literally the IQ curve meme
literally the IQ curve meme
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100% this, though I do know quite a few PhD's that did say the "more educated" statement. However, those PhDs tend to also have huge chips on their shoulders and don't like being questioned so they went all in with the trust the science and don't question the experts statements for arrogant reasons.
The rest of us highly educated stick to the old doctrine of always question the science and relish in delight when someone questions what we say because it shows that person has a brain and wants to learn
Remember boys and girls; if you can't question it, it's not science it's propaganda
A Phd generally means being highly specialized, as in exclusive knowledge on one subject matter and a disproportionate lack of knowledge on other more common subjects. Same applies for other such credentials. That arrogance comes from a biased belief of knowing more than they actually do due to a lack of unknowns, ie living in a knowledge bubble. Then you have the opposite which adhere to the old doctrines, as you put it, that are taught that even with the knowledge they gain there is still much one would not know.
Basically the difference of understanding known knowns and unknown unknows vs not understanding the concept. Ironic that they are considered the peak of knowledge yet embody the very flaws of human egotism that holds us all back...
Anything and everything is fair game for questions, otherwise it is faith build on lies. Science, religion, politics, economy, et al.
This is the truth. Great observation.
I tried the ivermectinā¦ really didnāt need it at my age (33M) but my dad and his gf took it with success (55F and 63M) my gf (23F) was just as sick as us with the vaccine and I had a super rare reaction to the drugā¦ started hallucinating the following morning and stopped taking it after that, the hallucinations ended the next day but it was quite nerving and uncomfortable. Tbh covid at this point is a joke and if youāve had it already should not even begin to worry due to its numerous mutationsā¦ The government should not be trusted, keep your 2A š¤šŗšø
It's like an inverted bell curve. Really weird how that shakes out.
It's regular bell curve if you're measuring how much they trust the government or "the science"
It's not weird, the middle of the graph is where all the brainwashing happens. The far end is where real education happens and people can see through the bs.
It's like this
Less educated: "That's sketch af, I'm not taking that."
Semi-educated: "My sociology professor said to take it and also that it's racist not to take it so I'm taking it."
Fully educated: "This is a novel therapeutic that hasn't been adequately tested, so it would be prudent to avoid taking the risk at this time."
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First thing I thought as well. It is certainly strange
it makes perfect sense if you think about it. The least educated tend to be the most skeptical of authority for good reason. They just don't have the knowledge base to know what they should be skeptical of, however they have a over abundance of common sense to question when something doesn't make sense (ie masks to walk to table but no masks to sit at table)
Those with some college educations are taught to trust the experts and authorities and feel sense of superiority over less educated because they have a little more knowledge (the saying "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" is true) . Hence if less educated think X, then most believe Y is the answer
The highest education... we go through hell at school where it's drummed into us over and over again that nothing can ever be settled and to question everything. We also have enough knowledge to never trust any papers or studies offhand because corruption in studies and papers is incredibly high to get grants, funding, and jobs. Not to mention enough knowledge to point out things that just don't make sense (such as a mask designed to stop >1um particles can't protect against a virus <100nm, not to mention they aren't form fitting)
IQ curve meme
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Thank you
I think you will find my comment interesting so please read. Iām a liberal, without a degree, and I refuse to get the Covid shot. I had a lot of liberal friends before the vaccine came out and I very few now. I had basic questions about the vaccine that I found rational: ācan I see the clinical trial data, how does mRNA effect the body, and most importantly.. why did the US government give 68 Billion to private companies to develop a proprietary vaccine we also have to pay for per vial?ā
I was blasted. My intelligent and once highly critical thinking friends became robotic and animalistic in their response to everything. They regurgitated phrases like ātrust the scienceā. I shit you not, this SAME group and I eighteen months earlier, would laugh at anti vaxxers and also feel sorry for them. Then I was called an anti vaxxer. I lambasted these people eventually and I realized two things:
They found their significance in being a part of the now socially dominant āliberalā system. College degree, āright side of historyā, open borders, etc. You get the idea. They were robotic all along. Genuinely had a good heart and tried to come from a good place, but they were always robotic.
They arenāt actually liberals lol. They became Marxists and I didnāt see it until a wannabe pandemic forced social lines around the world.
This is why I like walkaway. No chance in hell you all agree with half the shit I think. The difference between all of you, and almost every self proclaimed liberal I know/knew, is that we together can have productive conversations and hear each other out. Usually those conversations result in an amicable place of understanding with both parties.
