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That's some neuromancer coverart shit.

The punisher logo on the mask would be unnaturally perfect in its alignment.

I thought about Mona Liza Overdrive, but yes, Gibson should see this.

It’s giving Peripheral

Yeah, I'd say that qualifies hard.

Slav-jank Rigger with a HRV and a backgroud as a veteran in the EuroWars; dude is a Shadowrun character IRL.

Hell he looks like he could be one of the character portraits from the Shadowrun video games even.

LOL yeah I totally see it! Or Wasteland portraits - I was getting cyberpunk dystopian vibes but you nailed it looks like a character creation menu.

Well, he is fighting Orcs. Shadowrun becoming true I did not have on my bingo card.

Just wait until the genetically engineered 'Elves' show up, designer babies of the super-rich, created to be superior to humans in every way, and they know it.

The pointy ears were added so their signature superiority can be spotted at a glance.

I mean superiority without anyone instantly seeing it sucks.

Wonder when the disenfranchised poor can pawn off their kids to either become genetically engineered USMC orcs or oil rig troll workers. Not sure if genetically engineered dwarfs for mining can even compete with plain old child labor we use today.

I love he's leaning on a MkII Jetta

I've owned many a Jetta, and the MkII were my favs.

OP's pic made me realize there'll be drone operator computer games released in the next few years.

It wouldn't surprise me if multiple countries develop a America's Army type of recruiting/training game.

It kinda sounds fun and would translate into the real world rather well, and the scenario/campaign could fit whatever agenda they choose.

Computer sims for drone flying are already very much a thing, and there's even one (DRL Simulator) where you can compete with other pilots.

If you're good, like top 1 in the world good, then you can be invited to compete in the real Drone Racing League TV show, with salary and all.

The drl physics are pretty janky though

If you're good, like top 1 in the world good, then you can be invited to compete in the real Drone Racing League TV show, with salary and all.

also known as the United States military

You know where the cyberpunk will be?
You will be playing your game, praising its great realism and graphical detail but, unknowingly to you, you would be flying an actual drone somewhere, and killing actual people...
Subsidize war to a bunch of unknowing nerds, the ultimate Cyberpunk!

Sort of a combination of the movie WarGames and the book Ender's Game.

I have yet to read EG, some people told me it's good, some others told me to avoid the author.

The oddest thing is that his sequel series, Speaker for the Dead, heavily focuses on accepting and coexisting with alien cultures, whether they're unfamiliar human cultures or literally alien societies. Yet he himself doesn't seem to follow the very lessons he's taught.

Still, I can personally recommend the novels. They're great reads.

The author is kinda shitty as a guy, the books were...I dunno, good when you're a kid. Dunno how much they really hold up. I feel like EG is one of those that everyone might as well read, though.

The series holds up insanely well, Enders Game still holds up if you’re younger but the entire series afterwards is all much older and hits the original target audience.

I'll see if I can come about them...

People will also tell you to avoid Harry Potter because of tweets by J.K. Rowling that have nothing to do with the books.

I avoid HP simply because it's poorly written.

That's fair enough.

I mean the most recent game was spoiled to have a main plot that is basically "what if blood libel was real", the books portray slavery in a positive light and emancipation in a negative one, they literally feature a character of Asian descent named "Cho Chang"...

It goes on and on. And that's without even getting into the shallow worldbuilding and shit writing that pointedly avoids suggesting any real change

  1. At no point are there Jews sacrificing children in the books. Where the hell did you get that from?

  2. Slavery is, in fact, portrayed as bad. The house elves and their owners are simply too culturally entrenched in it to notice anymore. That nobody initially has faith in Hermione's cause is a realistic depiction of the struggle for emancipation, if anything. It's never as simple as one person realising that something is wrong and everybody around them suddenly agreeing.

  3. Cho Chang is not exactly an original name, but neither is Harry Potter if you think about it. The latter is the name of a historically significant person combined with a profession. Most European names are like that. Cho could have had any other Chinese name, and it would still be just two, maybe three one-syllable words, because Chinese names are like that. What else can you expect?

There is not liking a book, and then there is telling the whole world that they have no right to like that book.

1) goblins have been portrayed as unflattering antisemitic caricatures in hp media. The goblin uprising itself is an allusion to the Jewish pogroms, and considering the weird pointed inclusion of blood libel in the plot of legacy, it doesn't exactly seem prudent to assume innocence.

2) bruh. Hermione is literally mocked by everyone including the protagonist. The only elf shown happy with freedom is pointedly characterized as a weirdo, and thats not even getting into the yikes moment if you took the retcon of Hermione into black into consideration or the gross article that was "To SPEW is not to SPEW" or that time Harry inherited a slave....

So uh yeah, the shitty wizard books have real fucked up views.

3) difference is that Harry is a real name, while many have pointed out that Cho could only be considered so if you squint and make excuses.

If you like Harry Potter and aren't 12ish, you have bad taste, and likely worse politics. The books are an endless cavalcade of poorly thought out worldbuilding, continual deus ex machinas and rapidly discarded macguffins, and made worse by being drenched in a weird antithetical conservative desire for societal stasis, where the characters insist that institutions like slavery aren't inherently bad, just some of the people in them.

The part about the goblin uprising is interpretation rather than allusion. Looking at characters with big noses and jumping to the conclusion that "oh, clearly those are meant to represent Jews" is about on the same level as thinking that orcs represent black people.

And speaking of representation: Do you know what the house elves and their whole deal with clothing are really based on? It should give you an idea of why in-universe it's considered impossible to change their way of living. The wizards haven't enslaved them by force, but by exploiting and perverting their preexisting culture.

How well 'Cho' works as a name depends on how it would be spelled in Chinese, but there absolutely are Chinese people named that in sound.

