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Can someone explain for the dumb of mind?

I dunno, I guess Lebron is like "wtf dude why can't you just bow down to authority like I do" or something

Basically LeBron is a huge fucking hypocrite. He claims to be knowledgeable about social issues and fights for human rights. But fucking defends chinas bullshit.

It's pathetic. Already has enough money to last 100 lifetimes and defends China's genocide to get some more money. Greedy, weak minded scum

Jordan refused to support democratic candidates through his career because republicans buy shoes too. Lebron won't speak the truth about China because huge market for the nba

Partially true. A more accurate statement is Jordan refused to support Democratic OR Republican candidates. Your statement makes it sound like he was a Republican which is inaccurate

Do people really hate on Jordan just for not supporting either of the two big parties? How utterly pathetic.

It was specifically because he was asked to speak against a literal white supremacist republican and promote a black civil rights candidate instead.

Holy loaded statement, Batman!

That white supremecist being a Republican, and the black civil rights candidate being a Democrat...

If he doesn't support the democrats why should he be expected to promote their candidate? It's not like he was supporting the white supremecist.

Not speaking out against something you know is wrong can be seen as an endorsement in itself. Especially with his comments afterwards.

It sounds to me like it was journalists trying to lure him into saying he supports the Democratic candidate not the Republican one by framing it as an issue of white supremecy vs black civil rights.

If Jordan doesn't support the Democratic candidate either then why should he be expected to say he does?

I mean later comments definitely suggest he supported the democratic candidate but didn’t want to affect his bottom line. He even contributed money to his campaign.

Thats entirely untrue and I pity the people that have to live with people that think this way.

Oh. Isn't this probably true for lots of celebrities? Why are people coming down harder on this particular athlete?

It’s not that he won’t “speak the truth”...

It’s that Daryl Morey, (GM of the Houston Rockets at the time,) tweeted “Free Hong Kong,” and LeBron immediately jumped on him for his offensive comment, and said how Morey was uninformed on the matter and should keep his mouth shut.

Considering how LeBron has publicly patted himself on the back many times recently about how educated he is on social issues and how he always does his homework before speaking out on an issue, many people found his criticism of Morey to be unfair and hypocritical.

Additionally, he has claimed that he won't just "shut up and dribble" when it comes to social issues.

In this case, he didn't even say nothing, he actively spoke out against someone speaking up for people being unjustly oppressed. He did the worst thing he could have done in that situation.

It does make me happy though that the #3 top /r/nba post of all time is Max Kellerman calling out Lebron on his bullshit.

His quote on the topic was utterly ridiculous as well...

"I don’t want to get into a word or sentence feud with Daryl Morey, but I believe he wasn’t educated on the situation at hand, and he spoke, and so many people could have been harmed, not only financially, but physically. Emotionally. Spiritually."

Agreed. Especially considering Daryl Morey was incredibly well educated on the situation.

Whatever respect I had for Lebron was lost that day. Fuckin’ knob.

What an informative answer. Thanks!

It actually over simplifies the situation quite a bit. The Lakers were in China at the time and LeBron’s comments had more to do with Morey not knowing how his comments might threaten the safety of the players who were there along with the entire league’s financial interests in the country. Of course the latter half of his concerns are quite selfish but he didn’t defend the Chinese government or what they’re doing in Hong Kong. Even though I don’t agree with LeBron’s sentiments on the situation he certainly isn’t the villain people who don’t like him because of his political opinions make him out to be

this reply is getting a lot of downvotes, but no one is correcting him on anything. is this incorrect or do people just not like this take?

I think its incorrect because a different answer could have been given that wasn't so obviously tone deaf and coming out on the offensive in favor of China. Its impossible to know the true motive behind what was said but I think it was almost completely about money.

Thanks for the much more informative answer with much needed context. Id like to add that levron wasnt even allowed to 'immediately' come down on morey so idk what the heck the original user was trying to spin there. That was part of the big story at the time. Both teams that were in china at the time had all media availability and practices cancelled and lebron didnt speak on it until they landed safely back in america.

Uneducated, not uniformed. This is despite Morrey's PhD that he received while going to school with several students from Hong Kong that he remained in contact with.

And after a decade of being in charge of the most chinese-connected American professional sports team. Its what made his remarks so shocking and suprising especially considering how he refused to continue supporting hong kong in the aftermath.

He can take his PhD and shove it up his AsS…

Then Lebron turns around and threatens and doxxes police officers that SAVED black lives.

He’s a hypocritical douchebag.

To make it even more comical, Morey is a very smart dude and happened to be extremely informed of the situation. I believe he even had multiple friends in from/living in Hong Kong at the time

Didn't Morey apologize and take his comments back afterwards?

