How could anyone not like this!!! Peace...
How could anyone not like this!!! Peace...
”War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
-Big Brother, 1984
Realise this: Solutions move people away from violent revolution.
Any movement poisoned by Marxism will never tolerate incremental improvements to actual problems because it invalidates their cause and identity.
Boom
This sentence sums up Marxism perfectly, fuckin genius
Realise this: Solutions move people away from violent revolution.
This is incorrect. One person's solution can easily be another person's oppression. The insurrection on Jan 6th is an example. It was the solution to the Trump Presidency for most. It was the oppression of the dominate culture to others.
Any movement poisoned by Marxism will never tolerate incremental improvements to actual problems because it invalidates their cause and identity.
Can you prove this statement because logic would dictate otherwise? If BLM made some minor change to law enforcement towards their goal, they could claim a victory and in doing so provide a reason to continue supporting BLM. If BLM waved a magic wand and fixed law enforcement, they no longer have a reason to exists and require no further support. You seem to have it exactly backwards... Unless you believe BLM is poisoned by Marxism, but any relationship to Marxism or not seems superficial.
I think you answered your own question. If a dangerously revolutionary minded person loses a recruitment tool because of individual, social, legislative or economic progress...they only want it to be THEIR win. Because they are playing a finite zero sum adversarial game. Another person's win is THEIR loss (in their mind). Even if the win helps their cause.
Control. Power. Money. Social Capital. Their militant minded recruits.
And some of these "leaders" WILL get pissed off when people play infinite cooperative non zero sum games. Because it fucks up their brand and their recruitment.
Can you prove this statement because logic would dictate otherwise?
I think you answered your own question. If a dangerously revolutionary minded person loses a recruitment tool because of individual, social, legislative or economic progress...they only want it to be THEIR win.
Your statement has an if but no then. So there is no logic. It is just 2 statements one of which is incomplete, so I can't comment on the missing reasoning. While they would loose one tool, they would strengthen all others. That would increase their overall strength because they could prove support leads to results.
Because they are playing a finite zero sum adversarial game. Another person's win is THEIR loss (in their mind). Even if the win helps their cause.
Who do you imagine are these people? I'm pretty sure BLM would be fine with police officers being held accountable for the unjustified killings of white people at law enforcement hands as long as that included black people. I have seen this behavior from the GOP.
Control. Power. Money. Social Capital. Their militant minded recruits.
That is the GOP. This is what it looks like to work against your own interests. Mitch McConnell's amazing filibuster of his own bill The GOP is doing what you are describing.
And some of these "leaders" WILL get pissed off when people play infinite cooperative non zero sum games. Because it fucks up their brand and their recruitment.
Do you actually care if the BLM leaders get pissed off? Why fight them? If giving BLM (for example) the ultimate win of formally holding law enforcement officers accountable for their actions especially those resulting in the unjust deaths of all people, including black people, which should make BLM happy and helps everyone else, why is there any resistance from non-BLM? You are claiming BLM will provide the resistance. Let's test that and get everyone a win. If BLM provides resistance, to achieving their goals, that should harm support at least. Giving BLM what they claim to want gives everyone else a win and should kill BLM one way or another. Everyone wins except BLM if corrupt and as a side affect the corrupt organization goes away, right?
I would need to go on a laptop for that level of communication.
You say that I made an IF statement yet did not specify a then statement. That is because human behavior is not IF/THEN.
The then...is THEN...YOU think some more.
Subjective v. Objective.
Explicit v. Implicit.
You say that I made an IF statement yet did not specify a then statement. That is because human behavior is not IF/THEN.
Reason does work that way. If that was purposely done, then you were not applying logic. Bolded for an example. ;)
I would need to go on a laptop for that level of communication.
Doubtful. I expect, you will simply go away... It sounds like you have no reason to justify not supporting BLM in order to work in your best interests.
Solutions move people away from violent revolution.
If do the opposite, you should get the opposite result. If you resist a solution, you are moving toward a violent revolution...
Any movement poisoned by Marxism will never tolerate incremental improvements to actual problems because it invalidates their cause and identity.
