine how many deaths were COVID related seems to have been made to my knowledge. You can't trust the basic infection numbers much either, there is no attempt to test as many people as possible, quite the opposite.
EDIT: about -> amount
Yeah Japan has a responsible population who wear masks almost unanimously and avoid large social gatherings. They also had an intense lockdown at the beginning of the pandemic. Because of those factors Japan has a fraction of the per capita deaths from COVID as the USA, 500,000 Americans would still be alive if America had the same proportion of deaths to population as Japan. Their COVID response was generally more invasive than America’s with some exceptions.
I also avoid large social gatherings. Or social gatherings in general.
I would not call the lockdown "intense". People were kindly asked to stay at home and work from home as much as possible. Restaurants and similar public places were kindly asked to close. Importantly though, these recommendations were largely followed.
Of course, all public institutions like museums, schools, swimming pools and so on were closed.
I wouldn't really call it intense compared to other countries lol
How was Japans response more invasive?
The Japanese approach seems to be working seeing how almost 80% of its population is now fully vaccinated.
This is because the Japanese aren't dumb assholes gorging themselves on right wing propaganda about science.
The spirit of this post is anti-vaxx but that's at odds with Japanese society which like many Asian societies tends to be far more collective than the US. They wore masks without freaking out too because they care about others.
If 35-40% of Americans gave half a shit about literally anyone else than themselves we wouldn't have had this situation where a sizable portion of the US just decided the pandemic didn't apply to them and looked for any meme that gave them cover to do so.
This sub is just a circlejerk of folks bending over backwards to justify being a willfully stupid jerk with every right to fuck over themselves and their communities because some sketchy blog or Twitter account or podiatrist or chiropractor agrees with them.
And here you've linked a garbage blog that puts its' own foot in its mouth by pointing out that Japan is different and didn't need a mandate because a sizable portion of their citizens aren't total assholes about this. America needs mandates because far too many of its citizens are assholes.
Doesn't Japanese culture just make mandatory vaccination a non issue? They're sitting at 80% vaccinated and literally haven't stopped wearing masks since sars-1 in 2004.
See what happens when most people try to do the right thing, instead of just worrying about themselves.
Yeah, because people in Japan have been wearing masks in public whenever they get sick for decades.
Shhhhh, this is a fact free zone, be careful what you post here!
They don't need mandates. Japanese citizens have a sense of communal welfare and take precautions without needing to be told.
And mask wearing was already very common in the country, there was just more reason to.
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Imagine when this sub finds out that is common courtesy in Japan to wear a mask when you're sick.
Came to bring up this point. Combining that with their greetings that don't involve physical touch (most of the time) really helps prevent the spread.
yes WHEN YOU ARE SICK! Not at all times, everywhere
Actually some wear them purely for fashion reasons.
But also during flu season and more importantly during a pandemic.
Well seeing as you can be "sick" while being asymptomatic... it's safer to wear it most of the time.
lol :D
I would be willing to wear a mask if I were sick.
There's no need to mandate something when people choose to do it on their own. That concept is lost here.
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80% is kind of the magic number supposedly, where are you seeing 72%? Last I saw, the US was hovering around 60%.
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Thanks man, appreciate it.
I see where the disconnect is, that chart is counting people with only one dose as vaccinated whereas most i've seen aren't counting it unless two doses are complete.
You only need one dose for J&J, but the others require two doses.
Wasn't the J&J vaccine pulled over some sort of health concerns? I can't remember when, but it feels like it was fairly early in the vaccination drive.
I'm trying to look it up, but coming up empty on finding any data on the percentage of people who got which vaccine. I do wonder if that could account for the ~10%.
Yes, it was taken off the market temporarily because it was causing blood clots.
Here's an article I found from a while back over the ordeal: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/why-was-the-johnson-johnson-vaccine-paused-and-should-i-be-worried/
I feel a bigger difference is Japan is less anti-mask.
Our over 65 population vaccination rate is above that. Which is the only people really vulnerable in any significant degree to the virus. Why force young healthy people? Oh because either you believe the vaccine doesn’t work for the vulnerable or you’re an authoritarian fuck who gets off on controlling people.
I’m not sure if people in this sub are stupid or just pretend to be.
There isn’t a vaccine in the history of man that works by just a small percentage of the population getting the vaccine
For a vaccine to work, everyone needs to buy into it.
Except we’ve already seen mass spread of the virus among the vaccinated. It reduces symptoms for the vulnerable which is great for them. Why are you taking an anti-vax position?
Can I see the source for the mass spread of the virus among the vaccinated?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html?s_cid=11508:fully%20vaccinated%20delta%20variant:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21
How about the CDC?
This link does not mention anything about "mass spread".
The CDC admitting you can spread it while being vaccinated is plenty to get you started. Haven’t you noticed the different variants running rampant in countries like Israel which has everyone vaccinated? Or all the celebrities and politicians daily making the news getting “breakthrough” infections? It’s very obvious.
It is a known fact that the currently available vaccines don't last that long. Israel was hit by this problem because they got everybody (actually, more like 80-90%) vaccinated very early, plus the much more infectious delta variant entered the scene about the time their vaccine effectiveness waned. They quickly addressed the peak in summer by rolling out booster vaccinations; see https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/israel.
Same in Japan, by the way. Delta caused a huge peak in August, and my guess is that mass vaccination took care of it.
