Regardless of what you think of the guy - he sorta nailed this oneā¦ Maybe in the same way people think Nostradamus was a prophet. The scariest part of the inside job theory or let it happen theory is that Karl Rove wrote a paper describing exactly what unfolded - and the amount of power pull he had at the time it occurred is astonishing. His thesis was based on an event taking place on US soil to rally nationalism into supporting whatever agenda theyād want to push at the time.
do you know the name of the paper Karl Rove authored?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Iraq_Group
is probably what hes thinking of- But he's wrong because it goes further back than that with
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
Yeah Iām racking my brain but I canāt remember anymoreā¦ the second link is definitely vibing with what I do recall though. Maybe it was more of a team effort - it could have been referenced in Michael Mooreās movie but it ties in with how to escalate the pace of achieving what the project for the new American century set out to do. The best way for them to fast forward what their goals were was for a unifying event taking place on American soilā¦ then 9/11 happened and we moved the US military back into the Middle East for 20 years and Dick Cheneyās Halliburton received some crazy high % of the contracts to rebuild Iraq. If you look at everything that happened it plays out the way they wrote the playbook. Iām not sure if theyāre complicit- or willingly ignored advice and warning signsā¦ it all just seemed very sketch. I blamed GWB for a long time but now that Iām older he was clearly a pawn if anything at all. Dick Cheney and Karl Rove still scare the shit out of me.
Oh do you think he meant Zelikow / PNAC in general then? Because afaik they are moreso associated with "predicting" a 911-esque event than Karl Rove
Is that the Behold A Pale Horse author?
Yes
I listened to it yesterday! https://archive.org/details/WilliamCooper-beholdAPaleHorse
someone should link his radio series, not his normal broadcasts but the episodic series he put out, I forget the name of it. Very valuable material.
Edit. It was called mystery Babylon I'm at work or I would dig through my hardrives to find a way to share it
The hour of the time. There are a few Playlists for his mystery Babylon series, which is pretty good.
He was different for some reason I believed in him, something my deeply skeptical mind rarely does.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL11E33A6AEEB2674F
Here's one of the Playlists for you fam. I know I learned alot from these, pretty interesting stuff.
Thanks fir that . Do you know which one he predicts 911 ?
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdEerJERCMGuq6H_uxWly09UGBmBAgSyK
Cruise through this playlist, I'm sure it's in here past the 43 episodes of that other playlist I shared. Would have been around 1993 around the time of the first attempt, followed by further mentions around August of 2001.. eerie that he was murdered on NOVEMBER 5th, which is relevant in its own right.
How is 5th Nov relevant in America?
He wasn't murdered either, he was shot after shooting a cop. If they wanted him dead they would have done it years earlier.
Itās less than 2 months after 9/11. Just close enough to be inside of a ācleaning up loose endsā window of time.
I though because of the British gunpowder plot.
Remember remember the 5th of November. (Guy Fawkes night in the UK)
Guy Fawkes planned on blowing up the British parliament on that date.
It was part of the plot of the movie V for Vendetta (the Anonymous mask are Guy Fawkes masks).
I wouldn't have thought its an important date for conspiracy people in the US though.
For the same reason Friday the 13th is. I'd imagine. Just symbolic.
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I though because of the British gunpowder plot.
Remember remember the 5th of November. (Guy Fawkes night in the UK)
Guy Fawkes planned on blowing up the British parliament on that date.
It was part of the plot of the movie V for Vendetta (the Anonymous mask are Guy Fawkes masks).
I wouldn't have thought its an important date for conspiracy people in the US though.
Nice bro
Its on spotify
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Where is a good place to learn more about him ?
Read Behold A Pale Horse
Isnāt it āWhiteā horse?
The Hour Of The Time (H.O.T.T.) his radio show. Doyel Shamley worked with him.
Spotify
He was wrong on a lot of stuff and repeated stories that other people put out as 'pranks'.
You shouldn't believe everything just because it fits your worldview.
How would you explain a random set of things he predicts as being true? When there could have been a million other things he could have said instead?
No.
He didn't say, "Obama will be flying planes into the Twin Towers!" That's a prediction.
