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Her neck's just the best
Hello there, hello there, Iām perfect now and then
John and Shelly are my friends
Doesnāt it feel good to drive a bus? People need to get picked up
Pride your uniform and stunt. You do what my people would grunt
Don't it feel right to sell a tent?
People like to tell your scent
Pause the bus, put off your yell you yell at my people would say
Hey, it's a party, come early if you're lonely
shes in highschool bro. š¦
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is it just me or she has 6 fingers
Leftmost "pair" is her thumb.
āWhat are you even doing here?ā
What did you do to my drink?!
GOLEM GET YE GONE
GOLEM GET YE GONE
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When I got home from Marine boot camp my family and friends all commented on how it seemed like I had grown an inch or two.
I didn't realize that I had bad posture until someone came along and corrected it.
And even now, twenty years later, I can't help but notice bad posture in others...
...and bouncing. I had never realized just how many people bounce when they walk.
Is bouncing while walking bad?
Other than looking goofy?
Haha, I just always noticed people that bounce while walking I didnāt know if it was actually bad or a byproduct of bad posture.
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I've had a few friends and exs who bounce when they walk and the common denominator between all of them was that they all skate. Sometimes I meet someone new and they bounce so I ask if they skate or used to skate a lot as a kid and they always say yes.
I wonder if that is a hamstring thing too maybe !
I'm a bouncer, friends all give me hell for it too. Have been an avid skater all my life... This is a very interesting connection and now I'll have to watch my other friends who skate and a little more closely.
As someone who is thinking about getting into skating, any advice on preventing this?
I wouldn't worry too much about it. I don't even notice it until someone else says i have a springy step. I'm guessing it's from pushing and doing a full toe extension but really, I have no clue.
My non professional advice: Shred on and enjoy life.
Like roller blade or skateboard? I'm trying to figure out what you guys mean by "bouncing"
I was a skateboarder for 10+ years and also have horrible posture like that in the video
I mean skate boarding sorry :)
My first thought was ice skating. I'm guessing you're south of me
Never knew that, might have to look into it a little more now. Thanks!
Just don't overstretch the tight hammies. Hamstrings often feel tight when you have anterior pelvic tilt because they're connected to your sitz bones (aka ischial tuberosities) and being pulled back and up (edit: away from the knee, where the other ends of the hammies attach.)
I'd bet the bouncing is actually caused by anterior pelvic tilt. When your pelvis is tilted like that, you can't get full hip extension because the glutes and hammies aren't active to help extend the hip. When that happens, we compensate, usually through low back extension (over time becoming low back pain) and/or more plantar flexion (pressing off the ball of the foot in an exaggerated way). The latter would definitely appear as a bounce.
This sounds a lot like what I've been dealing with! If not constantly stretching my super tight hams, what should I be doing for correction?
See a physio that has studied PRI. They've got what you need. Google Postural Restoration Institute and check out their website. Use the "find a provider" search at the top right. Hopefully there's a provider near you. Not all providers are on the site's index, but the ones on there are sure to be seasoned.
You seem very knowledgeable on this subject. I suspect I have Anterior Pelvic Tilt.. do you know how long it takes to fix it? Iāve had bad posture all my life and Iām 25
Really depends on a few things. Find a good physiotherapist or chiropractor on the "find a provider" search on posturalrestoration dot com. The science they use is legit. If you didn't stretch out a bunch of ligaments, you could probably have it fixed in 6 weeks. Depends on the body and how good you are about doing the exercises daily.
I know someone who is an avid climber, they bounce because of how much they use their feet to walk
Are you saying it doesn't look goofy if you walk while keeping your head perfectly straight? Like you're on roller skates.
No
Oh, okay. What were we talking about?
Is bouncing while walking bad?
Is it unhealthy? I have no idea, though I suspect that it's not. It seems to be the natural way of walking for a large number of people and even though I'm not qualified to answer this question, I just don't see how it can be bad for people (at least not 'bad' in the grand scheme of medical problems).
But when walking in formation (especially during close-order drill) it is asthetically displeasing to see one or more people bouncing while the rest are steady.
Here's a clip of some Marines marching in formation. These guys are still in boot camp, but they're right at the end of training. They're not perfect, but you'll notice that their heads all stay level and that no one sticks out by having his head bob up-and-down. For an extreme example of that, here's the Corps Silent Drill Platoon, who are about as perfect as you can get doing this stuff.
I wanted to link to a video showing close-order drill where one or more people were bouncing - in order to give you a good idea of what I'm talking about - but it turns out that Googling such a thing ain't easy.
I can confirm that bouncing is the result of tight hamstrings.
Tight hamstrings causes your hips to rotate out of position, which puts your spine into the wrong curvature, which fucks your posture.
I hate my hamstrings but I have only myself to blame.
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Goddamn it Millennials!
Millennials are killing the hamstring industry.
This puts Cadet Kelly to shame
My favorite part is when they smack their own butts
Tips on fixing bouncing?
I think that the number one tip for curing someone of bouncing is simply making them aware that they're doing it.
That said, it seems like bouncing comes primarily from raising the heel of the back foot too early. The entire sole of the back foot should remain planted until the forward foot touches down.
Thanks for the links. The marines look like they are walking normally. What does it look like when you bounce-walk? I couldn't find anything else than cartoons when googling for videos of it.
Well, in basic training it'll get you nicknames like "beebop" so that might be considered not such a good thing.
Shit my senior was an ex drill master with 5 honor platoons and heād do shit that Iām not at liberty to say. They called him the king of Parris Island.
... people bounce while walking?
Dude! Marching is insanely great at fixing posture. No Marines for me, but in the Air Force we marched EVERYWHERE and they were so damn strict with posture. āWHAT THE PISS IS THIS? STICK THAT CHEST OUT, TRAINEEā is what comes to mind when I feel my shoulders roll forward.
My now wife, then girlfriend, always commented how confident I looked when I would walk into a room just because I had a good posture. Itās amazing how much of a difference it can make.
āSTAND TALL LEAN BACK, GIRL!!! STICK YOUR 4LBS OUT!!!ā
A couple of weeks ago I was about to catch a train when the station was shut down and evacuated due to a suspicious package. Later that day I caught a glimpse of myself walking in the background of a local news story on the incident and was blown away by my goofy-ass walk. I was hoping it was because I had a heavy backpack on and my feet were sore from walking around all day, but my girlfriend confirmed that's how I walk almost all the time.
I was already actively working on my posture, now I'm trying not to walk like a lunatic too.
I can't help my bounce okay :(
Jumping on your comment for this big review on neck exercises for neck pain:
http://cochranelibrary-wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004250.pub5/full
There is no evidence that changing posture or stretching helps neck pain. This video also talked about some strengthening - THAT'S the intervention that has evidence behind it.
With a name like that I would suspect you work in a SNF or acute care.
Private practice physio in Canada.
Yes! Everyone always talks about how important and easily forgotten posture is when it's all everyone thinks is important. Can't up vote your comment enough.
Wait a second. Didn't the authors say they DID NOT find strong evidence supporting the claim that neck exercises can help reduce neck pain?
Wording is important.
There is moderate level evidence (ie there are a moderate # of studies varying from poor to good quality) that support upper extremity strengthening (specific exercises) to improve function and reduce pain in patients with chronic neck pain.
This can change to strong/excellent as more quality studies find similar findings. The studies looking at strengthening all found changes, it just depends on their quality/# for us to say moderate vs excellent.
Kind of
Research showed the use of strengthening and endurance exercises for the cervico-scapulothoracic and shoulder may be beneficial in reducing pain and improving function. However, when only stretching exercises were used no beneficial effects may be expected.
This is why physical therapy is such a godsend. I went with bad shoulder and arm pain that was referred from my neck. Part of it involved stretching to make it feel better, but most of the therapy was aimed at strengthening all the muscles in the area, particularly my trapezius. You don't realize how weak and strained those muscles actually are until you start exercising them. At first I could only do like 4 or 5 in a rep before they were burning. It wasn't until I could do a full set of reps in a set of 3 without resting that my neck was strong enough that it didn't hurt anymore.
Fixing poor posture isn't just about fixing neck pain. Those are two different things.
Tell me why we care about posture then?
The quote the video, so you can "look healthier, taller, and just overall feel more confident."
And strengthening does what?
Anecdotally, I had tremendous neck pain for 10 months straight. I was convinced I had blown a disc in my neck. I visited doctors and physical therapists and even had X-rays taken. In the end, I had one good doctor that insisted I wasnāt stretching enough (I thought I was). She said gave me two stretches to do over and over throughout the day: the doorway stretch where you have your arms out and press your body through the doorway, pulling your arms and shoulders back, and a stretch that targeted my front / side neck muscles. It fixed my problem in a few days. Say what you want about stretching, but I am 100% certain it worked for me.
I'm glad for you, but your story does not change dozens of years and hundreds of research articles.
Science doesn't say "stretching NEVER works". It says "the majority of time for the majority of people with the majority of conditions, stretching alone will not improve pain or function."
We also can't eliminate time and placebo as a variable for your improvement.
I understand the point you were making, which is why I added the disclaimer that my case is nothing more than an anecdote. I just felt compelled to say something because I didnāt want people to read your comment and get discouraged from at least attempting a stretching exercise regimen if thatās what is prescribed by their doctor.
Not to come off as crass, but they should be discouraged if their doctor recommends something that has no evidence for it.
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No.
It is physiologically completely different.
Yeah for sure. This is really important. I've even considered buying those gadgets that help you with your postures. I've been seeing them all over facebook.
protip: do yoga :)
Iāve done yoga for about 5 years, whilst it is great, for fixing postural problems itās not as good as specifically targeted to the muscles that are weak or imbalanced as resistance training can be.
Actually his posture jacked up between his neck and head. He shouldn't give advice on posture. He's messing his own up.
In what way?
Doing these stretches while watching on my phone. Am I doing it right?
"Oof, that text neck posture looks bad for you."
Realize my own posture as I'm watching phone
"oh."
Fixed my text neck but now my double chin is back
Same here. Everytime i try these, tucking my chin in feels so unnatural and looks ridiculous.
vanishing chin > horizontal neck
Oh boy I can't wait to do this exactly one time and forget that it exists by tomorrow.
I've tried so many variations of this and can never stick to it. Have less problem motivating myself to go to the gym for some reason.
I find that having a calendar with check boxes helps a lot. Like, an actual printed calendar that you put on the fridge. Makes it a lot tougher to forget or blow off a day.
tack it into your routine. put a sticky on your toothpaste, do them right after brushing. make it just another step. normalize
This is great. Iām quite tall and Iāve had to literally look down at people my whole life. This has been a big reason as to why Iāve picked up the forward neck posture. Plus I play a whole bunch of games and am on my computer quite often so thatās definitely added to it. This video is great. Iām going to try do this.
Me too, what you just said describes me perfectly.
Me too, what you just said describes me perfectly.
Me too, what you just said describes me pefrectly.
Me too, what you just said describes me perfectly.
How tall are you?
6ā5 now
Now?
After I absorbed the life force of my victims.
That means he used to be shorter
Another tall guy here. If you haven't done this yet, I really recommend getting a monitor stand or monitor arms. It made a huge difference for me. Most guides say to aim to have your eyes about a third down from the top, but I find about center is most ergonomic for me.
Dude. Elevate your monitor.
Treat yo self?
Agreed! I notice I slouch out of necessity, like my head hitting the roof of the car. When I stand up straight and hold my head properly, I feel like Thanos looking down at the puny avengers.
Yup. I don't feel the need to stand up straight most of the time because I don't want to lord over people.
Trouble is, this just makes my jawline so much worse. I'm a pretty skinny guy, but I've got a pretty low hyoid bone which gives me a shit jawline and cervicomental angle. If I stand with proper head posture, my chin and jawline look awful
Grow a beard. A weak jawlineās best friend
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For bad necklines, here we have 4 ugly dudes. For good neck lines, here we have 4 attractive dudes.