No quotes are required around the word breakthrough. It's a term that has been used for decades to describe infection of vaccinated individuals.
And again, there is nothing about "mass spread" on the page you reference.
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Okay, so I read the entire article and the only thing it says about "mass spreading's among the vaccinated" is that you can spread the Delta variant if you are affected by it. Please stop misrepresenting data and spreading misinformation. Thank you.
Can you at least admit places like twitter saying they’ll ban anyone saying you can spread Covid while vaccinated is total bullshit? We may not have all the data on the vaccinated spread but it’s very clear that being vaccinated doesn’t stop the spread.
I will agree that you shouldn't ban someone for stating facts, but saying Vaccinated people spread covid is a lil misleading don't you think. The vaccine will stop the spread of Covid and many of the variants except for some of the newer ones such as delta and omicron, BUT the reason newer variants are coming out is cause unvaccinated people are continually spreading the normal virus and it keeps mutating into more spreadable and deadlier diseases. I'm happy to see why some people have mixed feelings about the vaccine , so I can have a deeper understanding of different people. that being said the only way we can be through with covid is for everyone to get vaccinated before more variants pop up.
So the link you provided says nothing about the data and basically everything they say is in favor of being vaccinated, that it reduces the spread, keeps cases mild, BUT you should still take precaution.
So you're gonna have to help me out on where the vaccinated are causing a "mass spread" because no data or sources you provided indicate a thing.
The issue in America is that many people thought post-vaccination they were fine and got reckless. The same can't be said of Japan where mask compliancy was and is incredibly high pre and post-vaccination.
At this point the spread of so bad in America due to failing social responsibility that even the efficacy of the vaccine can't end covid. Japan never got anywhere close to US cases due to high mask compliancy and continued mask compliancy allowing the vaccines to DO THEIR JOB.
Japan's highest day of cases was during delta and peaked at around 28k iirc and that peak was due to low vaccination at the time. Now we're seeing cases approaching nearly 0 due to high vacc rate, high mask rate, and good timing on the vacc so efficacy has yet to wane in the majority of people here.
..........he couldn't
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html?s_cid=11508:fully%20vaccinated%20delta%20variant:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21
Oh I can.
What a garbage take
Way to prove you know nothing about immunology or vaccines
Good point to add. Glad you made your opinion know. Let's do a secret handshake and twirl our Fedora's.
So you’re saying since some kids don’t get the measles vaccine, the measles vaccine doesn’t work? What a hot take.
Fucking lol man
Lol right back at you. You made a ridiculous assertion and I called you out. Care to explain what the hell you were thinking?
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Yeh some vaccines work like that but not most
And this one doesn’t, neither does the hooping cough vaccine for example.
If you think all vaccines work the same you might be a tard
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You're are correct, vaccines that you need to travel are different from the corona virus vaccine and the majority of every other vaccine we use.
I thought that was pretty obvious and very evident but I guess not, you comment added nothing to what was actually being discussed but I'm glad it is all clear for you now.
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Voluntarily, they did it - asshole.
They've retained some semblance of informed consent, instead of the coercive BS in Western countries.
FJB.
if you weren't behaving like children that have to coerced.
No one should ever be coerced, particularly not now given everything now known.
It's disgusting. Violates the Nuremberg Code.
If it then results in any injuries or deaths, that's a serious crime, you dolt.
Japan hasn't fooled around with it but the big thing is their people didn't fool around with it.
The irony in typing this out while having a stroke
Can’t wait to hold all the fatties down and force them to eat vegetables and work out or else go to jail. Hey if only they weren’t acting like children we wouldn’t need to do it. We all know they are a strain on the healthcare system and taking up hospital beds.
Obesity does strain the healthcare system, but people who aren't 600 pounds aren't taking up record number of hospital beds in the ICU AND other obese people can't make you obese just by breathing on you...
Old people are also a strain on the healthcare system and pregnant women. Maybe we should off them too if we're doing false equivalencies here.
Way more people die of heart disease every year. Largely caused by obesity. My point stands. How can you not see the problem? We don’t dish out healthcare based on personal health decisions. If you wanna go down that road you’ll just have to be consistent. Can’t wait to be first in line since I’m in shape.
Yeah, because the overwhelming majority of people got vaccinated. Only reason seatbelts were mandated were because most people didn't wear them either.
Classic weddutt - references cultures it does not undersand or know anything about.
Isnt Japan the country where people regularly go around with mask even before covid? And that have 80% of second dose vaccination? And before that was top 40 country with most infection in the world? And indicted state of emergency in multiple city blocking schools, university, theatre, and other events for months?
The Japan island that closed its border as soon as covid started to be known?
Yeah, really shocking that Japan, with one of the best reaction to covid, manage to do good without having to lockdown...
I’m confused I’ve just read Japans vaccine passport is coming in on the 20th of December
In the past Japan, unlike governments in Europe and America, also refused to impose a national lockdown on its population, resorting only to declaring a state of emegency and imposing only localized lockdowns in specific places and cities.
the USA didn't have a national lockdown... why they always lying... this sub will believe anything, some of you must have literally been born yesterday
Yeah and that is due to their positive use of masks. They don't even need it. Embarrassing.
Edit: Also ya'll's conservative ignorance of other cultures is blatant. Like holy shit do ya'll have a life outside of media/TV?
y'all come back now ya here!
Who would've thought Japan has more freedom then the people who nuked it
They wear masks though. Like, all of them.