He said, "Whatever they try to pin on Bin Laden next..." And ANYBODY can do that. Anybody. Don't believe me? Mark this post:
In the coming future, the watch Russian closely for a tactical change in strategy. Don't believe that Putin was behind it no matter what they tell you.
Corona will continue to linger, and new stains will arise. Look for a change in the governments policy on how they handle it.
Something big and very unexpected is going to happen in China. There will be significant posting from the US government stating they are investigating it.
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, of interest will happen in Terra Haute, ID. Brace yourself for that.
I will nail everyone of these predictions in the future. EVERY DAMN ONE.
He also died same year too which is crazy, I get what you're saying and agree if that's all he said maybe
What did he predict that came true? Were they vague predictions like the bin laden thing or detailed?
Out of how many predictions did things come to pass?
I'm talking about this specific event not other predictions
Well I remember for years before 9/11 Bin Laden was the worlds leading terrorist, and very outspoken about planning on bombing America on its home soil.
Anyone that paid attention to geopolitics at the time could have easily guessed that if a major attack happened on American soil Bin Laden if not directly behind it would certainly have gotten the blame.
Now if Cooper had said two planes were gonna hit the towers in September that would be something else but he didn't make that claim.
Honestly I think most people on this sub weren't paying attention to world politics before 2016 (or weren't born before 9/11 or were just too young to care back then).
I've been reading about conspiracies since the 70s and honestly I'm still seeing the same ones getting repeated today. They're coming for our guns. Gonna lock us up in FEMA camps. Gonna depopulated/control us with a virus/chip.
After 40 years I'm almost 100% sure nothings gonna happen.
Someone is pushing these conspiracies for control reasons, a fearful population is easier to control. (and its not the people that got the jab that are living in fear. They all seemed to have gotten the shot and moved on. Its all the others that keep going on and on and on about people dying suddenly, population control, tracking through hidden shit in the shots, WEF control - a group most never knew existed until two years ago - They're the ones who are falling for the control techniques unfortunately yet they're also the ones who believe they've out smarted the people trying to control them.)
I know the WEF control one is real but not for nefarious reasons. Even a One World Government wouldn't be a bad thing for certain (hey if it turned out like Star Trek it'd be pretty cool).
Even the own nothing and be happy isn't bad. If you are genuinely happy whats the fear? I understand you'll say they can take away what they give but I dont think that would happen unless in extreme cases.
At some point people have to realise giving up certain things for the betterment of society will have to happen or mankind will stagnate. Things cant always stay the same.
Conservatives shouldn't be able to hold back the progress towards the future. Do we really still want to be living by 1950s ideals almost 100 years past those times? Do they want us to still be living those ideals in another 120 years?
But then maybe I'm blind because I live in an EU country were the government does actually look out for its citizens, fights big corporations on behalf of workers, ensures people people dont go hungry, gets their medical needs met, tries to house everyone, makes sure people have a healthy work/life balance, strives for a more financially equal society.
*sorry, got high and went on a rant
I can't think of a single EU country that does the things you state lol
My country and the red country would harvest your organs and sell them, those are 2 of the three super powers probably Russia would too. WEF already told us what it wants to do. Would you like to justify why you should be allowed to continue living here as they say? If their power is global what chance do we have to resist people who dance on top of us? Come on. Shooting down CT is only helping the insidious few rule and exploit us
A polite shill, playing good cop. Neat!
Fuck I wish someone would pay me. Dont suppose you'd know how one gets a job as a shill?
Shill intern. You should have just gotten an apprenticeship after high school. You get paid to learn and you don't have all that college debt to pay off.
No college fees in my country. Well there are a couple of grand now but not 30 years ago when I went.
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What about the things he predicted that didnt happen?
So wise and knowledgeable of you....
Wait people think HiV is a weapon? Lol and he thinks thereās a cure but they arenāt giving it out? Another anti emetic asshole. Who also thought JFK was killed because he was about the reveal to the world the aliens.. throwing darts at a wall
How is thinking HIV is a weapon anti-semetic at all?
From looking at his wiki.
Dood ur brain is a marble lol
Itās also interesting that he said in 1991 that the CIA has a plan to cause schoolyard shooting to make people want to give up the second amendment
There hasn't really been any new conspiracies. I read shit like that back in the 70s. Most came out of the 60s counter culture.