See the difference?
Everything always comes back around to step 1. Be Attractive.
But is that just because of their necklines?
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Cause they don't exist.
Bad necklines still bad.
Was always annoyed about how my beard looked from sideview, now you've finally exposed the issue for me. Time to set the beardline a bit lower. The two finger widths from adam's apple rule is very intuitive. You've saved me, thank you my dude.
Another good general rule is to shave the part of the beard facing forward and leave everything facing down when trying to figure out a neckline.
You mean shave the parts that you can see below the jawline facing yourself in the mirror, and keep whatever is hidden beneath the chin?
Yup.
I just learned men contour, too.
Dude thanks for this. I could never figure out where to shave it. At least I knew something looked wrong every time I tried so just shaved everything anyway.
I learned this by friends telling me I look like a fucking idiot a week after having a beard. Maybe harsh but it taught me early.
TFW you can't grow any decent facial hair :'(
Google minoxidil
What if we canāt grow a beard either? Iām 19 and have a barely visible mustache and a bit of sideburns.
Hit the gym and lower your body fat percentage.
Won't help him if he has weak jaw.
Get a hex bar. Google "Kelso Shrugs".
Stop eating sugar, it kills T.
Ok, well I guess your fucked. There's no hope for you.
I really want to. First job where I actually can. But my boss is one of the few with a pretty fierce beard. Would feel like a douche, everyone thinking I'm trying to copy him. Stupid, I know.
Hah, I wish I could!
A beard is no replacement for a jawline, no matter how you trim it!!
Post pics
That's better than neck pain and headaches, no?
Yeah, gives me a double chin.
Bro, you're way too preoccupied
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Just a friendly reminder from a healthcare professional (orthopaedic physical therapist) that inactivity is the common denominator in most of neck related complaints.
Poor posture of often demonized as the #1 cause of neck pain but there is, in fact, very little scientific evicende to support this.
Always maintain a healthy work space and work:pause ratio while doing desk or physical work. Get 30 to 60 minutes of light to mild physical activity a day and at least 2 hours of mild to intensive physical activity per week (especially if you have a desk job).
If you have serious issues be sure to consult a legitimate healthcare professional to help you out with your issue(s).
PT here. His scm stretch instructions are incorrect. The head should rotate TOWARD the side you are stretching. Additionally it should be tilted AWAY from the side to be stretched, and the neck should be extended. So the stretch the left side the head should rotate left, tilt right, and the neck should extend while chin stays tucked
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I like sitting down, have one hand holding the underside of the chair, using the other hand I pull the side of my head towards that direction and after that I turn my head towards the opposite side.
Rotate your head to the side, then tilt your head in the direction your body is facing
Can you explain it in an even simpler way?
Build muscle until you have no neck.
Yes
Thanks, all I wanted to know.
Pls make a video. You have a point.
This should be higher up, it's a much better stretch.
Here, I was also wondering if I was doing it wrong.
Also the neck tucking strengthening excercise would strengthen the muscles in front of the neck, worsening the problem. It seems to me that you should stretch the muscles in front and strengthen the ones in the upper back and back of the neck.
Your logic is understandable but the chin tuck exercises are aimed at the smaller "deep neck flexors" which also include capital (head/skull) flexors which are typically weak and compensated for by the larger neck flexors muscles, theoretically contributing to the forward head posture. Additionally, the capital flexors must be strengthened because with forward head posture we see compensatory capital extension (head is cocked back to avoid staring at the ground), resulting in stretch/weakness of the capital flexors and tightness of the suboccipital/capital extensor muscles. Hope that makes sense
Is this a good method? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT_dFRnmdGs
How can he get so completely wrong then?
I like this one better all you need is a wall and it worked for me.
Posture is a tricky subject. This article by an excellent physio will play devilās advocate to the video:
http://www.greglehman.ca/blog/2014/11/22/text-neck-is-bad-science-and-fear-mongering
That's an interesting counterpoint. Maybe pain really does have nothing to do with posture. The post talks about how pain and posture is not related, but it seems like this is only looking at the short term effects. Is it possible that failing to correct posture leads to worse spines later in life? And what about aesthetics?
The entire field of physical therapy uses posture corrects to fix a huge range of problems (weakness, injury) and some of those problems came from bad posture in the first place. People wait to get therapy till it is extremely painful or their function is limited to the point it affects their life. It is extremely wrong to say posture and pain have no correlation. It is one of the many infuriating things the internet society has adopted as true because of a few popular sources but is completely wrong.
The guy who posted the blog post is a fool.. I am pretty certain he just googled "text neck myths" and found a title that validated his opinion and posted it here.. It's a critique of a single publication about text neck. Hardly proof of anything.
PT here. Posture is a contentious subject even among PTs. Many focus heavily on it, and some especially newer PTs take a similar argument to Greg Lehman (the blog author above). The most agreed upon answer is probably that it depends on the person. A normal healthy person is not going to ruin their neck or back by slouching a couple of hours per day, but if you have an issue that happens to be exacerbated by certain postures, or you hang out in certain postures so much that you literally lose the ability to come out of them, then you should probably work on it.
That I can agree with, because it at least acknowledges that neck stretches and exercises targeted at neck muscles that many have clearly never even heard of can beneficial to some. It's different for everyone. Coupled with that, regardless of whether it solves bigger problems related to pain in the neck, I don't see a scenario where correcting such an ugly looking trait is a bad thing. Lastly, is there any inherent problem in these exercises making it harmful to anyone who might attempt them? (As long as it doesn't hurt).
My main issue was that his link held a tenuous link to the video's recommendation of first stretching, then exercising some neck muscles. I felt that encouraging people to dismiss these exercises because of a broader topic of whether or not posture correction really helps people with chronic pain or not was harmful, since it's worth trying and seeing for yourself.
show me a picture of the oldest people that have "great" posture
you cant mother fuckers STANDING UP STRAIGHT KILLS YOU
Well, thanks for the insult.
If the video helps people, great. Iām no expert, but thereās always other viewpoints and approaches to be taken with the massive and complicated topic of posture and pain.
I simply posted the article to stimulate a bit of discussion. Itās a very individual topic and the more resources people have at their disposal, the better. The video could be of enormous help to some people, but so could the article for others who have tried the kind of things in the video without success.
I just don't see how the article you linked is constructive here, hence why I called you a fool. It doesn't bring anything worthwhile to the table, at least not in relation to what is being said in the video. Maybe if you hadn't presented it as a counterpoint to the video, I wouldn't have been so quick to insult you.
I'm a massage therapist and from my experience: you can have bad posture without pain for x amount of time. But once pain flares up it's difficult to get rid of and is compounded with bad posture. X is decided by a number of things, general build, strength of the postural muscles involved, stress levels and level of control you have over your musculature.
A strong person with low stress that understands their bad posture can be pain free for years. A weaker person who's stressed all the time and has very little control over their musculature will not last very long with bad posture.
Muscle control/awareness is probably the biggest factor. If you understand when certain muscles are over-tense and can manage to switch them off yourself you can avoid a lot of pain. Most people with pain have experienced some kind of trauma and the reaction for muscles to seize up hasn't been undone and that hypertense state leaves those muscles unable to go through the usual recovery process. Untreated whiplash often results in this.
I know it's not scienctific but it's my basic understanding and seems to hold true with a good majority of clients.
What you said in the third paragraph is 100% true. Happened to me last year with back tension when the usual physical therapy recovery didnāt work. Only when I started going for a massage twice a week and constantly rubbed out my back and released trigger points every morning and night did it get better. And that was a way more intensive recovery than what my doctor originally thought I needed.. stress related tension is no joke.
Spot on from my experience, as well.
Well posture can cause Spondylosis.
Sure, but itās important for looking good.
Came here looking for the warning post. Thanks for posting it.
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I tried to correct my posture, did exercises, stretching, yoga. It helped a lot until the day I pushed a little to hard and hurt my neck. I spent about 8 years trying to get through that pain, tightness, etc. Buyer beware. Helping your posture a little is good, trying to go from bad posture to great posture can do more harm than good. I'll never get those 8 years back. I spent a good portion of them lying in bed. I couldn't exercise, couldn't weight lift, couldn't hardly walk more than a half mile without pain. It still bothers me.
okay believe the wrong side lol
there is no counter point
I highly doubt that "text neck" isn't a bad thing, but it is good to be aware of any dangers before pursuing long term exercises like in the video.
The ole triple negative
Why do you highly doubt it?
There's just too much evidence that a bad posture is really bad for you
I would argue the opposite. Thereās actually a lot of evidence that showing very, very poor correlation of posture and pain. If you have access to a good systematic review or even RTC showing how ābadā it is, I would love to see it.
But you look like shit
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Is it actual conclusive data or is it just anecdotal?
How so?
Organ pressure, spine compression, maybe bloodflow.
You can research it yourself; it puts strain on bones and muscles, that we didn't evolve to have strained regularly.
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Bad posture doesn't cause you to slip a disk does it?
Ehhh I get it from a scientific perspective you want to be clear in your point, but I feel this message went too far going the other way. There definitely is such a thing as bad posture, not just bending the neck, but sitting in a way with a S shape spine or over bending spine can cause, at the very least, muscle and body imbalance (like this video explained about stretching stiff muscles and strengthening weak muscles). It isn't about our ability to adapt - as in sure, we can adapt to it, no problem - but the conflict between this adaption and other things we may do. Having an S shaped spine or heavily imbalanced body and playing high intensity sports is probably not a good co-adaption. That's a more extreme example, but even day to day stuffs, it may not be ideal.
The bigger issue partially mentioned in this passage is the big one - not moving and staying in a single posture for too long is the
I do agree on the part of fear mongering, generally our body is quite adaptable and not that fragile. If it isn't actively causing problems, chances are it's not too bad. Digression: Modern medicine is mostly based on conservatism out of liability reasons. I've had on both sides grade 2 ankle sprain and once almost fully torn ligament (grade 3). The general doctors all suggest to not move it and let it heal for a couple weeks, and avoid stressing it. Then after a few days (a couple weeks for the severe one), I have a professional sport physiologist take a look. She fcking bends my ankle in so many ways while pushing and massaging those injured areas extremely hard to loosen them. So painful I was yelling to the point of losing my voice completely thru the hour session, and almost past out a couple times. Then tell me to ignore the pain and DO NOT walk weird, take the pain and walk normally. Start light jogging in the morning and do recovery exercise (all of which hurts like FCK), otherwise risk permanent performance lost. I did, and that's why I am still ok. She was a professional badminton (lots of sprained ankles in her years) team's medical staff, and my family friend thus dgaf about liabilities, just wants me to be well. That's how big a difference medical advice is between an average joe to a trusted professional.
okayyyyy but what about --i agree on th posture thing btw--the whole fact that professional sports players do rest their injuries, that plus the fact that there are sports athletes pushing themselves even though they are injured, and then fucking their recovery and doing permanent damaging, the incentive to fix the problem is high and all that goes against what you said, so wheres the middle ground between this
Oh that specific problem highly depends on the injury itself. Please donāt follow it blindly as I have detailed instructions. I am not a medical expert and used it as a random example.
But to expand on it if you want to read...
First of all professional athletes have a different goal, sometimes not wanting to miss crucial games (willingly risking long term health) and professional games are completely different from ārecovery trainingā. Secondly my ankle sprains were sideway ones, not the major load bearing ones. A high ankle sprain / Achilles injury may need more time or a slower recovery ramp up.
Lastly, a completely torn ligament (which is the more news worthy injury when it comes to pro players) may require surgery and takes a long time to even bear weight, thatās not something you can decide by will. They still should use the same type of aggressive recovery training, but a month or two after the fact and go up to half a year of recovery process. Even then, permanent performance loss is usually present for something that major. But your average typical sprain ankle is not grade 3. I play basketball so it was something I looked a lot into.
This article reads like it is from someone who has struggled with bad posture and is looking for a reason for it to be ok.
