This bird with an arrow

whats the difference between this one and hunting arrow?

It's illegal to shoot birds of prey no matter what kind of arrowhead you use

Did u hear about the bald eagle that was killed tending her nest?! I am so livid at the sack of shit who did this! Like, who the fuck would do that to an animal? While fixing her fucking nest! I hope they find this fuck but I have a feeling they won’t.

Here’s the article: https://www.wdsu.com/article/authorities-searching-for-whoever-shot-killed-a-female-bald-eagle-near-her-nest/27072916

That's a shitty massage.

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You're a dickhead too, because you're a bowhunter

Cruelty caused by humans is the leading topic of a large amount of metal.

This is metal as fuck, it's just not pleasant or caused by nature.

Probably a child.

I don't bow and arrow hunt but I do believe the arrow head used for the job here was the wrong one, suggesting the guy was a dick and took a pot shot at the bird.

The arrowhead here is a nib used for target practice. There are other hunting specific arrowheads like broad heads which have a much wider slicing area (therfefore more likely to hit a vital organ or vein/artery)

For birds and small game there are thumper heads which have a large flat surface area to increase blunt force trauma/ shock when they hit the small animal, usually killing it.

Im sure bow hunters here will elaborate more on this stuff

You are obviously uneducated in this subject. The guy that shot this bird was just being a dick while target shooting. The tip on his arrow is a field point which is used for target shooting. When hunting with a bow and arrow you use a broadhead which has very sharp razor-like edges on it. I've seen countless people cut their hands just opening the package. Needless to say, if this hits any animal in the vital area it will have a much more painless death than their teeth corroding of old age and dieing from starvation or a pack of wolves/coyotes eating out the butthole first while it's still alive unable to defend itself.

Not to mention bow hunting is very very very hard. A good bow hunter will not shoot an animal beyond 60 yards. If you try to get in this range of any wild animal the chance of it detecting you greatly increases. Unlike rifle hunting where you can shoot 200+ yards and the animal doesn't even know where you are.

It is a good question. Why would someone with access to modern firearms settle on the bow? I believe it has to do with huntings ancient beginnings. Using the simplest and yet most effective tool. A bow can be made in the wild, ammo can be retrieved, and bows are much quieter than a firearm.

The allure of hunting with a bow is it takes much more skill and the hunter is usually someone who appreciates the beauty of the animal and the meat that it provides for their family. To hunt with a bow one must be very stealthy and it takes a ton of patience. Whereas with a gun you could should an animal from 200+ yards away. My guess is no one was actually hunting this animal because first off no one hunts hawks and second the tip of the arrow is not a real hunting tip.

That arrow has a field point on it which is meant for target shooting and is absolutely not appropriate for hunting...as this picture shows. Bow hunting with modern broadheads plus actual skill with bow means the animals I shoot generally drop within 10 to 30 seconds of being hit. I have never missed a lung shot and the animals I eat will never have a chance of a less painful/stressful death. The deer/moose/bear doesnt know I am there and doesn't know what happened. The other options of dying in the wild are awful, ie. predation, disease, starvation, weather exposure or being hit by a vehicle. (I am a paramedic and have seen dozens of moose and deer suffering on the side of the highway after being hit by a vehicle. Its awful and breaks my heart). My bow doesn't disturb anyone or anything else other than the animal I hunt, as opposed to when I used to only gun hunt. The sound shuts down the forest around you for a while...its quite eery. I fill my freezer, feed my family, I donate to our local hospital which has a wild game menu for the First Nations people it serves and the animal doesn't suffer the way it could have. Thats why I bow hunt.

Edit: spelling, grammar, missed half a sentence...bear with me, I just finished a night shift

Bows are next to silent, unless you bend the arrow shaft or tear a fletch it can be reused an unlimited amount of times since tips are replaceable, if you are hunting for sport i.e. getting an animal stuffed or collecting pelts then you don’t have to worry about large exit holes ruining the pelts and if you are hunting for food then you don’t have to worry about lead poisoning because arrows are mainly comprised of iron, steel, and aluminum. And lastly bow and arrows are much much cheaper than fire arms and are generally more safe to use all in all bow hunting is a better way to hunt. Also bow hunting takes more skill because there is more drop making ranged shots very difficult

Well for one you don't fucking shoots hawks.

The main reason I've heard is its painless. If you use the right arrows they are sharp enough that when you get hit you can't feel it and you'll die or be unconscious before you realize something is amiss. Also you should take a shot unless there is little to no chance it will be a kill, so who ever shot this bird was plane irresponsible

Because A) there is no hunting for hawks and whoever did this is a massive prick, B) that’s not a hunting tip on the arrow C) you can hit vital organs with patience and practice, the same thing as guns.