Still waiting for guns to be taken disclosure to happen, the rounding up of people to be put in FEMA camps.
Hopefully you'll die before that happens
^ Not being an asshole. I'm not really keen on being alive for that one either.
Lol I probably will thanks to the vaccine
I've been reading about these things for 40 years. They're not gonna happen, well apart from disclosure but even that wont be for a while yet and wont be like people are hoping ( I think the study groups being set up recently will 'discover' proof of UAPs without the government admitting they already knew).
Man , ( lol) that Omni magazine in 70s was a trip. Especially in those days no internet... lots of magazines, newspapers, books, and late night am radio. All kinds of wild stories. Think it was Bob Guccioni, the Penthouse dude. I was am radio freak in 70s and 80s before rushbo brought that blatant right-wing hackery on the air.. west coast had KGO , Denver late night was intelligent and funny and hip. So one night i am listening to Larry King who had a badass 3 hour radio show every night like 8-11 or 7-10 something like that. Very respectable, very informative, entertaining. He really had great guests and was laid back. About 1986 or 87 he had some guy on there former something or other. Said on national radio that younger bush was flying cocaine outta colombia or panama or somewhere down there. And the only reason he didnt get busted was the DEA or whoever it was that had him lock stock and barrel were after a much bigger fish, some chapo-at-the-time-guy, and didnt want to tip him off, something to that effect. It was stunning , how legit the guy was and that it was on frikkin National radio.
Disclosure as in aliens? The gov full blown wants you to believe in that shit. Itās been on mainstream news. Not to mention they got full fledged sucker Tom delonge blink 182 man in on it.
Obama is going need to declare martial law and take your guns first.
Well, that obviously hasnāt worked, has it?
Oh yeah Hilary wanted alll the guns taken away just like they did in Aus Oz
Their plan hasn't worked out so well, though...
I have the book and I will tell you something! I had the original copy and then it got republished! With some context missing. I got the first one online pdf version and a print copy at Barnes and nobles. I will tell you this. I compared both of them and theres one portion missing on the print copy. The portion missing is from a book called The Wise Men of Zion! They took that out. That portion is based on that book and it is about Jewish World Domination. The whole section is gone! So I had to order a copy of that individual book. I see why they took it out , they consider it antisemitism. Thoughts?
There's counter culture, and then there's dangerous counter culture. The majority of people, especially today, will see "Jewish World Domination" and will only see antisemitism and nothing else. Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever live in a world where that portion of the book is seen as anything other than antisemitism. People need to think for themselves and use critical thinking to decide for themselves if it's antisemitic, not the publisher.
Just like all the books about the hollocaust that were republished after germany lost the war. They always do that so "oh there are no proofs".
Another piece of proof to all those who believe a bunch of Arab In caves made norad stand down and pulled off 911 . The official story is impossible in so many ways . Add William Cooper to the list.
The bin Laden family, in large part, is a wealthy international family originating from Saudi Arabia. They are far from "cave dwellers". Neither are they uniform in their political beliefs. Osama's Swiss niece is actually militantly pro-American (and either an atheist or a Christian, can't remember which).
Yes but they literally would be hiding out in caves frequently. My point is they are unable to make norad stand down. And bin laden and al quada were funded by the cia in the 80s to counter Russia in Afghanistan. If you are unfamiliar with the norad timeline I suggest you look into it . To think a plane could fly around for 55 minutes after the first tower was hit and fly into the pentagon is just impossible. And the 911 commission testimony of Norman mckenna is evidence of norad allowing this plane to go un checked .
Wish i could find real 1st edition book of his pale horse.
Recent released probably been altered and all crazy shit removed to fit ānarrativeā
Rip WC
I have a pdf ive downloaded like a decade ago. Probably not a first edition but nowhere is it stated what edition it is. Any way to check which edition it is? Mine looks very bootlegged.
Rest in Peace, Dear Man. You are truly one of my heroes.
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I have watched enough to now believe 911 was an inside job. May he RIP
How did he die?