Do most people think bad posture is actively bad for your health?
I was under the impression people are doing it because it can easily take someone from a 8 to a 5 if they have bad posture.
This article and that video are not quite related. The video just shows you ways to strengthen certain neck muscles and as a result improve the alignment of the spine. I don't think you can fault the video and say that exercising those parts of the neck is bad for you. Whether text neck is an epidemic or not is irrelevant, and you're discrediting the video with this completely unfounded, unscientific blog post that critiques a random publication in less than 600 words. The blog post just contends the correlation of posture to pain in the neck. Also, statements like "people have been knitting, reading, looking down at the sidewalk for centuries" is hardly what i'd call scientific proof. It's as if all you did was read the words in the link and decide this was a valid counter point.
Physical therapist here. Obviously Iām biased but I was hoping to see a counter here. Thanks for posting! Love Greg Lehmanās work.
If I stood as straight as the guy in OPs video, I would no longer have a chin.
Your post needs more upvotes. The whole posture and pain dogma is reductionist and dumb. Also likely does more harm than good with the fear mongering.
Those animations with muscules overlays over video were very, very cool and completely unexpected. Way more work was put into it than usually. Really appreciate that.
I really appreciated the whole video format. Thorough, succinct and not verbose.
Text neck?
I never knew I needed to see this thank you
Fuck I want that 99 cent big beef burrito for sure.
I think we'd all like 90's prices.
~~Inflation is a thing~~
Tech neck!
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*Counter-Strike neck
lol due to texting? people have been reading for a long long time.
or just walking with my head down for fear of making eye contact with another human being
For years, the ground was my view while I walked.
How am I supposed to walk if I don't look where my feet go?
Well, that's another reason. Used to trip a lot when I didn't look.
I would argue smartphones exacerbated the pandemic
I always called it World of Warcraft neck.
It's from going SCHWFF! ROUND THE CORNER!
I always just heard it as "nerd neck"
My duuude this is the reason my posture is shit. Slumped over playing wow forever
Computers?
you're reminding me of this:
https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*U36hBj8i-C7JJJxS4MP2HQ.jpeg
This is correct. It's likely more a "time under tension" problem rather than a postural one.
http://cochranelibrary-wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004250.pub5/full
No evidence that fixing posture or stretching helps neck pain, only strengthening!
idk why you people are all talking about neck pain - the title is "fix your forward head posture"
stretching definitely helps with that, and strength training on its own can make issues like forward head posture worse
Because that's what the review discusses.
Why do you care about posture? Because people think it's bad for their joints and muscles. Ie it will cause pain.
The right strength training only helps. In fact, stretching alone is well studied as useless. Stretching with strengthening is probably best.
I want to fix my posture for the appearance not to prevent pain.
And what will strengthening do?
I care about posture because it affects my self esteem and triggers depression
I don't really have any pain, in fact doing my exercises and trying to force a better posture is sort of painful
You don't think strengthening will help your self esteem?
If doing these is painful then you may be causing more problems then you're helping. This is why a catch all video is not helpful.
No, what the fuck are you talking about? It's to be more attractive.
And what does strengthening do..?
My personal experience is that strength training is key. But I also get a lot of relief from stretching and foam rolling. There are absolutely scar tissue formations that I'm able to break up by rolling and it helps immensely with pain over time.
Stretching provides brief relief but won't help long term, and can on fact make things worse depending. A lot of neck muscles are anti gravity and already stretched all day.
It's not scar tissue but just tone in the muscles that foam rolling helps.
So I'm not a doctor or PT to evaluate the veracity of specific studies or metadata analysis. That said if you watch this dude's video he cites a study that specifically address effectiveness of stretching when combined with strengthening (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/106698105790824888). Futhermore he says that stretching alone is not enough and gives excercises to do along with the stretches.
Basically the study dude in the video cites agrees with the study that you posted. I can't be arsed to look for anything specifically about stretching only, but the video talks about them in combination. Also, from your own link:
combined cervical, shoulder and scapulothoracic strengthening and stretching exercises varied from a small to large magnitude of beneficial effect on pain at immediate post treatment [SMDp -0.33 (95% CI: -0.55 to -0.10)] and up to long-term follow-up and a medium magnitude of effect improving function at both immediate post treatment and at short-term follow-up.
If you're just gonna google something that seems to agree with your point at least read through it....
And all the studies looking at strengthening only see equal results.
The video talks about scalene stretching, and people also love upper traps stretching. Both muscles are "anti-gravity" and don't benefit from stretching.
Nowhere in that link does it talk about strengthening only. I'm gonna be pedantic for a second here; I'm not saying you're wrong but even the evidence you provided doesnt support your assertion. In the linked metadata analysis it talks specifically about strengthening in combination with stretching. Now that may not be the case but to quote from the key results portion of your link:
There appears to be a role for strengthening exercises in the treatment of chronic neck pain, cervicogenic headache and cervical radiculopathy if these exercises are focused on the neck, shoulder and shoulder blade region. Furthermore, the use of strengthening exercises, combined with endurance or stretching exercises has also been shown to be beneficial.Ā
So basically it still seems that you decided what you thought was true and then googled a study that vaguely supports your point but only if you don't read it too closely.
Is the stretching in the video the right kind? I have no idea. I'm just some asshole arguing on the internet at two in the morning. But based on the studies, there does seem to be evidence that stretching combined with strengthening works.
Try the actual PDF then. http://cochranelibrary-wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004250.pub5/epdf/standard
Conclus ion: There is moderate quality evidence (three trials, 157participants,Andersen 2008; Andersen Ch 2012; Dellve 2011)that scapulothoracic and UE strength training probably improvespain a moderate to large amount immediately post treatmentand at sh ort-term f ollow-up. It may improve functional outcomeswhen compared to control at short-ter m follow-up (10 to 20 weeksof inter vention).
Conclus ion: Low quality evidence (one trial, 50 participants,Kjellman 2002) shows no difference f or pain relief and functionimmediately post intervention, at six and 12 months follow-up us-ing Cervical/UE Stretch/ROM Exercise + Cervical/UE Strength-ening + Dynamic Cer vical Stabilization f or chronic MND.
One example. It's good to be pedantic, especially if that link didn't back up what I said.
You never saw as many people with their head in a book as you do people looking down at their phone nowadays. Even if you were an avid reader you never had a book on you as often as people have their phones.
you might be right, but the whole argument reminds me of this meme:
https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*U36hBj8i-C7JJJxS4MP2HQ.jpeg
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standing? sitting? lots, and even more in the past before everyone had smart phones. my point is this posture is not due to anything new.
went from all chin to no chin
Thanks for the post! I needed this!
Remember that strengthening your your lower pectoral muscles is also important. And to take good care of often forgotten smaller muscles by using small weights.
(From a cronical neck pain sufferer)
For normal build and without injuries etc. If standing back against a wall and touching it with the back of your head hurts, you need to start doing exercises to fix posture. Stretching helps but the quickest fix has been to do "flapping your wings", back against the wall, back of the head touching the wall, feet just an inch or so from the wall (so you don't have to struggle to not fall forward). Hands pointing down start lifting them palm down to the sides so you are bit like Jesus spending his Easter holiday. Hold just a bit, then lift them straight up and hold. Repeat couple of times, then do the same with palms up but after "christ pose" touch your shoulders. It is sort of "recalibration" and it feels like it too... The good thing about that is that you can do it in a minute and it helps along with stretching. I've found it as a good test and quick fix, if it hurts to keep your head on top o your spine, things are not good. Your jaw should not go down, we are not trying to flatten the neck curve.. nor can you cheat by lifting your chin. If it really hurts, go to a doctor, physiotherapist or seek better advice's, damned Jim i'm not a doctor. But i used to have quite a slump for a while, correlating strongly with my internet usage back in the mid 00s, combined with fuzzy CRT monitors too long... Thank goodness my dad kept my posture correct so i got a good start.
The effect of good posture is: if you are 6 with bad posture, you are 7 with good posture. or 7Ā½. It really makes a huge difference, both in your looks and for confidence. Keep your head up is not just an empty phrase, it affect mood and it makes people to treat you differently, which again improves mood and self confidence.
It is a positive loop, it is amazing how strong the effect is (or i have good kind of placebo, if so: please don't correct me..).
I tried this for a few days and got serious back pain. Maybe that was just it working, but without being guided by a professional it scared me to continue.
Extensive pain is not normal and then it is doctors who need to sort it out what to do. In no case should one force a new posture. Some amount of pain is expected, there are a lot of muscles, tendons, joints, cartilage that are not used to the new posture, things needs time to adjust into new shape and so on (i assume, i'm not a doctor and have sample size of one, what works for me may not work for others.. i think ).
One thing that gets better are all kinds of neck pains. If we look at the neck and head as a lever, it is quite easy to see how just a bit of lean will need multiple times force to keep the head up.. When it rests on top of the spine, everything gets better. There is a bundle of nerves that come out from the base of your skull, split and wrap around our neck and travel to the chest. If this gets pinched, you get a headache. It can also send other sensations, block transmission from the body and misfire. Slumping forward pinches that nerve bundle quite easily and the whole area start tensing even more, pushing things tighter and tighter until you have a throbbing headache.
Good thing he took his shirt off.
It shows how your spine and muscles are shaped, so it's kinda necessary I feel. The curvature and bend of your traps and shoulders?
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Drop the pencils and pick up some weights, nerd
But... all my laboratory documentation is in ink š¤
Well I guess it's time to start doing it in chalk because your hands better be fucking caked in it at all times!
Do it in gains.
But they are shaped similarly just not protruding. People have this missconception that since their muscles are not big/strong/bulging that they do not share the same structural importance or that these kinds of things do not apply to them. When I am doing physical therapy on a 90 y/o female with osteoporosis their traps still perform the same tasks and structural stabilization of the scapula as a body builder.
Or he was joking.
The first guy said it shows how things were shaped and thus added to the video. In response the next guy said his muscles were not shaped like that. Either he was using that statement to poke holes in the first post, or he was joking. Either way it opened the doorway for me to comment about people who say "that isnt how my body looks/works" since I have seen/heard that on a lot of threads about anatomy or kinesiology.
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Right, and I got my message across. Win win
It was essential
It's why I clicked
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What if warlock is a woman?
that would be gay
no u
Stop being salty. Itās for a medical demonstration. You sound like a child
Jeremy is such a good guy releasing quality content for every lifter and people in general out there. And all I see here are people shitting on him for taking 30 second more in introduction and taking his shirt off. Some real mix of ADHD and OCD here.
Found the fat guy
oof
Is that the sound you make when you get off the couch?
No itās when I make sweet sweet love to yer mum
oof
These are some good techniques to implement in your daily routine!
Thank you very much for sharing. I am now smarter and more powerful than I've ever been. I am more aware of how I can better my head posture.
EDIT: And it is based on research. That's a good thing. I'd hate to do things with neck if it was based on some layperson's gut feeling about what might be good for your body.
I am now smarter and more powerful than I've ever been.
Sarcasm?
now that I know how to stretch my neck no mere mortal can hope to contain my
P O W E R
I have become S M A R T E R and more
A W A R E than any human could ever be
I have A S C E N D E D to become a
R E S E A R C H B A S E D L I F E F O R M
I forgot to take my medicin this morning. Sorry.
Manic?
[SUBJECT:FANTASTICDANE] [ACTION:TAKE] YOUR [OBJECT:MEDICINE]
Nah /u/FantasticDane is a DBZ villain.
I disagree with this video I am layman with a huge gut so my gut feeling is like 50 lbs better than anyones. He wrong.
THIS hinestly is ine the cleverest comments i read here and im giggling. Youre a funny dude
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How does his comment have anything to do with Jordan Peterson?
Literally nothing connects the two, I would just guess this guy hates him and wanted an excuse to vent
It's interesting how people absolutely demonize him. I think he says some intriguing things and some stupid things, but there's a section of the internet that thinks he's some kind of next-Hitler.