Also the only people that pay for a shit $8 drink at Starbucks every morning are people with $100,000 in student loan debt, for a gender studies degree, and they got those loans at a 6.9% yearly interest. Lmao. Thanks for reading.
When the pandemic hit, my most liberal "friends" rapidly went from "Everyone is fighting a battle you know nothing about, so be kind" to "STAY THE FUCK HOME! IT'S NOT HARD!" No nuance, no discussion, no empathy, no listening to any other viewpoint besides mainstream media.
I have a master's in public health, which should have made me a prime candidate for covidianism. But I guess I'm nOt lIke tHe OtHeR MaStErS DeGreE holders, because I've always been skeptical of the establishment. Any true scholar of public health should be well versed in how the health of the public has been manipulated by corporate interests since time immemorial.
The response to covid became a religion and an identity for many people, mostly those on the left.
The funny thing is I found a mix from the medical industry. A lot of my family are nurses and I know quiet a few public health people too. To a T all of them questioned how a vax got out so quick, knew it was impossible to do a long term study on it, and most importantly they all understand that staying home, not exercising, grouping people together in a limited number of stores/spaces, and not exposing their immune system to other diseases was a recipe for disaster.
Yet, my wives friends, who are doctors in CA, all went against the common medical opinion of wash your hands, exercise, and get plenty of sunlight instead somehow thought an untested vax was the only solution. They also knocked down time tested medications such as ivermectin as something dangerous... I mean really ivermectin is one of the most used and highest tested medications in the world, yet overnight it suddenly became dangerous...
This topic is of particular interest to me. Iāve concluded that it takes personal courage to openly question group think. Those who seek the safety of the herd do so because they do not feel strong enough to stand alone.
But the price of herd safety is you must give up some of your freedom in exchange. If the herd moves in one direction you must move with them whether you rationally agree or not. In human groups, members will purity test each other to see if the other person is āone of usā or an āoutsiderā.
In certain circumstances, like at work, you might consider telling people what they expect to hear when they test you. People who think for themselves are dangerous to the herd. Sometimes itās better to hide in plain sight. When they test you theyāre not interested in a rational discussion. Itās a simple binary check: are you one of us? If yes, they move along quickly. But if they think you are not one of them, they often become extremely aggressive. Using the power of the group against you. āBurn the heretic!ā Itās better to choose your battles. Such people are not owed honesty from you.
Wrongthink is incompatible with being in the herd. Wrongthink is unsafe. For some this is too uncomfortable, too naked, too vulnerable.
As with many things, their core decision is emotional, not rational. Once their emotional decision is made (safety over freedom), then layers of post-decision rationalization gets piled on top.
This is why no amount of rational evidence can dissuade them. Because fundamentally it isnāt a decision based on facts. Itās a decision based on fear.
If 10 years ago I met myself now, Iād think I had become deranged. Meanwhile, I would consider 10 year younger me to be hopelessly naĆÆve. Maybe some grace is needed in both directions.
Keep questioning. Itās a source of personal power and agency. One of the few we still have.
Well said!
You are a true American, and I agree with you on the part where you said there's no way in hell we all agree with your stances. Guess what? That's AMAZING and the reason the US is such a great place (assuming you're a United States American, of course).
We seriously need to come together and create a new "party" to fight back. We may not agree on some (or even most) things, but our system is set up for that to be a benefit to the people, not an issue -- unless it's taken over and bastardized by a single party, which I think is the case at this point. We need to become the majority that we actually represent, that being, against this globalist/Marxist/authoritarian/corporatist bullshit that's become so prevalent.
Our first goal as true Americans should be to eliminate these phony, illegitimate, globalist, bought-and-paid-for politicians from power, then we can figure the rest out later -- properly, how the political and economic system that's the best ever created in the history of the world, intended.
I love how you ended a fairly well constructed and well thought out comment with one of the dumbest hyperboles I've ever seen lol
Lol yeah. Heavy post. Satirical comment at the end for comic relief. While I would guess some people actually do exist like I described, I have seen no evidence of this, nor do I care.
I've had the opposite experience. All my friends since high school are about 80 percent left leaning and ended up with student loans, but we all make our coffee at home. We're all college educated. Some of us dropped out for high paying jobs in computer science\cnc. Some finished and worked in our field for a while. Some are engineers and lawyers. Most took the vaccine, some didn't. Weirdly a nurse didn't, but I know a nurse that is straight up antivax towards it all. The nursing program doesn't really go deep into cell biology, so ribosomal function and cell division wouldn't be covered in depth, so I guess it's not too surprising. I feel sorry for their kid. I took a shit ton of biology in college (don't use it in my field now), so I wasn't put off by an mRNA vaccine.