I'm not even a fan of Harry Potter or anything that Rowling has written, especially about trans people, but I simply can't agree with anybody who keep digging themselves in deeper and deeper only to get as much dirt as possible on what- or whoever it is they disagree. You literally can't achive a moral victory by fighting dirty. When it's two factions doing the same to each other, I don't pick a side, but just tell them the truth that they are both wrong.

These characters who look kinda like racist caricatures and act like racist caricatures of Jewish people had a war that happened at the exact time people in real life were murdering jews.

Also, their horn just happens to be a Jewish horn for religious rituals.

Begging hp fans to display a single inkling of media literacy

The holocaust took place between the mid-1930's and 1945, the goblin uprising in the 1890's. There have been pogroms around that time too, but if there is a connection, it would place the wizards in the role of representing the Russian Empire of all things.
And that Jewish horn, the shofar, is literally just the hollowed-out horn of a ram. Do you have an idea how many cultures used horns like that?

And that Jewish horn, the shofar, is literally just the hollowed-out horn of a ram. Do you have an idea how many cultures used horns like that?

"Look if you ignore all the other bits of the caricature this one piece isn't nearly as damning"

The thing is: Every piece of evidence you provide is like that one piece. If none of the pieces can prove your accusation, that means you are constructing a case out of circumstantial evidence at best or fabricated evidence at worst. Either way, the whole picture you're trying to convince me of is clearly a mosaic, which people are building to be intentionally damning, and I'm not going to be fooled, pressured, or bullied into accepting that for an accurate representation. The image you have of this franchise is in itself a caricature.

I'm not sure if you're exceptionally stupid and literally not capable of understanding how stereotypesand caricatures of said stereotypes work, or pretending to be in some harebrained attempt to claim victory.

Given that you've primarily just regurgitated the same conservative script I've seen dozens of times, from the "why can't we find a middle ground between people who want to murder trans people and trans people" to pretending that caricatures and stereotypes don't exist, and noticing that they do and are actively being depicted in a work is the real racism after all, I think it's safe to say it's the latter.

I'm now bored of pretending that you're arguing in good faith, and not desperately insisting that the obvious issues inherent in the HP series and its authors active stewardship don't exist.

Here we go with the old plan B: If you can't convince your detractors, insult them and link them to Conservatives for instant discredit.
Trying to understand what they're saying? Why should you!? You're fighting for the good cause; on the right side of history, so you literally can't be wrong about anything!

It's those underhanded, dishonest, and all too often tyrannical methods employed in every even remotely political controversy these days that I'm speaking out against. I'm a Liberal not in name only; I don't get with authoritarianism! I'm not against Jews or trans people, I'm against propaganda! If you want to fight against anti-Semitism and transphobia; great! If you think you need to fight against a filthy rich author along with her entire life's work and its fandom to that end; no problem, as long as you do it truthfully! Because if you don't, that's where your cause becomes problematic!

You can't outsmart, subjugate, or at all defeat the truth itself. The truth doesn't pick sides and bend to nobody. If you don't get on its side, you are not on the right side of history. If you can't win with the truth, what victories you may achieve will be temporary and crumble away sooner rather than later. All it takes is for someone else to provide concrete evidence where you could not, and eventually, the threat of abuse will not be enough to compensate for thay anymore either.

Let's see, constant demands for people actively being targeted by people to just shut up and take it, several claims about believing in truth despite actively trying to disregard anything resembling a fact, going out of you way to defend someone you claim to not be a fan of because they hate trans people, mistaking people having the mildest pushback for actual abuse...

Have you considered that the reason people keep calling you a jackass conservative is because you are acting like one?

You still only hear what you want. At no point did I tell anyone to "shut up and take it". At no point did I disregard concrete evidence; i.e. "facts", since you didn't provide any. And at no point did I defend Rowling - she really is a transphobe, although out of a lack of understanding of the trans rights movement rather than hatred.

All I did was telling people who argue in bad faith; trying to win quick and dirty with unjust accusations and mobbing, that they're doing it wrong.

But it's almost funny that you say I sound like a Conservative for it. Because whenever I speak out against Conservatives arguing in bad faith (or if what they put their faith in is just plain nonsense), they say that I sound like an SJW for it. Go figure.

I don't pick a side, but just tell them the truth that they are both wrong.

When the two sides are "people who want to murder minorities, and minorities" this is literally telling people to shut up and die so you don't have to think about it.

But sure thing Jan, I'm sure you get told all the time that your tepid defenses of terfs out of nowhere are pure sjw stuff. /s

In your idealistic worldview, of course it's a simple good vs. evil situation of victims vs. perpetrators.

But in reality, it tends to be a people who would do anything in their power to hurt their perceived enemies vs. other people who do everything in their power to hurt their perceived enemies; radical activists vs. radical activists. They claim to stand for complete opposite ends, but utilise the exact same means: Disinformation, defamation, targeted harassment. Both claim to be the good guys and that their ends justify those means, even as they become so entrenched that the means are the entire cause. "Fuck values; we got enemies to destroy!" I've seen self-proclaimed social justice activists bullying and even threatening death to members of the very minorities that they claim to be defending, only because they refused to support them in their dirty fighting. "Fuck if they are minorities; fuck everyone who isn't with us; every victim not on our side is a justified victim!" At that point, any real differences between left and right are lost and all that remains are two shades of the same evil.

And here you are, telling me that I'm a bad person for not supporting the side that was initially good and defended the victims.
But guess what; that's what I do! I've chosen to do the only obviously good thing left to do in this conflict: Fighting against TWO camps of perpetrators and defending their victims, instead of joining one of them and unquestioningly supporting them in their victimisation!