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I've read the most recent book where chapter 1 is about just that, and saying that he believes it makes you gay is fairly biased and unfair against him.
As I said, I think a lot of what he says is pretty out there and stupid, but almost everyone who argues against him likes to paint him with broad strokes like that.
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I can understand the "undertones" you feel from him, but I feel like those undertones are 90% of the time simply pushed by the people who hate him so much. From what I've heard from his lectures, his books, and his interviews, I haven't gotten a homophobic vibe from him at all. And yet most people in my friend group who talk about him talk about how he's a "homophobic, sexist pig that is trying to radicalize the young men of the nation."
The worst thing I have to say about him, after engorging myself in his lectures, books, and etc. for months, is that he can be tunnel-visioned and a bit delusional sometimes, especially in his appearance on the Sam Harris podcast.
He also comes across as very confident in what he's saying, as though he's saying it as the absolute truth. Anybody like this in the media or even in everyday life (I know this from experience) makes enemies.
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I can agree with pretty much everything you're saying here for the most part, yep. I'm not sure he's the type of person that should have the media spotlight on him, because I don't think he handles it well to be honest. But the conversation around him is definitely intriguing and it's opened my eyes to the way people react to people these days.
For example, I've made up my opinion about Peterson pretty much entirely through what he's said and written. It pretty much boils down to I don't think he's Hitler v2.0 but I also don't think he's got the full answer to a lot of things. I think a lot of what he says is incomplete (for example, the lobster posture thing doesn't really take into account all the new aspects of society in 2018), and so most of his stuff is only useful if you take it and actually think about it yourself and how it could factor into your life. He's specialized, and I think people should take a lot of what he says with a grain of salt, and make their decisions themselves.
However most of the people I know absolutely hate him, and they turn on me when I defend him against some of the stuff they say about him. To them, if you do or say one bad thing, you're painted with a broad stroke of "bad/dangerous" and radicalized into some evil figure of influence.
I think this reaction is very dangerous. I am glad of the social developments we've made in the past few decades, but I think it's ridiculous that people think it rational to read a few headlines about someone and then form a radicalized opinion of them so quickly.
I'm glad to have an actual intelligent conversation about him here, cause most of the time I just get called a "suppressed alt-right white guy" the second I defend him.
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Honestly, the issue with your Facebook experience is a huge issue I'm seeing more and more of everyday. Socrates I think said it best (paraphrasing), that the sign of wisdom is to be able to entertain a thought and not believe it. Or to like a comedy show without agreeing with everyone on the show. People are just so scared to even think about stuff, because they think that if they think it, then they believe it.
I think this is also where stuff like Homophobia comes from as well.
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Even if this were true, there is no direct correlation between that and the comment you were replying to. "Thank you very much for sharing. I am now smarter and more powerful than I've ever been. I am more aware of how I can better my head posture."
It's so generic it doesn't connect at all. If they used the word lobster, sure, but they didn't.
Layperson?
Aware, but won't do anything about it!
Is this the same as anterior pelvic tilt?
Nope. He also has a great video here on fixing it though!
Different things
Jeremy is very attractive.
Did anyone else immediately pull their head back up when they scrolled past the thumbnail? Just me?
Even though Iām on my bed and my usual text neck is straight, I still did that.
I trust this guy, I've seen his youtube channel and the stuff he says is actually backed by science unlike 90% of the youtube fitness industry smh
Dude I thought my neck was just like that normally, Iāve been walking around like some forward neck bitch this whole time
You and me both, brother
Bruh this is my fucking life. I am done walking around like some forward necker now
Forrest Gump is on Reddit?
THANK YOU REDDIT
Who else was watching this with a text neck
These type of stretches really help my headaches I get from looking at a screen all day. In the least, they are very effective in that sense.
Nerd neck as i like to call it and cus, jeremy ethier saving our gains
Ay Jeremy Either, love this guy :) his workout videos are the best!
Holy crap thank you I have been harped on for so long about this and now I have the info to fix that!
Should I buy my home gym before or after I put two big cups of pre-workout up my butt?
Coffee enemas have a slightly more rapid blood absorption, but have markedly less peak and average blood serum concentration (with respect to caffeine). This probably extends to preworkout as well.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1155/2013/147238
So before would be the economical choice
does this need to be 6 minutes long wtf
it's just 6 minutes, wtf
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Aw fuck off. It is a informational video. I found the pace perfect and information was given in an appropriate time. Don't be so cynical
Yeah especially considering stretching/exercising isn't something you should rush learning how to do. This guy doesn't waste time, he goes into further detail about why this issue happens, what exactly should be done to correct it, and common mistakes that are made.
I feel like addressing the common mistakes is a really good way of teaching exercise
Let's be honest, who is going to do this every day?
Lol right? I'll never remember plus I have a ton of other shit I have to do throughout the day. This just adds to the pile. I've been actively trying to stand and sit up straight to better my posture. I think that'll be good enough.
I think it's great to post this content and share the exercises. But honestly, can you expect anyone to do this daily? It's highly unlikely
people who care about their health
I keep my shoulders back: straighter spine at the shoulders. I pull my head back (chin down): straighter neck. I consciously do these as often as I can remember. My 'text neck' is disappearing (though mine is 'book-reading neck').
Simple.
Tits out bum out. Easy.
i want 2 c more pics of h ot hunk
I prefer ATHLEAN-X's version
Coming from an occupational therapist, this wonāt get you great results. Itāll help a little, but not a ton.
It would be better to lay on something like a pool noodle running down your back and ending at the upper back. Bring the chin down to the sternum and breathe deeply to get the shoulder blades down to the floor, while keeping the entire back flat against the noodle (donāt let the ribs rise).
Do this for 10-15 minutes at a time. Works absolute wonders in even a week.
What the fuck is this doing on the front page for a second time within like two weeks? This is an ad.
Don't think it's even been a week since this video was last on the front page.
This video focuses specifically on neck exercises and stretches that will correct "text neck". The video I posted last week was focused on back exercises for correcting hunchback posture.
Oh, very sorry. I am indeed mistaken then.
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What shall the punishment be then?
I thought it was called ānerd neckā
'Nerd neck' is the technical term, 'text neck' is for the streetwise young 'uns.
They're actually both connected. Combined, they form something called the upper crossed syndrome. The problems plaguing both are essentially the same. Tight muscles on one plane, and weak muscles in another plane.
http://www.muscleimbalancesyndromes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/fig04_02a.jpg
There is also a lower crossed syndrome, which has its own set of exercises and stretches. Helps a lot with lower back pain.
What's the difference between forward head posture and hunchback posture?
Forward head posture is something that is usually developed as a compensation for developing or having already developed a hunchback posture (i.e. rounded upper back and rounded shoulders). When you're hunched forward with your upper back, in order to look straight ahead your head begins to tilt upwards, giving you a nerd neck.
These issues afaik should be fixed at the same time, which is why I find it strange that the guy in the video decided to split the exercises in two videos.
Oops, I thought it was the same video too and was going to post something snarky. Now I feel like a jackass.
I have been working with my kindergartener on back posture while sitting on the floor since they do this so much at school. While doing this I notice that my back feels better but my hips get tight pretty quickly. Iām hoping you have some video/suggestion that can help with this.
good, repost this everywhere!
I didnāt see it last time and Iām glad I saw it this time!
Very helpful. Thank you.
I was interested in learning about this daily exercise routine, gave up watching after a minute.
Just lean ur head back
I don't take the time to watch videos on Reddit all the time, but I knew this one was worth watching. Thanks
I love this guy, him and Athlean X are probably the only fitness YouTubers that Im subscribed too
holy shit, this guys videos are a godsend
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Even more annoying when the arrow or circle highlights something vague or has nothing to do with the video just for clicks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT_dFRnmdGs
This one's been posted about a million times on reddit, but as someone who spends 90% of my day on a PC, I found this one to help quite a bit doing it just 2x a day. It's also a bit quicker to do, although you look like an idiot doing it at the office.
And another tip - raising the height of your monitor might help, found myself not leaning into the screen as much after I did that
Jeremy enthir does some great science based workout videos, highly recommend
I needed this, my mom constantly tells me to stand up straight! Ha ha!
Sometimes I feel like I'm expected to spend three to four hours a day stretching and exercising to stay healthy...
Ideally yes that's probably not too far off. We never were meant to be this sedentary. Being moderately active for 3 hours per day and intensely active for 1 hour per day would likely result in great health and fitness.
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Ive been doing exercises like this for almost 4 years and can have seen improvements but never had a good posture. If I really force it I can have an okay posture. I'm 6'4" so I feel it's a constant battle against nature (or at least modern design)
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never actually uses it
Oh it is called Text-Neck now? Back in the days it was the Gamer-Neck.
I don't really believe most of this sort of stuff but screw it, i've just finished uni, quit smoking, have nothing much to do, and started getting back into exercising. I'm gonna give these a try for a few weeks and see if there's any noticeable change or if this is complete pseudoscience bullshit with no effect whatsoever.
Wait....just pull your neck back right?
Oh shit, are we Facebook now?
This seems like a lot of work, can I just wear some sort of head neck thing
Every posture video trys to ham a different exercise. Is any of this actually proven to work.
6 minutes long? I'll pass.
yes trust a gym rat with advice. that helps.
just go visit your chiropractor and he'll diagnose your issues and help you fix them
Chiropractors are quacks so it'd probably be just as helpful to consult a gym rat.
Lol what? The āgym ratā is either a physiotherapist or sports physiologist. Pretty good qualifications actually.
A chiropractor is a deucebag that cracks your neck and believes that your vertebrae can āmisalignā
I used to have bad posture. Then I started standing up straight. You really donāt need a video like this to fix your posture and unless you consciously try and fix your posture, these exercises wonāt help much. Stand up straight, bad posture isnāt a disability, itās a habit.
I dunno, my shoulders/neck have been like this since childhood and standing up straight is an impossibility because although my back is straight, everything above the shoulders isn't, somehow.
Trying to stand up straight while walking has me sort of inadvertently lean my upper back/chest backwards, like an old school cartoon character.
Your advice is worse than bad routines in the video. Bad posture for long periods of time takes a toll on your body and makes it impossible to just stand straight. Doing something is better than nothing.
Has anyone tried this? Sounds like good information.
Yes, Iāve had neck issues for a while and my physical therapist suggested the double chin one. My doctor also recommended the first exercise. The trick is not overdoing it, your neck muscles/ligaments are very sensitive.
I know all of this because of p90x.
I need to do this.
Why did this show up in my best tab? What are you doing Reddit?
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Ive heard it called tech-neck, but never text neck".
huh.
FIX "SITTING NECK".
ROUTINE
I always wondered. Does overall working out in a gym with multiple routines also help forward head posture?
I've been going to the gym since a few months and it seems to have helped with me, but i can just be having a confirmation bias.
Dang this is cool
Thank you
My back is bent from all the hard labour. Any advice?
OP posted a video on back exercise last week
Deadlift
I just wear a collard shirt.
Neck
I watched this while looking down at my phone
Someone told me years ago to walk as if thereās a string attached to the crown of your head and itās gently pulling you up. It definitely works.
For later
Omg I need dis. Saving.
Thanks for making this video.
If I'm too impatient to watch a 7 minute video, I'm sure as hell not going to do the exercises.
Tbh I feel that either of the positions in the thumbnail are unnatural.
This guys videos have been showing a lot on my YT feed and now suddenly on Reddit a good bit - what algo changes have caused this?
good video
thanks m8, hopefully this helps. Had ātexting neckā since I was 12.
RemindMe! 10 hours
Interesting
coolp
Protip: don't play PC games for ten hours a day
Looks likes he spends a disproportionate amount of time on his arms.
I straightened up from looking at the thumbnail
Face the wall/ shower head while showering everyday, you will hold your head straight to avoid the water in ur eyes for minutes at a time
I went to physical therapy for some clavical pain, did all these exercises. So, seems like he knows what he's talking about!