My japanese friend had to get the vaccination
Japan is the only country that I'm aware of that has banned the MMR vaccine
The one for measles? As far as I'm aware they still vaccinate infants and children before they enter primary school with an MR vaccine but use two doses instead of one.
The MMR was banned however in 1993 after a batch of bad doses caused severe adverse reactions in 1.8 million children. Ultimately only three kids died and 8 were left with some form of handicap but Japan felt it was best to ban the MMR vaccine.
The strain they were using had a particularly bad strain of mumps in it.
Even the director of the IDD admits that the MMR scare has left a negative mark but still believes the costs of using two vaccines is worth it.
https://www.vaccineconfidence.org/latest-news/japan-why-japan-banned-mmr-vaccine
Yes, the MMR vaccine is the one banned by Japan. The country that disproves the "germ theory of disease" by consuming raw fish and raw horse meat and not getting sick
Everyone also wears a mask if they have so much as a single sniffle.
When they are not allowed to financially participate with vaccinated countries they will entertain the idea then im sure
Yes they will be threatened by the internationals like the EU, a lone holdout is not likely. But if at least a couple countries hold out then it will be fine.
Is that where this is heading as well? We won't even fraternize with countries who don't mandate vaccines..? My god I hope you're wrong..
Can you explain what this is supposed to mean? Japan will be boycotted? No goods get in and out? No payments can be made to or from Japan?
What makes you so sure this will happen? Is there a precedent?
Not sure what you're trying to imply or if there is any source for this being considered but currently the relationship with Japan is one-sided to say the least.
Japanese can travel internationally yet Japan is keeping a strict border policy banning non-residents and new applicants and is trying to get other countries to recognize their vaccine passports despite refusing to recognize other country's vaccine passports.
Nothing is being done in response to this lmao. America is keeping their borders open to Japan despite Americans not being allowed into Japan. Which, hey, if America is dumb enough to allow international travel I see no reason for the Japanese not to take advantage.
Well you see, in Japan they take this whole coronavirus thing seriously. Masks must be worn in public, the government has the ability to shut down businesses in areas with high transmission. You can’t even travel to Japan right now unless you are a humanitarian aid worker. They are currently exploring the idea of vaccine passports for businesses. No need for a mandate when over 80% of the population is already fully vaxxed and no one is coming into the country. Mandates are generally needed in western countries like ours bc we have a significant portion of the populace that would rather read shitty pieces on ‘dispropaganda’ than listen to world leading epidemiologists.
the government has the ability to shut down businesses
Not really. It can only ask politely. But in Japan, when the government makes such a request, 99% of all businesses follow it.
Nova didn't shutdown even during the beginning of the lockdown last year.
Masks do not need to be worn in public, they are very common here and most people are wearing them, but there is no requirement to wear them, even on public transport, and a fair number of people choose not to on the trains, same in shops. I have only seen one person warned for not wearing a mask by a security guard in a shop.
Well you don’t need to wear one outside when social distancing can be constantly maintained. But in Japan you’re expected to wear one while in an indoor space or using public transportation. There is no specific unitary law on masking because the idea of preventing disease spread is so widely accepted in Japan. In this stage of the pandemic, on the eve of omicron, you better know the Japanese Gov’t is applying the three C’s rule very rigorously.
I think this is great, however my only worry is that they might break their promise and suddenly enforce vaccine passports
(Borats voice) I move to Japan
Because they all comply immediately with what the government says.
Being obedient is baked into their culture.
Yeah the whole "we're sun gods and we have to take over the world" from the government led to some crazy shit and they were nuked twice and the government still had to tell them like "uhhh okay we should stop now" for them to actually do it. Fucking crazy shit.
Post this in r/upliftingnews and see what happens 😂
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Unvaxxed
*normal
Because they learned something from their history.
Did you miss the part about closing flights to the rest of the world because of omicron? Or everyone wearing masks literally everywhere? Or all the lockdowns, school closures etc last year and all the shit still going on right now? Such chads.
Japan also has a much higher vaccination rate and social distancing measures, but let's forget about that because it's inconvenient to our agenda right?
Nobody has disputed this
Did I say that people were disputing this or that they were conveniently not mentioning it?
It’s beside the point. Countries with high vaccination have implemented draconian measures nonetheless so Japan is unique in this regard.
LOL ok there.
Japan already had a head start with their prevention measures, they also didn't have stupid problems like people thinking that wearing a mask for like 10 minutes is the absolute worst affront to human rights ever.
They were behind on vaccines initially and it didn’t cause a huge loss of life. You can nitpick whatever you want it doesnt change the fact that Japan not being coercive with the vaccine is an effective and humane way to treat its people. At the end of the day it is Japan’s homogeneity and social cohesion that is helping it deal with the pandemic, this just can’t be replicated in most of the world
Yeah, I'm nitpicking, I'm the one who is choosing to pick one element of their response and decide that everyone who isn't doing this is wrong.
Straw man much?
No, what you're doing is called cherry picking, not a straw man.
How am I cherry picking? I clearly stated other reasons for Japan’s success
Well, Japan's COVID response isn't simply "let people make their own choice". It includes other things that I mentioned, but you deem them as irrelevant because they kinda poke holes in your argument.
When did I deem them irrelevant? They have been less heavy handed than other governments that is a fact. Compliance is largely voluntary and the vaccine roll out was relatively slow at the beginning.