If you not tolerate incremental improvements to actual problems, that would invalidates you cause and identity according to you. It seems either you have been "poisoned by Marxism" or incorrect in your original statement.
I look forward to your response when you get to a laptop. LOL.
Fair enough. Walls of text are difficult to read on phones.
IF I left a THEN open to your subjectivity. THEN you can choose how to think and speak.
LOL. I look forward to your well thought out response when you get to a laptop.
I just put my phone on my lap.
Lol
If you want people to listen to your ideas: you need to engage them...not tell them things that make them care even less...
BLM actively worked against improving police training or hiring better/more representative police.
Meh. If you say so...
This is cool..
Obviously he's a white supremacist!
I made that joke on another subreddit once. I got a wall of text explanation about how Wayne had internalized white supremacy so deeply that he was blinded by it. That person was dead serious.
r/averageredditor
Do you know if they happen be every Social Studies Professor in California/USA?
That's because the person who commented back was probably a marxist...
I'm mixed raced and someone told me I had internalized black/white guilt or a bunch of other bullshit.
These people are fucking insane. People are people, get over yourself.
Uncle Wayne
One person being rascist doesn't mean their whole race is rascist. One person is kind doesn't mean their whole race is kind. It doesn't even have anything to do with their race.
Just because one white man helped this dude, this man says racism doesn't exist? Not to say that everyone is rascist, because that's obviously the other extreme. To not acknowledge the existance of malevolence is to be naive, as JBP would put it.
Also, is racism only characteristic to white people? Arent people of other races also capable of being racist towards each other?
Thats just it. Noone is saying racism doesnt exist. But systemic racism is another issue. Outsiders have always had harder time to getting into some groups. I would say most nations would defend their citizens first. So its not shocking that in a predominantly white country like US there is still some of that. There used to be crazy laws against black people and there are still racist places. But what modern left wants is insane. They are blaming white people for what any society does as well. Even them! If you are not radical left enough, you are not left at all and you are the enemy. Meaning there is no debate to be had. Essentially making this movement against systemic racism into systemic discrimination. Some old feminists are againsr it, people from dictator run countries speak against it, some black people and poc speak against it. Plenty of hints out there its crazy.
Irony knows no obstacles in this world it seems.
It seems like the 90s early 2000s was almost like the golden age of people being tolerant yet not overly sensitive.
That’s because the psyop campaign of pitting us against each other by race started around 2012, when occupy wall street was getting to be a problem.
Totally agree. The "I don't know what racism means" made me think he's suggesting racism doesn't exist. Maybe I'm not getting his context.
Systematic racism Doesn’t exist?
Depends what you define by systemic racism. Is it a law or a rule against certain race? Is it a statistic that seems unfair so you just assume its racism?
black people are more than 3 times likely to get killed by the police, that alone suggests systemic racism exists.
So you think that statistic alone is worth of judgement based on it? Not to search why that is so, how it could be?
Within context it still suggests systemic racism
What context do you mean?
Is it that clear though? Some people, including smart and educated people, claim, that its not that straightforward and other statistics suggest why that could be happening. Isnt it possible it is a bit like the wage gap? They say 30 cents per dollar but once you adjust for all things its about 2-7% if I recall correctly.
Ok then educate me. Why isn’t it accurate?
First you could tell me what context makes it still accurate
That is a problematic statement, at best. There definitely needs to be a thorough examination of making such a broad declaration.
I’m quoting Harvard sorry if it doesn’t align with your world view.
You didn’t quote anything. You didn’t reference anything. You didn’t present any sources. I didn’t present a worldview.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0229686
Good looking out. I’ll definitely read this.
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How much more likely?
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Show me where I have mentioned white privilege? What are you talking about?
And I didn't answer your question because I didn't have the data in the disparity. It could have been a 1% difference for all I knew hence why I asked for more info.
Is America systematically racist in favor of Asians? It’s a serious question
I don't know enough about the history of Asians in USA, maybe it is. I'm sure they face plenty of individual incidents or racism etc but I'm not aware of any systemic problems they face. Although you would have to ask someone more knowledgeable than me.