Clinical data would have been nice, but I'm younger and healthy, so clotting wasn't too big of a concern for me. Protein synthesis from the vaccine won't last forever. I took the initial for protection during the start, but probably won't take anymore unless it gets really prevalent again.
We all are still friends and respect each other's view point. Except the nurse who won't vaccinate their kids. They're a friend's ex-wife, so they can go fuck themselves.
but I'm younger and healthy, so clotting wasn't too big of a concern for me
so.... ah... hate to tell you, it turns out the younger you are the more likely you are to have clotting and for it to be fatal from the vax...
That's why a large number of EU countries have banned the vax below a certain age (in UK I think its now 50)
It's an issue. I think protein synthesis is a little more robust in younger people. Your eukaryotic response would likely be more pronounced. Maybe the cause? Stay hydrated and keep an eye out for any symptoms. A stint on an aspirin a day for blood thinning would not be a bad idea if you think you're at risk. Numbness in your phalanges is an early indicator. There's always risks with everything.
I won't be getting another unless I feel it's needed. Right now, I think it's probably only needed for the older and at risk people. We've likely transitioned to the endemic phase of the virus. Hope we have.
I'm younger and healthy, so clotting wasn't too big of a concern for me
You're referencing "CNN data", etc. not CDC data. Huge difference. For context, Twitter was banning accounts for sharing CDC data(protecting corporate interests and political candidates), but CNN data on the "science" was being shared by Forbes and money magazine, etc. Who do you trust? I trust the data(tough to find) and went unjabbed.
why did the US government give 68 Billion to private companies to develop a proprietary vaccine we also have to pay for per vial?ā
I work in Biotech, happy to have a productive conversation with you regarding this topic and answer any questions you may have or just talk through some of the issues you have with the covid vaccines or how they were developed/procured.
In regards to your quote, no the USA or any other government "Give" any money to the vaccine makers to develop the vaccine. Definitely not in the way you seem to be implying.
Lets use Moderna as an example, they were a small research company with little to no manufacturing capacity. They had been working on multiple other Mrna drugs for a decade that were either in or about to start phase trials, They had 100% developed the covid vaccine(literally took 48hours in january/february 2020) based on their Mrna tech long before the government gave them any money. Making billions of doses of anything is expensive. they had to build factories, find supplier for all the materials, hell, even packaging, putting a label on it and shipping it costs a fortune, in the billions, and takes a lot of time. The drug trials alone cost nearly a billion $. Doing all of this faster costs more than normal also. The USA government basically asked them, how much money do you need to build everything and get vaccines out in XX months. they gave them a number and the money was given to them and moderna got to work building, manufacturing,shipping out. Not 1$ of government money went to development of the vaccine.
Part of the agreement with getting this money was that the USA would be getting X-Million doses and they would be paying at-cost price or very very close to it.(along with a option later to order more doses later at same price, that was exercised) and also that they would get priority over supply. the EU/UK/Canada/Australia/Japan and a few other countries chipped in also to help the costs of manufacturing and distribution in those regions. countries that did not help out paid more per dose and were further down the priority list. Moderna made their money from these other countries that were paying more but used American/European money to get everything up and going faster. If moderna had to do everything on its own, it would have been conservatively 5+years before any doses were ready and would have taken years more to get enough out to meet demand. which was not acceptable to the world governments.
Now you see them raising their prices soon to like 120$/dose. which(as shitty as it is) works out to a normal markup/profit margin for drugs(in USA,without collective bargaining unlike most every other country has) that would have been the price if the governments funding from the beginning and agreement didnt happen.To put into perspective,I paid 80$ roughly for a tetanus booster not long ago ,a decades old vaccine that is much cheaper to produce than a mrna vaccine. now starting in 2023 its not the US government buying doses,All the previous price/supply agreements have been prefilled. its insurance companies/private buyers and they have very little negotiating power in USA. In Europe/Canada and every other country with a socialized healthcare system, the price is going up but not nearly as much as USA, 30-40$ last i heard but dont quote me on this. Moderna has almost completely winded down their covid vaccine production and now going back to focusing on the 25-30 other Mrna drugs they had to put on the back burner in 2020. next year their other drugs/vaccines will start rolling out as a bunch just finished phase 3 trials with great results.
This is no different than in war time when a government gives companies money to build/expand factories to build tanks/planes and whatever else. during the war they get the equipment more or less at cost or with a small set profit margin. after the war the companies can then start to sell whatever it was they are making at the normal price with a healthy profit margin. its a win win situation for both government and company.