I needed this in my life so badly!! Always wondered how the hell I was supposed to fix this! Thank you!
Best way to fix this is to not have a double chin.
Whatās the tl;dr on this? I have an aversion to watching guys who are in better shape than I am on the youboob.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/06/08/412314701/lost-posture-why-indigenous-cultures-dont-have-back-pain
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Tldr?
:/ I started using an ironing board as a table - Its slim, lightwight and height adjustable. Also has enough space for a mouse pad and a notebook (if I want to make any notes).
Got one from an OP Shop for $5.
Nice
Great!
My neck started to hurt far before we saw any stretches
i have a bad experience which i still
Iām Probly never going to follow through with doing this
. . . or Beast Barracks and plebe year -- "Get your kneck in, SMACK!" :-)
Thank you kind stranger, I can fix my head now.
I need to start doing this.
Just stand up straighter mother fucker!
Giggity.
This is great stuff...i had headaches chronically for 3-4 years thinking it was sinuses or blood pressure. Ended up being jacked up neck muscles!
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Most people on reddit are going to need this
Just do deadlifts
Aka how to expose your double chin
Dude is just standing up straight. Lame
But if I do that I look fatter.
Comment so I can find this again
tl;dr?
Going to have to watch this later when I can, thanks.
Will watch later
Step one... be totally ripped.
Seriously, a couple weeks ago I searched and watched a couple videos on youtube about how to fix a hunchback posture. This is the second time within a week I've seen a post on reddit about the subject.
Wasn't this guy banned from parts of Reddit for vote manipulation: https://www.reddit.com/r/gainit/comments/7pdda6/jeremy_ethier_and_his_101_guides_have_been_banned/
looks like he's changed the target of his self promotion youtube viewer farming to /videos.
Cool
OC or anyone, actually: Have you tried this and worked? I always had this kind of neck issue and that makes me look like I'm photo bombing even if it's a photo of just me.
I honestly think text neck has done some damage to me over the years. That combined with weird sleep neck and sitting-at-the-computer neck.
!RemindMe 1 week
Lol, its text neck now? They change it every 10 years, from reading to using a computer to texting
The way I correct posture: make the front of your neck short and the back of your neck long. You should feel your chest push out if you do it right. It becomes habit.
I feel the hardest thing for me would be to remember to sit straight.
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This was posted last week and got to the front page.
Excellent video. I catch myself pushing my head forward in the gym and now I understand better why this is a bad habit
RemindMe! 24 hours
We need more videos like this to be on the front at least once a week. It's very important to keep a good posture and also learning of being healthier
TL;DW?
Yep, definitely gonna need this
Good lord, can I get a tl;dr?
Stretch and stuff.
All you have to do is mind ya neck.
This is exactly what I didnāt know I was looking for
This guy just copies Cavalier. Also on YouTube.
Remind me tomorrow
Watching this on my phone in a car feels ironic
good posture isnt a workout lol
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How do we call the reddit bot that edits the bullshit out of long winded videos?
Tl;dw but ITV?
STAND UP STRAIGHT MAGGOT
Thanks for this. Properly stretching the neck feels so good.
Him: I should do this with my shirt off to help show the diffrence.
Yeah but you look way more yoked with your head forward
Whoās the model in the pictures?
Lmaoo read that as "fix your forehead posture"
Instructions unclear. Dick stuck in forward posture.
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Just move your head back Boom Problem solved Edit: /s
Cheers
Commenting so i watch this tomorrow
Now my neck hurts. š
The posture they said was correct (as in the photo of the video) of straightness is actually incorrect. The spine should not be straight , due to normal curvature of the spine, but should not be over-exaggerated like in their other photos. They have the right idea, but I don't think they actually have the correct information of what they are trying to accomplish.
Er
Ooo interesting
Save for later
I'm 60% convinced that there's upvote bots here.
This videos have been great. Do you have anything for hand/wrist pain from typing and clicking a mouse all day?
Long neck ass
Finally, a video for people with giraffe necks
nice.
Is there a video for fixing slouches ?
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That neck looks so weird to me. As a rugby hooker, just 8 seconds against your hands every direction once a day will beef your neck up.
Awesome. Just as good when it was posted last week.
Can't tell if bots or just new r/videos trend.
very useful advice
Educational
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Why should i listen to this guy? What if doing those stretches is actually bad?
Youāre hot
I do something similar every day. Highly recommend. It saved me from cervical fusion surgery. (Well, from a greedy, unethical surgeon who could have just told me this but instead told me I'd lose control of my bowels and be wheel-chair bound if I didn't get the surgery oh by the way we have a spot just open up next Tuesday otherwise the next available date is 3 months from now...)
Is it eye glasses?
thank you for this ill be using the tips
lol that grey 3d model someone just straight up moved the head position on one axis
Bump.
Man this guyās videos kinda freak me out. We have the same name and he looks a lot like I did 20 years ago except more buff.
Itās like looking at some alternate universe version of myself.
Don't forget about shoulder posture, too. Rows, external rotation, and pec minor stretch. I do this as a therapist with people who often think they have carpal tunnel because their hand hurts, but it's their poor posture.
What role does the trapezius play in forward head posture?
and last but not least, throw away your smartphones and tablets!
:)
Cool
!RemindMe
Way too many of these now chill out
The sideview on the right doesn't exactly look "nice" either. His neck doubles in width vertically
Gonna have to do these exercises now
Tech neck
Not text neck.
I'm looking forward to doing this infrequently for a few days before I completely forget about it.
https://youtu.be/6pMJdql-QJk
This one will get to the point much faster and it is as effective as it looks stupid.
Just put the phone down if you realize your looking more like a giraffe.
Redditor before/ Redditor after! :D nice video!
If you change your left posture then there's nothing to look forward to.
Great video! Very informative ;)
Good video I'll upvote but never actually implement.
My grandma taught me that:) It optimizes a blood flow if I recall correctly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQylqaCl8Zo#t=1m48s
[Main Points from excellent video/demonstration] (https://imgur.com/a/t226INZ)
video was too long. Halfway through it, I got hungry so I left it playing and went to the kitchen to fix my self a sandwich. But then I found out that I'm out of mayonnaise so I went to a store. There, I saw the most beautiful woman I have ever seen in my whole life. But I'm really a shy person so I took up a three-year personality development course so I can introduce my self. She was very friendly and all, but unfortunately, she has a boyfriend. So I said, all good, I'm a mature person. I want the best for her and I harbor no illusion that I am the best person for her and she seems happy with her boyfriend, so I did not bother her anymore. But we kept in touch and we became friends and I got over my crush on her. Then she broke up with her boyfriend, we drank some alcohol because of it, I told her she'll be fine and I wished her well. I still think she's the most beautiful woman in the world, but like I said, I am over my crush on her. It was like five years already when I first saw her. Besides, I am quiet happy with the friendship I developed with her. It was more important than a crush. So we kept hanging out, drinking, having coffee, and all. I had a girlfriend, she started dating other guys. My girlfriend wants to live some other life without me in it, so I said, okay, I want the best for you and I want you to pursue your happiness. My lady friend and I drank alcohol about it, and she gave me the same advice I gave her when she was in that position and I became okay with the breakup immediately. But we were really drunk, so she spent the night in my apartment. I only have one bed, so you know what that means: She took the bed and I slept on the couch. But on the couch, I really can't sleep. Something was bothering me. So I tossed and turned for about three hours, then I finally can't take it anymore, I stood up and went straight to my room where she's sleeping. I approached the bed, gently sat on it and I reached for her shoulder to pull her closer to me. She stirred and woke up. She asked what's up. I told her, you know, the first time I saw you, I was watching a video and left it playing to get my self a sandwich then went to the store to get some mayo then I got distracted by life that I forgot to finish the video. She said, you know what, I've been wondering about a weird noise in your night drawer. So we opened that drawer, and lo and behold, there's my phone and this video still has two minutes of play time on it.
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This guy has a neck on him for sure.
Saving for later
Great stretches, once you get past the blah, blah, blah.
For some reason whenever I try to use a lacrosse ball on the back of my head to release the suboccipitals, Iāll get a headache.
Does this happen to anyone else or am I doing something wrong?
Saving for never
I'm getting real tired of hyper-fit, perfect-posture guys telling me how to improve myself.
Love his videos (and him š)
Gigity.
tl;dw please?
Just skip to the part where he shows the exercise, video isn't even that long tbh
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Clearly different videos since the titles are different. The one a few days ago was for hunchback which focused on the middle back muscles while this one focuses on the neck.
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Different video.
Oh shit. I totally have that. Didnt even realise
What a stupid fucking term.
What if u donāt like either poses?
Cool click bait, m8.
But text neck provides the best ID photos, folks.
3 months of USMC boot camp cured me of that problem
Gosh heās hot š
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I still think this guy is affiliated with the creator
Does it make a difference if a creator posts a video or a random dude posts the video? If people want to watch it, it gets upvoted
Who gives a fuck? If it's good content, it's good content.
Does it matter if he posts videos on fixing people's postures? I know I do this with my neck and I'd say I gladly appreciate the video.
That guy looks like a fuckin giraffe š
I don't think this is from poor posture. It's probably from when people lie down with their heads propped up by a pillow so they can text.
No.
Yes.
RemindMe! 7 hours
Why?
People donāt do regular stretches? Hmm...
good lord does he have a bod
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It's a different video, that one was for middle back muscles.
We get it, we don't need to post this video every week.
We call this nerd neck
Letās be real for a second. No one has there head popping out like a turtle.
There are no high quality studies that this works, or that "text neck" even exists in the first place. Some peoples head posture is somewhat more further forward than others. Thats just how it is, thats not a good or bad thing, and it doesnāt cause pain in and of itself.
You don't need to correct your posture to have a better posture. You can do it instantly by walking and sitting with your back straight and head up. If you fix your posture now and make a habit of sitting and standing correctly you wont need this.
Itās not that simple. Poor posture is often caused by extremely tight muscles that have been that way for years.
You canāt just simply correct it by focusing on keeping an upright posture all of the time. The muscles will still be tight, pulling them back into the poor positioning.
I trust you because du bist nicht Hitler
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what are you talking about?
Hey thanks for the information. Just so you know, the cover shot is really bad. No one should walk around the way you show in the cover photo. That would actually be unhealthy.
Please fix this because everything else in this video is excellent. thanks!
"With that being said" == "Yo I just said these words"...
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Guys you all need to buy a Gravity Life! Mine took the pressure off my neck, feel a lot more comfortable. www.gravitylife.co.uk
r/nottheonion
For a guy who is talking about confidence, he sound quality and blinking seems to indicate he has some stuff to work on too.
I'd like to see your exercise video with your shirt off
I bet you would ;)
Thanks for the constructive criticism
It is constructive. There are 2 things to take away from my comment:
I long for a video that gets to the point, doesn't repeat the title, tell us what we're going to be doing today, etc. Good advice tho.
Yeah! Also, an online recipe that doesnāt have 2 pages of repetition and fluff.
Oh my God exactly. I don't care where the fuck you got the recipe from. Just tell me what I need and how the hell to make it.
probably has to do with blog metrics and google adsense.
Yeah, the ideal length for a YouTube video is ten minutes. For text articles they want you to spend at least 3-10 minutes on it. Which is fucking annoying because you know I'm going to have the recipe open the whole time I'm making it.
dude algorithems are ruining social media. It's the real reason why I deleted facebook, and the real reason why I stopped using instagram. Twitter is the only superior social media, and I can literally mute keywords so they dont pop up on my feeds.
Youtube blogger stuff has to be the biggest nonsense ever.
the worst is when you search for stuff (or info) like when the s8+ was gonna get oreo, I'd get these blogs that would just repeat common search phrases over and over and over again offering no fucking relavent info, just so they can make some money and then go to /r/Entrepreneur and talk about how they are the new tech billionaire of reddit
> algorithems are ruining social media
More like millennials are ruining algorithms
"Just so they can make some money" you didn't think they did it for fun did you?