The same can be said for more of the right unfortunately. Everyone is cuckservative or a RINO if they don’t adhere to the loyalty test of the one and true leader. It’s a far more homogenous block in Congress. The left have people that are honest and brave that self correct and call out the error in our ways, where as the right is capable of this intersection on any level as they must conform strictly to the Parisian unification. The dems aren’t cutting their own off for not being fundamentalists, as the Maga national money cult grows by this method, get in line or say good by. Sure the left does this on social media but that’s not where it really matters. Its sort of a funny contradiction people are purportedly unaware of. While I’ve also noticed many in here with a very inaccurate decision of the right left divide in their heads. Many forget the right are the original authoritarians who do want to legislate morality. They’re just mad they aren’t in charge so they with a concerted effort vilified all equality to mean equity and all efforts to reconcile a difficult past with hate in return. Just as people blame the left for creating the current right, the current illiberal leftist wouldn’t be a problem without the validation in return of hate, to not only create a picture of systemic issues but to verify they are true and growing. It’s so damn reciprocal, the interplay is off each other. Neither would he a problem without other children continuing to poke each other. But often it’s funny to blame the majority left of center American are under no illusion of grandeur brought and bough to you to manufacture dissent. I can’t say that much for the right
Of course your post got downvoted here, as this has morphed into a sub primarily for tribal conservatives, but nobody has detailed how you're wrong.
I’ve really struggled to see how JP and the IDW groups are missing the point. They’re doing exactly the MAGA tactics of confusing the opposite of PC with being hateful. One extreme doesn’t conclude another extreme.
Although on the Parisian tactics (typo - partisan***), they could have got me.
Glad to know I’m not alone here. And like you said… not a single bit of real engagement
Hard agree. Most people aren't about arguing ideas, they're about arguing people and their tribe vs. other tribes. Any ideas they come across are just ammunition for their tribe instead of analysed on an individual level, especially among US members here.
Unfortunately Peterson's message didn't go through at all when it's only applied to the "other side" instead of applied equally to the self as to others.
It’s so wrong it shouldn’t need to be pointed out. It’s glaringly obvious many republicans didn’t like trump, and republicans are also much less likely to circle the wagons for their own, or at least it seems so because of news media.
In my opinion it isn’t because they’re any better, they just can’t get away with it with a simpering corporate media/big tech. Look at the difference between hunter Biden’s laptop coverage compared to the endless Trump “collusion” scandals
and republicans are also much less likely to circle the wagons for their own
Huh? Trump had extremely high ratings among republicans; and a vast majority of conservatives believed trump's idiotic Big Lie about the stolen election. The facts don't support you here.
Further, Hunter Biden was never part of the US government, so he shouldn't at all get the coverage Trump or his kids get, since trump literally gave his children powerful positions in the administration, no matter that they were obscenely unqualified.
And Trump did collude with russia, don't fall for right-wing media. We know from court documentation that Trump's campaign manager literally shared internal polling data with Kilimnik. That's confirmed, that's collusion.
>And Trump did collude with russia, don't fall for right-wing media.
Thats not correct. he didnt collude. That was disproven by multiple investigations.
> We know from court documentation that Trump's campaign manager
literally shared internal polling data with Kilimnik. That's confirmed,
that's collusion.
Even if that was true, polling data is hardly collusion.
> and a vast majority of conservatives believed trump's idiotic Big Lie about the stolen election
41% of Democrat voters believe the 2020 election was rigged.
And considering what was found in the Arizona county audit, it looks like it was.
In case you werent keeping up, Arizona only went Democrat by about 17k-18k votes. Maricopa county alone had over 50K invalid or fraudulent votes counted in the finishing total, almost all of which were for the democrats and \~75% of which were mail in votes.
I wonder what the total is for the entirety of Arizona. Or hell, lets have audits of all counties in Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Georgia (where people weree caught on camera bringing out bags of untraced and untracable votes after telling the observers to leave due to a 'water leak'), Wisconsin, Michigan etc.
Wonder how many of those states which apparently went democrat in 2020 actually went democrat and which results were fiddled.
And before you start screaming 'trumptard' at me, I'm British and even we could see it was rigged.
Lol not one shred of rigged election in your idiotic trumpkin rant, and nothing you said refutes my points. God you guys are pathetic!