The thing Iām unclear about is if you do have side effects, how much do they reverse over time, if at all? Since there isnāt yet an honest discussion being had over side effects, it seems no research has happened in this area.
For instance, the long fibrous (protein?) strands that some get in their veins. If it doesnāt kill you, will they get slowly reabsorbed over time, or is that flow impairment permanent?
For the very first time last week I saw this particular side effect acknowledged and listed in a research paper - annoyed I didnāt write down the correct medical terminology.
deep vein thrombosis is the condition you are talking about probably.
im sorry i dont have a lot of time right now to go into detail about your question but i can later if you want, just ask.
the short version is : these side effects are incredibly rare. it comes down to the patient having some kind of a either previously diagnosed or undiagnosed platelet/clotting disorder in combination with being infected with a virus or receiving the vaccine(that mimics a virus). i posted a link below from May 2020 that might give you a jumping point to find more info. This side effect isnt exclusive to the vaccine as a lot of people online imply. A covid infection(or other virus) can cause it also. Every human being is different, lots of people have diagnosed or undiagnosed illnesses. there are almost an unlimited numbers of variables. the immune response to a virus(or a vaccine) can put stresses on the body and have unforeseen interactions with these illnesses. allergies also play into this. you just cant test for everything. there are literally people out there that will have allergic reactions to anything you can think of short of water. there are people out there that have illnesses that a Tylenol would cause them to die. its extremely rare but those stories are the only ones that make the news or get talked about, not the other billion people who had the same medication and nothing bad happened. we dont have the medical resources to test everyone for everything before giving them a drug. the best we can do is test the drug on a certain number of random people and look for trends of side effects in those people(there were non with the 100k people between the pfizer/moderna trials). in all of those 100k not more than 1 person had any kind of side effect. if there were 100 people had the same side effect that would be a trend, we didnt see that.when you start giving it out to 100s of millions or billions then of course with all of the variables with everyones different allergies and illnesses you will see some weird stuff happening rarely. we still have barely scratched the surface of all the effects the covid virus has the body, it affects literally every system in some way.
As for treatment, If detected early there are drugs that can dissolve it quite quickly.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/autopsies-covid-19-patients-reveal-clotting-concerns
If you have any other questions just ask.
Unherd is a brilliant outlet. Starting reading them
Sexy sexy sources.
Interestingly, the source of your source was the non-peer-reviewed first version of a paper, which was later peer-reviewed and published. The published paper has different stats:
The most notable difference in methodology is that they chose to exclude the category of people with gender as "self-described", since in that category an excessively large chunk of people indicated they were over 75 and over 25% of them indicated to have a doctorate (compared to 2% in the rest of the data), leading the authors to believe they were mostly troll responses. (the study is based on a FB survey of people self-reporting everything including their education level)
the study is based on a FB survey of people self-reporting everything including their education level
So itās useless.
Talk about burying the lead.
I almost spit coffee on my monitor when I saw Masters. Almost every arrogant, smug, self-important person I know has a master's degree. Almost none work in their chosen field. One works at Starbucks.
She stayed in school until she was 34 to delay paying back student loans. Now she lives in poverty. She's had all her shots though, and thinks I'm an anti-vaxxer because I refused to get more than 3 once my wife started experiencing severe side effects.
I have a master's in public health, so you can imagine the moral grandstanding, smug, holier than thou rhetoric I've been surrounded by over the last 3 years.
Not taking the vaccine is seriously one of my proudest accomplishments.
A lot of people go to grad school to avoid having to function in the real world. In my program, there was a loud cohort of women who complained about every paper we had to write and the amount of reading we had to do. Like, you literally chose to be here???
This is exactly what Iāve witnessed too. So much āwell I donāt know what to do/canāt find a job so Iām just gonna do a masterāsā. Itās a shitty reason to go into debt imo. But maybe Iām just school/risk averse. I also donāt have parents with tens of thousands to throw away for me to delay growing up.
I stopped at two because it was what I needed to keep my job of 25 years.
Same initial two jabs here. My job of 21 years at the time is the only reason and damn every single employer for putting their employees in that position. Here's the kicker, I was a remote employee long before the pandemic and didn't report to our home office, let alone see anyone face to face but maybe twice a year!
I got stuck because the great green weeny decided I had to
I have a masters too and agree with you.
I know A LOT of people who have a bachelor's degree who are not smart. Education does not equal intelligence. Going for your masters is a very common and even paid for venture.
So it doesn't surprise me to see high school education and PhD lumped in the same hesitancy. Some of the smartest people I've ever known are high school graduates without any college.