You are trying really hard here to justify your actions defending people who literally advocate for violence and their supporters against the people who are being targeted by that first group who are using the mildest of criticisms.

This isn't idealism, it's just fact. One sides goals are to not be murdered for existing and the other side wants to be able to make sure that they are never safe so they will just silently die if not actively kill them. It's pretty clear which side you subscribe to here, despite all the empty quibbling and unimpressive gymnastics to justify how you came to join it.

Mainly that if you actually didn't care, you'd not have gone into a several post deep rant where you constantly pretend there's no evidence for the other side while making long empty platitudes about lying(oh the hypocrisy)

Relevant dril tweet

"People who literally advocate for violence" = J.K.Rowling to you.
Who actually has at no point advocated violence. Unlike you, probably, I have taken the time to read what she wrote about trans people and to understand it too, instead of taking some other activists' word about it. And what she wrote is nonsense: She believes that the trans rights movement is a concerted effort to undermine the female empowerment movement. However, at no point did she directly or indirectly call for the killing of trans people. She did literally not advocate for violence. Thus, your argument against her is one made in bad faith and refuted by me accordingly.
You could have simply accused her of being a transphobe and been right about it, but no, that would have apparently not been enough to have to trigger the desired emotional reaction: Uncompromising hatred.

"and their supporters against the people who are being targeted by that first group" = People who won't boycott anything even remotely related to J.K. Rowling's IPs, i.e. who are "supporting" her with their money, to you.
You are making that sound like they are donating money to a murderous Neo-Nazi party - while they are, in fact, literally just buying fantasy novels, movies and video games.
Now, as mentioned before, Rowling is getting paid anyway simply for owning her IPs. Publishers of licensed products pay her, regardless of how much of those products is getting bought by customers. But have you thought for even a second about all the other people who are involved in the production and distribution of those products? People whose payments are more or less directly linked to how much others buy? People for which their monthly paycheck makes a much bigger difference in their lives than Rowling's does for her? People who definitely include minorities, such as Jews and trans people? People who are, unlike Rowling, likely to feel an impact from that blind actionist boycott? No, you probably didn't think about them.

People like you absolutely do live in an idealised dream world, where you are a knight in shining, criticism-proof armour, Rowling is the evil dragon who you plan on fighting by draining the hoard of gold she sleeps on, minorities are nothing but innocent victims of said dragon and are all cheering for you to bring her down, and anybody who won't join your crusade is clearly a dragon worshipper and counted amongst the most evil people in the world.

If you really want to make a positive difference in this world, stop trying to live a heroic fantasy. Real problems require a realistic perception, first of all, to be identified. And then they require effective actions to be solved. Blind actionism solves nothing.
If your cause is to stop calls for the killing of minorities, then go find and confront those who actually call for it, instead of accusing anybody who disagrees with your methods of being one of them. There is no easy mode in activism; the literal worst people in existence don't come harmlessly walking up to you one at a time! If I was the alt-right Nazi you believe me to be, we wouldn't even have a conversation. I've tried many times. They are even less receptive to criticism and reason than you.
But I'll tell you a secret: Effective online activism is not about winning arguments. It's about stating the truth in contrast to lies and nonsense, for all to see who are not wilfully ignorant to it.

J.K. has directly supported and pushed forward people who have actively called for violence against trans people, and has taken an active role in trying to tear down their rights. You're technically correct in J.K. has very carefully tip toeing around directly calling for the death of trans people and only just loudly supported those who've called for more harsh action.

And again, it's not idealism, it's just not going out of my way to pretend someone is a good person who has done nothing wrong.

Also, I wouldn't call this a conversation. You are throwing a tantrum that me and others don't support a transphobe financially, and puking up a lot of conservative propaganda about "truth!" despite actively lying at several points.

Case in point:

If I was the alt-right Nazi

I never called you a neo-nazi, just a jackass conservative who isn't arguing in good faith. Because you are a jackass conservative who isn't arguing in good faith. These people's lives don't matter to you(and I suspect you'd actually like them to suffer a little, but I have nothing more then the ferocity of how you've argued in defense of a transphobe to support that).

Also:

Effective online activism is not about winning arguments.

Tell me that you're bawling offline about being obviously wrong without saying it.

I'll just leave it at this. I know you're wrong. You know you're wrong. You're not going to convince anyone you won this internet argument by screaming ancient internet epithets like white knight and actively telling me how I won it easily. Log off, reconsider your life choices, and grow the fuck up.

J.K. has directly supported and pushed forward people who have actively called for violence against trans people

Source?

I never called you a neo-nazi, just a jackass conservative

But that means basically the same for you, doesn't it?

But that means basically the same for you, doesn't it?

No, but it clearly is for you, which makes this weird defense of jk more hilarious.

You can keep going on about how "clearly" you see everything for as long as want, but that still won't make it true.

K, stay losing.

Well they have something to do with the books, in that by buying the books you are putting money into the pocket of someone whose politics and worldviews you might disagree with or find offensive.

As if that would make any difference for someone who makes a thousand times more money from license contracts than from direct sales.

I get the idea, but the course of action is pointless.

I can't change license contracts but i can decide not to buy.

Then don't. That's your decision. No problem as long as you won't try to guilt trip or bully people into doing the same as you.

The author is a shit person, but their books are fantastic, especially EG. Thankfully they are easily found in a used book store so you can avoid giving him money.

The movie Toys had that in it as well.

Why do it unknowingly when you could get people to pay more for that?

Guys, we found the corpo, right here above!

You're missing the point. Nobody would do this in secret. People would want to do this. Enough to pay for it.

I don't know anyone in their own mind who would be willing to pay to kill others.
There's a huge mental issue, where a person would want to kill others.