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He wasnāt unarmed. He was armed and shot an agent in the head. They were serving a warrant on him and he wouldnāt be taken alive.
The important thing no one is commenting on is he was live on air predicting 911 before it happened. This Proves 911 is a inside job .
You'll find he made many predictions that never came to pass. Throw enough shit and some of it will stick.
I hardly doubt the document he claimed to see in 1966 had 9/11 outlined.
When you know Americas history of false flags and pay attention to geopolitics it becomes easier to predict when something might happen (the recent Nord Stream pipeline for example. People predicted that before it happened. Sure Biden fucked up and literally stated America was gonna destroy it months before they did it).
What was the name of that relevant congressional report released months before 9/11?
Yea I was mistaken
Wow, so ridiculous. Bush era government was out of control.
You think itās gotten any better?
Yea frustrating. Where's the justice .
He shot a cop in the head before being gunned down
He was shot at first. Like Rambo
Sure bro, sure.
He literally predicted 911 months before on live air . Let that sink in as to what it implies
Did he say there was gonna be two planes flown into the towers on that date or did he state Bin Laden would cause an attack sometime in the future?
I remember Bin Laden had been making threats for years about attacking America on its home soil.
It seems many people here weren't paying attention back then (or probably weren't even born).
What specifically did he literally predict in terms of the attack?
A huge attack on us soil blaming bin laden. So literally 911 . Are you also aware of all the stock put options in American airlines, Duestch bank , merril lynch , plus many other financial companies in the days before 911 . Look into what a put option is if you like . It bets on the stock of these companies going down , which is what happened after 911 . Insider trading with rumors of something major happening on Sept 11 . There are more examples of people having prior knowledge of something big happening on 911 .
Iāll look into what you mention.
However, besides who would have been suspected, it doesnāt answer the question about anything specific about the attack. Did he or didnāt he make specific predictions about that specific attack?
If anything, he made a prediction on who would be suspected, but that doesnāt mean he made predictions about the actual attack.
Saying that a person who was head of an organization that attacked embassies and declared holy war on the USA was going to be held in suspicion for an upcoming terrorist-looking attack doesnāt seem unlikely. Itās what would usually fly as far as suspicion goes.
Please note the distinction I am making. When someone says āliterallyā, it should literally mean āliterallyā, not āfiguratively.ā
Or else, what the fuck do words really mean?
Had Bin Laden ever attempted an attack on US soil prior?
This is the correct answer.
He was unarmed
Amazing that he shot a police officer in the head when he was unarmed.
Yea I was mistaken. The important thing to take away is him predicting 911 on live air before it happened .
Shoot out with police. He was big in the militia movement.
He died by himself in a shootout with plain clothes officers on his property related to an arrest for tax evasion. The militia wasnāt involved. IIRC he was missing a leg.
The severity of the difference of the two world views, one of Cooper and ilk and the other of reasonable, educated US citizens who watch the news, vote and think they know what's going on, is difficult to conceptualize.
I used to think Cooper was a paranoid mental case. Now I believe that I was simply naive and a product of my "free" country's relentless programs of indoctrination; unaware that our government had been infiltrated by utter psychopaths.
Was it the 9/11 prediction, in particular, that got him ambushed & shot dead on his porch?
Tax evasion was the offical reason given by the authority's
If they planned it all and were keeping tabs on Bill (honestly, they were, but that was because of his tax evasion), why would you kill Bill after 9/11? You'd kill him before!
Has anyone been able to compare the original version of his book, Behold a Pale Horse, to today's version? Are there any differences?
He also said these things: Cooper linked the Illuminati with his beliefs that extraterrestrials were secretly involved with the United States government, but later retracted these claims. He accused President Dwight D. Eisenhower of negotiating a treaty with extraterrestrials in 1954, which supposedly allowed the aliens to abduct humans in exchange for technological assistance.[19] Cooper then claimed that Eisenhower had established an inner circle of Illuminati to manage relations with the aliens and keep their presence a secret from the general public. Cooper believed that aliens "manipulated and/or ruled the human race through various secret societies, religions, magic, witchcraft, and the occult", and that even the Illuminati were unknowingly being manipulated by them.
So what did he get wrong?