Me: Did I say that people were disputing this or that they were conveniently not mentioning it?
You: It’s beside the point.
It’s beside the point that Japan has high vaccinations because their vaccinations were largely voluntary, as all of their covid measures were, that was my point.
So your point is that they didn't need to implement stricter measures because people were already adhering to the measures?
Of course, but that doesnt necessarily meant that they would have even if there was more resistance. Like I said, there were very low vaccinations in the beginning and even then there was never a vaccine mandate. Their peculiar society has helped them but this doesnt necesarily follow that states without large compliance like Japan SHOULD institute draconian measures.
The main thing is that they didn't need to do it because, when it mattered, people followed the directions.
It's like seeing a kid who stole a chocolate bar being disciplined and saying something like "wow you're a dictator, I don't need to discipline my kid because he doesn't steal".
They don't need to force measures onto people who already follow them. And if they don't need to increase the vaccination rate because it's high enough and they have other preventative measures that work without forcing anyone, then where's the problem?
So they are easily complying with Authority like the time the government told them we're all sun gods and just take over the world and after being nuked twice still had to have the government tell them when to stop. Gtfoh.
Lmao. More like, they already wore masks way before the pandemic. Respect is also very present there. It's easier to follow social distancing rules and other prevention measures when you respect the people around you.
But yeah, sure, big bad evil government wants you to wear a mask because they want to silence you and prevent you from breathing and wtv other bs people are complaining about. It makes so much more sense.
You sound like a guy that watch TV only because everything suits your agenda. Not even half of population in my country is vaxxed, and I know nobody that died from cov, I know only people that died from vaccines. I guess that fact doesn't suit your agenda, huh ?
Oh, right, because the plural of anecdote is data. It's why I base all my world data exclusively on 10 people I see regularly.
I know people who've died from covid and no one who died from vaccines. I guess that fact doesn't suit your agenda.
Lol, I'm talking about 40 millions of people from my country, I know hundreds of people and nobody died from covid. Many people died from vaccines, being so pro about it, dying from heart attack next week. I will stick to what I see every single day in front of me, peace.
You know and keep in touch with hundreds of people, yet no one died from covid and multiple died from vaccines? Yep! Seems very likely. And that also explains why I know many people and still don't know anyone who died from the vaccine, but I do know a few who died form the virus.
maybe all your friends are weak losers who die from an offshoot of the common cold and his friends are healthy individuals who got intentionally poisoned as part of the depopulation campaign
Or, maybe, just maybe, you're wrong and doctors who spend their lives studying these things have a better idea about what's going on.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
imagine spending your life studying something and being so wrong. wouldn't be me!
Imagine spending your life not studying something and believing that you know more than people who actually do study it. Wouldn't be me!
Imagine failing to apply common sense to your daily life because you're an "expert". Wouldn't be me!
Imagine being on the left of the Dunning Kruger curve and believing that you're on the right. Wouldn't be me.
Honestly I wish I was there with you bud but instead I'm just depressed that I have to share this rock with people like you. And then you pollute one of the actual good inventions of the last century with your presence. Really saddening state of affairs.
Lmao, you're such a good sport about displaying your ignorance out in the open like that. You can stop showing off your braincell now. Give it some time to rest. You've earned yourself a good glue sniffing. Enjoy it, you deserve it buddy :)
I know you are but what am I?
Oh no... I think you fried your oxygen deprived braincell. This pathetic "no u" doesn't work well here. Don't exert yourself. Take it slow. Thinking once a decade is probably too much for you.
I know you are but what am I?
Like I said, take a break, you're going to hurt yourself.
i know you are but what am I?
Well at least I know you're going through the effort of actually typing it instead of doing what a smart person would do and just copy and past it lol
i KnOw yOu ArE bUt wHat aM I?
Ah... you did it again, it makes no sense here. But at least there's some variation, did you type this manually or do you have a script?
eye no u r butt watami
Starting to be a bit more entertaining, but still makes no sense in this context :/
I know you're context but what is the meaning of life?
I'm not sure that you know how to use those words properly.
I know you're know how to, but use those words properly?
That's not how language works :/
Yes, I am very social person. I have over 1000 real friends on facebook, I stay in touch with maybe 50, but I did talked to at least 100 of them through past 2 years. None of them know any one that died from covid, and they do know people dying from heart attacks after getting vaxed. Obviously, those people know people that knows people... so yeah, you can multiply it a lot of times. Nobody died from covid, 2 people were marked as deaths from covid, but one had lung cancer and the other guy crohn dissease. Seems like a legit cov death lol. You keep on running your agenda soon you will see young healthy people dying after heart disseases. I guess even then you will explain that?
It's ok, you can stop digging.
1000 "real facebook friends" is somewhat irrelevant.
Keep in touch with 50 is somewhat more relevant but still not much. But even if we were to take your 100 figure.
Even if we pretend that you'd get a notification for every single one of them who are affected (directly or indirectly) by COVID or the vaccine. How can we describe this sample of people? Are they actually representative of the population? Is there a direct correlation in the composition of this group of 100 people and the group of millions of people in a given country, or the group of 7 billion people on earth?
"Nobody died from COVID" but also "2 people were marked as deaths from COVID". That's a nice contradiction here.