This isn’t hunting. There is no hunting season for hawks.

People hunt with bows because it is rewarding. Its literally what our DNA is designed for. Eating meat that was slaughtered by industrial farming is not what we were designed for.

If hunting to food a bow is a lot easier to “clean” out of the meat vs bullet fragments.

Because it requires a significantly larger amount of skill to hunt with a bow and for a large majority of hunters it isn't about the kill so much as the hunt. With a bow you need to be very close to your target, quietly move in, draw and release whilst sticking a tiny rod through enough vital organs to kill an animal clean and quick. Unfortunately there are people who don't use them under the "clean and quick" mantra and you end up with horrific scenes like this.

To be fair, the arrow head used is not the correct type for smaller game. Using the right head makes a big difference depending on what you are hunting.

Firearms likely kill more reliably but I agree they don’t always, but same goes for using incorrect ammo when hunting. I’ve seen some people hunt deer with .22s, it’s illegal to do so because the round is too small to be reliably effective, same goes for arrows.

Thats a target point not a hunting arrow,some dick without a clue shot an animal for kicks, a proper hunting arrow has a large head that cuts and causes massive internal bleeding and rapid death.(edit, someone already pointed this out earlier,sorry. just annoyed to see this stupidity).

When you bow hunt, you use arrows tipped with broadheads. When a broadhead strikes the animal, it cuts a wide wound channel that allows the animal to bleed out very quickly. In addition, bow hunters generally close in on their game in order to ensure they can hit the vital areas ie the lungs or the heart so that the animal bleeds as quickly as possible.

The arrow in the picture is tipped with a field point which are used only for practice or target shooting. They are absolutely not designed for hunting.

With a bow it is more of a hunt that just walking out into the woods to kill something. I exclusively bow hunt whitetail, but I have never released an arrow without 100% confidence in the shot. I want to HUNT, not murder. I have let MANY trophy animals walk on by, simply because it wasn’t a comfortable shot

this isn't hunting. this is some stupid kid with a starter bow and arrow wontonly killing (or trying to kill) every animal he sees to satisfy his primitive urges. his parents should be punished for giving him a dangerous weapon without the proper respect for it or the creatures around him. as a life-long hunter (and no, not the "safari" style lion murderers, I hunt deer amd rabbit n such) this really pisses me off. people see shit like this and lump us all together, all because a few stupid fuckwits can't be bothered to care about a living creature. poor hawk

Bow hunting has actually become quite high-tech and deadly. The problem is, this bird was shot with a target arrow not a broad head used for hunting. Also, hunting birds of prey is usually illegal in the US so this hawk was most likely shot illegally (if it is in the US).

I don't get the idea behind bow and arrow hunting

Because you know nothing about it, clearly.

This is not bow hunting. As stated elsewhere, this is a dickhead kid being a dickhead kid.

Looks like whoever shot was using the wrong type of arrows. Also, that doesn't look like the kind of bird that should be hunted. Just a product of moronitis

Killing birds of prey is federally illegal you fool. Plus this is a photoshop.

People have been hunting with bow and arrow for 10's of thousands of years. What is there not to get?

Different seasons. You get more tags if you hunt in black powder and bow season as well as gun season.

I don’t hunt, but if I ever do, bow or crossbow for me.

Gotta hit vital organs with firearms too.

You have to add a numbing agent to the arrow so they go sleep and you can grab them.

Otherwise it's impractical.

Because a lot of hunters prefer the challenge. It is a lot harder and there's a lot more work involved and it is almost like a spiritual ritual. You feel more connected with the animal. It's not just you and a gun and seeing something at 300 yards you can shoot. Sometimes you have to stalk, sometimes you have to sit in the same spot upwind for 8 hours straight. It's more natural instincts and putting yourself into nature. That being said, you don't hunt with field tips. There is very little chance you hit something vital and if you don't, the arrow plugs the wound so the animal won't bleed out. You should use broadheads for hunting. This was some asshole that was probably messing around and chucked an arrow at the bird and hit it, and now it is going to suffer for days or weeks most likely.

No, the problem here is that some cunt used a feild tip to shoot a hawk that was probably illegal anyway.

Real hunting tips have 3-4 razor sharp blades that do massive damage and cause huge bleeding channels and any hawk hit like this would be dead in minutes due to blood loss amd shock even without hitting major organs.

A feild tip does nothing. It coasts through and pushes organs aside and seals up the holes so it's not even really bleeding.