The problem isn't making money. The problem is making money without making a contribution to earn it.
That doesn't excuse this bullshit.
It's not really the algorithms, it's the money involved.
Ideal length based on what? Viewership, ad revenue?
Edit: this is what I found when googling the topic. Seems like top viewership trends towards 4 mins on avg - at least in this apparent study.
https://www.minimatters.com/youtube-best-video-length/
Yup. Blame Google basically.
Gotta control that bounce rate
And regular followers for whom creators might want slightly more personal content.
Or stick all that jazz on the end for those bored and those enthralled.
That would be awesome actually. I like to know why people have the recipes they do, but I want to look through the ingredients to know if I'd even want to try it. I'm not worried about how your aunt Sophie used to make this and it was changed over the years - maybe if it's good I'll look that shit up. But that doesn't impact my decision to use a recipe
I give this recipe five stars. I made a few changes. I didn't use any of the original ingredients and smoked it instead of the recommendation to roast it. Perfect recipe. Five stars
I followed your recipe but I cut it in half and then doubled it. Five stars.
These can easily be found on recipe websites. If you don't want a food bloggers perspective, don't go to food blogs.
I think they do it for SEO but why canāt they at least put the recipe up top and the fluff below it?
The writer of that recipe is providing you valuable content for free, and the effort of scrolling down for ten seconds so they can receive a fraction of a cent for their effort is now your biggest issue? How selfish and narcissistic can you be?
... I don't give a fuck about your grandma coming over the boat with this recipe in her only shoe. That shit ain't valuable.
The topic of posture reminds me of a long, sappy, tedious story of when my great grandmother came to this country on a coal powered turnip ship...
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but first... HAVE YOU TRIED AUDIBLE?
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Neocities makes it feel like the late 90's
While snacking on Siracha roasted cashews?!
While I grill up my steaks from Butcher Box.
"So I just wanna talk a bit about.. Designing my new website.." - - [X]
It doesn't matter anyway, my recipe switches radish for turnip, bacon fat for vanilla, rice flour instead of all-purpose and eliminates the carrot poaching. Read the rest on page 3
But first SMASH that subscribe button and ding that bell so you'll be the first to know when I go on a long rant!
I'm really surprised no one has asked you to go on yet.
go on..
Mine came on a turnip powered coal ship!
Cousins??
Letās go bowling!
Oh boy i can't wait for this recipe for cheese on toast
This reminds Rolf of the stories Nana told me of the old country.
...oh Nana...
Foodwishes.com
Chef John is hilarious and amazing
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This is my favorite chrome extension.
The fact itās a Chrome extension, when all of this is Googleās fault, fulfills my poetic boner quota for the day.
to be fair, if it's done well many will have little tips and tricks that they've learned. and that's what a recipe shield be. not a list of ingredients and instructions. that's just a formula. little notes and tips or techniques to improve and watch for are what makes some write ups worth it to me. especially if it's a more complicated recipe or something that relies on sensory cues
That's why I like serious eats. They have all the tips and reasons why and things learned, but they include a link at the top to go straight to the recipe. It's awesome having the option for either.
yup! and many authors go into the science and interactions of ingredients. plus I've seen comparisons of differing amounts of active ingredients, etc. love that website.
I completely disagree. Most of the time is a story about how the recipe makes the writer feel or what memories it brings up or the history of how it was passed down. It's a bunch of bullshit that has nothing to do with anything.
I think every red blooded male will agree with me here, if there is a link to a recipe there should a photo of the final product at top, a list of ingredients and measurements below that, then a the clear list of steps(INCLUDING measurements in the steps) And anything else you want to add after that, because it's not really needed most of the time.
How all those Pinterest websites and links organize things is insane and so inefficient. I know their target audience is women and generally they want that stuff, but as a man it's infuriating dealing with it.
Woman here. No, we don't want that stuff. Sites use it to optimize search engine results, not because viewers want it. In general women find it as infuriating as you do.
I'm glad I'm not alone.
I didn't intend my comment to come off as sexist and Im kind of afraid it did. Im cool with people enjoying the fluff in the recipes, I just think of it as a "men are from Mars women are from Venus" kind of thing.
I just wish it was placed after the real meat of what the web page is about.
It would be nice if it was at the end, but most people wouldn't read that far and all of that ad space is then wasted :)
I think I'm too cynical.
Cynical is just another word for right. And you can't be too right.
that's why I said if it's done well. those that talk about their day that lead to why they craved this random recipe are not doing a good job. yeah a list of steps works, but the tips and tricks can really go a long way.
Bloody hell, this so much. Especially on mobile.
"Combine the butter and flour" ... wait, how much butter? scroll back up to ingredients list, make sure it's the right section oh cool, 4tbsp scroll back down "until smooth, then add the baking soda" ... f me, how much baking soda!? scroll back up... again
Sure I could try to memorize it - which is fun when a recipe has more than one distinct things (say: cake, filling, glazing and topping) - or they could just add the amounts in the instructions.
I use the ingredient list as a quick check to figure out if I have what I need, what I could substitute, or what I might have to get from a store (which may lead me to try and find an alternative recipe) - not to set everything out in separate little dishes for each section before getting started as if I was on a cooking show; if I were, I'd conveniently have the finished product ready just under the counter and I could just dig in.
Jesus Christ, just buy a recipe book and never have to worry about this shit ever again.
Recipe books arent digital. I can't link them in my weekly meal planner. I can't pull them up while I'm at the store to double check ingredients. Books can get wet, sticky, messy, etc. A tablet or a phone you can just wash off. Books take up physical space. They require larger surface on a counter...
Why would I use physical cook books? That's just even more hassle. How about we just make online recipes function properly and efficiently instead? Would you want a physical cook book where the recipes weren't indexed and just mixed in with a bunch of paragraphs?
I have some but there are tons of great recipes online still.
Typically it's done for SEO purposes.
Plus, the write-up will often give you a good idea of why you should use the recipes. I have a few online sources I trust and some decent cookbooks I often refer back to, but when my SO wants to make something, she often just googles it and picks the first pinterest or blog post recipe she sees. These are often posted by home/amateur cooks who might not fully understand the purposes of the ingredients they're using; I have had a huge failure rate with most of them.
But if the blogger says in the write-up beforehand that she was a professional chef in China for 7 years and the recipe was passed down from her grandmother, after which she spent years perfecting it... yeah, I might be a little more liable to trust the source
Should make a recipe site that only give ingredients/process. "Here's your damn recipe, now git!"
git clone
This guy gits it
I feel you, scrolling through a recipe going "just give me the ingredient list!"
So make it, make the website
The problem is more with the content. Well, although the website could enforce a no-sob-story policy on the content
mealpreplist.com
There is a browser extension that will scan the page and give you only the recipe. Can't remember the name right now though. But it is out there.
Unfortunately that's all basically for SEO. Google spiders favour that kind of content as opposed to straight forward lists so that's the stuff people produce.
At least with that you can just scroll down to the recipe, with videos you have to click around or even worse just wait because the actual meaty parts are interspersed with bullshit
This used to drive me completely insane. Now I just scroll down until I find the print icon, which will almost always open up a window that shows only the recipe. Then I save it as a PDF, and voila! No more combing through pages of drivel to find the relevant information. Itās so much less aggravating.
Genius!
Oh my god. I donāt care about Your Summer from 69. Just tell me how to make chicken fucking picatta (sp)
Or some story or anecdote surrounding said recipe.
They have to do that because of the way Google ranks pages. If you just have a list of ingredients, photos, and some instructions, that doesn't look like good content to Google.
Google likes lots wordy text in paragraphs, so we all have to make web pages that have lots of wordy text or else Google won't rank it well, and then it might as well not exist because no one will find it.
"The summer always reminds me of when I was a little girl in Wisconsin blah blah blah." God damnit Pinterest just show me the ingredients and how long to bake this shit.
User error! There are recipes, and then there are food blogs. If you just want the recipe and go to a food blog for it, your fault. If you just want ingredients and cook time and mix order, go to another website that gives you just that, there are plenty.
You won't find those recipes because they don't rank well in search. The "fluff" creates long form and "in depth" content, which Google's algorithm loves.
Even in 2018, Google still gets gamed.
Like trying to get the actual recipe off a Mom blog.
It's actually for copyright purposes IIRC? Something like you can't copyright a recipe, but you can copyright a story or creative work involving the recipe.
Right? I donāt care about how you went to central market and bought the freshest basil, carol.
Summary: sit up straight in your chair, donāt lift your head when benching.
Stretches to do:
Stretch the muscles in the front sides of your neck, use a tennis ball to massage the ones on the back of your skull
Stretch them for 30-60 seconds 2x daily
What if you donāt play tennis?
Well then you're fucked.
Try using a bowling ball instead.
What if I don't bowl?
Don't be silly.
See Dr. Fish.
You would acquire a tennis ball the same way whether you played tennis or not. But he also gave the example of a lacrosse ball which I actually believe would be better
Pro tip: you don't need to play to buy one, as long as you don't tell anyone š
Honestly a lacrosse ball is better then a tennis because it is solid rubber and won't crush so you can go as hard as you need to.
Thank you
Hey, I don't think you watched the whole video...
You got the stretching part.
Missing the strengthening part though. Chin tucks.
Ur right forgot the chin tucks
Thanks. I clicked the video, saw it was 6 minutes and decided I didn't care enough and assumed someone TL;DR'ed it already. You're today's star.
Haha I was literally on shift as a medical scribe at the time and nothing was goin on in the ED so I guess I was just doin my job
You're a good friend.
Dude! There was a lugnut video on here a while back that was maybe a min long and was just the dude telling you how to remove a stripped lugnut (iirc). It was awesome! No intro, no like or subscribe just "afternoon, lets do this shit!"
*edit:spelling
That's what I'm talking about.
Right!? I just wanna play a video and it be like "hey fuck face, toilet clogged? Grab a plunger, let's go!"
I would just start the camera panned in right on the toilet, and then the plunging action continues. Dialogue follow up and general recap with vhsrts/graphs to follow for those interested to keep google ranking up.
Are you going for authenticity, or should I tell the Props Dept to ready a Baby Ruth?
You make me want to make a youtube channel now. Whenever I learn something I write it down in simple form.
It's a running Gag with me and my buddy to just say "what's up guys, Player8 here and today we're gonna be commenting on reddit. This comment is gonna be really good and should get a ton of up votes, but first I want you guys to fucking destroy that subscribe button, ding that bell so you get notified when I drop a new video." Like just go on and improv a stereotypical YouTube intro. Shit like that is the reason the Wadsworth constant exists
Thanks for keeping the name, "Wadsworth" alive and well.
Yeah cool. You're obnoxious while trying to be ironic.
It's literally me and one friend. We both find it funny. We only do it around each other. Ease up b.
Don't stop being you, that guys a dick.
I find this video does actually get to the point fairly quickly. The talking at the beginning only explains the problem areas in more depth then jumps into how to correct it. Idk about you, but I don't think I'd follow a 30 second video of only stretching with no theory behind it
I totally agree with you. I felt like this guy said what he was going to tell us, told us, and then summarized what he just told us. Putting it that way makes it seem redundant, but in fact that's the best way to get people to understand and remember new, complex information. He does the whole like/subscribe spiel at the end, but that's when you just stop watching. I thought this video was well done.
It's how you are supposed to teach too. If it was a video on how to install a plug into a fridge, I would rather the video get to the point. But he explains why forward head posture can be bad for you, and helps people understand how it is important to fix it
Exactly I found it extremely informative knowing why it happens and what muscle groups cause it which makes the workout and stretches feel more meaningful then just do this and it'll fix it.
But where will people get transient satisfaction from bitching about their short attention spans concerning a 6 minute long video?
Basically informative speaking, in a nutshell
I just love it when you hit play on a video on Reddit mobile and the audio doesnāt work. Every. Damn. Time.
So you have to replay it and that doesnāt work.
So you maximize it and retry and maybe that works.