First of all, let me point out that 2 people out of 100 (2%) is consistent with COVID mortality rate. Second, "but they had comorbidities, so it doesn't count" do you know that the people who "died from the vaccine" actually died from the vaccine? Do you know if they had comorbidities? Finally, Crohn's isn't a death sentence, people don't typically die from it. At worst, it can cause complications. So "Seems like a legit cov death lol" yeah, actually, it does.
I find it curious that you try to justify every covid death or try to disqualify them. But just mentioning death, heart problems, and vaccines is enough for you to count it as dying from the vaccine. It's almost as if you were pushing an agenda.
People that deaths were marked as "covid" had serious health conditions prior to covid. People that died from vaccines were young healthy individuals without any health conditions prior to injections. For me it's clear as day and night.
100% of covid deaths have underlying conditions that ultimately led them to their death and 100% of people who die after taking the vaccine were young and healthy and died only because of the vaccine? Do you have the data to back up that claim or should I just take your word for it?
It's beside the point
It's really not and you know it. All you can do is move those goalposts because you have nothing else.
What goal post did I move?
they are doing that because you have people who are not wearing mask and also are not getting vaccine at the same time.
It’s absolutely not relevant to the principle
Because it's inconvenient. Good job! You understood what I was saying!
Shops are very crowded here, especially at the moment, there is no attempt to limit the numbers. There is a high vaccination rate here, I think the problem lies in a trust of the U.S, I think they trust the states more than they do their own government, they simply don't know how compromised the FDA, NIH, WHO, etc. is, and some of the things that make you wonder what the hell is going on over in the states (woke-ism) probably doesn't get communicated to them as much due to the language barrier, but that is just my opinion.
Ok but wokeism has nothing to do with the virus? Viruses have no political leanings.
Every eu country said the same. "It is important to not discriminate between who get vaxed and who doesn't". But then here we are.
They also admitted to fudging their economic numbers for years. Bravo to their leadership for their transparency. Need more governments like this.
Well they don’t want to inconvenience others and cause a trouble, otherwise they’d start revealing their chaotic side. Reasons why I loved living in Japan. They mind their own business over there, but if they are pushed too much you’ll get some crazy people coming out out of the woodwork. But mostly nobody likes to bother you and nobody likes to be bothered.
As a side note, a lot of Japanese people I know have always been a bit more suspicious of secret societies and ulterior motives. I mean a lot of them listen to the brainwashing and don’t give a shit. But a lot of Japanese men I know make a big deal of Freemasons and plots by the WEF and WHO, and they hate the CCP. In fact the hatred of CCP is far more widespread, let’s just say a lot of people over there hate foreign interference.
So of course, a virus comes out of China and they’re extra suspicious. Most people don’t want to give aaaaaaany credit or power away to the CCP. God forbid China closes down Japanese society and economy, everyone would be seeing red
Well said! hatred of the CCP is common in all of the Asians countries with the only exception being N. Korea, even Chinese people hate the CCP, at least most of the ones I knew when I lived in Shenzhen.
I live near Tokyo now. Can confirm. All is well here. I still have my job, own a house and have a family. My wife works in a busy area in central Tokyo and is unvaxxed and it's no issue. All of my colleagues are vaxxed and want their boosters, but I just keep my mouth shut around them. It's none of their business. I told my boss and he was very understanding.
Instead they have closed their borders again. No foreign travel since November. Everyone coming into the country gets mandatory quarantine for 14 days. Must have proof of a negative Covid test to enter the country when the borders are open.
This is how it should've been from the start. Get vaccinated if you want. Wear a mask if you want. Stay indoors if you're scared. BUT ABSOLUTELY NO LOCKDOWNS. Our governments are corrupt; bought and paid for by big pharma.
Japan, one of the highest vaccinated countries in the world, has a culture of mask wearing, and a picture in the article of a crowd of people all wearing masks.
Who would have thought those icky face diapers actually worked.
Yeah pretty much peak NPC with no individuality and tendency to follow orders from above.
japan is chad country
This is what happens when a culture is bound by honor. Globalist corruption has no effect.
Well, Japan has had plenty of cases of corruption so I wouldn't say they have a culture bound by honor. They may have a better understanding of togetherness or dutifulness though.
This is what happens when a culture is bound by honor
Correct-- which means they wear masks and get vaccinated without being forced or coerced, because personal responsibility is huge to those people.
And when everyone just chooses to wear masks voluntarily, and 80% of people are vaccinated, there's 0 need for vaccine mandates.
Go figure, right?
You get downvoted by commies cocksuckers.
Yes because the people there aren't anti-vax, they're already at 80% going to be at 100% vaccinated by spring if not sooner. The Japanese government isn't trying to protect people unwilling to get vaccinated, they're reminding people that everyone has to wait their turn to get the vaccination and it hasn't been everyone's turn yet.
My country has 80%+ vaccinated yet we now have vaccine mandates, passports, and discrimination against unvaxxed, so whats your excuse for that?
Lol dude you didn't even say what country 🤣 Also, I would ask if your country already had INCREDIBLY deeply held belief that community is more important than the individual, and had already formed a cultural tie to wearing masks in public as being considered the polite thing to do even if you're not sick. If so then yeah, your government is super overreacting.
It's not really relevant haha My country was definitely individualistic but with a wholesome community belief when it was needed, also I never saw a mask in my country before 2019.
It could be worse though, I could be in Germany/Austria
so you never went to dentist if you never saw mask in your country before 2019?
*I never saw a citizen wear a mask in public my country before 2019.