Most masters students Iāve met are basically just afraid of real life because they know they have nothing going for them
Correct. They are thrusted into it since they've already been in school for 16+ years, what's another year or 2!?
Measuring otherās intelligence with your own methods are very subjective and rely on your own intelligence. How intelligent are you to say others are intelligent or not? One thing is for sure: reaching a PhD means you have been evaluated by experts on how good you are in such a subject and not how much you know about the world or how much experience you have in life or how high is your IQ/EQ, right?
Or teachers/public sector worker tying to game the pension system. The tend to get a Masters a few years before retiring, so they can retire as someone who spent their career in a position requiring a masters, but only having the added stress the last few.
The Terminal Academic is a common fate of people who can't handle a real job with real expectations
Intellect does not equal wisdom
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And you can get Covid many more times than twice, stupid meme.
Theyāre the first people to talk about Dunning Kruger also. Fuckin idiots.
This is easy to explain. PhDs know how the sausage is made. They ARE the researchers.
Whereas below research level, you have an increasing buy-in to orthodoxy from people who are trained to accept what they are told. Culminating in the pinnacle: Masters degrees.
But Masters holders are not trained researchers. They get told how things are. The professionals group are a mixed group of people like lawyers and medical doctors. It would be interesting to see a breakdown of that group into subgroups.
I think it greatly depends on the degree. Those social science masters degrees they are printing by the thousands statistically cover up the more savvy engineering masters degrees. Excluding computer science, engineering is its own microcosm.
Iām in college right now. Many of the research-based graduate degree earners I know (even in non-hard science fields), despite the stereotypes, tend to be cautious with science and have had their own experiences with stuff getting proven wrong later. They were very hush-hush with the vaccine.
They've seen the hotbed of nepotism and corruption in academia firsthand.
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Very few with PhDs know how vaccine sausage is made. A degree in English, archaeology, physics, or sociology doesnāt provide any benefit when deciding whether or not to get the covid vaccine.
There are BS PhDs, but those that are not BS understand that new research of all kinds are questionable at best. They know better than anyone "Trust the science" is an absolute crock. Because they live it.
They don't need to understand the intricacies of mRNA technology to draw that conclusion. It is completely universal across ALL disciplines. If you were a PhD or spoke to any about this, you'd understand that. The fact that you cannot see it is a measure of the limits of your abilities, not theirs.
They understand how the research / science sausage is made. Many of them knew it could not be trusted without extensive field data that proved the fantastical claims being made. And that is what is reflected in the poll results.
Its the NPC curve meme.
āHesitantā? Nah just because you donāt trust those in power and their obviously self interested nefarious schemes doesnāt make you hesitant, just look at Bill Gates he made billions off the back of these vaccines and now heās slowly walking back on all his claimsā¦ you were lied to and had your body used as a lab rats playgroundā¦ take the L and promise to do better in future! Itās all you can do!
You must now refer to me as Doctor.
After the booster number one, I had some very strange neurologic symptoms uncontrolled shaking. No more experimental vaccines for me. And came down with Covid a week later being quite scarily sick with breathing issues.
I need to send this to the uni homie. I told him that academics are brainwashed, this is good proof that they are but not at the highest level.
Good stuff.
Bachelor's and Masters = Complete some assignments and study for exams.
PHD = Research and defend unique thesis
Critical thinking is sorely missing from the public education system.
They must all be Trump supporters, though?
Midwits are real
So itās the masters degree, pseudo-intellectuals that are the least mRNA vaccine hesitant.
What a shocker that the unemployed women and genders study masters holders are pro-vaccine
Correct, we are the target of the pharmaceutical sales and marketing teams. We know when they come in with a new product that a year later it will be getting pulled off the shelf and there will be a class action law suit.
Interesting. I read a fictional novel once. The character was able to make subliminal thought suggestions. He said the easiest person to change their mind was a super educated person, and the hardest one was uneducated, because they were unwilling to let go of their beliefs, regardless of the evidence..
Well I guess that's why it's fiction
Maybe, but part of being intelligent/ educated is being willing to change your mind if adequate evidence can be presented
Pretty sure that is the same group who is the most forceful that everyone else should have to get theirs! Bastards!
Just remember lads, education does not necessarily mean intelligence
Midwits get masters and bachelors. Probably liberal arts majors lol
My dad has 2 masters degrees, just turned 90 and he was skeptical about the whole thing from the start . He just kept saying ādonāt believe everything you see on tv , itās mostly propaganda with a slight bit of truth mixed in ā
Some of the highly educated understand that advanced degrees are often complete BS.
Literally Dunning-Kruger.
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