Oh. Ignore this. This is for people that will see this bullshit and then consider his other theory as bullshit by association. You are already too far gone.
I mean an ex Israeli general, Haim Eshed, said that aliens live on earth conducting experiments and that Trump knows about them. So maybe he wasn't too far off on this as well.
I trust the schizophrenic on the corner more than I'd trust an ex-general of any country. Their job is warfare, whether it be physical or psychological.
Psychological warfare? That's what you think it was? Maybe. Maybe.
He had a book to sell. It was probably just his retirement plan to come up with something like thia.
Maybe. Maybe. You neva know
It was also during a time when the news media had weekly cycles of former Trump admin officials "coming out" to advertise their new "tell-all book" and be invited to a ton of channels to talk about it and get "teasers". They even had his niece doing that. Pretty reliable way to cash out on your 15 minutes of fame with some passive royalties income under lifetime copyright. The general may have gotten excited by the sight of that bonanza and wanted a piece of the action.
But if he didn't have anything new to tell without compromising national security, a viable strategy may have been to invent something absurd enough that a civil court would deem it too unbelievable to be held liable to libel laws.
I'd agree with you if he were selling a book on alien conspiracy theories, and then he comes out with the big secret that the government works or aligns with a interstellar federal alien agency yadayada. If he were selling a book like that and "confirmed" it on a television newscast then he'd probably have an all time bestseller.
Its possible that he just knows more about the subject than you and I, and so he says something truthful in order to get his 15 minutes of fame and promote his books at the same time. What you said and what he said could both be true at the same time.
Well, for a start the Illuminati was made up by two counter culture authors.
Which authors? ive never heard that but am aware the illuminati was made up. Doesnt mean wealthy elites are not controlling things behind the scene.
Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson; authors of the Illuminatus! Trilogy, and where pretty much all the Illuminati conspiracy theories are born: https://shepherd.com/book/the-illuminatus-trilogy
It was published in 1975..
The Illuminati has roots going back to at least the late 1700's though. Not as in an "evil overlord illuminati" but as in an actual group named The Illuminati.
Thanks for the info. What do you think of the NWO/WEF crowd?
If trueā¦. Damn
RIP
I'm reading Behold A pale horse right now and it is phenomenal
He conveniently died on November 5th, 2001. Right after 9/11
He was conveniently shot by law enforcement, you mean.
Wait does that make it more suspicious or less suspicious
Well, I'm not sure anything is "suspicious" about it.
An outspoken critic of an (alleged) illegal, immoral government and their nefarious actions was gunned down ostensibly because he balked at paying taxes to criminals...
and they shot him with bullets until dead. It was plainly an execution.
Same page then, lol
He also tried to sue the US government for hiding proof of alien life, so take that as you will.
I didnāt know this. Did he ever talk about this?
A lot, during his early days on Usenet.
Iām sure he knew exactly how they did it. I think it was some kind of energy field.
There's a lady Judy brown who proved what happened. She actually coined the term "dustification". Lots of evidence supports that it was some sort of WMD (weapons of mass destruction).
There's a guy I know named Steve Timmons who hangs out in the local 7/11 parking lot and HE proved what happened. It was actually CERN in 2016 creating a black hole which went back in time to underneath the towers in 2001. He coined the term "blackholification".
Difference between Steve and Judy, is Judy is a well respected (lesser known than most) scientist that went infront of an audience and proved how it happened. Her lecture is available on YouTube.
Steve is on youtube as well, it's just he's always running from his gangstalkers.
Edit: Gotta love people who can't take a joke and block you after responding you so you can't respond, lmfao. Learn to be less serious.
Search the word maturity, and spend the next month embodying that definition. Farewell.
You dont remember the planes?
When and where did he say this ? And why blame osama bin Laden?
If you watch the directors commentary on the DVD of the movie "Swordfish", the director specifically mentioned OBL as someone who could pull something like in the movie. Also the X-files spin off, "The Lone Gunmen" had a plane crashing into the towers a few months before it happened.
nearly crashing into the towers in the lone gunmen, of course the heroes stopped it from happening and saved the day!