You seriously underestimate how deeply rooted racism is in some people. I think a lot of far right "patriots" would probably not mind bombing the entire middle east, as long as they could do it from the safety of their own couch. Modern video processing software could quite easily be used to hide the really atrocious stuff like dismembered bodies to circumvent the psychological hesitation, at least short therm. Add a scoring system with rewards or maybe even an "upgrade" system that allows you to fly different kinds of drones after completing certain objectives and you've turned war into a game for those who belive strangers are a threat to their existence

Mate, you have just described a huge mental issue, so I wasn't wrong at all.

I mean yea it's definitely an issue and shouldn't be the default. But some governments would be happy to exploit that and even boost it through propaganda

Governments pay you for it, though.
It's the corpos that profit from it.

Funny thing is that the game came about thanks to Pentagon trying to recruit gamers, thinking they would already be versed in small unit tactics.

But what they found was that said gamers had no concept of friendly fire!

/r/joinsquad has drones that you can rig with remotely detonated IEDs.

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Just like C&C: Generals related to the war in Iraq. Had so much fun with that game.

Game? We are a decade away from the Pentagon making it look like a game with some 13 yo blasting people in real life without knowing. Two decades from combat ai getting trained in online lobbies.

Yeah, plus the punisher mask and camo pants really seals the deal.

What an incredible sentence.

Using off the shelf parts to construct and operate a drone that drops handgrenades

I hope he has security posted 😬

Oh Be sure they do. Considering thee value they bring drone squads usually well protected, and mostly operating on a maximum range/distance particular equipment allows.

There is no face or other ID on the photo, it's probably from 2022, actually and it's from public telegram group. It's ok.

'Security posted' here refers to a number of other soldiers who would be 'posted' or appointed to provide 'security' or safety for the soldier who is flying.

Having soldiers tasked with protecting him, would mean he has 'security posted'.

Thanks for clarification

So, like, someone to take a photo of him? Or to drive the second car in the photo?

What.

Were talking dudes with guns.

Anon in photo is deep in VR. Mostly detached from reality. Needs friends in meatspace for security. Posted, in defensive locations.

Yes, exactly, kinda like someone taking a photo of him or driving the second car in the photo.

He's not alone, my guy.

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You know he lived long enough to share the photo, right?

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I didn't say it did. I'm saying he had at least enough guards. Maybe more.

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We know more than that.

The hope is that this cyberpunk warrior continues his success long enough to see an end to Putin and his war.

He drive a drone i guess

Surely he does, although you won't see them in the photo.
If they were in sight, then they would be too close to him, close enough that an orc might kill him easily.

Orc is dehumanising and whack af. Russian soldiers are still people my guy. Pretending they're solely brainwashed masses completely ignores that many of UA personnel are also fed propaganda for their service. Ukraine and Russia are much more similar than you'd want to believe in a large variety of ways.

Cough Ukraine definitely wasn't stated as one of the most corrupt countries in the world not too long ago. Nahh, they surely spend their unscrutined and lacking security checked aid money wisely to support their fatigued UA troops and most certainly do not squander it for self profit and money laundering.... Zelenskiy also isnt war profiteering and sacrificing UA personnel for political image. Ontop of all that, they most certainly haven't actively demonised and slandered journalists who expose their warcrimes. Surely none of this is true. Cough

After a year of war I am sure he does.

Getting some District 9 vibes.

The antenna placement is definitely deliberate. If the device needs two antennae, might as well make the visual design look as awesome as possible.

Those are directional patch antennas for better range, but yeah they're made to look cool as well.

They are not only placed to look as cool as possible, but there's also a lot of math involved in off-pole alignment to each other so reception can't get broken as the drone passes in certain zones relative to the pilot. That 60 degree off-axis to each other alignment is purposeful

which headset is it?

This, it has built in image stabilization and all that https://www.dji.com/dji-fpv

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303887587710

Ficking prawn

Remember, a smile is cheaper than a bullet

Fucking banger of a movie. Need some more shit like that.

Or maybe like “here I go killing again” R&M.

Nice Volkswagen Jetta there.

Agreed.

And it’s the contrast between the between the headset and the Mk2 Jetta that really sell the cyberpunk vibe

The moment where your wearable monitor costs more than your car

I love those cars

yo my FPV homies be getting DJI goggles :O

I see a Tusken Raider from Star Wars...

Just me?

i thought Krombopulos Michael

here I go killin again

this guy no joke has a bounty on his head. All the drone drops you see on troops in trenches are nothing. Imagine you are the guy that can fly drone into a building through a broken window. Down a hall way, flight of stairs into a room full of ranking officials or ammo. I mean yea.. this is happening.

This is likely not operator of drones that drop mortar shells but likely of something more like these FPV drones with artillery shells and which are basically cheap single use with not that great camera but basically cruise artillery shell you can kill tank with as you can see on second photo with last moments of one of those drones.

"Oh boy, here I go killing again!"

Ninja edit: Apparently I'm not the only one who immediately thought of this.

Deffo not :p

Man I feel it. I was born too late to be a decker in the Ukraine war.

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Ya but now I work in insurance.

Corpos got to corpo.

What I learned in a year of war is that the army will find use for any man or woman.

r/ghostrecon called and wants their tech back.

flycatcher-lookin ass

Tusken!

oh boy! here I go killing again

Early rigger.

FPV drones with artillery shells mounted to them are cool, but I had no idea how cool their helmets look.

Also this is truly the most cyberpunk stuff I have yet seen from this war and that Volkswagen Jetta GL from late 80s-early 90s (? I'm not that good at identifying year of car models) definitely adds vibes to the photo.