Lol not one shred of rigged election in your idiotic trumpkin rant,
Not one shred of evidence Trump 'colluded with Russia' either, yet you leftards keep banging on about it despite there being an official US government report which states in no uncertain terms that Trump is completely innocent of pretty much everything the Democrats claimed.
Also, how is video evidence of illegal votes being counted in Georgia 'no evidence'?
and nothing you said refutes my points.
Only if you are willfully ignorant of the Audit in Maricopa county which shows extreme voter fraud.
God you guys are pathetic!
No, that would be you lefties.
"Not one shred of evidence Trump 'colluded with Russia' either"
Oh, so you concede you only consume rightwing media and so don't even know that Trump's 2016 campaign manager eventually admitted he met secretly with Kilimnik and shared internal polling data, therefore proving collusion. I accept this obvious concession!
" how is video evidence of illegal votes being counted in Georgia 'no evidence'?"
What video evidence? You didn't provide any, and the republican secretary of state and republican governor swore under oath their election was free and fair. Gee, I wonder why they didn't get their scandalous information from that real smart guy on reddit, u/ddosn!
"Only if you are willfully ignorant of the Audit in Maricopa county which shows extreme voter fraud."
Funny, yet another Republican controlled state where top election officials (republicans of course) swore under oath that their election was free and fair.... gee, why aren't they also getting this fascinating information from anonymous reddit morons?
Again, they aren’t even understanding what the Mueller infestation found.
You’ve obviously never talked to republicans in large groups. I live in a red state with many republican friends, and I’ve seen what all the politicians do too. John McCain is just one example.
Trump lost because too many republicans hated him. Sure there’s also a large group of trump worshipping idiots, but he was a divisive figure on both sides. If you can’t see that you’re just ignorant
You obviously don't understand the difference between anecdotal experience and statistical data. You see, all you're doing is telling me your anecdotal experience, whereas I was giving you hard data that proved my point.
So I hope you can learn more about epistemology and become a less ignorant person. Good luck on your journey!
Here we are talking about tribalism and you just keep proving you’re stuck in the middle of it. The irony.
I proved you dont know the difference between anecdotal experience and statistical data, and that you apparently dont respond well to reasonable criticism. Too much pride, not enough humility, honor and grace.
Trump had over 90% or more allegiance from republicans voters. Just look at his overall approval rating over his term, it barely budged because he had exactly what he said, the ability to do anything (shoot someone in the street) and they would still support him. That’s the lack of principle in trolling that red voters cowered too.
Sure the establishment hated him at first until they had to bow and continue to bow to him even while he has no tangible roll of power.
I swear, the thing that really gets me is when I’m in IDW and JP group the sweeping ignorance of what reals and what’s media narrative talking points. Do you all just watch Fox new?
Motherfucker what do you mean “outsiders.” Black families have been living in america for just as long as white families. Are black people not citizens?
Chill pill for you mad sir. Outsiders was ment as black people among white people and vice versa. Same goes with other races or ethnicities, nationalities etc.
Your own comment admits that clearly it is not an issue of america privileging its “citizens” but of privileging its white citizens, i.e. supporting systemic racism/white privilege. I dont understand the point youre trying to make beyond “yea the left is crazy, white privilege is totally cool and normal and expected.”
So your postmodern neomarxist status isnt irony or trolling, huh. Ok. :D Do you see the world as black and white or shades of grey?
To quote zizek, “i do it in part to be provocative.”
And no, i see the world in various saturations of neon green. What are you even asking here? If you mean do i agree with whatever boogeyman position youve made up in your mind about what the “radical left” wants then no probably not. Maybe try asking a real question instead of whatever vague bs this is.
Yeah, we Filipinos can be racist too, sometimes much more than Americans do.
I dont think that's what he's saying, but more that he doesn't feel like hes been a victim of it.
I see. That makes sense. I didn't look at it that way. Thank you.
Just because one white man helped this dude, this man says racism doesn't exist?
I think we would have to look at the context of his statement to ascertain whether he was saying "racism doesn't exist." Since he does not explicitly say those words, we should default to assuming he knows there are racists in the world. That's the bare minimum required of us as good faith interpreters of media.