But by this time youāve put in way more effort than the video was worth.
So you realize that was a waste of time. This whole damn sites a waste of time. And now Iām cranky about wasting my time otherwise spent being wasted and now Iām wasting more complaining about wasting wasted time.
JFC JUST FIX IT REDDIT BEFORE I HAVE AN EXISTENTIAL CRISIS.
Play/pause/play should do it
But yeah it's really annoying
I was thinking about making tutorial videos that do just that. Immediately say what the advice is.
None of: dubstep intro to a slamming title screen of something I think sounds good and professional, but in reality is generic and forgettable
"hey y'all welcome back to another video today I'll be showing you how to ------, but before we get to that don't forgot to check out my channel and look at some of my other helpful vids. If you like what you see don't forget to leave a like, comment, and subscribe. Okay, now that we got that out of the way the topic of today's video is -----"
Yeah, review videos are usually annoying like that too. I like watching car review videos for the entertainment (since I can't afford much more than the shitbox I currently own), but the long intros of most youtubers make me usually fast-forward almost 1min into the video.
That's why I like watching the Matt Watson reviews, he starts talking about the car IMMEDIATELY, and only a few seconds or a minute into the video he mentions his site in like 5 seconds.
I'm especially annoyed when I click on a car review and the reviewer assumes that I'm a long-time watcher who wants to hear about their day and some updates about how their family is doing. Everyone wants to be a celebrity, I just want to know if my skis will fit when the back seats are down.
Doug demuro is good too, as is Everyman Driver.
For similar reasons, I like the Lon.tv channel on YouTube for reviews of tech stuff. He jumps right into it, and mentions if he personally paid for the product or if the company provided it. He even adds an index in the video description so you can skip ahead to specific parts of the review. His videos aren't short, but it's because he's doing an in depth review and not because he's rambling on.
Good rule of thumb: If you were looking for a tutorial and came across your video, would you watch it start to finish, or do you find yourself applying the Wadsworth Constant to it?
See. This is a result of how we are taught to write essays and communicate back in primary school.
There's an Introduction, a body that makes your points, and the conclusion that includes a recap. Kinda like a sandwich with all the meat in the middle and the bread at the end.
Of course when converted to video format in a direct form, the Intro gets expanded and the conclusion is left off or truncated. Resulting in about what you would expect it to be (~2/5ths give or take or ~30-40%). At least when you're looking at a standard 5 paragraph essay.
Now one of the things we learn in University writing courses is that the 5 paragraph essay is total bullshit and mostly used to illustrate to younger students the importance of haivng an intro, a solid foundation of discussion, and a conclusion. The proportions don't exactly have to be 1/3/1. Infact they are usually closer to 3/10+/2.
Howver that habit still sticks. We have the video, with an intro to what the video is about, the meat and potatos, and a quick goodbye. Its just kinda become a given.
I see what you did there.
I'M GLAD SOMEONE CAUGHT THE JOKE! ^^^^^Its ^^^^^a ^^^^^5 ^^^^^paragraph ^^^^^essay
I gotcha fam
Seems I was a little too subtle with that joke. I just couldn't help it though.
Yes. But take for instance a video in how to change my AC filter in the car.
Literally, start the video with undoing the screws. Why would even a goddamn car mechanic want to repeat the title of which I already know why I'm watching the goddamn video, then pre-tell me everything we're about to do. Fuck.
I'm not saying this is the correct way to do things, I'm just pointing out the root and saying "hey here's where these habits come from!". Also its padding for monetization for shorter videos, but considering that this remains a constant for longer ones, its gotta come from somewhere. I'd say a mix of the two.
For embedded videos maybe?
Well, sorta. Itās more like this is just how YouTube works, or how content creators think it works at least.
Many people believe YouTube incentivizes how long you can keep someone watching in their ranking algorithms. The easiest way to keep someone watching longer is with a shitty drawn-out intro, beating around the bush for the meat and potatoes section, and a short conclusion that is actually bait to go to the next video and a call to action to ālike, comment and subscribe!!!ā
Which is why I like Innuendo Studios and really anything else that is funded by Patreon. You don't have the pressure to make money off youtube via their terms. You just use their platform as another place to point people back to your patreon when they discover you.
They aren't bound by these weird rules they have to follow to maximize the payout they get from youtube. They just make good content to watch, and while most of it is free, you can get it sooner/perks/etc by supporting them at different tiers.
I think YouTube requiring a minimum number of viewing hours before they pay you for ads also plays a part. Gotta pad that viewing time.
That's a big reason for its proliferation and maybe even made the issue worse. However if you look far enough back to videos uploaded before monatization was a thing they suffer from the same issue.
However, the issue also boils down to "People don't know how to make a succinct introduction.
Check this video out. I've linked it at the wadsworth constant and it makes ZERO sense. The title doesn't tell you much, and the introduction ends at about thirty seconds.
Its a well done video essay series that does not fall into that trap. It quickly tells you a quick roadmap or foundation before diving deep. He does the same thing well here about Super Smash Bros.
People just well... overdo it for a variety of reasons.
You also have to remember to SMASH THAT SUBSCRIBE BUTTON
Not sure the point you made here because literally none of the videos I linked said anything about a like or a subscribe. Only a link to the patreon in the credits, but never actually mentioned it.
Oh no I was just commenting that funny tidbit. I never said anything about your videos. I actually didn't even watch them.
That's an interesting theory, but you started off with "See." which is a pretty clear statement of "You're wrong, but I'm right, and let me explain it." Which I haaaate. Because you've got decent points but you're not actually correct. You're just armchairing some bullshit.
Didn't mean it like that. Mybad.
I make no statements that I'm sort of communication expert here. I'm a dude that went through High School and University writing courses, and this is a theory of mine. I'm not "right" nor is anyone on the other side "wrong" this is just where I think these habits are rooted based on my (rather limited) experience.
Well that and for shorter videos you need to be of a certain length to monatize, but considering this holds true for longer videos that don't need the padding, there's gotta be some other explanation. Probably a combination of the two (since this continues to hold for videos that are older than ad money on youtube.)
I'm 32, so I grew up through the early days of the internet. I just can't stand people that speak authoritatively about things, because people are so gullible. In the last few years I've really honed in on how much everyone just spreads misinformation everywhere and what really stands out to me is when people don't start comments with "I believe..." or "I think..." or "It's my opinion that.." or "As a X, my experience has been..." but rather often they'll say it with extreme confidence and authority. And, that's fine if you're right but if you just feel like you're right, it's a huge pet peeve of mine.
And every now and then there's someone on the receiving end of my whack-a-mole game. So, I apologize for any rudeness. It just really peeves me. The internet was supposed to bring great ideas together, not mislead everyone.
That's funny. Something I was taught early on was that phrases like "I think...", "It's my opinion..." etc are superfluous and pointless.
Of course this is my opinion. That's why I'm saying it. I wouldn't say something I didn't believe would I? If there's no citations, then its an opinion. If I went through and did research, hyperlinked, and cited, its something I'm presenting authoritatively as fact.
I treat anything I read online as an opinion unless there is proven authority behind it (Like citations or flairs in something like /r/science for people that have PhDs). I guess I just figured that was a given for everyone.
I understand that you have good practices when it comes to how you treat information you read on the internet. But can you tell me that you don't believe it's a gigantic problem that there are large swaths of people on the internet that don't have such good informational practices?
If you had to pick a percentage of internet users that all truly believe they shouldn't believe everything on the internet, what number would you pick?
Disappointingly low.
So what is the solution? To dumb down your informational practices, or to teach people and help them rise up to a higher standard?
I talk like this all the time. If someone calls me out on "Stating my opinion as fact" I give them the same shpiel I gave you. When I'm trying to build something more factual, I have a habit of littering my comments with a ton of hyperlinks. I think more people should do this. Mind you it isn't hard to make a false point with false information via hyperlinks, but at the very least the reader can assess themselves the value of the source.
See. That is a pet peeve of yours and not at all what he did.
Explain yourself. At what point did he say "I believe" or "this is my theory" ?
He said it authoritatively as fact, did he not?
āWeā???? Speak for yourself homeboy. Thatās not how I was taught.
Eh, eventually by the time I was taking honors & AP English courses we were beyond this, but early on in middle school this was the case.
Plenty of students in some of the lower level courses continued to use the format, and its something simple and easy to teach.
You're right though "We" isn't the standard, its just what many in the US are taught. I used it to (poorly) illustrate a point because SO many people are taught to write or speak like that. You have an introduction with a quick roadmap of what you're going to say. Say it. Wrap it up with a bow.
Yes, the truth is I totally agree. Most people in America are pretty awful at making a succinct arguement. I went to a private high school (Iāve been very lucky in my life) that did an excellent job teaching how to form and present ideas, but itās not such an easy thing to learn for many people, even my former classmates.
I am/was nitpicking pretty hard for saying what I did, but I donāt like when people make widespread generalizations, especially about America/Americans - it seems to happen very often these days. Perhaps itās my pride poking through, but I wish instead of constantly hearing generalized criticism of America/Americans I heard more personal anecdotes and honest thoughts for improvements.
I donāt really feel like I have much of a point to make here, and I probably shouldāve just moved on in the first place.... So have a good weekend. Thanks for the reasonable response.
Haha, have a good weekend too! I appreciate you admitting that it was a nitpick (however valid!)
As an aside to leave you with, one of the things you learn in speech class is to know your audience and relate to them. I would say that a vast majority of reddit went to public school if they were American and are at the very least familiar with the 5 paragraph essay format before they had to unlearn it and learn something better.
I was speaking to them (of which I'm included because I learned it in middle school too). Sure there's exceptions, but its a reasonable generalization to make that everyone was at least taught what the format is, or at the very least understand how introductions work in essays.
That's one thing I like about academic papers: the abstract right up front that just tells you the results. Give it to me straight, and if I like what I see I'll read your paper for the details.
Yea, but if youtubers did that nobody would watch the whole video, and watch time is a metric they get paid on.
I donāt understand why this is the top comment for this video. This video is extremely mild compared to alot of the other advice videos. And I think you could make an argument the physiological āfluffā he summarizes in the beginning had a purpose.
The physiological stuff isn't fluff, but he didnt need to go into that detail in the beginning. He also didn't need to repeat the title of the video.
I need to edit my comment but I've lost interest. Too many replies. It was fun, though.
u/wadsworth constant my friend.
Holy crap I posted that exact same comment with the same wording too, calling him "my friend." I am not unique :/
Then hopefully you like this. Quick and to the point really.
Posture fix.
Holy fuck have you watched the video of the (Australian? It's been a while) guy telling you how to make Playstation games look better on a computer? I wanted to murder him
No way.
Trying to find it now
No no, I mean I would never put myself through that!
After like 5-10 minutes of him going on and on I had to turn it off
I'm gonna reply to your comment about how long and unnecessarily detailed things can be. How often have you thought, "Can you just get to the point?". We are so busy now and the latest studies suggest that our quality of life is closely associated with how well we feel we have control over our time. You're def not alone. I'll continue in a moment but for now real quick, please hit like, subscribe, and click to be notified. Blah blah blah
Waste of time typing that comment; waste of time reading it; waste of time making this one replying to yours.
There are many times when I just long for an article with some pictures. Or even better yet bullet points and pictures.
I hear you. I avoid any search results linking to a video where possible. The video will be my absolute last choice. I canāt deal with the faff.
I can skim a website and pictures quickly to assess if itās what I want or of any quality. Videos just suck up too much time to assess if theyāre good.
Are you saying this video is long and doesn't get to the point? In my opinion it's perfect. He explains the problem and its causes, presents us with solutions and explains them in full, and then summarizes it. For something as delicate as neck exercises and as specific as this I'd be thoroughly disappointed with a 2 minute video giving me barely adequate information.
I didn't say it needed to be short. I said it needed to get to the point. If you can to the fucking point, it could be three hours long, but at least nothing would be redundant.