I thought he was just cosplaying a maelstrom member from cyberpunk 2077

Ukraine 2077, the future is now, orc

at first I thought this was a Stalenhag Peice

Zoidberg!

Love the contrast with the 90's cars behind him

Looks like a modern day Hunter from Destiny

Looks like the assassin bug from rick and morty.

They hiring net runners now?

Ironically I can totally see Arasaka or Millitech supplying Ukraine as a PR campaign to gain clout and make money.

Air drop Putin a special gift ;D

"Are you dropping bombs on orcs, son?"

What would be the advantage of flying a drone in VR as opposed to the camera being on a flat tablet?

lack of reflection on a flat screen since the screen is sealed and in front of your eyes, also it might be easier to spot certain details with a vr headset that has good resolution rather than trying to eyeball a tablet.

To add what the other person said: immersion and focus as well.

Are those fatshark pov googles?

nah, those are DJI goggles

gonna watch shit explode in 4k 👩‍🍳👌

1080p actually 🤓

yeah okay but watching a digital video stream like that will look so much better than a analogue fatshark

Playing Sparta and getting ready to plant some orcs.

Slava Ukraini to this mf in particular

Is that a 1980s honda civic?

Says Volkswagen on the left and Jetta on the right so I'm guessing not.

Not currently a soldier.

Bf 2042 Casper legendary skin vibe :

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High tech low life

Those drone videos are enough to make me lose all hope for future warfare. Just picking people off with painfully slow killing shrapnel

Do you think we've been humanely murdering each other up until now?

There's just something fucked up about it, and how easily it can be automated. Death from above via robotics is breaking the game, no?

Americans burned 100k Japanese civilians alive by using firebombs and targeting their wooden infrastructure.

Not sure that a drone is more 'fucked up'.

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Or that we get increasingly cool weapons that result in Gundams or space marines or both

Actually it'll be more automated and less personal all the time from the looks of it, opposite of the Warhammer franchise.

A rare case of a ukrainan soldier without a nazi badge

There's a symbol on his hoodie that is vaguely iron cross esque but nothing conclusive.

Yeah I actually went on a deep dive afterwards and found it.

Its pretty clear that there is a significant neo nazi contingent in Ukraine and in the army, but I don't think it's the whole country/army by any means.

Cossack cross

The cossack cross (Ukrainian: Козацький хрест, romanized: Kozatskyi khrest) is a type of cross pattée used by cossacks, the Zaporozhian Army and the Ukrainian Ground Forces. It is frequently used in Ukraine as a memorial sign to fallen soldiers and as military awards. It has also been adapted as part of the emblem of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the State Emergency Service of Ukraine, the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine and the Security Service of Ukraine, and is depicted on the flags and coat of arms of several Ukrainian regions, districts and cities, like Konotop, Zinkov and Zolotonosha. The Memorial to Ukrainians shot at Sandarmokh uses a cossack cross.

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The Armed Forces of Ukraine (Ukrainian: Збро́йні си́ли Украї́ни), most commonly known in Ukraine as ZSU (Ukrainian: ЗСУ) or anglicized as AFU, are the military forces of Ukraine. All military and security forces, including the Armed Forces, are under the command of the President of Ukraine and subject to oversight by a permanent Verkhovna Rada parliamentary commission. They trace their lineage to 1917, while the modern armed forces were formed after Ukrainian independence in 1991. Ukraine's armed forces are composed of the Ukrainian Ground Forces, the Ukrainian Air Force, the Ukrainian Navy, the Ukrainian Air Assault Forces and the Special Operations Forces.

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Shut up nazi lover

You're the one defending a fascistic government with an army of 50k nazis while I'm here opposing an invasion by an Imperialistic power of a country ruled by a Jewish leader.

You know. Ideologically consistency against imperialism.

Although I supposed that you were an unapologetic supporter of Bush and his Imperialistic wars in Irak and Afghanistan. So it tracks...

You must be noth american, maybe european? Only leftists from this places talk bullshit like this.

So, cala-te gringo chupador de nazi de merda

A ver si aprendes, mamón, que una invasión fascista de un país para imponer su fines imperialistas (en este caso, ocupar y conquistar el país mismo y erradicar su cultura y pueblo) es imperialismo. Da igual tu puta obsesión con Estados Unidos.

Pero bueno. Seguiremos con la gilipollez de que todo lo malo es culpa de Estados Unidos y que ningún otro estado puede actuar por su cuenta para imponer su imperialismo.

Y tu chupando la polla de fachas porque se encuentran en contra de alguien que no te gusta.

Porque a la mierda consistencia ideológica. Aquí lo que importa es el campismo...

Nice translate bro, but you missed my language 🤣🤣

Deixa eu explicar algo pra sua cabeça limitada alimentada com ideologia maniqueísta, você não precisar apoiar russos pra ser contra nazistas, o mundo não é um videogame onde vc escolhe um lado

Também "Zelensky é judeu" vc acha realmente que isso é um argumento? Somente alguém "de esquerda" alimentado por teorias superficiais e desconhecedor do materialismo dialético pode achar que isso significa algo.

Sugiro vc dar opiniões assim lá na Ucrânia para ver o que fazem com vc. Recomendo pesquisar o que aconteceu com o líder do PC ucraniano.

I already talk so much, so one more time, shut up nazi collaborator

Hablo castellano (my lengua nativa) porque se que lo entiendes de la misma manera de que yo entiendo el Portugués. Aunque al perecer tal vez tu puta cabeza esta tan llena de serrín que te haras el puto loco.