If I'm remembering right there was a lot of tension between the Rockets and Morey and this only compounded on top of it. I wouldn't be surprised if something happened behind the scenes that made him apologize. He ended up leaving the Rockets at the end of 2020.

It's also important to note the Rockets HAD investments rooted in China such as their League(owned by tencet Chinese mega corp) team clutch gaming in 2019. I know this was before this situation but I think it's relevant to the conversation. It wouldn't surprise me if they had more Chinese rooted investments as well.

The man doxxed a cop who saved a girl from getting stabbed, he’s not educated on social issues he’s a typical limousine liberal.

Idk when people started caring so much about celebrities opinions on real world matters. Especially when your skill is playing a game or acting. My 2c

Because celebrities and famous people have power and influence, much like corporations do. They always have.

It’s been this way since at least the 1960s. It’s k e of the ways rich people assuage their imposter syndrome and guilt at their wealth.

Halo effect is a hell of a drug.

Idk when people started caring so much about celebrities opinions on real world matters.

Probably when one became the President of the United States then proceeded to fuck the economy and ignore a medical crisis due to it mostly affecting people who didn't vote for them, while being very corrupt and making all kinds of shady deals that ultimately their loyal appointees took the hit for, keeping them out of prison.

Lol its not like Morey showed knowledge of the situation by tweeting just 'free hk' so LeBron's comments weren't exactly hypocritical.

Do some research on the topic please. You just make yourself look dumb trying to blindly defend lebron

Because by his own words he has exposed himself as a gigantic hypocrite. Not to mention a gigantic douchebag.

Because they already dislike LeBron

They hated him for ridiculous reasons, and now that their are valid reasons to be critical of him they feel validated.

It also is easier to hate a self-made black man than a faceless multi-billion dollar corporations.

Because it's cool to hate on LeBron, amongst other reasons.

Man, it's been so funny seeing these folks pretending to be mad at Lebron over this, then turn RIGHT around and go "Fuck Black Lives Matter, shut up and dribble, LEBRON specifically."

I can't tell if they don't notice or don't care about the hypocrisy, but either way, LOL @ them.

We’re getting to the point where you can’t even undermine human rights abuses anymore. Smh

More accurately, he was being a CCP apologist and telling people to that the oppression and brutalization of Taiwan by the CCP was an issue that people shouldn't have opinions on.

*Hong Kong

I don't understand why OP didn't just say communists. Given the pretty antipolar history between communists and fascists this piece just makes OP look either very ignorant

China isn't communist.

Edit: How is this a controversial statement? They have a capitalist economy for fuck's sake.

They are as communist as much as any nation has tried Communism. They all end up like this.

Why do you feel so confident to speak while knowing nothing?

Not fascist either. Words mean something

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"I believe he wasn't educated on the situation at hand, and he spoke. And so many people could have been harmed not only financially, physically, emotionally, spiritually. So just be careful what we tweet and say and we do, even though, yes, we do have freedom of speech, but there can be a lot of negative that comes with that, too."

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Nice work, and a good topic to satirize. Maybe you could make a few political cartoons for either an online series or even one of the larger existing publication

I'd imagine OP wants to not get twice as many death threats

Chinese don't even know what OP is talking about.

This is reddit bullshit, everybody in China knows about Tianenmen Square and many people in the educated classes have friends or relatives who left after 89

Its a joke.

Half this site genuinely believes that. For all the talk about Chinese people being brainwashed, Reddit believes every single rumor about China and North Korea

I don't understand that. You can go to practically any city in the world and meet a Chinese professional or immigrant from China

You actually believe that redditors talk to other people?

As he pointed out, it's a dull joke that has never been true, making it unfunny to anyone who knows. Even worse, it spreads the idea that the Chinese people don't know anything about their past - which, if you were close to someone from the mainland, would be disproven in a heartbeat.

Oh chill out, I know there are songs in China that refer to Tiananmen in an unspoken way and most people know but don't care. I still think I am the epitome of wit.

The epitome of wit might be generous, but I did snort air out of my nose at your comment.

Reddit good, China bad. Thank you gold.

When I was in China. I looked it up and it didn't have an encyclopaedia entry

haha! they know. all of them.

Yeah, because Chinese people don't speak English. None of them.

Edit: my bad. I misread what OP was referring to.

I think the person was more referring to the scrubbing of information on this topic that took place in China for decades.

Yes

Sorry ~~bro~~ other person. My bad. I've run across a lot of dumbasses today so, my apologies.

No worries. Reddit be like that sometimes

Chinese don't even know what OP is talking about.

Because the government scrubbed the information

Yes, I get that now from the other comments saying as much

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All the subtlety of a sledgehammer to the face

Man. This is solid work. Well done.

Unfortunately the artist couldn’t be arsed to properly paint the second tank.