This hawk is gonna die but its gonna take days.

Ahh.. You should look into newer arrowhead technologies. They make arrowheads that will slap through body armor. Like, no joke, better stopping power than lots of rifles. They're not inhumane or slow to kill. That said, you should never hunt with the wrong weapon, and it's BS that someone shot that hawk with a bow, or anything at all really.

Nah dog, you literally only hunt with arrows that will kill with a high success rate. This picture if of something completely different.

Modern compound bows and broadheads are equally if not more lethal at range than a lot of hunting caliber rifles. Even with a misplaced shot I've seen broadheads shatter hip bones of elk. I cant think of any big game that wouldn't be easily easily trackable and dispatchable after the thump of a hunting arrow.

Come on, don't you play Red Dead Redemption? The game clearly teaches you it's best to use your bow and arrow to hunt small animals! /s

My family owns a cattle ranch which we and dozens of our friends hunt on. Bow hunting is not allowed for this exact reason.

Bow hunting is much more challenging than gun hunting. You have to train more, be in better physical condition, get closer to the animal (which isn’t easy), and you have to be much more precise with your shot placement. It connects you more with nature, and yourself. Unless you’ve experienced it, it’s very difficult to explain. Chris Pratt explains it very well here: https://youtu.be/hkeEmYF8gOI

And any well placed bow shot will kill an animal as effectively and ethically as a gunshot. And I don’t think this was a hunter. Any true hunter wouldn’t do that to an animal, especially not a hawk. This was some jackass that got his hands on a bow, and is not at all a good representation of a hunter.

A lot of people think that hunting is all about the kill, and that that’s all that hunters do it for. But that is far from the truth.

This is right through the chest. Hunter made a nice shot, maybe using the wrong arrow head because that should be a kill shot.

So I think the dude that shot this hawk which I don't know about shooting hawks but they aren't game bird.

Probably a kid (and a real P.O.S.)

more importantly... who tf hunts a hawk ??

I agree if someone was going to shoot it I would hope it would be with gun because if it was inevitable the gun would most likely kill it on the spot and reduce suffering

This isn’t hunting, this is poaching a protected species, the person who did this was not a hunter.

Well you're supposed to fix a 2 inch wide razor broadhead onto the arrow, not a practice point.

As far as I know, hawks are protected animals in North America. Whoever shot this bird was just being an idiot; probably some back yard robin hood wannabe. However, IF they used a broadhead that bird would not be alive.

it's the challenge, obviously you aim for vital organs but if you miss and just hit it you are responsible to track it. but in this case it's a pointless attempt...it's not like they were going to eat a fucking hawk. dick move

Not a hunter myself but from my understanding from people who do go bow hunting like it much more because of the difficulty of it. You have to get closer. You have to be more patient. You have to be skilled with the bow.

The people I do know who bow-hunt practice almost every day to hone their skills to make sure they get ethical kills.

This bird was shot with a target tip, meaning that it does not expand or create damage as it pierces through. Actual hunting tips are designed to cut everything they go through, so even if you miss vital organs slightly they still cut vital vasculature and the animal still died relatively quickly

That's not how bow hunting works. Bow hunters SHOULD aim for vital organs and use arrow heads made for hunting. Also, most shots are taken with a distance of less than 30 feet. Plus, if a vital organ is missed, it's illegal for hunters (at least in the US) to use barbed arrow heads or arrow heads that cannot easily be removed or work it's own way out of the animal.

That being said, the person who shot this poor hawk is an asshole. Not only is there no season for hunting hawks, there's no reason to. Not to mention if they WERE illegally hunting hawks, this assholes didn't use the proper arrow heads to ensure a reasonably quick kill (arrow heads made for hunting have a diamond shape, but made with razor blade edges).

And as far as why people hunt using a bow and arrow? Personally, I feel it's more "fair". You not only need to get fairly close to your target (ensuring you aren't seen, heard, or smelled), but you need a good amount of skill to actually hit your target.

The person used the wrong type of arrow.

It looks like the arrow has a field tip (mostly used for target practice). When hunting you normally use a broad head which have razor sharp blades, to sever vital organs and arteries. The animals normally die from massive blood loss. Ideally a good hunter doesn’t take the shot unless he has the right angle/distance to ensure the animal doesn’t suffer. This dude was obviously a dickhead who took a shot at a cool bird.

Deer hunting with a bow you aim for the lungs...a vital organ.....and it dies pretty quickly. This guy was a dick shooting a bird and especially a federally protected one. But saying bow hunting doesn’t hit vital organs and the animals all die from sepsis or starvation is really stupid. How can the animal not be able to eat if it has been shot with an arrow? That makes no sense. If you make a clean shot the animal will not suffer

Is hunting red tails or other hawks/eagles/falcons even a thing?