Deixa eu explicar algo pra sua cabeça limitada alimentada com ideologia maniqueísta, você não precisar apoiar russos pra ser contra nazistas, o mundo não é um videogame onde vc escolhe um lado

Mi posición, al contrario de la tuya, no està basada en el jodido campismo. Esta basada en ideología anti-imperialista y anti-fascista. Me opongo en contra de la invasión de Ucrania de la misma manera de que me opuse a la guerra de Iraq y Afganistàn porque es una puta invasión con fines imperialistas, de igual la ideología del país que està siendo invadido. Y, a diferencia de estos dos, Ucrania es una democracia (una democracia con problemas, pero democracia) y no un régimen autoritario.

Y. Si. Es importante que Zelensky sea judio porque el nazismo (del cual pareces saber poco) es intrínsecamente anti-semita. Un país no puede ser Nazi cuando es liderado por una persona de un pueblo que el nazismo quiere exterminar, dentro de un partido político de ideologia Liberal.

Y no. Nadie aqui esta negando que hay Nazis en Ucrania. Todos los paises tienen problemas con el fascismo (tú país incluido). Y Europa del Este tiene un especial problema con él (especialmente Rusia, donde los fachas controlan el gobierno y los nazis tienen una presencia politica abrumadora).

Pero. De la misma manera que Brasil no es un pais fascista. Ucrania no es un pais Nazi (para empezar, la presencia Nazi es menor en Ucrania que la presencia fascista en Brazil).

Y tu comentarios muestran que no tienes ni outa idea de la política Ucraniana, menos de la Europa

Pero bueno, un puto Americano hablando de lo que no tiene ni puta idea no es algo raro. Se nota que habeis sido infectados por la mierda estadounidense de sentirse especiales. Como si supieseis mas que el resto y como si el resto del puto mundo no supiera sobre politica o fascismo. Como si ser Americano te hiciese entender mejor "materialismo dialectivo" (que supongo que, para ti, es simplemente apoyar estados fascitas y genocidas porque estan en contra de Estados Unidos), la historia del fascismo, o politica Europea

Dile a un puto gallego que no sabe sobre el fascismo. Sobre los intereses imperialistas de Estados Unidos para mantener un regimen fascista. O sobre como Rusia no es el puto aliado de los anti-fascistas.

Pero bueno. Actua como si estuvieses alejado de eato te hace moralmente mejo que nadie. Como si no apoyases a Rusia aunque tus palabras dicen todo lo contrario.

Apostaria cien pavos a que llamarias fascistas a los gilipollas que hacian eso durante Iraq y Afganistan.

La pasividad apoya al fascismo. Y eso es lo que estas haciendo.

Pero bueno. Dile que eso no es cierto a un Puto español. Que la pasividad no have que el fascismo triunfe...

Sua visão não é fundamentada, você está apenas tentando se auto justificar. A guerra na Ucrânia não é comparável à do Iraque, não havia territórios de maioria americanos no Iraque, não havia dois países que tem relações históricas indissociáveis. Não haviam mísseis de potências estrangeiras cercando os países do caribe. Isso justifica as ações russa? Não, mas a comparação que você faz é esdrúxula.

Você ignora os precedentes do conflito. Já ouviu falar de rus kievana? Entende a formação do império russo? Sabe o que nacionalismo ucraniano significa? Sabe que a maioria dos símbolos nacionalistas ucranianos foram instituídos durante a segunda guerra? Entende pq é nazista defender esses símbolos?

Não. Você só repete a ideologia que te vendem sobre um falso viés de progressismo. O anticomunismo rasteiro e falta de ações práticas infelizmente destruíram a esquerda européia, você é só um triste reflexo disso.

Ademais, sou angolano, mas entendo de Brasil e vc falou merda de novo. Nazistas brasileiros são presos, mesmo o governo bolsonarista de extrema direita foi pressionado a exonerar um funcionário que exibiu simbologia nazista. Na Ucrânia grupos neonazis foram incorporados ao exército, figuras colaboracionistas foram transformadas em símbolos nacionais, toda iconografia anti soviética da segunda guerra foi recuperada. Mas você acha que Zelensky ser judeu neutraliza tudo isso. Não consegue fazer um balanço prático e entender a complexidade da situação ucraniana. Está a dois passos de começar a chamar russos de orcs.

Se não quiser ser chamado de nazista, pare de apoiar nazistas. Você não é anti imperialista, você é só uma piada.

dropping chemical weapons on Russian conscripts, lovely stuff

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Right? Don't forget C) The Russians could always just... Leave

Yeah, right, probably he's releasing generically modified mosquitoes, just as Lavrov said.

Did... Did he seriously say generically modified?

Mosquitos who have sex with other mosquitoes are making generically modified mosquitoes.

But if you think about it, one 6” square box packed with hungry mosquitos drone dropped in the middle of an enemy camp would be a great “fuck you from afar”. Or full paper wasp nest.

Oh boohoo yeah let's shed some tears for the fascist invaders targetting civilians on a daily basis, levelling cities, deporting children to enemy country, all justified with stupid fucking lies about "imperialst NATO" when the real imperialists are so obviously the russians themselves.

Are you a troll? I'm Russian, and I'm ashamed of you either way

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I actually rarely do that, it gives me sone strange feeling which I can't even describe.

But I did anyway. It's so... alien.

Fuck off, nazi.

is it possible that the Ukranians are the Nazis?

Is it possible that we are in fact the bad guys in this situation?

don't forget just because you don't like someone it doesn't make them "a nazi"

No, but you spouting nazi propaganda most likely makes you a nazi.

I know exactly the video you were talking about, and it had nothing to do with chemical weapons.

And no, it is not possible that Ukrainians, who are defending themselves against a genocidal invasion are the bad guys in this situation.

Don't want to get gassed? Then fuck off home.

I don't think russian conscripts can just fuck off home

They can refuse to fight and be put on trial instead. Executions for desertion and refusing to fight appears to be a Wagner phenomenon.