Happy now
When you say vaccine are you referring to an actual Covid 19 vaccine or are you referring to mRNA therapies?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
They all wear masks too, and don't cry about that like oversized babies.
^
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Japan is like 80% vaxed, and "anti-maskers" aren't really a thing over there. They wear masks voluntarily, and respect social distancing. That's why their numbers have been lower...
What social distancing?
So it started in all countries. even austria.
If anybody has more info on that, please let me know.
Japan is fighting fascism!
because they know a thing or two about the horrors of totalitarianism!
are you aware of the history between japan and china?
well aware. the Japanese totalitarian occupation of china was brutal in its depavity.
It's because they don't depend on American money as much as the others. Everyone who does, has to comply.
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That isn’t hard to predict, more boomers are dying and millennials aren’t having kids because they can’t afford it.
Well, according to Deagle population of Eastern European country like Poland won't change more than 10% and countries like UK will lose over 80% of population ? The restrictions are very tight in Poland, and UK is very loose when it comes to restrictions. Is it because people in UK more willingly take the vax ?
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I wonder if they will succeed, they don't have much time till 2030 and that seems to be their deadline. Not even half of Polish population is vaxxed, I wonder how they want to mandate 20 millions of people.
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We are living in exciting times, that's for sure.
Strict immigration laws in Poland.
No idea what you're talking about but there's a simple explanation to why the population in Western countries will decrease.
The economies of France, Germany, UK, US, Canada, Scandanavia, and hell even Australia are all really strong and all of those countries are developed countries. People don't want kids in a developed, capitalist society because they're a profit drain. There's 0 asset value towards having kids other than they might take care of you when you're old and that's it.
Countries like Mongolia and the Phillipines aren't so lucky. There, having kids are an asset so they're encouraged to reproduce more. Yes there's more mouths to feed but there's also more mouths to help out around the house, work and make money, or if you're lucky, immigrate to America and make EVEN more money.
You mentioned "Asian" countries will have a population increase but SK and Japan are following the same trends as western countries and China is also projected to have a declining population due to repercussions from the one child policy and increasing development.
Japan did not suicide itself
Damn... might just have to learn Japanese and move there
They probably don't want you.
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So you followed this guy to another comment to tell him off. Sounds like someone's in love ❤️ also, he's right and you're just butthurt.
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Delta cases were soaring in August already. For a while, the infection rate in Japan was greater than in Europe. No mandates though.
Nippon!!!!!
Japan already has their people programmed and under wraps.
And yet they enjoy as many, if not more freedoms than the land of the free.
Demonstrating why they have some of the highest IQs on the planet. Karens do not run this society.
Japanese people also wear masks because it's the right thing to do, they don't have to be told like American troglodytes.
Yeah, because they don't need them because everyone is wearing masks and getting the jab all on their own because it's the smart thing to do.
Edit: What? It’s true. I’m on a train right now and everyone in sight has a mask on.
I think I'm turning Japanese...
lived there a couple years in the 90s...
Homogeneous societies work.
Does it? They were pretty much conquered and technically forced to not self destruct in an attempt to take over the world. I think even now almost a hundred years later they aren't allowed to even have a military and are forced to accept they have to be a democratic state.
Japan is always based as fuck
Reason, and Sanity! - bursting on the horizon like the rising sun. Good guy Japan.
Lightyears ahead with their diets and living a hella long time
Thank you Japan. 💕
Time to move to Tokyo!
Japan isn't part of the Vaxxis Powers! I guess they learned after last time?😁
The workings of unit 731 are still relatively well know to the Japanese, during which forced vaccinations have been performed, so this does make sense.
Japan here I come.
Good luck with that because the Omicron variant has sparked up new travel restrictions recently lol
Fucking plebs ain't getting in without a negative COVID test and mandatory quarantine when you get there. They ain't going to just kiss your asses and suck you off on the tarmac when you land.
And if you're going to just be a tourist, you're gonna need even more luck with that lol
They don’t want you.
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"The Japanese approach seems to be working seeing how almost 80% of its population is now fully vaccinated. "
You want all the benefits without any of the work. You brainlets fail to notice they have a different culture. They're not as self-centered.
Go get vaccinated.
Lol gtfo with your propaganda, I would look for a good job first and with my CV Im sure I'll get it. You can vaccinate your ass, piss off.
all talk.. start looking. let me know when you move.
Will do bud. You think that it's all talk, but when it comes to reality and I will be running away from getting jabbed, this might be my only option. It's less talk than you think.
deleted your comment.. what a coward
Lol, you are the only coward here, you are so shitscared of virus you cover your face everywhere you go and you are already tripple jabbed. You are shitscared cat, I bet if I would met you in real life you would shit your pants.
I bet if I would met you in real life you would shit your pants.
ah, violence.. that seems about right.
Lol, you call me coward (insult) and then you try to twist it around that I'm violent. People like you are sad. I will not waste more time on you, goodbye.
hope you enjoy japan! send pics!
They do still require proof of vaccination for entry into the country.
At least 2 weeks since the second dose, and has to be the Moderna/Pfizer (or astrazeneca) vaccine too, the rest aren't valid.