Did you just qualify your statement with "JBP" ... ?
lol.. please stop.. you sound like a bot. I like JBP.. but think for yourself.. lmao
Some ppl will read this and say “ok so he’s racist against his own ppl”
Very fortunate man. Unfortunately racism is real.
Discrimination is very real
Not as prevalent as the media and the left makes it seem.
If you are ignoring what happens to black people in most American systems, from hair policing in schools to 5 times more "random" checks when driving anywhere at any time, you are right.
How close have you lived with black people? I'm assuming that you've got little to no experience. Likely you only know of them through whatever Twitter feeds you, or maybe your gay black friend at school that speaks like he's fresh off a hockey team. I'd like to bet you're an ignorant white girl, likely between the ages of 15-25, that ran with whatever your propagandized school system taught you.
I'ma tell you right now, everything that you think is happening to the black community is either happening seldomly or has little to no effect on law-abiding citizens. And this comes from someone who grew up in an area where white people were visibly the minority. Most of my friends were people of colour, and whatever oppression they faced was always relayed to me. Yeah people have said some nasty things to them, but it happened on the same order as someone being nasty to any sort of person. I'd have trouble finding a time that someone was racist to one of my friends, where there wasn't an initial disagreement.
Furthermore, hair policing in schools is an issue that should be solved and it will with enough time. "Random" checks happen when you look sketchy.
Go live in the world for a bit, you've got many biases that can be eradicated simply by getting off of your phone.
Dude I am from Atlanta and in my 50s. We have issues with black kids hair at schools all the time. My black employees do deliveries and no week passes without me getting a call to confirm they didn't took the car illegally, and is only with the black guys, never the rest. So go out and see whats going on dude, you are ignorant af.
"Random" checks happen when you look sketchy.
Too bad sketchy just means being black.
This video shows that individuals are responsible for their actions rather than groups. It does not show that racism isnt a thing like Lil Wayne seems to be purporting in this clip.
This interview will always stick with me. Much respect for Lil Wayne.
We taking wisdom from lil Wayne now?
I really wanna hear what ja rule thinks.
r/UnexpectedChappelle
"We're standing here in Neeeww York city, bewb capitol of North America, and we're here to find some great new York beeeewbs"
He has always been a non cookie cutter who doesnt fall into the racism hype. He Even says it himself that he is a rapper not a politician and doesnt want political questions.
Most overrated rapper of all time too.
I’ve heard wisdom come from all walks of life, taxis drivers, bartenders, vagabonds, etc.
Epiphanies do not discriminate.
Why not Lil Wayne?
I say this as someone who doesn’t listen to his music.
Racism is done everyone! Cuz Lil Wayne said so, just ignore all the history, policy and it’s lasting effects and current policy cuz one black guy says he don’t get racism, all while having cough syrup as a staple of his diet
First I'd like to ask how at all this is relevant to Jordan Peterson. Secondly what the fuck is this even about? The cop who saved him is white so what does that mean? God this subreddit is so fucking stupid.
Cuz it goes against critical theory and JBP is known to speak out against that
Stop using talking points and actually go learn what that is about and why it is taught in Law School
Downvote and move on.
Or whine like a child about it.
Yep ignore the question I asked and call me childish for questioning the post. I still fail to see how this has anything to do with JBP.
Does the post need to be about JBP?
Considering it’s in the JBP subreddit then yes.
So only topics that directly mention JBP should be allowed?
No but they should have something to do with what JBP has lectured about. This doesn’t have anything to do with what JBP has lectured or talked about.
Ahhh, still havent read jordan's book! It says dont be a dumb cunt that says dumb cunt things. Give it a look over!
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This subreddit is the farthest thing from content created by Jordan Peterson. This post doesn’t represent any of his work. Free speech is what every idiot on this subreddit says every time they post nonsense like this.
Racism exists how can you deny that. The fact that lil Wayne says he doesn’t know what it is doesn’t change the fact that there are racist people out there. This post has nothing to do with anything related to JBP or freedom of speech or critical race theory.
Whoever posted this is an idiot and I honestly can’t understand how anyone would see this post and defend them. This is a JBP subreddit the content that gets posted should reflect his work, not just black man says white people okay mah freedom of speech.