I’ll chime in since I am an avid hunter and use both archery and firearms.

First I’d like to say I hear the opposite from many anti-hunters. They say things like “your using a high powered rifle, why don’t you give the animals a fair advantage and use primitive weapons?”. So the argument goes both ways.

Now I don’t hunt birds with archery because it’s not really a thing as far as I am aware. But I do hunt deer and hogs with it. You make a good point about hitting the animal and weapon effectiveness. But keep in mind regardless of the ammo that goes into the animal, if it doesn’t hit a total organ it probably won’t immediately kill the animal either. So if you shoot a deer in the hind quarter with a gun or bow, it will do about the same damage.

Modern arrows have large broadhead tips with basically razor blades. The amount of damage they do is astronomical so it’s just as lethal as a firearm in most cases

Sorry for my partly misleading comment. This was not hunting, of course. This was killing out of fun. I did not want to disregard archers. Hunting heads will cut important arteries and leave the animal to bleed out internally. Yet it requires a lot of experience. Where as with a bullet which expands and destroys organs due to its energy release inside of the body kills instantly as long as the chest is hit. But birds are better be shot with bird shot. In game a belly shot would in severe cases cause a slow death making the animal suffer for hours. A jaw shot will starve it to death.

Shoot a non vital part with a hunting cartdridge of your choice and watch the deer run off and you'll spend the day trying to track it down with dogs. You hunt with hollow point bullets, because they expand on impact and damage as large an area as possible with shrapnel and hopefull hit the important bits nut that doesn't always happen so you're kinda fucked.

Deer and small animals though, can easily be taken down with a shotgun as the swarm of pellets penetrate shallowly all at once and causes the nerves to overload and the animal goes into shock, often just dying on the spot. But this post is about single projectile weapons, not shotguns I assume.

Poor bird indeed, but what you gonna do? Unfortunately

The arrow shown in the picture looks like a target arrow. Arrows used for hunting have triangular blades on the tip for maximum damage.

That's a field tip, you gotta use a broad head and make sure you get a kill shot on a vital organ.

Firearms, when used by idiot hunters, can cause as much pain and suffering, If you don’t have the right sized caliber or shoot an animal in a non-vital area it will live in pain like this bird above.

What it boils down to is hunters who know they have a clean kill shot that would cause the animal the least amount of pain and have the right equipment. In this case, the bird was shot by a field tip (which is ONLY used for target shooting). If this were a legal bird to hunt the hunter would be using a broad head (which is designed to kill effectively)

Not that I disagree with you but the bow hunters I know see it as more of a challenge than firearm hunting. The side effect of this is you simply NEED to be more reserved and responsible. A good broad-head (not a target tip shown here) and a clean shot can fold almost any animal. The weird thing about this picture is the arrow is still in the bird. A high powered bow can through and through an elk but this stayed in? Weird

Because in cities where you cannot shoot animals with a gun but you need to thin the deer population, you need to be able to hunt the animals without risk to houses if you miss. It’s a thing in a lot of major cities with wild areas. They will shut them down to the public and allow hunters to harvest deer and other animals to keep he population down

If you don't hit vital organs with a rifle you're just as much SOL...

You're not a hunter are you?

For people who hunt for sport and not for food, it's all about how manly you are. Bow hunting is like hunting on hardcore mode. Its dumb as fuck. But my real father who's a loser and only cares about hunting would love to brag about the animals hes killed with a bow.

As other people are saying this happened because the shooter used a field tip arrow which isnt meant to kill. So the shooter was inexperienced, but we dont know why they were shooting at it in the first place, likely fucking off testing their bow.

As for your second point, however, are you saying protecting property and livelihood isnt a good reason to kill predatory animals?

I'm fairly confident it was a child who did this without fully understanding the consequences of their actions.

Their fault for not protecting their chickens.

I went to a seminar on some sandpiper bird species that was endangered and they used predator control on some raptors to try and protect the sandpiper. They talked about how it was controversial there and even mentioned how that raptor was also threatened as well! Although this may not be that situation of course

If this guy made the laws murders would be legal if you eat the person..

What about pest control though? Invasive species are no joke

i agree

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It's a hawk not a falcon.

Falcons are quite small compared to some other raptors.

Cunts

Eventually, people survive being shot with field tips all the time. It's just a big needle at that point.

No vital organs were hit but I can assure you it’s dead by now.

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In human culture too