In June 2001 Bill said that bin Laden would do "something" and he pointed to a May 1998 ABC interview that John Miller did with bin Laden. His logic went that if the CIA wanted to track down bin Laden they could have at any point they wanted to. He then went on to say that he could have tracked bin Laden down (why didn't he?), and because bin Laden was so easy to track down, then the Bush administration must have been planning a "Reichstag fire" via bin Laden. There are 4 problems with this:
1.) bin Laden had already planned stuff before. Like I'm not making this up. I use to watch 60 Minutes as a kid and I wrote stuff down in my notebook and in like 1998 I "predicted" that bin Laden would be used as a false flag to take guns away. Me, a 15-year-old, predicted 9/11 three years before Bill or Alex Jones (who ripped Bill off in his 9/11 "prediction"). All I needed for this "prediction" was knowing that there was a guy named bin Laden who was planning terrorist attacks because he wanted a jihad and I was already primed by right-wing conspiracy nuts to think that everything was a false flag in the post-Waco world. Of the three of us, none of us claimed that the World Trade Center would be hit a 2nd time.
2.) The press didn't track down bin Laden. bin Laden wanted to speak to the press. It's easy to find someone when they want to be found.
3.) Bill made "Reichstag fire" claims all the time, about everything.
4.) The firearms were never confiscated. This was the crux of his entire argument.
Thanks bro
Bin Laden had been saying he was gonna bomb America for years before 9/11.
It wouldn't be too hard to say there'll be an attack and bin laden will be blamed.
Now if Cooper had said planes will fly into the towers on 9/11 that would be something else.
These people don't remember this because they're all teens - late 20's. Those of us who are older remember Bin Laden being in the news years before 9/11.
Predicting that a terrorist is going to be blamed for terrorism? He must have been psychic or something
But he didn't predict anything specific.
And OBL was, you know, already the head of an international terrorist organization that had attacked America?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_al-Qaeda_attacks
So his entirely non-specific prediction was that a guy who'd already attacked America would - while threatening to attack America again - attack America again?
I'm not impressed. This is a fail.
https://vault.fbi.gov/Majestic%2012/Majestic%2012%20Part%201%20of%201/view
https://www.crystalinks.com/mj12.html
William Cooper was Amazing!
Recently discovered Phil Schneider!
Phil Schneider is a fraud. I remember watching a speech by him on YouTube about his alleged underground alien thing, and the last part of it he started going on about how lesbians are evil or something.I don't disagree with him about that, it just seemed weird and unrelated. Showed how much of a headcase he was.
I don't believe his underground alien shit either.
What the fuck did I just read? Are you certain he said "lesbians are evil" "or something"?
Even if he did say that I wouldn't label him a fraud, just extremely ignorant in that department. (If he really did say that seriously)
Outspoken, strong minded, intelligent people with so much to give do not die under mysterious conditions suddenly in astonishing numbers. Outspoken truthers who are on target do. Just look at how many people who spoke out and had sensitive material on the Clintons that have died all of a sudden. Dozens upon dozens.
BTW, maybe he was talking about Hilary Clinton being an evil lesbian.
It was on a youtube video I watched over 10 years ago, so I can't really remember exactly what he said, but it was something along the lines of "aliens don't trust us because we have gays and lesbians, and they're evil". I tried looking for the video, but I can't find it. I know he said it though, because I was like "What?!?! Where the fuck did that come from all of a sudden???!" when I heard it.
I've always wanted to listen to his videos. I just haven't gotten to them yet. A lot of people I would consider credible give him a ton of credit for speaking out though.
how lesbians are evil or something.I don't disagree with him about that,
I do enjoy counter opinions....but lololol Really? ohh shit im dying
Is there a link to the specific episode he makes these statements?
Is there a link to the audio with proof of date?
"I have spent enough time on the inside of, well, in the White House and you know, campaigns and Iāve known enough people who do these things, think this way, to know that the public version of the news or whatever event, is never really what happened. And these people I think are willing to take that even further, so I donāt assume that I know the truth of what went on that day, and yeah, just looking around and looking for who had the motive, who had the opportunity, who had the equipment, who had the will. Yeah, these people were looting the treasury and they knew the economy was going into a spiral downward."--Hunter S. Thompson interview about 9/11, August 29 2002
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