I'm not sure what the point of this article is? It's one man's anecdotal experience. It doesn't do anything for either theoretical argument of whether white on black racism exists or it doesn't. It does nothing lmao. He just got saved by a white dude. That white dude sounds like a really nice guy, that's simply it.
You're getting downvoted but it's true. Lil Wayne thinking racism doesn't exist literally does not mean shit in the grand scheme of things.
Man this subreddit fucking sucks.
You realize all these posts are just little dopamine hits for you people? I think posting material that explains what he studies and writes and lectures about would be much more helpful. His whole series on the Bible is amazing, and people who are new to JBP should know him for his life's work, not some sound bites you grab from the internet.
Anyways, I know I could do all this instead of complain. But I won't. I just wanted to let you know that this subreddit is almost completely useless. I'll just leave now.
muh ehhh but teh liburrlllss...
yea for sure. the man is a legend, folks are only pulling the bits they like and discarding the rest. whole left vs right thing is dumb and manufactured. playing that game there is no room for what jbp is about, which is self improvement and devotion to more important stuff.
I don't think that's true. Dr Peterson has lots of extremely insightful things to say about the conflict between the left and the right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIeFt88Hm8s&t=7634s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIeFt88Hm8s&t=4737s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIeFt88Hm8s&t=9377s
They're all roughly 3-5 minutes long. He talks about reasonable positions on the left and the right.
The fact is that Dr Peterson talks about this stuff all the time and to pretend that he only talks about self improvement is just not true.
Good riddance. This sub is a place for JBP fans to engage in discussion that they want to. Part of our right to free speech is the right to share these posts that we think have good values, and your negativity is extremely unwarranted
The trouble with most people on this sub is that they never actually read JBP and only interpret what they want to hear into what he has said. JBP would very likely be incredibly appalled at the right-wing propaganda that is posted here regularly without regard for how cultish it often is.
Add to that the fact that there is almost no philosophical discussion on here any more, most are reflexive, primitive reactions to current news events that are entirely expedient instead of being meaningful.
This sub conflict with the rules for life on a daily basis, and the idiots who do it thing they're paragons of virtue for doing the opposite of what JBP has been trying to convey to them.
You sound like a proponent of the self-esteem movement. Never take criticism, positivity only, you're perfect the way you are.
The average person is exposed to criticism every day. We should OP be criticised for sharing something he thought was important in a community that supports it?
Yes. He thought it was important. Through the use of free speech, his idea is put up to scrutiny to see if it holds up. Yes, it's a nice video, and it makes a good point, but the video by itself doesn't do much in terms of fostering a productive conversation. If OP had perhaps written a post detailing his thoughts and intention with the video, then this would be a different story, but they didn't, so they damn right deserve to be criticized for a less than useful post.
Its much more of a conservative sub that harps on leftist authoritarianism and denies authoritarianism on the right, which means theres a hige partisan blind spot here.
Byeee
Spit’n truth 🙌
Lil Wayne may not realize racism can be committed by non-whites too. Doesn't that make this tweet racist?
Single Anecdote doesn’t disprove history and current policy
This anecdote doesn’t mean racism doesn’t exist, not sure where you made that up from.
A lot of people here would take it that way
I think thats only you and a select few who are also downvoted. Sounds like you guys have to create a narrative just to complain on the internet.
I clarified it for those that would. I don’t ignore real world problems just cuz it makes my side look bad and I don’t have a side
Thank GOD we have you, the anointed peoples champion to speak for us plebs.
I just like to point out some of the willful ignorance of the rightist
Neither do the anecdotes that are pumped in the media when a black man dies at the hands of a white cop. How many black men die at the hands of other black men, cops or civilians? If black lives did matter so much to these people they would publicise every case where a black life is lost and not just the ones that suit their narrative. Likewise, how many black people are saved by white cops on a daily basis? You only got to hear about this one because Lil Wayne has some notoriety.