If I click on a video titled, "How to do X"... I don't need the first minute to be talking about, "Hi guys today we are going to do X." I mean, yes I know, I saw the title before I clicked on the video, but thank you for reminding me.
Well, I don't know why you're so torn up about a few minutes. Personally I'll be watching this video several times to make sure I can do the exercises perfectly and confidently. I hardly find these 6 minutes a waste of my time. You're in a hurry I guess.
Think bigger.
It's not about the few minutes of this one video. It's the concept of fluff over an entire generation of educational content that has the potential to be much more effective.
I count 17 seconds of redundant material at the beginning. He then begins to explain the science behind these problem areas. This video is intended to educate people on the causes of bad posture and the solutions
He's reading from cue cards. People can sense that. It's mind-numbing. He's a health nut and couldn't speak from the soul here? Cmon.
The average person doesn't need or want to know the name of the sternocliedomastoid. Just show us the moves and include bonus material after class.
Who cares if he's reading from cue cards? That's a completely different issue. And you don't think "the average person" wants to know what's wrong with their posture? It's not pointless information he's presenting, he goes into detail about what muscles are tight and should be strengthened as well as what correct form looks like.
I didn't say the average person doesn't want to know what's wrong with their posture.
You're twisting words. Please stop replying
Right.. Understanding the issue means understanding what's not working properly. Clearly you're looking for a quick fix and this video is too informative for you. Whatya gonna do
No. I was pre-med and helped 20 or so people into medical school as an advisor. I know my muscles, although forgot some spelling of this sterno.
Understanding the issue does not mean knowing the name of an individual muscle, my friend. It's that unnecessary over-attention to detail in the wrong context that gets people in trouble.
I understand what you mean but how else should he present this? By just pointing to the muscle and saying something like "This is the tight muscle and the one that should be released?"
Show the stretches. Explain how we don't understand how often we look down. Then get into the details.
Don't give me this 1999 talk about how, "technology is everywhere" cmon man.
He literally did this, just in a different timeline. He explained that we look down too much, got into detail about how this affects us, then explained how to fix this. I do agree that it could be easier to have the stretches at the beginning because then you could watch it and switch it off, but I wouldn't say the part where he goes into detail is the issue here.
Edit: I will agree that he had around 5-8 sentences that were redundant and pointless material
The timeline is the entire point here. Literally the entire point.
I meant timeline in the way things were presented, not how long he took to get to the point
I know. And what I'm saying is, it doesn't matter how long. It's the order in which things are explained. So you said, "he does, just in a different order" which negates this entire convo. We're getting nowhere
My mistake, I thought you were simply saying that he was presenting too much information and that you would rather see a short video showing the stretches and nothing else. I understand now that you mean you'd rather see the point of the video first and after get into further details if the viewer deems it necessary.
Ah. No, no harm in going into detail. But yes, exactly. Now we're on the same page. Time to grab a pint
Cheers
I followed your thread with our friend from Quebec.
That's fine and I understand your point, but to me the video would have seemed low effort without and intro and in-depth explanations (such as the muscle name), and I wouldn't have watched it. That, I think, just makes this entire issue a question of personal preference.
I think the videos that fuck it up are the ones where they ask for subs and likes and promote their shit that are the real problem, and this one is instead a lot more sensible in comparison. Particularly the part where he says "can I get a like for that double chin action?". It didn't feel out of place nor unreasonable, unlike those other videos.
Again, it has nothing to do with how in-depth he went.
You can thank YouTube's ad platform for long drawn out videos that could be summarized in less that a couple minutes.
Someone should show some edit love.
You're my love
I love you too.
Weāve been ruined by 6th grade essay assignments where we make repetitive introductions and conclusions. I have never met someone successful who has the time for that. Thatās why they stick to memos and ask for just a page or two to read. Not a god damn book report.
Took me a long time to realize that nearly everything I learned in school was essentially pointless, or wrong. None of that bullshit is applied in the real world.
And by real world I mean a fast-paced, money-making environment where you get done what needs to get done and go home to the bigger picture, whatever that may be...wife and kids..hobbies...whatever. Not hum-drum 9-5 bullshit where corporate rules your life.
This is why I constantly use Youtube's keyboard shortcuts. "L" skips forward 10 seconds. "Shift" + ">" speeds up the video.
I can waste time so much more efficiently. It's saved days of my life.
Every video sounds like a college paper where they are just trying to meet the word count requirements.
And I long for the comment that acknowledges this but doesn't break down the point for the rest of us. Came to the comments immediately because when I see a six minute video for what should take 20 seconds to show/explain, I know it's going to be a load of bullshit.
But low and behold I only find that the second highest comment confirms my suspicions but doesn't help the situation at all. Essentially being as much fluff as the video itself.
Your comment and others are just mind boggling to me.. neck exercises are very delicate and if done wrong can really fuck your shit up. You want him to give you a 20s video with no information and no context? Not for me thanks. I'd rather not be a lazy shit and actually learn something. This video is exactly what I had hoped for.
I totally agree with you Cruach. If someone can't watch a 6 minute video, that actually gave a lot of good info and exercises, then they ought to just giddy up along to something else. The context was brief and to the point. Not a lot of extra fluff until the end. And I've been having neck tightness lately so I tried the exercises and the stretching felt good on my tight neck muscles. Honestly not everything in life can be condensed down to 140 characters (or I guess now it's 280 characters).
Hehe that's what I was thinking when writing this. Well actually, I was imagining an army of Trump clones mindlessly bashing away at keyboards and having their attention continually shifting to the next item after exactly the time it takes to write or read a Tweet.
Not everyone you disagree with is a Trump supporter, but I know it feels like that.
Blowing this wildly out of proportion. I'm not interested in fluff. There's a difference between laziness and time management, and arguably... the person with poor time management that watches a 6 minute video for 20 seconds of information is lazy and enjoys just sitting around watching things.
Also, I didnt want to put up with all the gibber jabber in the video to even see what the points were.
That's fair.
Explain how my comment is equal in fluff, only because I didn't create a bulleted list for you.
You acknowledge a problem you felt would be universally agreed upon and felt the need to share it, contributing absolutely nothing. You literally just held a magnet up to some filaments for no benefit at all.
I mean, I can't deny that. However, I wasn't pointing out a criticism that exists solely in this video. It was to point out a bigger annoyance.
Therefore, if I had added bulletpoints to my comment, there is a large chance that most people would read the bullet points, and not my comment. One could argue that could have the negative affect of pointing out the annoyance alone would achieve.
Depends on the school of thought.
My response would be that there is a much more immediate need for people reading the comments to have bullet points, rather than pointing out the annoyance. I'm pretty sure in 2018 we're all very well aware of the annoyance.
Primative Technology are some of the few I know that do this.
https://youtu.be/tlfahNdNPPI
Sweet salamander on a Sunday. Fml
You can blame Google for that. They encourage longer, more fluff filled content. Higher watch time means more internal promotion.
Who can I write regarding this.
I specifically started making photo/video tutorials that do exactly that and I canāt believe how easy it was to get such a huge positive response. Didnāt make me any money after a while so I stopped when I had to work full time lol
Fuck that
Keep going. It takes a long time. Even if it's a video every two weeks. Eventually it'll catch on somewhere.
Youtubes algorithm favors watchtime, so fluffing it up a bit helps their seo. Not sayin ng you should
It's YouTube's algorithm. A lot of research has found that longer videos that mention keywords from the title get ranked higher and shown to more people. So, creators are incentivized to create longer, wordier videos.
Part of the issue is that if someone watches a video for longer, YouTube thinks that's a better video. Could just be that we're waiting for the video to get to the point, but YouTube doesn't know that yet. They're just trying to keep you on their platform longer so you watch more ads.
Me personally, I couldn't get passed 5 seconds of the video, then I skipped to about half way, then the end, then I just left. Took too much time to find the actual tips.
I love how everyone is trying to name this thing their own special name. Nerd Neck, Text Neck etc.
It's a bad neck, I'll agree to that. Fuck we (Americans) are in such bad shape. We turn 30 and creek when we get out of bed. My god.
I know what you're saying but that can literally never happen with how the YouTube algorithm works. If you want to continue watching a channel then that channel has to make enough money for it to be worth their time. If they make it less than 10 minutes, with the way YouTube works, it makes it to where the video is less lucrative.
I agree that they should pad that runtime with something more interesting but if they give you the information right up front then they lose retention time, which also fucks them. They, sadly, kinda have to do it the way they do it. It sucks for the viewer to be sure but it's the only way they can make money off of their channel and who wants to do something full time without getting paid for it?
Theres a sub for informative step by step gifs that I enjoyed but canāt remember what it was.
More ad revenue for longer videos
You're just mad he made a good video.
No. He was reading off of sheets like an automaton. Info was good, graphics were good. He's just following a formula. I'm not talking about that
Itās because YouTube wonāt pay you unless your video is long enough
TLDW
Itās because weāve been taught to stretch shit out into 10 pages when a page and a half would convey exactly what is needed.
I skip the first 1-2 minutes of every video every single time.
yes, this video could have been about 30 seconds. I gave up watching, but also partially because I don't care that much anyway.
Youtube content creators know that longer videos create more advertising revenue. Suddenly every video is 10 minutes, even if the actual concept takes 30 seconds to explain.
Just use the Wadsworth Constant.
I long for one of those comments that complain about beginning fluff to then actually give the time for when the real content begins.
1:31 by the way.
I was too annoyed to wait for that to start. At the time, I thought it may be forever.
A somewhat quick thought on that.
I watched a few videos on posture recently so I can improve my own. The first video started with upper back muscles. Talking about why it happens and how to fix it. Turns out it can be caused by a lack of lower back muscles or abs so watch this video to fix that. And it was the same thing telling me itās because of this so do that. Well turns out theres another video describing what can cause those muscles to become weak and how to correct that problem.
So, from what Iāve learned, my problem starts here and I need to fix that so I can make this and that better to get the results I want.
Tl:dr- there canāt really be one 30sec video to show you how to fix posture because there a few things that can affect your posture so you need to identify, make changes, and correct one thing at time. Iām starting from the bottom up because my posture isnāt the worst but I want to correct it and it will take time so might as well do them all at once.
Cheers!
I totally agree! However, my point was more directed toward redundant information, such as repeating the title, talking about how technology has become commonplace...etc.
I agree on that too. I didnāt realize how in depth something simple could be and thereās quite a few vids on YouTube so it can be challenging to find what works for you.
If youāre interested Iāll link the channel I watched for info. Itās not the best but not bad. Vids probably about 5 mins each and you can kinda skim to what you need but it is very informative. Not loads of tech either, tells you ways you could possibly correct the issue from home.
Fuck it. Ath leanx vids on YouTube is the channel I watched. Has probably at least 3 vids on posture and fixing them.
Upper back, lower back/abs, and pelvic tilt are the ones I think I watched. I need to start with correcting my pelvic tilt so I can build key muscles like glutes, abs, and traps effectively.
Whoops got kinda carried away typing this, who knew I cared about posture so much!?
Again, cheers :)
I couldnāt agree more! This is the second time Iāve seen this video, and while Iām sure the actual exercises are worthwhile, I canāt stand all the extraneous blather. Cut to the chase, already!
This is why i no longer watch these videos. Anyone got a cliff note?
Smash that subscribe button. Like us on Twitter. Follow me IRL. I donāt care. No ones listening by this point. Give me money on a different platform. Make sure to comment below. Give us a review on Apple Podcasts. Whatever it takes to extend this to ten minutes.
Wadsworth constant
I am like that in my (tiny) channel, direct and straight to the subject matter. I always get positive comments from people appreciating that. I dunno why most channels still go with the 30-second dubstep intro with canned graphics and the 1 minute introduction to their lives.
Wadsworth's constant my friend, just skip the first 30% of every video and you'll be fine.
the wadsworth constant
Introductions........
Wadworth Constant.
Everyone's forgotten the Wadsworth constant...
The Wadsworth Constant