Lol, they just refused mandating vaccines, how TF you came up with idea of proving your vaccination status when you enter Japan ? You don't have to, you have to take test and quarantine, and it is THE SAME for vaxxed and unvaxxed people. It is actually how it should be, stop spreading propaganda:
"Testing/screening on arrival
All passengers arriving in Japan are required to complete a health questionnaire before disembarkation, including contact details. They are then required to undergo a COVID-19 test at the airport. You will be asked to wait for the test results at the airport before moving to your quarantine destination.
Quarantine and self-isolation requirements
From 1 December 2021 all travellers entering Japan, whether fully vaccinated or not, must undertake 14 days of quarantine and self-isolation. For those coming from the UK, the first 6 days must be spent in quarantine in a government-provided hotel. You will need to take a COVID-19 test on days 3 and 6 (the day of arrival counts as Day 0). If the tests are negative, you will be permitted to move into self-isolation at home or in a self-arranged hotel for the remainder of the 14-day period.".
I mean, it's not hard, you can basically just google "travel japan vaccination?", but here you go, here's the Japanese consulate website that is the first result:
https://www.mofa.go.jp/ca/fna/page24e_000317.html
This is from December 7th, 2021, so it's possible yours may be slightly out of date.
Lol you don't even read what you post. This is just a confirmation that those are valid to get entry, and when they are valid. Doesn't say you cannot go in without vaccine. You can re-enter if you will take test and be quarantined:
https://www.mofa.go.jp/ca/fna/page4e_001053.html
Your 'Page not Found' link is very enlightening.
I'm not sure how you managed to mess up pasting a link, and this isn't a hard and fast rule, but you typically can't have a \ in a link (/ is fine, but not \, note the direction). You were probably looking for this: https://www.mofa.go.jp/ca/fna/page4e_001053.html
That link doesn't look positive for you either though considering that one of the first statements on the page is about how entry is suspended for foreign nationals, it's possible I may have decoded it wrong.
Im getting downvoted because I want to live in Japan? TF is your problem people ?
Japan for Japs.
We out to Japan.
I felt like they would go this way for a while now
Wearing a mask Quantum AI PR narrative slide activate!
Why the fuck am i still living in this shit hole that is Europe?
Although it's not perfect, Japan has to be the best country with a large population to be in.
All except for the radiation, earthquakes, tsunamis and Godzilla, everything is ok!
I hope most countries follow suit.
Could this have something to do with the fact that their vaccination rates are far higher than any other G7 country? No need for a mandate if people volunteer.
and also the masking has been pretty much normal since 2004? when sars happened.
Who would’ve thought all it took was saying NO to make all discrimination go away. Us stupid Americans would’ve never thought of that….
They're also a proud ethno state that embraces and protects it's culture.
Something western nations need more of.
Good!
First world northeast asian countries seem to have found a way to be completely developed and efficient without authoritian neoliberalism.
Based Japan is best Japan.
I swear, japan is just the best civilization on earth right now
Move to Japan?
This isn't a conspiracy?
Inb4 US ignores a threat on Japan and doesn’t intervene.
Reverse psychology, also known as strategic self-anticonformity,
is a tactic that involves advocating for a behavior that is different
than the desired outcome. While it can be seen as a way of managing
another person's behavior, it can also be used as a form of manipulation.
Im jealous now.
LETS FUCKING GOOOO
This is an excellent start
Japan already has a suicide problem with a lot of young people going into suicide Forest to commit suicide, so of course the government can't be doing no Covid discrimination crap
If anyone in Japan has any property or job offers dm me. I wanna get out of the US before my family is crucified.
Japan also had a group of ppl supporting Trump, hey if you like it so much why don't you all go live in Japan. Toodaloo
*moves to Japan with 0 dollars*
Nowhere on the health ministry website they state as such...
Probably because their medical and political system is so fucked up to the point that they don't want to put any effort to mitigate the total shitstorm of a mess they have.
Japan has always been the future.
I think I'd love Japan, I'd be considered tall, I like anime and Pokemon, I like rice balls. Man... I'm moving to Japan.
would love to move to japan
Thank GOD for Japan! My pursuit of living and working in Japan is now even more greatly strengthened!
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Unfortunately they have a very high mask compliance. It's depressing as fuck to look at.
And no to ivermectin.
80% of Japanese are vaccinated. They don’t need to do those thing because the virus hasn’t been politicized like it has been elsewhere. Also, they have near 100% make wearing. If another country had those two numbers they could react the same way.
Hell yeah Japan! The #1 place in the world I want to visit - had planned to go in July when all this shit first started in 2020 and had to abort the plan. Hopefully the open borders soon, because when they do I'm going!
All of a sudden Japan looks to have more freedoms and liberty than any democrat-run shithole here in the USA.
so what i think was the deciding factor on why that government didnt have to do much, is because that population is used to wearing masks. While im looking from the outside in on why so many of those residents wear masks already, western media says "masks dont work". So because western countries had so much pushback with mask wearing, the govt went with vaccination mandates and that only exacerbated the issue.
They wear masks to lessen the negative effects of particulate pollution because it won’t stop a microscopic respiratory virus.
N95 and N99 do stop it, and they are much cheaper outside of the western worlds
Yes exactly, finally someone who understands, you’re correct, only N95+ will block the virus, cloth masks and general medical masks are useless against it because the virus is too microscopic and those masks have larger fabric gaps
As we all knew they would. Japan favors science and facts, not politics.
This isn't a conspiracy. Keep this crap on r/Conservative.
r/conspiracy is the same content as my grandpa's facebook posts...