Not just anecdotes but a pattern of behavior along with stats to back it up. There’s also all the video evidence and criminals don’t take an oath to uphold the law so police corruption is not a fair comparison, but some rather scapegoat then deal with a problem
Would a fair comparison be to compare the young white males who murder with the young black men who murder and look for a pattern of behaviour that has stats to back it up? Or maybe not focus on race at all and maybe compare those young males who murder and are in a gang with those young males who murder and are not in a gang? Again there will be stats that we can look at for a pattern of behaviour. As JBP has mentioned himself, we could compare those young males who murder who had a father around as a child with those who didn't. I think either of these would be an improvement on scapegoating law enforcement to the magnitude that the media portrays it.
U do realize history and policy has lasting effects right? When u get that notion, then u can have a discussion on the subject
When you have a response to the points I raised, I'll be ready to continue the conversation. Until then, I'll assume that your condescension is a sign that you have nothing of note to say.
When u realize history and policy have lasting effects that don’t disappear with legal changes, maybe you’ll actually understand the subject
So it's got nothing to do with other factors then? It's all about history and historical policies in your eyes?
Current policy as well, War on Drugs, member ?
Do you seriously think that the issue is caused by policies? Nothing about how a child is raised and their socialisation process plays any part? The reason that people fail in the US is all down to government?
like which policies specifically?
Ohh ya kno, Modern policing and blatent racial profiling that's rife throughout the entire judicial system.
Oh, so no policies that you can point to then just baseless allegations
Plenty of evidence that shows folks of color incarcerated at higher rates. You got your head under a rock or something? Stop and frisk is one right off the top of my head.
I'm asking you to back up your claim that there are policies now, as you said "current policy." So gimmie one. Gimmie some.
Already said stop and frisk . I'm sure there are more, feel free to use your keyboard to type questions you may have into the internet for reference.
Stop and frisk has allegations of racial profiling. It isn't policy.
And it's not my job to do your research and prove your assertion. The burden of proof is on you.
My only burden is your shameless ignorance. Look at the statistics. I fear you must be blind to not see the facts. Good luck
Again, the burden of proof is on you to provide proof of racism in US policy. I'll keep waiting.
How about civil assest forfeiture too? I eagerly await your intellectual retort.
How does the rate of incarceration compare to the rate of committing crimes?
Because hold on to your hats...police can lie and arrest you for anything. Especially if they have a grudge against you for your melalin.
Lmao, I'm non white an I can't help but laugh at your bullshit. No, police can't arrest you for anything, talk to some lawyer and no, it isn't for your melanin.
Really? Wonder how many arrests have been made for "resisting arrest". Have you never heard of cops planting evidence because it happens on the regular.
could care less what color you are.
https://youtu.be/UANRvFNc0hw
https://youtu.be/jP8ERoqoPIQ
https://youtu.be/jP8ERoqoPIQ
I love the way that the top comment of this post is about how what Lil Wayne is talking about is anecdotal and not really a valid indicator of the full picture and, despite the fact that he's being downvoted, I actually agree with his point.
And here, further on down, we have anecdotal evidence saying the exact opposite.
The fact is that anecdotal evidence doesn't prove either position.
None of this proves shit. A few anecdotes, here and there especially when you can't prove that those actions were motivated by their race, it's all bullshit.
How does that answer the question?
The question is nonsensical.
The question of how incarceration is linked to committing a crime is nonsensical to you?
Edit: Isn‘t this relation the basis for justice?
War on Drugs, difference in punishment terms for similar same crimes, red lining, keeping school funding ties to property taxes and plenty more I can’t just think off the top my head
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War on drugs is a pretty public and obvious example, do you deny it exist?
Do I deny drugs are illegal in the US? Nope.
So you admit the war on drugs is real hence systemic racism is real especially with the basis of its origin
Yeah, drugs are illegal in the US.
What a fucking troll
just left the sub... too many fuckin idiots that cant understand this. Really interesting to see how people responded to comments like this, including the one I put. I didn't realize this sub was filled with so many people that cant understand that anecdotes don't mean much of anything. Really disappointed this sub isn't more stimulating with conversations that go beyond basic "ethos, pathos, logos" discussions I had in 8th grade English.