As a Ukrainian, my opinion is following. Russian conscripts have a shitload of weapons. If they really want to defend their country, they are supposed to turn their weapons to fascist government in Russia. Otherwise they are instruments of truly their government

Ideally, yes. Practically speaking they're not really given any opportunity to do so. They're equipped like shit, hardly trained, and delivered to the front without ever being close enough to anyone making serious decisions to do anything at all. Best they could probably do is shoot up some completely replaceable mid-level commander.

Plus, they're being lied to constantly and I doubt most have an idea of the real scope of things until they're neck deep in it.

About the best I think the average conscript can hope for is to try not to kill anyone and find a way to desert/surrender, which is still a bad place to be.

The ones personally fucking up civilians and such though? Yeah, put 'em up against the wall and execute them.

After I lost two friends to war, several people I know became homeless and displaced and many families separated, after all of this, I have no compassion to russian dudes in trenches, no matter their circumstances. All of the compassion I retain is directed to my loved ones, not to my enemies. What you are writing maybe is correct from outside point of view, but there are different points of view too. From where I am, they are trying to kill my country, my loved ones and me. Fuck them.

If we are really speaking about conscripts, they are smth like 20 yo. I don't know you, but I was dumb as shit at that age.

War crime is war crime, no matter what side you're on and should be punished accordingly, otherwise it just turns into one huge hypocritical shitshow. Well, that's basically what's happening right now anyway.

War crime is war crime, no matter what side you're on and should be punished accordingly, otherwise it just turns into one huge hypocritical shitshow.

It happens in every conflict. Even conflicts regarded as more morally just like the Allied actions in World War Two or the War on Terror featured war-crimes on both sides. All that matters is being the winning side, because then you get to punish your opponent for their war-crimes whilst ignoring your own.

During WW2 Allied soldiers would summarily execute SS soldiers on occasion, a flagrant war-crime. Do you think anyone who wasn't an SS soldier gave a damn?

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Nobody should be getting away with war crimes.

Except people do, constantly. Just look at the number of war-crimes committed by Western forces in Iraq and Afghanistan without consequences. Fuck, you can commit war-crimes and get a president pardon. War-crimes are only ever an issue when you lose.

alright so the guy you're responding to is wrong but what you're saying is really fucking stupid. They can't just "fuck off home", just like soldiers during the vietnam war couldn't.

Soldiers in any conflict can refuse to fight. There may or may not be consequences to doing so, but I'd prefer prison to a face-full of gas personally.

Yes, of course, but that is assuming a lot of thing. They may not know if they can surrender or will be killed on sight, how soldiers who have surrendered are treated (Given how much propaganda is used, im willing to bet than the governement tells conscripts the ukrainian military tortures POWs), etc... Keep in mind those are also a bunch of terrified kids being thrown into a meat grinder. In those kind of situations, you are in a constant life or death situation, plus all the stress that is volountarly added by the superiors, you don't think normally nor logically (its also one of the reasons of why soldiers tend to blindly follow orders, even though in my opinion it doesn't excuse it). Hence why, you'll try to stay near the closest thing that will bring you even the slightest feeling of safety, that thing being ofc, the superiors. There's also how many of them are from some isolated place in siberia, which makes it impossible to run away at just go home given how far it is,and their family often counts on them to make money and get favors from the governementIts easy saying "just surrender lol" like that, but in reality its much more difficult than it seems.

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That is limited to Wagner, not regular Russian soldiers and conscripts.

Ah, war crimes enjoyer, I see.

No chemical weapons have been used by Ukrainians, the only “source” for that claim is a Russian telegram channel that is run by Vatniks. So prove it or shit the fuck up.

Fuck Russian conscripts.

They should not be in Ukraine.

shut up, please, just shut up

I'd like to see you being a conscript for once, and we'll see if its as easy than typing that bullshit you spew online

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“Only country on the planet” hahaha

The leader of Wagner Group is literally an avowed nazi. Russian ranks are full of far-right weirdos

Found the tankie that deep throat’s Russian propaganda.

Please name these battalions and pls explain Surkov 'The Grey Cardinals' role in releasing Russian neo-Nazis or face extreme retaliation in order to send said Vatnik neonazis (many embedded for many years) as part of Active Measures. Or maybe you could explain how in 2014-15 when Azov was purged it was discovered that 2 of the original founders were FSB, or Belarusian KGB in the case of Sergei Botsman Korotkykh?

Are you suggesting that Azov is some kind of Russian operation? That wouldn’t make much sense

As per original Azov yes. And it would make perfect sense actually if you knew anything at all of Russia's history and present existential crisis. The Russians spent 15-20 years setting up the pretext for this war using well known and documented methods of Active Measures and Reflexive Control, I suggest you read up on these links because unless you understand these methods then you understand Russia very little, if at all.This information is not hard to find using OSINT. One of Azov's original founders was ex-Belarusian KGB officer and FSB asset Sergei “Botsman” Korotkikh call name "Mayluta", who commanded (and co-founded) the recon regiment of the Azov Battalion [later to become the Azov Movement and adopted by the Ukrainian military as the "cleaned up" Azov Brigade.] Several others have been outed as at the very least as FSB informants.

This does not excuse Azov pre 2015 especially as being nasty, racist, violent neonazis pieces of shit, for indeed they were but not to the level of political cohesiveness (including the infamous 'shoot Russian speakers' propaganda line). Russia took a nationalist group who were anti_Russian, bolstered their numbers, created a narrative and demonstrated to the world their 'perfect pretext'.