They all wear masks \^_\^
At least the Japanese wear masks.
Yeah because they have over 80% vaccination rate and they've been wearing medical-masks a social courtesy since forever. Japan is a success story about social distancing, mask wearing and administering the vaccine not whatever this dubious site is trying to pin onto their efforts.
The article linked here is very misleading and uses a very propagandistic language to try to get a fake point across. Japan doesn't NEED to have a vaccine mandate because they're citizens have been very diligent in respecting all the health measures in place. The rest of the world could have been just like Japan if we would have listened to the experts, not fought just for personal privileges and rights.
I think it may be time for me to return to Asia.
Come on. Low energy BS.
Wanna know why they won't have a mandate? It's because Japan has "the highest inoculation rate among the Group of Seven", AKA - A smaller percentage of vax cowards than in the U.S.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-16/japan-leads-the-g-7-in-covid-shots-without-a-mandate-in-sight
Practically universal mask compliance...it's been a part of their culture since before the pandemic. Nearly 80% of the population is vaccinated. They completely closed the country off and had extremely tight quarantines in place. If we were half as competent here in Murica, I'm sure we wouldn't have vaccine mandates either.
This article is shit.
antines in place. If we were half as competent here in Murica, I'm sure we wouldn't have vaccine mandates either.
This article is shit.
I wouldn't exactly call it tight when I've heard of returnees breaking quarantine protocol.....
Cool story. I have family in Japan.
As a resident in Japan, I can confirm that this is true. As far as I understand it, it is legally impossible to mandate vaccination. Even lockdowns were not mandated (since they could not be) and were just strong recommendations, which were largely followed.
What is also true: Nobody in Japan gives a hoot about wearing a mask. They just do it without thinking that their freedom is violated.
What is also true: Japan has one of the highest, or the highest, vaccination rate of the G7 countries, namely 78% (and rising). Even if it were legally possible to mandate and check vaccination, it would simply not be necessary. And this is so in a country that has always been very skeptical when it comes to vaccines.
It looks like Japan, and the Japanese, do the right thing as far as the pandemic is concerned.
Yeah bc their population can be trusted to wear masks
Consent to vaccination
Although we encourage all citizens to receive the COVID-19 vaccination, it is not compulsory or mandatory. Vaccination will be given only with the consent of the person to be vaccinated after the information provided. Please get vaccinated of your own decision, understanding both the effectiveness in preventing infectious diseases and the risk of side effects. No vaccination will be given without consent. Please do not force anyone in your workplace or those who around you to be vaccinated, and do not discriminate against those who have not been vaccinated.
please, this is how disease spreads. I hope the japanese with their very old population think twice about this lenient approach to dealing with this virus. if anything im glad they are on an island so they can keep their disease contained on it. /smh if we had proper authorities who actually had the b**** to enact a proper lockdown we wouldnt be in this mess, and now in spite of this new variant OMICRON we have counties like JAPAN which is a UN member country releasing public statements like this? do not discriminate against the unvaxxed?!!! ARE YOU KIDDING? how else are we gonna get out of this mess. this easy peasy approach to vaccines is another excuse to keep this pandemic going with no end in sight.
Japan has been wearing masks and isolating while sick since before the madness. Their whole culture is about community…
I really hope you dropped the /s
Nice troll, got me for a moment.
Wow lmao. I hope you are a bot otherwise you just made me even more depressed about humanity
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
Memo: The vaccines don't mitigate spread.
If infection levels were as high as some other places, Japan would institute the vax pass in a heartbeat.
Jesus is the only hope. It’s only going to get worse. Seek him while he may be found.
Hope they'll stand firm
The one problem is getting there. 2 week mandatory quarantine for citizens. And getting a visa right now good luck!
They’ve always been smarter than us.
They are smart. Our leaders are dumb.
Wonder if I can get a visa on humanitarian grounds?
Japan is dying slowly inside like the west is but at a faster rate, negative birthrate and burnout.
I wish I could move to Japan.Always loved the vibe that country gives me.
Incoming earthquakes to hit Japan.
Nuremberg 2.0 incoming
The lines are being drawn
I still can't fly to Japan for a robotics training course my employer wants me to do because I'm unvaxx
freakin LOVE that meme lol
I am moving in this case to Japan
literally "see, i drew you as the soyjak and me as the chad, that means i'm right"
Lets also not forget this is a country wearing masks in populated places willingly, most of you here wont even consider it in the subway
It seems this rational approach to the Nu Flu is starting to take hold all over Asia: "We have to learn to live with it".
The case of Vietnam is also very interesting. The authorities validated 9 different shots (most brands available worldwide), gave public servants mostly Sinopharm/Sputnik/Abdala and witnessed a rush of more wealthy people to Pfizer/Moderna/AZ, first perceived as more trustworthy because Western.
Well, guess what, recently government media has lifted most restrictions/mandates and started releasing stories about ARN shots side effects, for instance:
120 children hospitalized, province suspends Pfizer vaccine batch
Note the last 2 paragraphs: "Over the past week, three children have died following their vaccination with the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in Bac Giang, Hanoi and Binh Phuoc. The cause of death has been determined as "overreaction to the vaccine." Last week, four workers in Thanh Hoa's Kim Viet Shoe factory died following their Vero Cell Covid-19 vaccination, also due to "overreaction."
Wonder if the next variant will come from there
Good for them! Vaccines should be a personal choice.
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