It’s a bunch of Shapi-bros that thinks a lot of info makes yo for good info
I dont even mind shapiro but theyre not even offering facts or anything. Theyre just asking, "what policies are racist." then you tell them which ones and how.... and they just go "No. Wrong." without adding anything. it's like ... did these people grow up eating lead paint flakes off the wall or what?
Tommy boy at least understood the value of higher education. All these crybabies would say is “the liberal main stream media/schools”. It’s especially funny on a JP sub
Anecdotal evidence is well-known as the strongest type
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And yet we keep hearing that we need to listen to people’s lived experience.
Is only some peoples experience valid? Should we only take away the negative and dismiss the positive?
That seems to be the trend.
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The message is pretty simple to me. Not everything is as black and white as some people would have you believe.
If Wayne is speaking about an event that happened when he was 12 and he still holds that same belief even after all he’s been through. I’d say that’s significant enough to warrant consideration.
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You said anecdotes aren’t evidence. A man is presenting his experience that he doesn’t see racism in a place that is apparently built on it.
Why can’t it just be a positive story?
I’m sure there’s evidence that a white man saved Lil Wayne though, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at
Yes, anecdotes are evidence. How could they not be?
Of course they are. They're anecdotal evidence. Be precise in your language.
He’s internalized his oppression. So sad.
Sorry you had some spelling errors in your comment. The correct spelling is:
”His lived experience doesn’t line up with my political narrative. He must be either lying or stupid.”
Hey that’s my TikTok that someone stole from me that I stole from the internet and then someone else stole and put on Twitter.
TikTok still paid me for it though 😎📈🗿
So you're taking the word of a hedonistic washed up rapper from the 2000s . . . someone you would call a lazy uneducated shitbag on any other given day.
His word based entirely in anecdotal evidence?
Talk about grasping at straws.
someone you would call a lazy uneducated shitbag
Speak for yourself. Classic case of projection.
Is this your first time ever on the Jordan Peterson subreddit?
Whether you admit it or not, those views are relatively normal here, which is the precise reason that I phrased it like that.
I find it hilarious that you're actually citing the opinion of lil wayne . . . unironically.
Do you think lil wayne is a lazy uneducated shitbag?
Why does Facebook mom meme fodder for smooth brains get to the top of this sub.
This is a perfect example of people not understanding or making clear the difference between systemic and individual occurrence.
This statement he made is similar to another statement I hear often from the wealthy. “I was able to become X so anyone can if they try hard enough.” Although it feels this way on a personal level the data doesn’t express the same idea.
Not really relevant to this post, but the data are pretty clear that the US is one of the better places for social mobility especially when racial differences are considered.
In the whole world of the developed world? because... yeah, it's better than somalia but that doesnt mean much
I guess it would depend heavily on the metric but the global social mobility index puts the US at 27. Mostly behind much smaller and less diverse western european countries.
That's an intergenerational metric based mostly on non-fiscal measures. I'd bet the US does even better on more financially focused intragenerational measures.
sounds like we're not doing that great, honestly.... 26 countries is like.... all of the developed countries.
So you think there are 26 developed nations and then the US and Somalia?
Jesus christ, I'm off the sub. Lord save me.
Don’t leave. The less nonsense is challenged the more pervasive it is. You might not get through to your interlocutor but at least when someone is scrolling the comments they do see the nonsense being challenged.
When posting a black man saying he doesn’t know racism the implication is not that on X metric the USA is less shitty than much of the world but rather racism, all forms, is just lazy people whining. If OP had posted a cart showing our ranking on racial mobility there wouldn’t be an issues but they also would have gotten less traction with the post.
You opened that door, i just walked through it.
I noted it's irrelevance to the op.
Fair
Can you tell I've been on a kick of legal dramas? lol
But on the topic of weezy, all we can really draw from his anecdote that he didn't experience racism. Going on the defense against the 'there is no racism' idea is a bit of a strawman since at best it would support the 'bad apples' idea by being an example of a good apple. Even anecdotal evidence of systems of power working as expected does indeed weaken an argument for 'systemic racism'.
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Stockholm syndrome
I know Eminem, who has struggled and recovered from drug addiction, visited Lil Wayne when he too was struggling with drug addiction.
He was just trying to whitesplaine I'm sure.