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Someone take this to a Lakers game. It needs to happen!

No more Lakers games until next season, thankfully

The most subtle political painting in r/art

I was fairly certain that I had seen this before, it took a while to find, but here's another version that was posted to /r/HongKong a while back

please tell me someone has tweeted this at that moron.

This picture hits harder than it should, fuck

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Best political art I’ve seen in a while!

fuck i love you. this is one of my favorite pieces of art. i hate Lebron, Nike and China so much and you couldn't have done it any better

It's beariful but for me look's like a meme or something like that

Fren memes are also art lmao

Dank ones are especially artsy. Memegenerator is my canvas

I love this energy. Make art my fren I'll root for ya.

Looking at your profile for the first time I see I’ve already liked 3 or 4 of your works. I like that you seem to have things to say and even when painting a raccoon riding an alligator its not cute or whimsical.

Thank you! I’m not good at whimsical;)

Too much whimsy around here IMO…looking forward to seeing more of your work.

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message aside this is incredibly bad

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This is one of the problems these days. Fascism isn’t the right word for it. Maybe try totalitarianism or communist dictatorship

After the devastating policies of Mao, Deng enacted reforms designed to ease up on the whole "no private property" and "everyone is equal" thing.

After Deng, Jiang was like, "we're losing our monopoly on authority" and so he cracked down on Deng's reforms while simultaneously empowering a small number of cabinet members with the ability to fill important government and civilian leadership roles.

Then, once the Communist Party's power was again unquestioned due to all the string-pulling, Hu threw open the free-market floodgates and made very, very many people very, very rich in a matter of a few years.

Now we have Xi, a rather mediocre man hand-picked, just like Hu, who is trying to maintain the Party's centralized power structure while continuing the nation's success as an innovative, but highly meddled-with, capitalist economy. Behind the scenes there's a huge power struggle occuring between the pro-capitalist and the pro-communist wings, but for now they're still reaping the advances they made from encouraging competition.

The government is 100% a one party totalitarian state ruled by a party that contains the word "communist" in it, just like North Korea is 100% a one party totalitarian state ruled by a party that contains the word "democratic" in it. In politics, words mean little.

Now then, a good definition of fascism is a totalitarian political system that strongly ties government and corporate interests, promotes a nationalist identity to the exclusion of all others, and often involves ethnic or religious superiority as a unifying concept.

As weird as it is, China ticks a lot of those boxes while paying lip service to Mao. They may be in the pews every Sunday, but they're at the casino every other day of the week.

You should save this for an ELI5

*State capitalist

Classical communism is a stateless, classless society. Classical socialism means the workers of a company own it. Neither is the case in China. The state owns everything.

Perhaps it's just education in the US or anti-intellectualism but somehow people have confused state capitalism with it's literal opposite, communism for so long.

I wouldn't blame it entirely on the US - the Chinese and Soviet governments spent decades lying about being communists. Pretty easy mistake to make. Shit, a lot of gullible tankies (r/genzedong) still believe that that is what communism is, and that it's a good thing.

Libertarian socialism, my friend. It's the way to go.

Even very well educated people often don't receive the necessary sociological education along the way. Anymore a communism is a totalitarian regime, despite the core principal of being a stateless society, no state no private property, that's pretty much it for political economy, throw some left libertarianism for the social side, and that's communism.

So when the US fought in Vietnam, Korea, and Latin America, those were all anti State Capital wars?

Some weird-ass whataboutism

I don't know much about the nature of the North Vietnamese government. The North Korean economy isn't just state capitalism, it's effectively a monarchy. I don't know much about the nature of every government we've overthrown in Latin and South America either, but many were fairly democratic until the US interfered.

If you're asking if I'm in favor of interventionism, I'm generally not. Imperialism, never. If you're asking if I think the North Korean and Chinese populace should build some guillotines, then absolutely. As should many peoples across the world. No gods, no masters.

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What? When did I say that?

Revolutionary right wing state capitalist dictatorship with a strong racial nationalism element and draconian sexual morality? That's fascism.

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This is amazing. Need one for Hollywood too: Fascists watch movies too

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This is cringey as hell unless you’re 14

This user has no idea about the atrocities currently happening in China, or how fucked up it is that celebrities support it. The only thing that's 'cringey' is your understanding of the situation.

Let's compare the opposing political party to Chinese atrocities, because that's about the best anyone can manage for political discourse these days

Oh I’m well aware. But inferring that Lebron is a fascist is fucking fallacious and absurd. Give me a break.

its both a shitty drawing and cringey as fuck. embarrassing if you think this is art.

This sub will get infested with anti-China, anti-Russia politics claimed as art.

Political art is still art.

Subject matter aside, I’d say it’s actually quite impressive from an artistic POV.

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