As I stated, it is a well known Russian tactic and part of Active Measures. Before 2014 and the Yanukovych play by the Kremlin certain waves of neo-nazi Russians (3 main tranches) were released from Russian prison specifically to bolster the very real, but disparate Ukrainian far-right/neo-nazis .Azov were originally largely just your run of the mill brain-dead neonazi/football ultras who had a very particular axe to grind with Russia but no real cohesive political aims beyond street fighting and some populist demands- until a certain person named Vladislav Surkov (real name Aslambek Dudayev) aka The Grey Cardinal became involved., 'The Grey Cardinal', an extremely clever and devious piece of shit (who became Putin's chief aide due to his clarifying and imposing 'Putinism' as it's own individual ideology) realised that after using Russian neo-Nazis to create the pretext for the 2nd Chechen War and increased authoritarianism at home, he could literally use these thugs to create a believable threat and create a pretext for a Russian existential war against a group which existed but posed no credible threat in reality.

The real truth started to filter out following a hack of Surkov's account at the Kremlin:

https://wikiless.org/wiki/Surkov_leaks?lang=en

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37857658

(Many more sources if you actually do some research instead of swallowing Russian propaganda blindly).

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/09/04/the-hardcore-russian-neo-nazi-group-that-calls-ukraine-home/

https://russianpropagandabot.blogspot.com/2022/06/operation-novorossiya-azov-russias.html?m=1

https://antifascist-europe.org/uncategorized/nazi-exodus-how-russian-nazis-ended-up-in-ukraine/

https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/07/ukraines-azov-battalion-neo-nazis-or-russian-propaganda/

Oh look an actual idiot in the wild who can't tell the difference between a Ukrainian Military Cross/Cossack cross and an actual iron cross. It's called a cross patteè and numerous countries have used it including the English, French and the Crusaders. Most Crowns incorporate them.

Knock yourself out oh history buff

Nice try, Kremlin troll.

Please don't get in the way of their groupthink.

They aren't ready to hear the truth about the people they are currently cheering for.

Maybe in about 10 years when the US goes to war against Ukrainian Nazis they will but not today.

Indoctrination is too well crafted.

Edit: downvote all you want but the US has done this over and over again. We are right now funding our next enemies in Ukraine.

I could totally be wrong but over and over again from the Vietnamese, the Mujahideen, Taliban, ISIL which turned into ISIS. We fund "moderate rebels" to fight Russia for us by proxi and then 5, 10, 15 maybe even 20 years later when the public has forgotten about it we declare them our enemies.

That's the grift of the military industry and it has happened over and over and over and over again. Wake the fuck up people.

And there are absolutely Nazis in Ukraine. This is an undeniable fact. No matter what the media is telling you now, 5 years ago they were reporting on "Ukraine's Nazi problem". Don't trust me, look it up yourself.

I'm sure all the appartment building that Russia bombs on a daily basis are full of Nazis, yes. So their actions are TOTALLY justified.

Funny how a Russian propaganda swallowing tankie is talking about "groupthink", as if western media was as controlled as the Russian media. You know, Russia, where journalists get murdered for calling out the government. Where people get imprisoned for calling a war a war. Where protesting old people and women get beaten up just for voicing their opinion. I'm sure THESE people are telling the truth.

I'm sure all the appartment building that Russia bombs on a daily basis are full of Nazis, yes. So their actions are TOTALLY justified

Not one single word of what I said suggested that this invasion was "justified". Get better talking points. Not one single word of what I said was pro anything but history.

Every single point I made is based off of verifiable historical fact. But you aren't arguing facts. You aren't here to do that at all.

What you are here to do is throw out accusations and call names in an attempt to distract from what I said. Good job, you are proving my point.

It may take 10, 15, or maybe even 20 years but based on our history the United States will go to war with Ukraine in some form. It may even be by proxy again. But this time people like this guy here will be cheering against Ukraine.

You know how I know. Because it's happened over and over and over and over again in the last 70 years. I genuinely hope I'm wrong with this one. But history is batting 1000.

Thus is way less cyberpunk and way more Battlefield 2042

I dunno, "thus" looks pretty cyberpunk to me.

You’d think this man is goofing off but I’ll have you know he’s wisely using his time running simulations in preparation for the Ukrainian counter-offensive.

You mean Nazis in 2023

Fake! Nazi symbolism is missing

Gagaw gagaw gagowww gagao gagao gagowwww

Looks like a prawn from District 9 lol

"Dmitry, get out of the booth take all your clothes off and fold yourself 12 times"

I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.

Is that a Punisher skull facemask underneath the VR headset?

Yeah. Americans love that symbol -- maybe his gear was donated by them?

Looks like some dude hanging out filming an airsoft match.

I have those antennas. They’re the fukkin best

I wanted to be the first kid on my block with a confirmed [drone] kill

He can see everything

I'm curious, does anyone recognize that symbol on his jacket? Is there a special drone division of the Ukrainian army?

The symbol on the jacket is Cossack Cross, general emblem of Ukrainian Armed Forces. There is no one special drone division. Drones are integrated top to bottom on different levels of Armed Forces.

I'd think they'd rig an antenna to transmit so they could work from within a foxhole. I know it's just a photo and he may be well into what can be called the rear, but I wouldn't exactly want to be standing like that anywhere near actual combat.

Thought this was an argonian from Skyrim at first

Bombing run.

DJI setup

One step closer...

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Well, it was made in Germany

That's a vr helmet for drone piloting

So, now we can kill people without getting out of bed. What a time to be alive.

Cyberpunk vibe!

Looks like Casper from BF2042

Yeah. That's it. We're definitely on a Cyberpunk timeline. Looks like we get more proof of that every week at this point.

Modern warfare has changed indeed.

This is pretty raw

He's in the Maelstrom Gang from 2077.